Grade Jim Schwartz - February 2011
The last time Pride of Detroit graded Jim Schwartz was back in October 2010. Despite the fact that the Detroit Lions had a 1-5 record of the time, 56 percent of the 1,524 voters gave Schwartz a B grade. 25 percent of the voters gave him a C, while 12 percent were so encouraged by what they saw that they voted for an A. The remaining 90 voters gave Schwartz a D (70 votes) or F (20 votes).
A month earlier, after the Lions started the season 0-2, 50 percent of more than 2,000 voters gave Schwartz a B grade. There was essentially a split between an A and C grade (20 percent voted A; 22 percent voted C), and the remaining percentile points went to D and F.
This was quite the change from the July 2010 poll, where 49 percent of 743 voters gave Schwartz an A, 44 percent gave him a B and almost all of the other voters gave him a C. Once the season got going most voters gave him a B, and that continued to be the case even after a 1-5 start.
Unfortunately no polls were conducted after October (these will be monthly things during the season going forward), so there's no data to look back on from the Lions' losing streak and then their winning streak to finish the season. We can now look back on Schwartz's first two years as a whole, though, and give him a grade for what he has done so far as the Lions' head coach. You can give him a grade by voting in the poll below, and feel free to explain your grade in the comments section. My vote and reasoning for it can be found after the jump.
After giving Schwartz an A back in July of last year, I dropped my grade to a B in September and kept that grade in October. Although the Lions did finish the season on a four-game winning streak, my grade remains unchanged, as I gave him a B again in this month's poll. While he might have been a healthy Matthew Stafford away from making a playoff run and easily receiving an A grade, I just personally feel like a B is a good assessment of what he's done with the Lions so far. He laid the foundation for future success in 2009, and 2010 served as a step forward despite all of the injuries. In 2011, if the Lions keep up their winning ways, I will have no problem raising his grade to an A. For right now, though, I'm sticking with a B, as it seems like the best of both worlds -- not too high since his overall record isn't that great, but not too low since he has done a lot of great things here, especially with what he has had to work with.
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How do you figure that? I don't see any Fs yet.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 14, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
There it is now, haha.
"My perception, sort of going back, looking at the Lions from the outside in, was the Lions would always change courses and overreact. To be at the point now where we were competitive in every game ... We need to stay on that track. We don't need to change course." - Jim Schwartz
I did not vote F
I voted D and the reason is simple. 6-10. if 8-8 is average thus a C grade. than 6-10 is a f.
Let the flaming begin.
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Sorry, I got the impression from some of your previous posts that Schwartz dragged this team down to six and ten.
Poor clock management, wussy and inconsistent decision making, poor use of available talent, lousy motivational skills, poor teaching and training skills and lack of team and player discipline as evidenced by the high number of penalties, among other things.
If you really believe that stuff about Schwartz, you should have the courage to stand behind your convictions and give him an F, and not be fooled by the team’s record which they may have achieved by a combination of luck and their own herculean efforts to overcome the Schwartz effect.
Your sarcasm aside
The mistakes you mentioned are in part the reason the team is 6-10. That changes nothing. I have been consistent. I want to win and 6-10 is a D.
If this question was asked before the 4 game winning streak, his grade would have been an F.
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So you had this team winning the Super Bowl?
because with your reasoning that would be an “A”.
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No, I did not
but yes, that would be an A.
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so I guess the bigger picture is that only one HC in the NFL can get an "A" in your book
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nah
Based on a “C” being 8-8 I would put it like this
A=12 or more wins
B=9-11 wins
C=8 wins
D=5-7 wins
E or F = 1-4 wins
Then you have to take into acct the playoffs for the top end teams. If Carroll took the Seahawks to the superbowl that would have been an A coaching job.
A playoff win is worth a grade jump in my book or at least close to it.
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So Rex Ryan would get an A
even though they were preseason favorites to go to the Super Bowl.
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yeah
As much as I hate the guy and his mouth he did the job this year. Being one game short of the superbowl, losing by 5, is a damn good season.
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So in your grading system
Rahim Morris did a worst coching job in TB than Ryan did in NY. Even though the Jets failed their expectations and finished this season the same as last season.
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yes
Getting to the top of your division is not as difficult as staying there.
