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Lions Repeatedly Shoot Selves In Foot, Lose To Saints, 31-17

Sunday night's game between the Lions and Saints followed a script similar to Thanksgiving for Detroit. The Lions committed a number of drive-killing penalties in both games, and they once again had a problem keeping their composure. Overall the Lions played quite well considering they are dealing with a number of injuries and didn't have Ndamukong Suh, but the end result was a 31-17 loss to New Orleans and another embarrassing showing on national TV.

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Sunday night's game got off to a somewhat promising start. After Mark Ingram rumbled for 13 yards on the first play of the game, the Lions defense put the clamps down and kept New Orleans from moving the chains again on that drive. Unfortunately, the Lions were unable to do anything on offense after Titus Young ran for 11 yards on their first offensive play of the game. They had to punt, and New Orleans took over at their own 38-yard line.

The ensuing possession for the Saints was quite odd. The Saints ran 5:08 off the clock and gained only 37 yards on 13 plays. Despite struggling to move the ball in big chunks of yardage, New Orleans kept picking up first downs on third down and eventually got into field goal range. John Kasay connected on a 39-yard kick after the drive finally stalled, giving them an early 3-0 lead.

Just like their first drive of the game, the Lions were able to move the chains once with an 11-yard gain by Young. They had to punt after thanks in part to a holding penalty on Kevin Smith. It negated a 14-yard pass to Tony Scheffler on third down and put the Lions in a third-and-long situation. They were able to put the Saints on their own three-yard line after a good punt, but it was the first of several missed chances because of penalties.

Unlike the Saints last drive where they moved the ball but not in big chunks, their next one was the complete opposite. New Orleans picked up 38 yards on a Drew Brees pass to Robert Meachem on the first play. The drive looked like it was about to stall, but a pass interference penalty on Eric Wright kept it alive after an incompletion on third down. The Saints then got 18 yards on a pass to Marques Colston and 14 on the ground by Ingram, who ran into the end zone for a touchdown.

The Lions were able to move the chains on third-and-17 before ultimately having to punt the ball away, and once again the Saints wasted little time in going right down the field. After Pierre Thomas picked up eight yards on first down, Brees found Meachem wide open. Meachem proceeded to run circles around Wright, and he went 67 yards for another Saints touchdown. Suddenly it was 17-0 New Orleans and this game was in danger of becoming a blowout.

17-point deficits haven't seemed to bother the Lions in the past, and the joke about the Lions having New Orleans right where they wanted them seemed like the reality of the situation on the next drive. Detroit put together an outstanding possession and moved down the field with ease. They didn't face a single third down and went 80 yards in 10 plays. The last play of the drive was a two-yard touchdown run by Smith, and just like that the Lions were back in this game.

The Saints quickly answered the Lions' touchdown with another one of their own. It took New Orleans five plays to get to midfield from the 20-yard line and then only three plays to get from midfield to the end zone. Brees found Darren Sproles for 22 yards and 12 yards and then Lance Moore for 20 and a touchdown, and now the lead was back to 17 points.

Despite having only 22 seconds on the clock before halftime, the Lions had a shot at cutting into the lead. Somehow Young got behind the Saints defense and went 49 yards on a big pass. This put the Lions in position to kick a field goal, but it was blocked by New Orleans' Patrick Robinson. The Lions wanted a flag for offside, but the referees ruled that Robinson simply got a great jump, which allowed him to dive in front of Jason Hanson to get a hand on the ball. The score remained 24-7 going into halftime.

The Lions continued their recent trend of being able to move the ball with ease on the opening drive of the second half. They once again quickly moved down the field and didn't even face a third down until they were inside the red zone. It wasn't going to be a tough third down since Maurice Morris got within a yard of the first down, but then Young decided to push a Saints player in the head right in front of a referee. The moronic action drew a flag and made it third-and-16 instead of third-and-one. The Lions were unable to move the chains and had to settle for a 31-yard Hanson field goal.

