Some Interesting Factoids About Offensive Pass Interference
(Ed. note: Great stuff. Bumped to the front page.)
These come courtesy of The Football Database. I've helpfully sorted the relevant portions by links.
Link 1 - Penalties by team for 2011, sorted by number of OPI's called.
Link 2 - Penalties by player for 2011.
I merely present these to give people an idea of how bizarrely the game was called.
Up to now, there have been 192 games played this NFL season. In those games, 2493 penalties have been called - an average of 13 penalties a game. Of those 2493, 54 were for OPI, which averages out to .28 OPI penalties called a game, which is roughly one every four games.
No team has more than four OPI's for the season. (An average of one per three games.) Three teams have four - Carolina, Kansas City, and Detroit. 15 of the 32 NFL teams have a total of one or none.
The 54 OPI's for the season break down like this: 43 players have one OPI on the season. Four players have two OPI on the season. One player has three. (Three guesses as to the identity of that person, first two don't count.) No offensive player has more than three. No defensive player has more than five (Patrick Peterson).
I'd also point out here that this was not a normal officiating crew, since early in the contest the Umpire had to leave the game with a leg injury and did not return.
Now, I cannot speak for you, and I do not believe in conspiracies, but I'm at a loss to explain how in the world a short crew managed to call a penalty on one offensive player more than any other crews have managed to call the same penalty in the other 191 games this season on any other offensive player in the NFL. I'm also at a loss to figure out how Nate Burleson can go from being good enough at it that he has not been called for OPI in any of the other 11 games the Lions have played this year to committing more of those fouls in one game than any other offensive player in the NFL has had called on them in the entire year.
Anyways, yell at me below. Or whatever.
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The way I see it
The Lions have started reverting back to their old ways and refs have relied on that to call their games. If a Lions player “looked” like he committed a penalty, then by god he did. If both the defender and the receiver go for the ball and it “looked” like it could’ve gone either way, then the Lions must’ve just committed another penalty. That’s the way it goes for a perennial failure like the Detroit Lions.
The more you win, the better the calls are for your team and less flags are thrown. It’s kinda like when rich celebrities get free stuff even though they have millions of dollars anyways, people want to help you more when you are successful. It’s the same in football, the refs want to help the winning teams even though they might not need the help.
The season isn’t over and we could still end up 10-6 with the #6 seed. We got 4 games to go so let’s try to focus on that and not the stupid refs like we do every year.
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by DLions4Eva on Dec 5, 2011 12:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm separating this from the knucklehead penalties.
The reality is, this is something that is really really really rarely called in the NFL.
Something more than half of the offensive plays called in the NFL are pass plays. On said pass plays, at least two and sometimes up to five receivers go out on routes. Figure the average game has about 50 to 60 pass plays – so far this year, that means (quick math) a little over TEN THOUSAND pass plays so far this year, or somewhere between TWENTY AND FIFTY THOUSAND routes run, most of which involved a defender. (Caps for emphasis, not for yelling.)
And Offensive Pass Interference got called prior to this game a grand total of 51 times in those 10k pass plays.
My thing is, it’s vanishingly rare. When guys like Schwartz tell you they’ve never seen it, they’re not lying. I would have to check with Elias to confirm, but I’m willing to believe that the number of games where three OPI’s have been called in total in a game is a vanishingly small percentage, and if three have been called on a single player in one game, I would be shocked if it happened more than a literal handful of times in all those decades. That’s what separates this from the ‘Dirty Lions’ stuff – it’s so bizarre it defies all logic.
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by NobodySpecial on Dec 5, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Good analysis ... about 250,000 routes run vs. 54 OPI calls ... and Nate gets tagged with 3 in one game
By the way, Nate was called for 5.5% of the OPI calls in one game (3 of 54). Yeah … “vanishingly rare” is a good description !!!!
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Good job digging up the info. It is very interesting (and pisses me off) haha.
But on the other hand, sometimes when a player commits a penalty, a ref will keep watching to see if the player will do it again.