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but the Jets did not get to the top of their division
they finished second.
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Making it to the AFC championship game
is reaching the top of your division.
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Indeed
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by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 15, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's pretty weak rationale
Your grading theory is based on the belief that the Lions were an average team the following year, hence 8-8 would be a grade of C. But the team was an F last year. Second worst record in the league. For Schwartz to bring a team like that, and increase their win record by 300%, 6-10 is a B at the very least.
If you prefer to grade on a curve that is fine
I have always though grading that way was a fantastic way to make poor efforts look better. If thats what you are trying to do, consider it mission accomplished.
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Well
He’s not trying to make poor efforts look better. He’s trying to make a good effort look good. You’re trying to make a good effort look poor, by simplifying and rationalizing.
6-10 is only good in Detroit.
Sorry, I would rather judge my team by NFL standards than our own past.
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keep tryin to judge that retarded child by normal methods....lol
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this team is not comparable to a "challenged" child
Not even close.
Keep making weak excuses.
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Joshun, I know this has been said to you before..
But judging just based on wins and losses is a very narrow-minded way of looking at things, there’s a lot more to it… I know you say you just want results, but there is plenty of factors that go into getting those results, they don’t just appear out of nowhere.
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by Kabideeyeeha on Feb 14, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
The head coach has one job
Win games.
I do not care about the reasons for winning or losing. They are all excuses. The NFL does not award playoff spots for teams with better excuses than other teams. The NFL did not take away Chicago’s playoff birth because they Technically lost the first game of the season. Nothing in this game matters but wins and loses and Schwartz is 6-10. That is a D in my book.
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by joshsun on Feb 14, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again
Very narrow-minded way of looking at it… If we had Belichick as our coach that wouldn’t guarantee a winning season, but he is still a great coach. There are many other things that play into getting wins other than just the head coach.
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by Kabideeyeeha on Feb 14, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
yup
and who gets fired when the team fails? The head coach more often than not.
This is a results driven league and 6-10 are not the results of a coach being graded as a c, b or even a.
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And here I thought this was a team game.
And for the record, only part of my previous post was sarcastic [ie. the reference to the Schwartz effect].
The rest was my honest recollection of your complaints during the 2010 season. The logic you use would have rated the job that Marinelli did with the 2007 team to be as good, if not better than what Schwartz did this year. Just a little perspective about how an easy schedule and luck can make a team look better than it is.
I am well aware of the differences in your post from sarcasm and not
That is why i responded to the post. If it was all sarcasm, i would have ignored it.
Did he win more games than Schwartz that year? Yup.
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for that one season, yes.
His team that year had a better record than Schwartz’s this year.
Anyone can look in hindsight and say “he was not as good of a coach as we thought/hoped he was”. In hindsight, we might one day say the same thing about Schwartz or we might look back and say he is the best coach we have had since Fontes.
6-10 will never be anything more than a losing season to me and outside of Detroit is is a terrible season.
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I disagree....
The reality is…. Marinelli had his starting QB…. Schwartz did not.
That’s a reality, not an excuse.
Im with you CLF
Kitna played all 16 games in 2007. and besides. the team started 6-2 and then finished 1-7. a good coach wouldnt let a team a finish out the season like that. It depends on who you play but 4-0 in the last 4 is pretty damn good.
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by Twincities88 on Feb 14, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
you win with what you have
Everyone has excuses.
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well
considering this IS the Detroit Lions, 6 wins is clearly above average, so the lowest grade I can give is a B, that they improved every game in some small bumps him up to an A.
I do not recall any clock management issues, the training is obviously excellent as 3rd stringers were winning games, and the coaching was way above the average of what we’ve seen here over the last 10 years, your arguments don’t seem to be holding up to scrutiny. I gave him an A.
What scrutiny?
You are entitled to your opinion. As I am entitled to mine.
If 6 wins get an A from you. Fantastic. My standards are higher than that for the team I have been a fan of for 30+ years.
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Me too...
a long suffering lions fan 1969-present. My grade was based on coaching not wins, the coaching was excellent…the players ehhh…not so much. On this team the coaching has been as good as I can remember.
I respect that
It is a different perspective on the qualifications of a good coach.
I have always been a bottom line kind of person and the bottom line for me is 6-10.