After getting a stop, the Lions offense picked up where it left off before the penalty and again torched New Orleans' defense. Stafford was slinging it to a variety of targets and capped off the drive with a nine-yard touchdown pass to Morris. The Lions overcame a weak pass interference call on Nate Burleson that negated a 24-yard pass (it was one of three offensive pass interference calls on Burleson) and also got some help in the form of an illegal contact penalty on third-and-14 that kept the drive alive.

Now trailing by only a touchdown, the Lions had all of the momentum on their side, especially after the defense forced a three-and-out. Stefan Logan committed a moronic unsportsmanlike conduct penalty by throwing the ball at a Saints player after the punt, but the Lions shook that off and the momentum continued building when Stafford hit Burleson for a 47-yard pass on the first play of the ensuing drive. Had Burleson kept his balance, he could have scored and tied the game, but he wasn't able to and went down at the New Orleans 35-yard line. Unfortunately, the Lions were unable to move the ball after that, and they actually went back two yards. This set up a 55-yard field goal attempt, and Hanson missed it wide left.

After dodging a bullet, the Saints offense capitalized on the good field position and quickly extended their lead back to 14 points. Brees went to Jimmy Graham on four of the seven plays on this drive and the Lions couldn't stop him. Eventually it was Sproles who scored on a six-yard pass from Brees to give the Saints a 31-17 advantage.

With nearly 10 minutes left in this game, the Lions were far from dead. In fact, the Lions seemed to be well on their way to again making this a one score game. They were moving the ball with ease until Burleson was again flagged for a questionable offensive pass interference penalty. The call backed Detroit up 10 yards, and after Morris dropped a pass on a screen that could have gone for a touchdown, the Lions had fourth-and-13 and elected to punt.

A quick three-and-out by the Saints kept the Lions alive, but penalties prevented any real chance they had of making a comeback. A 42-yard pass to Burleson on the opening play of the next drive was negated because of another bogus pass interference call. The Lions got those 10 yards back with a pass to Morris, but Brandon Pettigrew decided to get into it with a Saints player and was flagged for 15 yards after he put his hands on a referee. He merely swiped the refs hand away when he was being restrained, but it was another moronic penalty that cost the Lions. Stafford was sacked on third-and-25, but thankfully Cameron Jordan decided to hit him late, which gave the Lions a free first down. They were unable to move the chains by themselves, though, and Stafford was picked off on fourth down, effectively ending the game.

The most frustrating part about this game is that despite missing three defensive starters and having injury issues with Kevin Smith and Nick Fairley (who was outstanding) during the game, the Lions could have won. The offense was tremendous, especially at quarterback. Stafford went 31-of-44 and had 408 yards, one touchdown and one interception. Did the defense play great? Not exactly, but to me the defense made enough stops against one of the most explosive offenses in football to put the Lions in position to win.

The reason the Lions didn't win is penalties. The Lions just kept shooting themselves in the foot with penalties, many of which could have been avoided. The referees certainly gave them no help considering there were several weak or completely bogus calls that cost them big plays (seriously, when has one receiver ever been flagged three times for offensive pass interference?), but to have three different guys take stupid unsportsmanlike conduct penalties is inexcusable. Young was benched after his penalty cost the Lions a shot at a touchdown, but I don't know if that's enough to send a message to the rest of the team.

Despite all of the crap that went on with Ndamukong Suh last week, it's obvious that many players on this team haven't received the message to stop it with the stupid penalties. There's not much the Lions can do when Burleson is flagged three times for something that happens every pass play, but taking unsportsmanlike conduct penalties can be avoided. It's simple, really: don't push an opposing player's head in front of a ref, don't throw a ball at an opposing player after a play, don't put your hands on a ref and don't stomp opposing players. It's not rocket science, and Jim Schwartz has got to get things under control. Not only are these penalties costing the Lions yards, but they are feeding into the notion that this is an undisciplined team. To me this is why referees seem so willing to call penalties on every little thing the Lions do wrong. At this point it's clear the Lions have a discipline problem, and it seems referees aren't even remotely hesitant to throw a flag on close calls that other teams aren't penalized for.

