Defensive Line Breakdown...
Unlike the Oline the Dline is stacked with talent from the starting four all the way down to the depth, even the PS has potential now thats frightening. Here are the players we will be looking at KVB, SLH, Turk, Cliff, Lo Jack, C.Wil and yours truely King Kong...
Kyle Vanden Bosch: Relentless, 350 Chevy Motor and the heart of the most fierce Lion in the jungle. KVB in his first year with the Lions did more than stats can show for, I know the Dline started to really click once he went out with season ending neck injury but he was the motor of our line and remained that from the sidelines. KVB played in 11 games and recorded 49 tackles, 4 sacks and was a big mentor for Suh, Avril and the rest of the line.
Ndamukong Suh: King Kong ain't got s@*t on Suh. In his first year he only won Pepsi Rookie of the Year and AP DROY was voted to the 2011 Pro Bowl and named to the All Pro Team. Did i mention he was only a rookie. 16 games played and 16 games he played through a injuried shoulder which is scary to think what he will do once a 100%. In those 16 games Suh recorded 83 total tackles, 10 sacks, a INT and yes a TD. Suh was double team more often than anything and even triple teamed at times but still put together a hell of a season and truely anchored the Dline.
Corey Williams: This is what i found on C. Wil "Not very coachable, can get pushed backwards as a run stopper, not an anchor or team leader" just give 4 BS's and we'll call it a day. If my memory serves me correctly Corey was one of the Lions who came out and said that players are just here collecting a pay check and not giving a 100%. I really don't recall seeing him pushed back and not anchoring the line in run support although he didn't have a great year playing alongside Suh it was decent. Williams rotated in and out alot with SLH and recorded 42 tackles, 2 sacks and a INT.
Cliff Avril: Speed Demon on the edge this kid comes full tilt every play and sometimes over runs the play. He was critized early on for being non-exsistant in the run game but added 15 to 20 lbs in the off season and looked decent this year in stopping the run. Cliff only played in 13 games this year but tallied up 8.5 sacks and 43 tackles although he had decent numbers you want to see more out of him than that with Suh allowing both DE's one on one match ups, giving that he only played in 13 games we'll give him the benefit of the doubt and asume he would have cracked double digit sacks.
Sammie Hill: Although SLH didn't start to me he should have. He has the size and mobility to pair up so sweetly with Suh, SLH only played in 15 games and used as a rotational guy to spell Suh and C. Wil still put up very decent numbers recording 39 tackles and 2.5 sacks. One of Schwartz and Mayhews gems in the 2009 draft SLH was choosen in the 4th round out Stillman College. I really like Sammie's chances of unthorning C. Wil as a start and making that front four so much more sicker.
Lawrence Jackson: Can you say Mayhewed. Jackson didn't fit in Seattle for some strange reason so we gave them this years 6th round pick in return we got a former first round pick just 3 years ago, he played in 11 games and only recorded 47 tackles and 6 sacks. I think Jackson is another guy that will be pushing for a starting job on this years team he sometimes over pursues the play and gets took out of it, is stronger than Avril in run support and to me a better rusher.
Turk McBride: Turk is very intresting to me, was under Gun in KC and was picked up off waivers. Here is another former high pick (2nd round) that just didn't work for them but seems to be excelling under Gun in Detroit. Playing in 15 games he had 50 tackles and 5 sacks, next to KVB Turk is the best in run support and a very good tackler he brings alot to the table and should be involved in the battle for the starting line up.
I just want to add that i truely believe we will have the best front four in the game this year. I can't wait to see how the battles unfold in camp with Turk, Jackson and Avril as well as SLH and C. Wil... Detroits depth along the Dline is going to be just as good as some starting lines in the NFL. Well enjoy and as aways feel free to comment, rec or ignore.
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I rolled with Cliff
I really like that kid and he’s developing very nicely. He definitely would have broken double digit sacks if it weren’t for all of his injuries (this is a real problem with him, and the only thin I see slowing him down from being a very good pass rusher).
I’m also a little more sweet on Corey Williams. While his penalties were frustrating as all get up, his burst of the snap is elite for his position and can single hand-idly reck running plays when that happens…I’m also real high on Sammie, so I do hope he gets some more reps than last year. It’s awesome, because normally KVB would be the first to get double teamed. Williams certainly demands double teams pretty regularly and SLH did in ’09…but you HAVE to double Suh right!? so yeah, I believe we will continue to see excellent things from that line.
I’m also very interested in Willie Young. He looked fantastic in preseason and Mayhew really talked him up right after the season ended, saying he progressed throughout the season at practice, so with an offseason to get stronger and take after KVb and Cliff, I’m excited to see if he can get some reps in (probably later on in games…)
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I cant wait to see how he looks after a year of learning and strengthening. I think spending a year around KVB would help alot of younger playera as well as vets.
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by SmittyJ on Feb 18, 2011 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im curious too
But I feel like Young might have a hard time cracking the line up with any kind of regularity.
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by CapitolLions on Feb 18, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Avril, Jackson, Turk and KVB aren’t going to roll over for the kid.