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Realities are not excuses....
Having your starting QB out for the season… is a reality, not an excuse.
Stating you lost a game because you didn’t try hard enough is an excuse.
Confusing the two causes confusion and delay… (sorry, my boy is a Thomas fan…lol)
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by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 14, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
No, that is an excuse
Do the games stop because your starting QB is not playing?
Do they have playoff spots for teams that suffer the most injuries?
Ten years from now do you think anyone outside of Detroit will remember that Stafford was not playing?
It is an excuse because no one else cares. Did any teams “take it easy on us” because our starting QB was out. Did any teams sit their QB to make the game fair?
Coaches are paid to win with the players they are given. Using any injuries to mask a shitty season is using excuses.
Take your excuses and talk to the packers that put 16 players on the IR before the end of season and lost at least 3 or 4 more players during the playoffs. They won the Superbowl.
Talk to the Patriots that lost Brady minutes into their season and still went 11-5.
I have heard all the excuses for so many years. They are stale and old. This team either puts up or shuts up.
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all right, lets pretend we're in high school
you have two kids: one is taking AP calc while in freshman year, while the other has mental troubles. Would you apply the same grading scale on both of them? Would you put them in the same class and have the apply the same grading scheme?
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lol
So, are you calling Schwartz mentally challenged?
Schwartz is competing against his piers(his own class). He is being measured by his record (6-10) which is below average(8-8) in his class. That does not earn anything better than a D.
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lol...no
im comparing the team’s talent to actual NFL level talent. Without stafford, they are pretty close to a mentally challenged child
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WOW... did you ever miss the point of my post.
Reality is… The Lions were never:
A. a playoff team
B. a NFC North Contender
or even C. projected to even being close to a .500 team.
REALITY IS>>>>>>>>> DING, DING, DING>……
The MET expectations WITHOUT THEIR starting QB… SHEESH!!!!!
And anyone in their right mind would say “wow”… Lions went 6-10 without their starting QB?…. I only had them winning 5 games all season, let alone the 4-0 finish….
The only one making excuses is YOU. Excuse after excuse of why you think this team is failing… excuse after excuse of why this, why that…. why why why… its not good enough, they suck, schwartz should be fired… wah, wah, wah,….
Oh yeah… the Patriots went 11-5… because they were 16 and 0 the year before ya dork…. Sheesh!
Yes, Schwartz is paid to win… and so far, he’s turning a 0-16 team into a 6-10 team in 2 years… Oh yeah… he finished this season by leading the Lions to 4 straight victories… 2 of which were playing for a playoff berth, 1 that won the freaking superbowl, and the other a divisional rival who the Lions hadn’t beaten in like 3 years.
Maybe its time you stop snorting the debbie downer powder and start looking at the Lions as an up and coming team.
….. cause all you are spewing are excuses of why we haven’t won more… and blaming the coach is the biggest bullshit excuse of them all.
by CLF on Feb 14, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The MET expectations WITHOUT THEIR starting QB… SHEESH!!!!!
They met your expectations without their starting QB.
Oh yeah… the Patriots went 11-5… because they were 16 and 0 the year before ya dork…. Sheesh!
So what, they were without their Starting QB and still won damn near 75% of their games.
Perhaps it is time for you to stop swallowing the BS the Lions are feeding you daily. 6-10 is not a good season under any circustances, EVER!
Making excuses about previous seasons will only limit improvement in the future.
Oh, BTW. All you people saying Schwartz is graded an A for this season, a 6-10 season no less. What grade do you give him next year if he manages to win even more games? Your expectations are so low its a joke.
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Another A?
He’d have to do much better to get an A.
As far as I’m concerned, for next season, the Lions would need to make the playoffs for an A. A winning season for a B and if he doesn’t improve past 6 or 7 wins, a C.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 15, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for the answer
and I agree with most of it. Making the playoffs next year would be close to an A grade for Schwartz from me. A winning season would be a B from me also. 6 or 7 wins would be another D from me.
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For me it's about improvement
I have seen that this year, and it stays the same for next year. We must continue to improve.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 17, 2011 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
I voted D also..
I thought that Swartz did a really good job changing the outlook of the Detroit Lions.
I feel that I will give him an A next year.