Despite all of the negatives that came out of last night's game, the good news is the Lions are still in the playoff hunt. In fact, despite falling to 7-5, Sunday went quite well for them since the Giants, Cowboys, Bears and Falcons all lost. With three winnable games coming up (vs. Vikings, at Raiders and vs. Chargers), the Lions have a chance to lock down a playoff spot. Will they succeed in making the playoffs? It remains to be seen. They certainly have the talent to win and make the postseason, but they have to stop beating themselves with dumb penalties in order to even think about making a playoff run.

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i'm perfectly fine with the way the lions played last night

imagine that you graduated college, found immediate success in your career and were rewarded with millions of dollars. how would you act? would you be the same person? and then some bad things start happening, you start finding less success, the road gets tougher. would you handle it well?

now when things can good again – will the lions be better prepared? have to think they will.

this is part of the process from going from 0-16 to super bowl contender. lots of players have done stupid stuff early in their career. lots of teams have been stupid.

5-0 was difficult for this team to handle. they thought they were superstars. thought they had made it. 2-5 is reality setting in, and it sucks compared to being 5-0. so they’re acting dumb.

the lions are young, stupid, and immensely talented. stay the course. next season will be great.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

and this is loads better than what we've historically been given as Lions' fans.

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by Skylar on Dec 5, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It's so goddamn frustrating

Seeing a good team play badly is so much harder to watch then a shit Lions team getting a beatdown. The tease of greatness is unbearable.

by Meth Chef Jeff on Dec 5, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

I would agree with that statement.

But the future is much brighter with a good team playing badly versus a shit team, so….. keep the faith.

by DrewsLions on Dec 5, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

what really pisses me off about this team is not the talent or the effort i can clearly

that we are doing well in those categories. Its their severe lack of discipline on the penalties. we can blame the refs all we want and in some cases we may be right but there is no way you can say its the refs fault that we stomp punch or throw the ball at people. this bad boy rebel bullshit is costing us games. against teams like the panthers or the vikings wont hurt and we can still win but were playing tougher teams like the saints or bears or packers we will get our ass torched doing this. though i still like him i blame schwartz for not implanting the idea in the guys heads that committing stupid moronic plays like that are selfish and is only hurting the team. Although we are better than we were 3-4 years ago we still have a longggg way to go if we want to make the playoffs

by Alex Baker on Dec 5, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

WTF are you smoking?
we still have a longggg way to go if we want to make the playoffs

The Lions are one win away from the playoffs.

Who are you people?

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by CLF on Dec 5, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly what should be said.

Now- enforce it. A mere sentiment isn’t gonna do much to eliminate stupid plays/penalties.

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by Skylar on Dec 5, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Those calls on Burleson were complete and utter bullshit

That shit happens every game on every play. Even when Stafford was picked off to end the game, Collinsworth (who I find absolutely deplorable) mentioned what great effort it was by the DB fighting through holds and shoving and handchecks with the lions wide receiver. Why was it ok on that play but not ok when Burleson caught the ball? Its garbage. The NFL is horseshit. I don’t even mind that the lions lost, its that the officiating is so wildly inconsistent that it sucks. Why don’t referees get held accountable?

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by Eric @ PRBU on Dec 5, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Collinsworth is usually UNBEARABLE

He’s a moron. And yes, the unfairness of the calls in many games this year is getting more and more ridiculous.

It’s about time that the refs are actually held accountable. I think we should start a petition to get rid of Goodell if he doesn’t change things immediately.

by akadwriter on Dec 5, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree that the PIs were lame calls

i liken it to watching an NBA game – where there are fouls and travels on every play – but sometimes they call it one way and like a rolling stone…

saints were better than the lions though, so it happens. lions will be good in the long run.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

it just goes to the respect thing

once the Lions get some distance between them and the “loser” tag they’ll get the respect from the commentators AND the refs. in a prime time game against one of the “it” teams like NO, they aren’t going to get the benefit of the doubt ever.

by nuftjedi on Dec 5, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Burleson had a very bad day. 3 OPIs and a facemask.

