Offensive Line Breakdown...
I really can't say if Detroit will be going OL in the first, I think that they will enter the draft with an open mind and take the BPA. Since an upgrade is needed along the Oline i thought i would look at what we got... at the Tackles we got Backus, Cherilus, Fox, Hilliard and Ugoh, at Center we got Raiola and Gandy and at the guards we got Sims and Peterman. Lets take a look at each individual.
Jeff Backus played a nice game all year but entering his 11th season you really have to wonder how many more miles does he have left. I felt that Backus had a Pro Bowl year but as aways was over looked, funny thing is he was named to the ESPN ALL NFC North Team in which he beat out Chad Clifton and Donald Penn.
Gosder Cherilus seems to have really found his way in his 3rd year with the Lions. Gos also played a nice game up until his season ending injury but when healthy was looking more confident and comfortable on the right side. Consistency seem's to be a thing of the past and hopefully remains in the past. Gos is a better run blocker than pass blocker and looks like he may have finally figured the game out.
Fox, Hilliard and Ugoh are depth at the tackle position and out of the three Hilliard has seen the most time for the Lions.
Jason Fox since we've only seen him play in one game its hard to say what he can and can't do, Fox was a 4th round pick in last years draft but was projected as a 2nd round pick who drop down the board due to being injuried. He really hasn't wowed anybody yet but he also hasn't made you question why Schwartz selected him where he did either. His profile reads that he is quick and athletic for a 300 pounder. Experienced and polished, is more of a run blocker but can hold his own in the pass game, he's not the mauler type, needs to up his intensity/nasty level for NFL Oline, a bit injury prone and needs to add strength and bulk.
Tony Ugoh was selected by the Indianpolis Colts as a 2nd round pick in 07, Ugoh was signed by the Lions in the later half of the season and never seen the field. Detroit did sign him to a 2 instead of a one year contract. His profile reads can really plow the field as a run blocker, with the tools to anchor a run blocking unit: size, athleticism, mobility, quickness, agility and power. A bit of a late bloomer and still learning, somewhat raw as a pass protector and doesnt always play with proper leverage.
Corey Hilliard is a product of the New England Patroits who selected him in the 07 draft in the 6th round, Hilliard was given the nod after starter Cherilus went down with injury. Corey is on his 4th team in 3 years and may have found a place to call home, he did an okay job as a back up but was a little jumpy.
Dominic Raiola is under sized and cocky as they come. Raiola is entering his 11th season. He struggles in the run game but is okay in the passing game, gets the QB the ball rather there under center or in a shot gun. Needs help blocking from the guards and backs and really takes away from the potential of the line.
Dylan Gandy is the same mold of Raiola just not as good, he has all the traits of Dom but is best suited as a back up. He entered the league in 05 and was selected by the Colts in the 4th round.
Rob Sims is the road grader in the run game selected in the 4th round by Seattle in 06 was one of the brighter spots on the line. He is a better run blocker than pass protector but still did an outstanding job this year. Really makes the game look easy from his position and opens holes that Kevin Jones could find his way through.
Stephen Peterman could be a good guard but seems to always be hurt. Drafted in 04 by Dallas in the 3rd round Peterman is another road grader that can also pass block, once again only knock is he can't stay healthy or stop from jumping offsides or holding long enough for me to like him.
I'm not for taking a tackle in the draft and i'm not against it . I trust in Schwartz and Mayhew 100% and i feel like they will do whats best for the Detroit Lions in 2011 and beyond, so until they make a bad decission i have to stand by them and there choices. I won't say that Detroit won't draft a tackle in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or so on b/c i don't know how they rate Backus, Cherilus, Fox, Hilliard and Ugoh. I read an artical that had Schwartz saying that Backus will play LT and only LT until the draft, now you can take what you want from it but to me it sounds like Jim could be playing a little musical chairs at the tackle spot. Does that mean Nate Solder, Gabe Carimi or Anthony Castonzo are on Schwartz draft list, i'm sure they are with 30 other names it just means that Schwartz and Co. are going into the 2011 season with an open mind and not just handing returning starters and vets the job.
I like the left side of the line with Backus and Sims, i understand Backus is getting old but i think with Sims he can go another year. I don't like Raiola and i am unsure about Peterman, i like what i have seen out of Gos and hope he comes back healthy and continues raise his level of play. As for the depth i like Fox, Hilliard and Ugoh but think its time to say goodbye to Gandy. Here is a few linemen i like in the draft around the 3rd and down: James Carpenter, Ryan Pugh, Zane Taylor, Justin Boren, Stephen Schilling and John Moffitt.
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My bad...
having flashbacks watching Barry on NFL Network.
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Seen that
Loved it. I guess one upside to being unemployed it getting to watch old NFL films specials about Barry
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by The Profiler on Feb 15, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I voted Gosder becuase he is a young starting tackle
truth be told though they are all important…even the ones that shouldn’t be there have a extemley important job.