Stupid refs.
by yamahawarrior89 on Dec 5, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I loved how collingsworth's explanation of the penalty kept changing
once he talked up how he needed to extend his arms to get the call. On the next one there was no arm extension so he said, look he touched his back and the DB reacted to it.
There is watching for a guy to pull a move again and there is seeing it when it is not there. We have enough trouble with making mistakes without the refs doing this kind of stuff.
I heard it was the same group that called the
Big Ten Championship game.
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by CLF on Dec 5, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nice writeup man
We all know they were getting Jobbed in this game but its nice to see some stats to actually back it up.
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To be fair
we were doing a pretty good job of jobbing ourselves. These kinds of freakishly bad calls (offsides before the half?) were just icing on our crapcake.
Although after reading this I feel like Grew didn’t go far enough with that ref….
pretty frustrating...
that kind of stuff happens on almost every play. Yeah we made some other stupid penalties but come on. If a defender is allowed to place his hands on the receiver while “playing the ball” I feel like the same should apply to the offense. I just can’t get over the one penalty, can’t remember if it was a OPI or not, but when the head ref was laughing as he was about to make the call. For some reason that one just stands out.
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Good research and nice write up.
I hope the ref who called the penalties [nice to know if it was the same guy every time] will review the tapes to see if he indeed made the right call. I saw one PI out of the three. Although even that one was pretty much what you see on every pass play. I wish the refs would use that same standard for the guys who are mugging covering Calvin.
FYI, Titus Young WR [third string, part time WR] leads all WRs in penalties with seven. I have a really tough time with that number of penalties. Just for comparison, Calvin Johnson WR [first string and all the time WR] has zero penalties this year. None. Nada.
I think the Receivers coach and Linehan and Schwartz need to have a discussion with Mr. Young. I like Titus and think he can be an outstanding WR in the NFL, but he needs to get his act together.
My 2011 Lions season prediction: 12 wins and 4 losses. I made this prediction the week after the New England preseason game. Well, so much for that prediction. 10 and 6 anyone?
Here's some more info on the PI calls on Nate.
Thanks to Kevin Seifert of ESPN [LINK: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/35464/free-head-exam-detroit-lions-29 ]
2.The Lions’ mistakes Sunday night weren’t just of aggression. They were of technique as well. Reasonable people can debate the merits of the first offensive pass interference penalty against receiver Nate Burleson. But after a call like that is made, Burleson needed to adjust to ensure that he didn’t give officials a chance to make it again. Instead, Burleson was whistled two more times and negated a total of 67 passing yards. In records dating back to the start of the 2011, ESPN Stats & Information couldn’t find a prior instance of a player receiving three offensive pass interference penalties in one game.
My highlight.
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I get his point about adjusting
since they were calling it that way, but the fact is he shouldn’t have had to adjust because what they were calling wasn’t PI and I’m sure it’s hard to adjust from something you have always done – and isn’t illegal. I mean it wasn’t like he was going out of his way to do anything.
if your arms are already extended and the defending player hits them that is not a push off for the same reason it isn’t a push off if your arms are bent and against the defender.
Um, LOL
Records all the way back to the beginning of this season, eh? Really thorough research Mr. Seifert.
Yeah, I laughed when I read that at first....
but I believe the year is wrong. I’m sure it is supposed to be from some earlier year [1990? 1980? 2000?] until the beginning of 2011.
At least I hope so.
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The stupid penalty’s were just plain BAD…but the other ones are just plain rediclious!!!
The Saints looked like they were talking to the NFL about penalty’s.
Silver lining…9 and 7 might get us in, we can play with anyone, we still control our destiny, players can learn from this, the NFL probably owes us one, Fairley is legit, we were missing a bunch of guys and still did good (minus penaltys)….and Stafford is only 23, and will be a top 5 QB in the next year.
The NFL refs are as undisciplined as the lions….fact
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Cmon
the reason Detroit got hosed was the ref bet New Orleans -9 and the under. Good way to secure an easy parlay.
Forget the OPI calls...
forget all 3 of them. Good teams who championships are unaffected by yellow flags. Those flags do not determine the outcome of the game for them. We need to win regardless of being “cheated” by the ref’s.