Even if the OPIs were questionable, a player has to learn from that and figure out that you can’t extend the arms on the defender after the 1st penalty. It’s like a pitcher or batter figuring out the umpire’s strike zone.

I’m having some doubts about Burleson now. He’s gotten a bunch of penalties lately, he’s fumbled too much and dropped too many catches. Thinking maybe we need to get Davis and/or Stovall more involved on routes.

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by drgarnett on Dec 5, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The ref's were horrible but...

nobody covered Jimmy Graham and he continued to make big plays in key spots.

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1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.

by Jack H on Dec 5, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

What do you expect?

Wright had to switch sides and they lost the one guy who could have covered Graham when Houston went down. I called it a loss as soon as I saw Houston was out, the secondary falls apart quickly without him. Proven last night.

by LionsD on Dec 5, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair

no one has covered Jimmy Graham all season.

by freywagg on Dec 5, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

We seemed to have done a half decent job compared to some of the other games

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh brutal to read the recap

So many chances.

But Stafford had the damn glow last night for sure. You give this guy a consistent running game and your talking about one nasty man.

He took some brutal hits last night too. Props to him for shaking that off and continuing to move the ball

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by Spider1 on Dec 5, 2011 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

Lions Repeatedly Shoot Selves In Foot

Plaxico Burress would be proud

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Carefull...

That could draw a flag.

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by Lionz Fowlweatherfan on Dec 5, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF6wecC7ZBc

That’s why.

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice

Fuck Jim Harbaugh.

by Skylar on Dec 5, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

...like a play flag. On a field.

Obviously he was kidding with you.

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by Skylar on Dec 5, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Im refering to the TD celebration from the Bills/Jets game,

& beeing a Lions fan allmost garantees it.

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Don't sweat the petty stuff & don't pet the sweaty stuff.

by Lionz Fowlweatherfan on Dec 5, 2011 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

Ohhh

Damn. This is what happens when you don’t watch Jets shit.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

lmao

Welcome to hell, I know far more about the Jets than I care too

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Just....just goddamnitall

Anyone seen the newest update on what is sure to become an issue now (the Suh car accident)?

http://www.kgw.com/news/Passengers-say-Suh-lied-about-Portland-crash-135062198.html

by Kpaff3587 on Dec 5, 2011 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

Fuck

Seriously. I named my site after him, but he is simply out of control right now.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, this is groundbreaking!
"At no point did anyone there tell an officer that he [Suh] was driving out of control," said Sgt. Pete Simpson with the Portland Police Bureau. "The crash doesn’t meet our threshold for investigation which is vulnerable road user, DUI, or serious trauma injury."

Someone stop this monster

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by Skylar on Dec 5, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Could you possibly be more of a blind fan.

You have multiple people saying Suh was driving recklessly and refuting his report to the police and you just brush it off?

You realize that filing a false report with the police is a crime right?

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

easily.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Could you possibly be more of a blind fan.

Classy! Thanks.

He’s one of the richest guys on the roster. #2 pick. So do you have a guy covering up some bruises and a busted lip, or do you have multiple people considering their litigious opportunites?

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by Skylar on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

and when those litigations come to court

do you think him lying about what really happened is going to help him in court?

Nope, flat out stupid move on his part.

BTW, there are other people that witnessed the accident and have confirmed the woman’s story. He was driving like an asshole.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Driving like an asshole gets you a ticket in this country, and little else.

I doubt anything else is going to happen to him, no matter how much you’d like it to.

Suh gets paid to play football. Again, don’t give a shit what he does out there as long as he doesn’t Donte Stallworth anybody/abuse his female passengers.

Guess we’ll figure out what he did when more facts come out. I’m far less willing to judge him on that so prematurely than others, it seems.

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by Skylar on Dec 6, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Driving like an asshole gets you a ticket in this country, and little else.