Throughout the season he made some calls I didn’t like:
Punting the ball when we shouldn’t have.
The Shotgun handoff play (which worked three times this year and was called alot, so many times that it became a joke among my band of Lions buddies, it didn’t work)
Game Management in the first 10 games was horrible, even in the two wins. (poor play calling, personal groups in certain down and yardage situations, not going for it on fourth down, letting Jahvid Best play hurt so much)
We are 6-10 and that is a good start to Swartz getting an A, but I won’t give him a passing grade until we make the playoffs.
Remember the NFL doesn’t have a “Bell Curve” and Swartz knows this.
Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball player of all time:
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
I disagree with your assessment with game management....
This team needs to know how to win a game on offense AND defense. Punting to shift field position and having your defense force a 3 and out is NOT a bad decision… its a good one. By the end of the year, the defense was able to do it.
IMHO, Schwartz will call games the same no matter the talent on his team… a far cry from what we’re used to. How else would the FO know what is missing from the team if the coach keeps trying to hide deficiencies? Schwartz has shown his ability to improve this team’s deficiencies(sp) with his high expectations. If you can’t do the job, I’ll find someone who can… What a breath of fresh air from the days of “keep watching this kid… I call him 5-0… he’s gonna be something special”….. (SHUDDER)
ok ok....
punting is up for debate and you’re right about it not being a bad decision, but when you’re down by 10 points and your on the opponents 40 yard line with time against you and you send in the punter and he kicks it into the end zone..how does that help you?
You know I am right about the shotgun handoff.
He was way better than Marnelli and I am being critical of our great coach, but he still gets a D.
Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball player of all time:
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
On the shotgun handoffs
that’s Linney’s territory not Schwartz. And yeah, that running scheme didn’t work well for us too often (unless we caught them off guard). But as you should know, Linney likes SETTING UP plays and keeping the defense to respect both run and pass…he’s stubborn that way. I think his rationale is that if we can get plays like that to work, it really helps to keep the defense honest. It’s been a trademark for NE and now GB…with Staff at the helm, I look for us to improve in that area and use Staff like NE uses Brady and GB uses Rogers (in that regard…freezing the LBs to open up seams and flat routes…)
RA
I hope you are right...
It was great when we caught them off guard with the shotgun handoff and they went for big plays. Which of course was the idea the entire time. Although the play calling is in Linney’s court, Swartz does have a good say in it during the week leading up to and during the game. I would say a good rule of thumb is if it didn’t work oh lets say the first ten times, lets try something else that we practiced and game planned for. They didn’t, Swartz is accoutable for that, and that goes into why they were 6-10 and I gave him a D. I want it to work just as much as any other Lions fan. I want to give him an A. I want to be in the playoffs. But we’re not and he gets a D at 6-10. I bet he would grade himself the same way.
Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball player of all time:
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
Schwartz has kept his word...
…and has, is doing exactly what he said he will. Building for long term success. Not trying to be successful right away.
by topherclosson on Feb 14, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
a 2-14 record
would have gotten him a C? Damn. I want to sign up for your classes.
by Big Z in Orlando on Feb 15, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Went with B again
I wish there was a B+ option but this is how I see it: I like the calm & plan-driven mindset of Schwartz. He’s right, we have way too often, over-reacted and jumped ship. He must have had something to do with our team finally stopping the shooting of the foot as the second half of the season witnessed much less penalties and bone headed mistakes. We actually played pretty solid football and went toe-to-toe (beside the 4th Qtr with NE), often looking like the more disciplines team near the end of the season. That was a remarkable sight to see, given how young this team is and where we started the season out at…however, Schwartz is also responsible for a 2-14 record and now a 6-10 record. That said, if Staff was playing for most of the year, I think 80%+ of us would be seeing A’s for Schwartz…
RA
I give him a B+
I cannot give any coach an A rating until they produce a winning season. He is making the right decisions and moves, but until I see that 10-6 or even 8-8 record I cannot give him an A
"My perception, sort of going back, looking at the Lions from the outside in, was the Lions would always change courses and overreact. To be at the point now where we were competitive in every game ... We need to stay on that track. We don't need to change course." - Jim Schwartz
I gave him an A
The man is doing pretty good with what he has been given. Now if the glass cannon can finally stay healthy we can do something. We were winning games with 2nd and 3rd string qb’s, to me that says a lot about what kinf of job he’s doing not to mention that unlike our lions teams of old we were competetive all year.