As a side note: A Ref went out with an ankle injury and they had to call the game short-handed…WTF with that?
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Good team who win championships are unaffected by yellow flags
because they have less called on them per season. The Packers have 61 penalties called against them, tied for 2nd least in the league. The Steelers have 69, the Pats have 70, Jets have 71 etc…It’s pretty obvious there.
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When you're behind in a game, you play harder
When you play harder, you get more penalties called.
Lions have been playing behind in almost every game this season…see the pattern?
It can turn into a vicious circle, what with now all the ref crews having typecast the Lions as a dirty team, so now they call even more penalties which blows up even more drives and keeps opposing drives alive, etc….
Completely empathize with the players, I just hope they can keep themselves from losing their shit next time around…
now that I think of it
Don’t crews usually have a reserve ref. I’ve seen refs get hurt before and a backup comes in. Why wouldn’t they have that extra ref for a primetime game.
They have less called against them because....
thats what the NFL wants.
They want popular teams like GB/NO with pretty boy super stars to continue to be good and teams like Detroit to continue to be unpopular.
Watching the last two Detroit Lions games has made that painfully obvious.
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Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
the NFL was pumping up SUH
while I agree the NFL “suits” might have favorites
but the Lions were(maybe are) poised to be one of them
but the extra drama – besides teh refs penalties – have taken some of that momentum and goodwill
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Dec 5, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
If it was a rookie like Titus with three OPIs, I might understand a little bit
But it was Burleson, a veteran who apparently has either played a dirty WR his entire career or had the worst game of his career. Special thanks to NBC for not showing good replays of his penalties and instead just destroying the guy.
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that game and broadcast was a mockery of the NFL....
the media has gotten to a point where its insulting to our intelligence….
I’m starting to think that the NFL is more similar to the BCS system than it is any sports league.
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Off-topic
WTF was with the replay of the FG attempt before halftime? It looked like the dude jumped offsides early, but the only replay they showed was field view behind the Lions. Was the blocker offsides or not?
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offsides by a mile...had to have a DVR to get a good look at it though.
NFL.com isn’t even showing the replay of it…joke
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What I did NOT understand is why Coach Schwartz didn't throw a challenge flag on that non-call
I saw him yelling on the sideline, couldn’t he challenge that lack of a non-call? Or am I off base here? I’m not an NFL rules expert.
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Some penalties are challengable.
For instance… a ball is tipped, but Pass Interference is called…
that is challengable.
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by CLF on Dec 6, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone explain to me
what happened when SLH sacked and stripped Brees? Sammie held up the ball and the ref just ripped it out of Sammies hands. I was pretty sure I saw the loose ball as they were going to the ground.
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I missed that.
I wish someone would go play by play through this game and do a call/ no call breakdown of all the penalties.
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I just watched it again...
he stripped it from him as they fell, but I think the entire “forward progress/play over/its Drew Brees on National TV” thing had the ref missing that call. Ya know Collingsworth missed it.
Lets move on from these last two silly games to a beat down of the Vikings and get to 8-5!!!
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Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
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It's absurd a ref can miss a sack fumble, and it was under 2:00 minutes so it had to be a booth review
they missed it too. I think SL Hill should have called a timeout.
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I as wondering that too
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I was wondering
If anybody else saw that, too, but since no one had mentioned it I thought I was just seeing things. After watching the replays, it’s too difficult to see exactly what happened.
Anybody else
felt uncomfortable with the closeup live shots of Stafford calling plays in the huddle? I mean theirs a reason the Offensive Coordinator covers his mouth when calling in plays. I saw it at least twice.
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by Lionz Fowlweatherfan on Dec 5, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions
I didn't like that either.
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Packers????
So what you’re telling me is that the Packers haven’t been flagged at all for that back shoulder fade?? They (Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Jones..Etc) put their sticky hands all over the backs of defenders to get space!!
remember the facemask penalty on Nate?
nelson had a TD that was Exactly the same…but no call…if people don’t think the refs are at least a little bias they are crazy.