100% agreed, unless it results in people getting hurt. Which it looks like happened here.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

The insurance wouldn’t pay until the police report was amended. Are we really questioning why they are coming out after the fact and making these claims? It’s all about the money man.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

such a stupid comment

Did you see that woman’s face? Yeah, she should have to pay for Suh’s reckless driving just because he is a NFL player?

Just stupid.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Its sickening that he tried to cover that up. If he was gonna do that, at least pay the woman’s hospital bills.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If he was gonna do that, at least pay the woman’s hospital bills.

When did athletes become so entitled that paying fair cash damages to cover up utter stupidity was no longer necessary?

Wait, I think I answered my own question.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but I also think it is just stupid people. Are you really too dumb to pay for a few medical bills and keep the lady quiet? Are you really so stupid that you think the lady will stay quiet just because of who you are?

Give me a break.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Initial question should be

Are you really stupid enough to drive recklessly after you got into two car crashes with four passengers AND have been suspended by the league for reckless behavior?

Ndamukong Suh right now equals Dumbukong Suh

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll always cheer him

but that doesn’t mean i’m not gonna condone the bullshit he’s doing right now

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

i’d just wait for all of the facts to pass judgment, i guess.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I was not cheering him before hand

So nothing is going to change.

I cheer for the Lions team.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

you're so moral!

what do you do to stop real slavery btw? put a link in your sbn profile?

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I have made donations of money.

Not as much as i would like but more than most people.

Honestly, I wish I could do more.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

you seem like an internet nobody

that charades around as some high integrity philanthropist. what you really are is someone that goes around tearing others down based on rather small and isolated incidents.

a guy like suh is doing way more good than you with his broader base and likely larger wealth. more bad too, perhaps, but you give no credit for the good because you’re an arrogant asshole.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

relax

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by detpistons3 on Dec 5, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You know nothing about me

Just like I know nothing about you. Except, you will stoop to personal attacks when someone’s opinion is different than yours and they will actually stand by that opinion.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's all he does...

Is your head as big as your Mama's ass?

by delusional on Dec 6, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

no kidding

At least he is consistent! ha!

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid?

Really? She left the scene of the accident. How long would it have taken the cops to get there? 5 min. Then she could have gotten an ambulance ride and all the insurance money she wanted. There were 50 people there looking at the accident and the only other person to corroborate her story is? The other woman looking for money. And how do we explain all this? Not the obvious, not the fact that insurance companies have millions of these types of cases, not even the history of people filing false claims against celebrities to get paid…..nope, we say it’s a conspiracy. Who is being stupid now?

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You are

You saw the pictures of her face. She was a victim of Suh’s reckless driving or incompetence. Either way, she deserves to have her medical bills covered.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

what's suh's side of the story?

did i miss that part? del proclaims he lied, so must be true.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Good question

Where is Mr. Suh? He’s pretty camera happy when ESPN wants an interview. Why is it taking him this long to respond to these allegations?

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a legal issue

he won’t say it outside of court

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a legal issue because this woman is going to sue

do you want to guess at what suh’s lawyer is going to say tomorrow in a press release? i bet i could copy and paste it from somewhere.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I’m not a lawyer, but from what I know there has’t been a lawsuit filed yet, therefore it’s not a legal matter…yet.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

There are witnesses that confirm

the women’s story. He was driving like an asshole and crashed. The woman deserves to have her medical bills paid for by him.

This is not a situation where he is being falsely sued.

He tried to cover up the fact that he was being reckless and got into an accident. He should have just paid her medical bill.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You are

Prove she was in the car. Prove she got the injuries in the accident. Prove her husband didn’t punch her in the face and say “We are behind in the mortgage and we need to get paid” You can’t because she left the scene.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Of the 50 people

How many were in the car? Only five, including Suh. How many were ACTUALLY there from beginning to end? We don’t know that. How many were close enough to see the injuries? Again, we don’t know. Assuming that the police would be there in 5 min is simply ridiculous. Clearly, you need to be in more car accidents.