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+1
they are all important. I like Gos the more i watch film and read about him, he has atually come alot further than i originally thought.
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LT is the most significant position
and Backus plays the position well (in the past two years anyway) so he’s the most valuable.
Donald Thomas was not mentioned. He started in Miami, so I’m curious how the FO feels about him. If he fits our system and the FO likes him, there may be no need to get another replacement for Peterman if he gets hurt or continues to make stupid mistakes. Peterman frustrated me to no end last year, but now that time has past and the end of the season was much better; I think we should move forward with him 0 he really can be a good guard – but we need to have someone waiting in the wing that is almost toe-to-toe in competition. Not sure if that’s Thomas or not.
I’d really love if we got Stefen Wisniewski or Tim Barnes in the 3rd…
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Thomas
good point! I forgot all about him. I’ll be curious to see how he battles his way through camp.. if there is one.
I too would love one of those centers. Since Barnes didn’t get combine invite I’m inclined to think he’ll be around in the 4th if not later.
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I like Barnes as well...
if he goes b4 then here are to more i like Zane Taylor and Ryan Pugh
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I have thought of Thomas a couple of times
You just never know what goes though the head of Schwartz and Mayhew. Thomas was in Miami when they were running the ball very well. He lost his job due to injuries or attitude, cant remember which one. But the Dolphins have not been the same since. Personally I feel that there is enough OL depth on this team as of now. I do not think the Lions nees to draft an O-linemen, unless someone special falls to us.
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Injuries JC. Then could not get back in the line up.
They let him go at the end of camp and he sat around for over two months before the Lions took him. He won a starting Guard job in Miami in training camp, then got injured in the first game of the season. He returned the next year to start again, and ended up getting injured again. The Dolphins drafted Jerry to take that spot and he was out.
I wouldnt say that there is enough OL depth.
You could say there is alot of bodies but not depth, like you said you never know what goes though the head of Schwartz and Mayhew. I just hope that it happens 3rd and down but if b4 i wont complain gotta trust these two and the moves they make.
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Forgot about Thomas b/c he was not on the roster but the PS.
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here's the thing I don't get at all
1) Peterman is supposed to be an outright mauler, Sims greatest strength is supposed to be drive blocking and Cherilus is also supposed to be great in the isolation power run game. Now I know we didn’t run a true power run scheme until the later half of the season; but why does it seem like our line is consistently getting out muscled? Why can’t we ever convert a run on 3 and 2 (or 4th and 1 for that matter)? Are those three just not playing up to their abilities in run blocking? Are only Peterman and Cherilus (where we were ranked 32nd in run blocking behind) really bad last year? Will they play to their scouting report strengths next year?
2) Backus isn’t suppose to be a very good run blocker, but we’ve consistently been able to run the ball best when it’s in his gaps. Interesting…
It appears, only Raiola is a liability in the run game (and maybe Scheffler), why was Best getting manhandled AT or behind the line all the time? Seriously, what’s it going to take to get this thing going? I can’t believe Raiola was the piece that allowed all those plays to go bad (looking at film, I know for a fact it wasn’t just him…)
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Backus isn’t suppose to be a very good run blocker
um what??
he is a converted OG… and his stranght is runblocking.. always has been…
i rember alot of time this year where he was 10 yards down filed with the RB.. most of them came back but he was still down there lol
A converted Guard? At what level?
Backus played Left Tackle all four years at Michigan. Come on man you should know that.
I'm not saying Backus isn't a solid run blocker (in fact I argue he is as the stats justify it)
I’m saying a few of the scouting reports I’ve read, said that while he’s good in technique, he’s not a powerful run blocker or mauler…
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what do you suggest?
you got some good points. do you think drafting new G’s and swapping out our RT is the answer.
Center and Guard is how i would play it...
Detroit could do several things like draft Solder, Camiri or Castonzo and slide Backus to a gaurd or draft Wiz and use FA, they could wait and grab Moffitt. I dont think moving the RT is the problem i really like Backus and Gos at the tackles but Schwartz and Co. know more abou it than we do.
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Ideally
1) I think we should pick up a top notch center in the draft. He wouldn’t probably start right away or anything, but Dom is a very good signal caller, and he could learn how we do everything here through him…and be there in case Dom continues to go down hill
2) Depending on where the coaches believe Thomas and Ugoh are at fitting our RG position, that should dictate the amount of resources put into that position. We already have some real dollars tied into Peterman. Ugoh was an inconsistent LT who started several years for Indy, but his college/draft scouting report suggested he’d be more fitting to play guard in the NFL and that he has excellent strength…his weaknesses (footwork, bend etc.) would be minimized in a guard position. Both of these guys really could be solid RGs for us, but I think it’s a matter of where there drive/work ethic is. If the coaches are happy with that end, I wouldn’t draft or spend FA money on the position. If they are questionable, I’d keep a close eye on guys like Moffitt in case they fall into a good value pick for us…
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you're right
it wasn’t all on Raiola. It was quite a bit tho! He was pushed from side to side and often forced the back to take a hesitant step which blew the play. I think another big issue was just general scheme of the plays. They tried the same thing over and over up the gut to make it predictable. They also didn’t seem to really scheme in the OL in a way that would create the success, but I’m no expert on the line play.