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What a good problem to have
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by CapitolLions on Feb 20, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
You can say that again
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im on record as saying we could use another DE as a luxury
but LoJack and/or WY could be that guy. im not writing them off, and if they want to roll with them this year, thats cool wit me.
If Young has grown enough over the past season...
I think that Schwartz and Gun could come up with a small package of plays for him. Jackson in my eyes is the starter over Cliff now that just my opinion but its going to be a fight along that front four minus Suh and KVB.
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my concern is as a pass rushing unit ...
Detroit’s talent level is alot better with this unit. But what concerns me is the edge rush. It was good at times…but to me more consistancy from the ends is needed to get to the next level. I think overall Detroit has one of the best situations at End in the league. Just that edge presents from both sides seemed lacking (maybe because of injury to KVB). Seems like we can squeeze more sacks out of this unit…..i am not sure would count on Suh racking up 10 sacks a year. A DT doing that consistantly is instant HOF material to me. Give him help with a presents off the edge and this line can go to the next level…and this is a improvement that could very well come from this current group without adding to the roster.
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I agree...
I think having KVB back will make a world of difference along the line and i really hope that they can squeeze in the edges. Having the mixture of Suh with C. Wil or SLH pushing the middle down the QBs throat the edge rush has to be there to clean it up. I llike Avril just as much as the next fan here but i am going with Lo Jack an entire year under Schwartz and Gun this kid is going to show the NFL why he was a first round pick. I like Turk as well but cant see him taking the job from KVB but he will have some competation making for a battle in camp.
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by SmittyJ on Feb 18, 2011 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I went with Lo Jack
Just look at his numbers when KVB went down. In seven games, he had 5 sacks and 30 tackles. As much as I like Cliff. I think the Jackson has a much higher ceiling.
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I know telling the truth isnt always easy. Jackson was taken in the first as Avril was taken in the third of the same year. I understand that players in the first bus just as easy as a player in the third but just watching the kid he looked unstopable at times. Schwartz will have the remaking of the world war I in camp this year damn it feels good to be a Lions fan.
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by SmittyJ on Feb 18, 2011 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jackson is over 30..
Not that its a huge deal, but Avril is a good deal younger.
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by CapitolLions on Feb 18, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
LOL...
I meant Corey Williams is over 30… duh. Disregard!
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by CapitolLions on Feb 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
lol... when I read your first reply I was already thinking you had Jackson confused w/Corey
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I think lowjack is the most complete & I’m eager to see
what he k do with a complete offseason under his belt.Avril k be so much better once he gets some counter moves.If there isn’t a stunt called everything is a speed rush to the outside.If he k show more I expect @ least a 12 sack yr.With the depth we have,looks like it will be another yr before we see the intriguing W.Young.
jpeezy your right.
Lo Jack is a beast cant wait for that Dline to bust loose this year. It will be intresting to see what actually happens with Young this season.
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by SmittyJ on Feb 18, 2011 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
what a line!
I’m really looking forward to this coming season, if it happens. While I’m excited to see a number of things I think I’m most excited to see how improved this line will perform.
I also voted Cliff but it was a tossup between LoJack and him. I think LoJack is just getting started and will have the epiphany year that Avril had this year. I think Avril will continue to improve and make for a tremendous presence off the side. Even if his stats weren’t as impressive as they could have been it doesn’t account for all the pressure he applied and all the times he help coral the play to others. I might be showing my homerism but I expect this unit to outperform ’10 and really wow some people.
Of the 3 not mentioned, Flu, Young, and Turner I do have the highest hopes for Young. I like what Flu brings to the table and would rather they keep him over looking to bring in someone else unless it’s a later round sleeper draft pick.
Young might have some potential, but I’m not holding my breath. They seem to like him and that’s good enough for me. Let’s hope he develops. I’m still surprised they didn’t try to convert him to LB.
Turner is a longshot wildcard guy to me. For those saying “who?”, he’s the guy we picked up midseason after KVB went down, when the Bears tried to move him back to their PS. He performed rather well next to Suh back at our farm team, but still went undrafted. He’s pretty small for the position but has shown himself as a capable pass rusher and able to drop into coverage. I’ve moved on from wanting to see Young moved to LB and hope that if they decide to keep Turner around for camp they try switching him over. Odds are he isn’t around on the 53 tho but if they see something out of him perhaps he’ll make it to PS. /shrug We have him as an exclusive rights FA so I would imagine he’ll be brought in to camp on the cheap at the very least.
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I don't think you'll see any drop off in Jackson's play.
He has just as much experience as Cliff but with a higher ceiling. I am actually thinking that LoJack gets into the mix early and often may not always come away with a sack but could assist, QB knock down or even rush a throw to be intercepted or thrown away.
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I really like our DLine situation right now.
I would like to see the Lions rotate the linemen more often. The Ends worked out pretty well this year mainly because KVB went down and Turk and Jackson picked up a lot of snaps. I think they played KVB too much. I know the guy never stops, but for the team’s sake and his own, I think we should sub him out more often.
I feel the same way about Suh and Corey. Suh played 70 more snaps than the next highest DT [Kyle Williams of Buffalo]. Seventy snaps is like playing an extra game. I think Sammie Lee has shown in 2010 that he is ready to take on a bigger load, and he should be getting more snaps from both Suh and Corey [who had the 10th most snaps among DTs].