Gave him an A
unlike certain people on here, I will take into consideration that he had to use three different QBs, no KVB for 5 games, no Jason Hanson for a long stretch, a whole bunch of corners, most em that dont even deserve to be on a NFL roster.
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more on injuries
17 players finished the year on the IR
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by Twincities88 on Feb 14, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
everyone gave a big stink about GB having 15 on IR and while I agree that is a TON to still be able to compete well, it wasn’t as much as the Lions. I don’t remember it hardly being mentioned in the media…the way it goes…
RA
its not the number of injuries that matters
but WHO was injured. I could care less if 17 third stringers got injured, but when our top QB misses 13 games, and our team is built around the offense, then 6-10 looks pretty damn good
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Packers had five starters IRed. We had seven.
And as you say latif, losing your starting QB is worth any four starters. Ask a Packer fan if he would want all five of the starters back if it meant losing Rodgers for ten games. They would not touch that deal with a ten foot pole. Most of the guys they lost to IR were depth anyway.
Their big losses were Ryan Grant RB, J. Finley TE, N. Barnett LB and M. Tauscher RT. They also lost Atari Bigby SS, but they had lots of depth in the secondary.
meh
those arent even real losses. Finley after all is a TE. They were grooming Bulaga to start on the right side anyways. Bigby’s role in that defense wasn’t all that big…he plays with Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Nick Collins. All three of em are pro bowl caliber guys.
The only big losses are Barnett, and Grant
And I see us as missing 8 starters since Best pretty much couldn;t run the ball to save his life…
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Finley was a HUGE target for Rodgers...
Fortunately… with driver and Jennings… “MEH” is about right…lol.
dont blame best
blame the atrocious oline
by Usmarine0341 on Feb 14, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
not blaming best
blaming the turf that screwed up his toe lol
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I gave him an "A"
I thought this was a 5-11 team if healthy. Obvious, the Lions were not that healthy this season. Schwartz got 6 wins with backups and cast offs. Not to mention a win against the Super Bowl Champs near the end of the season.
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I gave a B
for the exact reason you explained.
The Lions still need more legit NFL talent to win more
"The right (draft) move sometimes might be to strengthen a strength. Filling holes in the 1st round leads to grabs and busts." - Steve_Chiefs.
Gave him an A
Getting this team not to bag it at the end of the season, teaching them to win the close ones, AND knocking off the super bowl champs? Hells yes that’s an A.
Now, if we go 6-10 next year, then that’s an F. But for now, I’m really pleased with what I see.
This is precisely why I gave him an "A."
I was prepared to lose faith in him after the Jets fiasco where the team looked like shit and didn’t play with any heart after Stafford went out again, then tanked against the Oh-fer Bills, and lost to the hapless Cowboys. But Schwartz really turned the mindset of this team around and pulled out 4 wins at the end of the season, one against the future Superbowl champion Packers. That’s what was important to me, changing the attitude of the team.
"Shoulda-Coulda-Woulda"
by Lions & Panthers Fan on Feb 14, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I gave Schwartz an A.
It is pretty rare when a team can accomplish across the board improvement in virtually every part of the team; offence, defence, and special teams while continually slotting in new and inexperienced players in every unit.
I look at the Packers and they lost both games where Rodgers did not play the majority of snaps. Philadelphia lost four of six games without Vick taking most of the snaps, and that is with Kevin Kolb at QB. Jacksonville lost all three games, very badly by the way, that David Garrard did not take most of the snaps. I think HOW the Lions played throughout all the adversity bodes very well for the future.
I will give Mayhew, Linehan, Gunny, Crossman, the other coaches and the players a lot of the credit too, because overall success or failure is never on one person’s head.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 14, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Went with a B
Because I feel giving him an A is saying he couldn’t have done anything better, and that is just not true… However, I am very happy with the direction we’re going and what he has done so far. Hopefully we continue making good offseason decisions and I will expect at least 9 wins next year. That is assuming we’re healthier than we were last season.