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I do not remember the Nate call all that clearly
but I know the rule and it is basically.
You can push the head but you can’t grab the face mask.
Not sure if that makes a difference.
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Looked to me like Nate got his finger stuck in that guys facemask
and couldn’t get it out.
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if that was the case
than you can see how the penalty was called. A stuck finger can look a whole hell of a lot like a grab in real time.
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I can see that.
But I made the point earlier that Nate got hit TWICE out of bounds on that play, once by a LB’er and then thrown down by whoever the CB was. I don’t see how that was offsetting.
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I forgot about that comment from you
No clue. We are the Lions and deserve a little punishment?
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yeah, sorry.
It’s close, but the last replay you can see that Nelson clearly never grabbed the mask. He’s pushing on the helmet the whole time, but never grabs. Burleson had his fingers all twisted up inside the grid of his defender’s mask.
as long as the Lions make the blatant mistake
they won’t get the calls on the ticky tack stuff
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Dec 5, 2011 8:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I enjoyed this write up
In defense of the officating (LOL I kno) Burleson definitely pushed off on the first and last. I thought the second was BS. Those calls call for BS, though, because the flag comes out following the reception, not necessarily the OPI.
And whats even more funny, most often when OPI occurs and Collinsworth is calling a game he habitually says, “Now that is just a veteran wideout move.”
You know its not just us.
Obviously the NFL would rather have the saints win. We had so calls go against us. Obviously the NFL would rather have the packers win. Did you see that Jennings touchdown? Never had possession. No CJ rule on that one. Also a Giants reciever made a catch in the endzone they ruled an incompletion. Looked good to me he had a knee down anyway.
Obviously the NFL would rather have the Bears win then the chiefs. Did you see that hold in the endzone on the bears? 4 yards deep but they said it happened at the 1 yard line. Not even close and the Ref was right there.
I guess what gets me is I can let a few penalties go here or there. Nobody is perfect and the people who say the Lions bring it on themselves are right. To a point. But when I see huge questionable calls in three consecutive games all of which it could seriously affect the outcome… I just can’t help but wonder.
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Exactly Eddie
It’s not just a few calls. These highly “questionable” (or atrocious) calls are happening way too often at KEY moments in several games.
It doesn’t happen just to the Lions though, which I think makes it worse. It illustrates a league wide problem with the officiating. Too often, the zebras are determining the outcome of the game.
Wow
Eye opening posts in here. The SLH sack/strip, I didn’t see that but I will take everyone’s word for it here. The offsides, all of it makes me sick to my stomach. The Jennings TD vs the CJ didnt complete the process catch. Phantom PI calls on the defensive side of the ball. etc etc Yes Brees and Rodgers on national tv but I can’t see how there is not more outcry over this? Is it because we dont want to look like little whiny losers who should shut their mouth? That is always the reply from trolls on different boards when we bring these issues up. Something needs to happen to these NFL officials to rip the bias they hold against some teams from them so they can call a fair, clean game. Its sick that the officials can affect the outcome of games like this. Its sick that the commentators just keep their mouth shut. Its sick that if you call out the officials you get fined for it, like hey you cant talk bad about the officials, they need to be protected because they are dudes who are upset because they didnt have the talent to play pro ball. Yes, I know we should just shut up and focus on this weeks game. Its against the viking so we will see how this plays out and how the penalties are called.
Jennings TD is a different situation than the CJ TD
Megatron was going to the ground, Jennings was not. It’s a stupid distinction that the NFL rulebook makes (for whatever reason). I still think Megatron did complete the process, and just set the ball on the ground (but that’s a different discussion). As soon as Jennings had possession and two feet down, it’s a TD; it doesn’t matter if the DB knocked the ball out after that.
13.
Keep in mind
The refs watch tape of the players they will be reffing as well. Maybe one of the side guys or back guys saw something with Burleson and how he plays off defenders. Is there a way to check if it was the same ref? As long as Nate has been in the league, youd think hed adjust. I dont know, the refs have been average at best this year. For any game ive watched, not just Lions games.

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