You’re “facts” about woman looking for money and false insurer claim would have some ground had it not been for the images of this woman. Suh didn’t call her an ambulance, so she went to the hospital with her husband who was nearby. When she got her bills, she realized that the police report needed to show what actually happened. This woman isn’t looking for money. She is simply looking for what she deserves. If I were in her place, I would lawyer up and suh his ass.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank You Latif

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by delusional on Dec 5, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Suh didn't have to call for an ambulance

If she stays and doesn’t leave the police on the scene evaluate the situation and call one for her.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

Re-read that comment and you will realize how insensitive you’re coming across. The woman had a head injury and took enough for a hit to get a black eye. Clearly, her first reaction would be to wait around so the police could sort it out…

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

she'll get what she deserves, more than likely

if suh was being a jackass, she’ll sue and win.
if she’s lying, it will come out eventually.

we shall see.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

But I’m not throwing him under the bus for this. The truth will come out and then we can talk about how much of an idiot he is for covering it up or being a bad driver.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Really...

But her first reaction was to get out of the car, walk a couple of blcoks with all those injuries, and wait for her husband to come pick her up? Jesus man, stop arguing for argument sakes. I’m not insensitive but I live a real world where people do this and I recognize that is reported is not the truth. Does the Duke Lacrosse story ring a bell?

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm...Yeah

Option A: Stay and wait for the police, who then call for an ambulance and then go to the hospital
Option B: Walk a couple of blocks, meet up with someone you know and can help and go to help

I take option B

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i like how you can't figure out his point at all

his option c. you have no clue. are you trying to understand?

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

his option c

and this may or may not have happened – i have no idea – perhaps it’s real f’n crazy

his option c is:

get in an accident with a 40 million dollar football player
walk away from accident unhurt
realize “hey he makes 40 million”
fake injury
sue

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

Option C would be on the table had she not been an actual passenger with actual injuries which have been shown to the media. Then its not a faking injury, its real. Besides, if she was trying to get rich, she would have lawyered up and filed a lawsuit by now instead of getting the police report amended so that she can file her insurance claim. That right there is a sign of someone that is innocent and just wants to get her insurance coverage.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

it only appears smart ass

because you kids use half truths to fit your contrarian arguments

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I made a point that is valid and takes into account of all the things we know now

All you can come up with is that “we don’t know all the facts yet”, which we don’t. Question is do we know enough to make a fair assessment, which I think we do and you don’t.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh

if i read in the newspaper tomorrow that Latif Masud punched someone in the face and they have the black eye to prove it, i’m going to hope that you are innocent until proven guilty

but i’m going to post on the blog that you’re probably guilty because i read it in a newspaper and everything i read in a newspaper is fact

(is it even a newspaper, i didn’t check)

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

(bigger) sigh

It’s more than just a new report. The initial police report has been amended to account for the victim’s allegations. Seeing as how those allegations come with pictures of her black eye and cut on the forehead, I believe her.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

btw

It’s a new channel that broke the news, so yes its an actual news agency.

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by Latif Masud on Dec 5, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well kobe girl filed a police report

and reputable agencies reported. so we’ll find out. glad you’re good with the facts now though.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Myself, I think he was tasting her and was driving with his feet while her husband watched.

And it was HER that had her hand on the gas pedal.

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by delusional on Dec 5, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

That's how I roll.

What’s the problem?

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by delusional on Dec 5, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

no problem any more

your post was at least close to funny and not at all an invalid argument.

i think it’s an improvement to be honest.

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And local news would never

get on a story about a NFL football player that has been in the national news for a week. Find someone making claims about him and run a “Only on our po-dunk station” story. If she’s is lying nothing on them, they only report the news. If she is telling the truth then we got the scoop.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No No No

Just because every news outlet is now referencing the report, including Yahoo front page, I’m sure K whatever in Portland had no ill intent. I’m sure they have their sources airtight and I’m sure when the facts come out they will be just fine.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The first step to filing a lawsuit would be

A police report? Yeah, an amended police report 2 days after the fact. Get readyyou are going to get your wish, Lawsuit incoming.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If he was not driving like an asshole

he would not have an lawsuit coming.

Funny how that happens.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The idiot puts himself into situations where he can be jerked about again.