If this team wants to be a serious playoff contender, we need to make sure that our best players have something left in the tank at the end of the year.
+1
I would love to see what SLH could do with C. Wil’s rep’s or even just more rep’s in general. I think that Schwartz and Gun have to have more trust in Turk and LoJack as well as SLH, i think that Lo takes the job from Cliff in camp the kid is beast mode and him and Suh could really benefit from one another.
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I went with Cliff
But I must say you left out a stat. Turk also had three FF on the QB, he has great potential.
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I feel like Turk, SLH and LoJack could easily for a lot of teams...
I agree with Turk and LoJack starting with Cliff playing on passing downs.
His run support is better but it is hard to argue against Jackson and McBride since they are so much more well rounded.
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by "His run support is better"
I mean Avrils run support was better this year than last, but still not better than Turk or Lojack
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by CapitolLions on Feb 18, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
WOW!!! For as good as Suh & KVB are I dont get that logic as you want your best players on the field.The coaching staff does a fine job of utilizing our depth in my opinion.These guys are absolute beasts with nonstop motors & you want to rest them more(head scratcher)Don’t worry once the back seven & running game improve the whole defensive unit will be on the field lest.
I can understand your point of view as well as NorthLeft's
You always want your best players on the field i agree but once you make it into the playoffs all those rep’s add up and start to take a toll on you. I admit that SLH isn’t no Suh but he is just as good as C. Wil and plugging him in for Suh and Corey won’t kill the defense. As for KVB he has a motor from hell and goes non stop every play all game long but you really wouldnt be losing anything subbing Turk and LoJack in as we all seen last year.
I love Suh and SLH can help keep Suh and Corey remain in the league longer by rotating in and out with them than not doing so.
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I agree with Smitty's summary above.
But also, keeping your best players fresher for the end of the game is important too. By subbing them out earlier in the game, they should be better able to mount a strong pass rush late in the fourth quarter.
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I just dont have a guess on this question poll
Suh is clearly the physical anchor of the D line and KVB is the mental anchor. Having two guys like this on a D line is flat out scary for an O coordinator.
Back to the poll question. I just do not know. Any one of those players mentioned has a chance to be successful and that is a product of a line that can damage you from every position. Most D lines in the league have 1 or 2 weapons. Our starting 4 can damage you from at least 3 if not all 4 positions (C Will was an unsung hero this year but he has some work to do with his concentration, the off sides gotta stop).
Who the hell do you double when you have 5 players lining up against 4 players that can all hurt you when single blocked? Add to that, the anticipated 5-2-4 or 5-3-3 that i expect to see this next season along with the 3-1-3-4. The versatility, strength and talent on this line causes problems all along the O line.
I remember a play where the Lions lined Turk (I think) on LDE and he completely bull rushed the TE that was left on an Island against him. The TE was in the QBs lap so fast there was nothing just he could do. I really hope the Lions do a lot more swapping out of starters this next season all along the D line. The talented Depth is there and a fresher D line plays stronger later into games.
The D line is the one position on the team that gives me those warm fuzzies when I think about its potential. I literally spend a ton of time each week just thinking of the different wrinkles a group of players like this could use to confuse a teams offense.
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I agree...
The front four is the new era Fearsome Foursome with depth.
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this might be
considered Heresy around here but I am all for a stud DE if one falls to us in the draft.
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I think where were at in the draft anything could happen.
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Not to me. I like Cameron Jordan if he falls to us.
Kerrigan, Watt, Clayborn, or Quinn I would pass on.
The DL is clearly the strongest unit on the team
Not only do you have Suh, you have Avril who’s probably our best pure pass rusher; KVB, a fantastic, non-stop leader; CW, tough, mean and underrated; plus guys like LoJack, Turk and SLH. I’m looking forward to seeing what they can do next season.
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wondering what other QB's are thinking...
If I’m A. Rogers I might be asking myself, just won Superbowl…check, still can can control when I urinate…check, have to face the Lions D-line twice a year….ahhh maybe I should retire? For that matter wonder how Cuntler feels about his boo-boo on his knee now or any other QB that has to face Detroit this year? Please Gunny play some 5-2 shit this year!
How do you make the DL better?
Besides another year of experience, recooping injuries, and "gelin’ " better. How do you make this team better.
When Suh was in college had the benefit of great DBs, and we all know what he did his senior year. He’s a run stopper that gets to the QB, because he can, but mostly because he pursues to the last second. If you give him 1 more second, it is like an eternity to this guys.
I say give the D-Line one more second. Make the QB’s struggle to find an open man for one more second, and I will show you some (more) banged up and bruised butted QB’s.
I just get all giddy thinking how much better these guys will be with a better back field.
Agreed
I can’t take anything away from Houston and Smith. The corner position is going to be a battle to watch in camp, i really like Berry, Pratt and McDonald all of whom we didn’t get to see alot of.
If i could add one player to the secondary it would be Richard Marshall, i also like Eric Wright but i think Marshall would be special in Detroit.
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