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I give him a B
things have gotten much better. While I gave him a A going into the season expectaions mean tougher grading. I say a B is solid for what he has done but I don’t think he can oficially get an A anymore until we contend for a playofff run. Stafford is the key to that but 6-10 is not 9-7 no matter who the QB is. Besides that giving him an A means he got it
%100 right and not even Mike McCarthy got that in GB. Schwartz period of inheriting a 0-16 team as an excuse has passed. Going into 2011 I think he now has to be graded on the same scale as the other 31 HCs. Still like Schwartz I don’t want to replace him I just think it is time to expect more and me a little tougher on him just as if he was Sean Payton or Norv Turner.
"Show me someone with an offseason and I'll show you someone in last place"- Ndamukong Suh ( All Pro, Pro Bowl, Pepsi Rookie of the year, AP defensive rookie of the year, Sporting news rookie of the year,)
I agree with you about 2011 will use a different yardstick TP.
There should not be more than about 10% turnover [around normal for an NFL team] and he has his players in place for at least a year in this scheme. Schwartz and the coaches should be more familiar with the players and vice versa, and confidence in each other should be higher too, so it is time to get more out of who we have and make the small adjustments necessary to get into the playoffs.
hmmm... there's going to be a bit more than that...
2 LBs, 2 CBs and a possible safety…. oh, and another WR…
I would put the Lions turn over at around 15-20%… that’s 8—10 new players on the final 53…. I expect 3-4 new starters on Defense…
Right on the money
My status quo for the Lions( yes I know it is early ) will be 8-8. That is where, at this moment, I will be judging them.
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Solid B
It does not take just one season to destroy a team to the point where they go 0-16. It will not take just one season to change this team into a winner. The foundation is there, the past is the past, and they are learning to win. “B”
Taking a team from 2 to 6 wins is a good effort, not an “A” coaching job. Next year, 6 wins would merit a grade of D or F. I fully expect the Lions to win 9-12 games next year (assuming a decent draft/fa signings/trades). I am more concerned about them playing in a dominant division then their non-conference schedule (note: I don’t recall everyone they play next year). Divisional play is where Schwartz should be judged the most next year. Finally, I think he has put them in a good position to meet those challenges, and be a contender at the end of the year.
B+ to A-
It’s the coaches job to put players in POSTION to WIN games. ultimately it’s up to the players to win those games. He inherited the WORST TEAM in NFL HISTORY. A team with no leadership,depth,talent,pride or direction
In 09 2-14, in ’10 6-10 a 4win increase, if we have a +4 increase in ’11 we are 10-6 w/ PLAYOFFS in our grasp.
The hottest fires forge the toughest steel. And thats what we are about to see with this team.
COP:"Do you know why I pulled you over Mr. Dunn ?" ME:" Was I speeding officer?" COP:"A lil bit, but I really wanted to see a SORRY ASS DETROIT LIONS FAN UP CLOSE!" He gave me a ticket for 50 in a 45 zone. So I ask him his team. COP: DA BEARS HAHAAHAHAA
On the fence between A and B, but...
I stuck with the B. There are some legitimate areas that I think he can improve in, so I don’t want to give too much credit to his coaching acumen just yet. But I think he has a solid plan and has really got this team believing in themselves and confident for once. That is what coaching is all about. It’s the X’s and O’s as well for sure, but it’s about selling the dream to the players that they can win and win big. It’s about believe in the common purpose.
I think Schwartz… with the proper talent, can win the Super Bowl in Detroit. That’s something I was never able to say with Marinelli, nor Mooch or Mornhinweg either. He is a smart, enthusiastic coach that will do great things with a little more talent and a little luck.
I voted B, and I am leaving this thread behind before I get in trouble for virtual murder.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Justify
He was good, given the cards he was dealt, but not excellent and not perfect.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
very well put
Lived In Minnesota (born) for 7 years. Lived in Detroit for 6 years. I hate the Vikings. Nuff said.
by Twincities88 on Feb 14, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like Coach deserved an A
My grade is also to the FO, I believe that the two factions worked together very well and bodes well for the future.
Remember folks, we were 0-16. The debacle that was Millen and et al was abysmal of historic proportions.