I think the biggest thing they can do to improve the line is bring in a solid center asap.
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I'm fine with our OT position
Our interior needs work though. I’d like us to get Raiola’s eventual replacement, maybe someone like Wis, O’Dowd, Barnes, Linnenkohl or Fusco. Maybe picking up a nice Guard would help as well.
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i agree
I think we are good in the LT/RT department, we cant upgrade everything this year, for now i would like to see a new C and new blood at G.
I like Barnes if we can get him 4th or down...
Wiz and O’Dowd should go b4 between the 1st and 2nd. Should be intresting to see what happens in the draft.
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The left side, Sims and Backus is good.
I’m concerned about Gos, since he had micro-fracture surgery. Hopefully he comes back better than ever. Also as for Peterman… I just don’t know. Was his penalties due to his injury? If he’s still there next year he better come out like a Mack Truck and mow people over.
Dom
I picked Dom mostly because I think the lions are need of a new long term player at center, and having Dom who is a tone setter at Center(Much in the ilk of KVB or Ray Lewis on defense) and with a new young center having a guy who can play the position for a couple of years letting the rook learn the position
Having Dom teach him ever dirty trick in the book is a major plus.
by Phreaking Mohican on Feb 15, 2011 9:15 PM EST reply actions
I think the FO likes Dom though....
Unfortunately, I dont see him going anywhere for a few years unless he gets hurt.
Sims was the best.
Not to take away from Backus but he may of had his best year only because of Sims. Also IMHO he happened to be the best and a fairly young O-Lineman.
Your not taking anything from Backus...
i think he would be the first to admit Sims was the reason behind his play this year.
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hey!
That was a good breakdown of the line. I have to say that I agree with the evaluation of each player and your thoughts about how the FO will proceed.
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if tyron smith falls to us
will we take him over CB/LB?
I am intrigued by this guy—he is listed at only 280lb but I guess he is like 20 and is expected to put weight on. I doubt he falls to us but if he did it could be a no-brainer.
I read on a draft blog that he is rumoured to be over 300 pounds now.
Hopefully, most of that is muscle and not just fat.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
agreed.
Seems like it would almost have to be more muscle 20+ pounds of fat wouldn’t help his stock, but then again i really dont know the kids work ethics.
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I would complain
I like what Schwartz, Mayhew and Co. have done the last two years. With or without a free agency period before the draft the Lions are going to do an excellent job of adding 2-3 starters in the draft alone. I dont think the draft before FA will really affect any Mayhewing from happening and i say that at least one starter will come from a trade and one from FA.
If there is a FA before the draft its likely 1-2 starters could come out of trades and 1-2 starter out of FA but 2-3 starters always will come from the draft as long as Schwartz and Mayhew keep on with the keep on.
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I meant to say wouldn't complain.
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But as our team gets better, it will be harder to find guys in the third round or later that can realistically start in the first year.
I would not expect Cameron Jordan or Julio Jones to start on the Lions in 2011. Jordan would be a depth DE and Jones would be the # 3 WR. IMO
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I guess i didnt look at it in that light...
I know we go BPA but i was thinking BPA at a position of need. Really if Detroit resigns Houston i don’t see were Harris, Smith or if he slips Prince would really start. I like Houston and Phonz on the corners and at linebacker i think a rookie is going to have his hands full with Bobby and Ashlee.
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I guess I am not as big on Alphonso.
I think he will make a great nickel back, but I would hope that if we drafted a corner at # 13 that he would take over a starting Cornerback spot by the middle of the season. If not, then you have to wonder if it makes sense to draft a Corner at # 13.
Although I am not worried about having Houston, Alphonso, Berry, and Vasher as our Corners in 2011. The Detroit coaches were really talking Aaron Berry up in the preseason. It will be really interesting to see how he does this year.
I am not worried about having Houston, Alphonso, Berry, andVashera high draft pick as our Corners
I fixed that for you.
Ha! Yes, I would be surprised if we don't get a CB in the first two rounds.
But not completely shocked. If we could keep Vasher [I thought he looked very good late in the season] , the Lions might get a developmental CB later in the draft to work up to a starter in a year or two.
This is going to be a very interesting draft. The Lions should be free to grab the best player at # 13. I’m sure they will draft at least one LB in the first three rounds, but after that, you can make a case for any player or position…..except QB, or TE.
Should be a very inttresting draft and camp.
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I voted Gosder
He is the future of this line is he keeps progressing, he can be a great O-linemen.
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