It’s just more of the same ole Suh excuse of , I’m innocent, and misunderstood.

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by delusional on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

story is fishy for sure

we’ll see if it goes anywhere, which it sounds like it won’t

by redwingxviii on Dec 5, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

road head

with an envious camerawowan

"I like to win all the time, so all the time I play with myself."

by seabeeruss on Dec 6, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus the woman doesn't want her name to get out

because she is afraid that Suh’s associates will hurt her? WTF? Is KVB running hits these days? Crazy.

by ncbur10 on Dec 5, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

stunning

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, no its not

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

I said in another thread that the initial report was not the end of this situation. This revelation is expected.

The “stunning” and “wait, no its no” are flat out sarcasm.

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by joshsun on Dec 5, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

This Suh shit doesn't matter.

They are not reopening the case. So boohoo fender bender end of story.

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by Eddie Apoc on Dec 6, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

I bet the witness wants to be paid off also.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Passengers-say-Suh-lied-about-Portland-crash-135062198.html

A witness named Allan who called 9-1-1 to report the crash also spoke to KGW Monday. He said the driver "floored it" when a stoplight turned green at 3rd and Burnside. He said it looked like the driver was trying to "show off" with screeching tires.
He also told KGW there were no cars in front of Suh’s vehicle and he did not see a taxicab, either. He said he continued to watch as the vintage car hit a light pole, a fountain and then finally crashed into a tree.
The amended police report now says that one person was seriously injured and that there were four people in the car, not three.
The police report also quoted the same woman later interviewed by KGW. “He [Suh] was driving too fast and reckless all the time. There was never a taxi. He was just going too fast and he could have killed someone at Dante’s [a Portland nightclub].”
Authorities told KGW that, even with the amended police report, they still did not plan on issuing any citations in the crash.
"At no point did anyone there tell an officer that he [Suh] was driving out of control," said Sgt. Pete Simpson with the Portland Police Bureau. "The crash doesn’t meet our threshold for investigation which is vulnerable road user, DUI, or serious trauma injury."
KGW called Suh on the phone to get his response to these latest allegations and he declined to comment.

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by delusional on Dec 6, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

wow, now we have another person saying the same thing as the women

who has no chance of financial gain from saying it outside of the truth.

The fan boys around here are going to hate that.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

They'll start attacking this witness and his credibility also.

All I know is the initial report was all made up Suh b.s. which shows a pattern of ingrained deception,denial and entitlement.

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by delusional on Dec 6, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

remember when I said him holding out pissed me off

That was just a hint of what was coming. I hope he can grow up fast man.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Del, read this and tell me what you think

Schwartz: ‘We don’t have a suggestion box’

I am having a hard time not seeing this as an arrogant asshole saying “we do what we want” like some white trash tramp on Jerry springer.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but we knew that about him.

If you could of heard him when someone even had to gall to ask him about benching Stafford, it was chilling.

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by delusional on Dec 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Schwartz was supposed to be this super smart guy....

How does he not see a remark like that is almost identical to the one Suh has used in response to the league fining him so many times?

How does he not see how this kind of attitude has and will continue to effect his players?

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This one's quite an eyeroller.
I am having a hard time not seeing this as an arrogant asshole saying "we do what we want" like some white trash tramp on Jerry springer.

Coach now resembles a… “white trash tramp on Jerry Springer”. Jeez, that’s a stretch.

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by Skylar on Dec 6, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well, it is exaggerated no doubt

but the point was…. the arrogant indignant spoiled child that refuses to change even when all signs point to changes that need to be made.

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by joshsun on Dec 6, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think its going to matter

The cops are not going to reopen the case. And even if they wanted to they would have to admit they were wrong, meaning the cop at the scene. Didn’t the women flee the scene? If they were hurt they should have stayed.

I could be wrong on the fleeing thing. If its true though I’d say they gave up any hope of a money grab when they left.

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by Eddie Apoc on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

People make bad decisions like this in panic situations all the time

That will not absolve Suh from responsibility.

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