I remember the 49’ers were 2-14 then 7-9 in Montana’s 1st two seasons, then the 3rd yr they were 13-3 and SB Champs
We’re improving similarly and that is without our stud QB. If he stays healthy next season, I think the sky is the limit.
If you give me a choice of how to build a team, my two most important factors are are the front 7 on D and a stud QB. We beat the crap out of that GB Offense, that was no fluke. Another year of off season improvements and look out!!!
I went with a B, but wanted to give an A.
He really did a lot with the talent thats on the team. He really turned the Defense around also. Next year I expect our Defense to be a top 10 at the very least.
not that I"m into bursting bubbles
‘cause that would be awesome. But I think we still have another offseason and some playing experience to go (2012 at the earliest) before we’re top 10 on D. There are too many holes, but I like where we’re headed for sure. We spent a lot of resources on the skilled positions recently, nd so I believe we need to ride our offensive power into 2011. Staff with all those weapons should yield very good things and shouldn’t require a top 10 D to win many games…at least that’s my hope anyhow…
RA
B
He did a solid job, especially in keeping the boys up and ready to play the games, especially at the end of the season when it matters least. He can still improve, and next season should be his breakout, but so far, a very solid B seem reasonable to me.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
keep the bar high
If we grade in Detroit coaching terms we let him be the king of mediocrity. He has learned this year. Even if he tries not to show it he does listen to good counsel. He is likeable to both public and team. He’s young so he’s hungry and he has energy to burn. He has a nice foundation of what it’s like to be the league dog so that it will never happen again while he is running the show. I like his learning curve so far. No Detroit coach has ever gotten rid of the two players I like least on the field for any given season until this year. Of course that means if he has similar thoughts to my own then I percieve him to be a genius intellect (:P). All this said, don’t grade on hype, grade on results. I can’t imagine he himself giving this season any higher than a C overall. He wants hardware and letting his players get all warm and fuzzy about anything less loses the team. These guys are on a mission and only the CBA will keep this team out of the playoffs. When it comes to grading the past leave the “what ifs” out.
I agree with your assessment of Schwartz's own mindset regarding the 2010 season.
However, I think some of his statements show that he is pretty happy with the progress the team made through the season and especially how they finished.
This gets back to the old argument of how do you judge coaches. By record only, or by a more subjective view. I have always been of the mind that a coach’s job is to get the best possible results out of the players that he has available. And especially important is how a team finishes the season, as that shows [IMO] the coach’s ability to change to improve the team performance. So by record, Bellichick is the best coach as he went 14 and 2. You could also make a subjective argument for him as he worked in a high number of rookies into the offence and defence and they finished the year on an eight game winning streak against some very tough teams.
The Lions were generally expected to finish with between 4 and 7 wins. Probably closer to four than seven. They did it under difficult circumstances [injuries, tough schedule, heart breaking losses, working in scrubs on a regular basis] and then finished on a very high note.
An A [what I gave him] may be a little high, but I don’t consider an A as a perfect job by any means. A B+ is probably better, but I did not have that option.
I definitely want Drew to stay with the Lions.
And not just because I am reading that Matt Flynn, the Packers QB who Stanton beat, is being considered to be worth a second round draft choice. See the article on Mocking The Draft. Crazy.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
lol... I'm afraid that the talent pool of the QBs...(not all that great)
That Detroit will get a good value 4th round QB in this draft.
"B"....
….if voting on ability to keep the team moving in the right direction, despite youth, despite injuries, despite the 2-ton Gorilla on their back that most of the players didn’t have much to do with.
“A” if voting from the perspective of relativity. I mean, just look at the previous decade of inept coaching and mis-management.
“C” if voting from a “right here, right now” mind set. Ignoring the history of the franchise, the depths of hell they’re trying to crawl out of, and if just being a little harsh.
“D” if you’re just a moron who thinks your team should win the Super Bowl every year.
“E or F” if you’re a moron beyond the idiocy of the morons who voted “D”, and I’m impressed that your fat fingers could even hit the correct key considering their relative proximity to “D”. Or maybe if you’re a monkey that just learned how to type…either way, you’d have to be one cousin fucking away from pure “better off dead” stupidity.
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
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by Mushy on Feb 15, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
lol
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 15, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions





























