A remote possibility...
by KDawg on Mar 12, 2011 11:50 AM EST
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PrintHere I am, on the day that this Dawg was born, and I am bouncing ideas about the future of football around in my mind. With the NFLPA decertifying, they can now sue the NFL under the anti-trust laws. As such, they could also start their own league, without the current owners. I know that it is pretty unlikely, given the logistics of new ownership, stadiums, etc...but what if someone like Vince McMahon or Donald Trump or both were to back the idea? The XFL could become what the NFL once was. Of course they would not use the rules of the XFL, but with the former NFL players involved, the XFL could become what the NFL once was, back when there was an AFL and a USFL.
Thoughts?
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Happy Birthday KD
I don’t know if I would watch it. To me the players are responsible for this chaos as well as the owners. The NFL has 45 years of professional football tradition. That’s hard to just forget about. And would we watch the players on the Lions roster if they suddenly played for the New York Traffic Jammers ( apply any applicable name).
by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Mar 12, 2011 12:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thanks...:o)
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
No
The NFL has the market cornered any competing league will not survive. Thats the way it always has been and always will be probably. That and the teams always have lame ass names like the Traverse City Cherry Poppers and they try to hard to get everyones attention with sexy girls and fireworks they forget to put on a good product.
"Show me someone with an offseason and I'll show you someone in last place"- Ndamukong Suh ( All Pro, Pro Bowl, Pepsi Rookie of the year, AP defensive rookie of the year, Sporting news rookie of the year,
PCP 4 LIFE
lame ass names?
dude, the cherry poppers is a GREAT name, at least as good as ‘the bills’
Why pick on TC?
Look- I’d love to have a professional football team in Traverse City, but really? If they were to move a team up hear, they’d probably be called something like the Wolves (oh wait… we do have a semi-pro football team called the Wolves and nobody goes to the games). We could call them the Beach Bums (nope, that one’s taken too by the Frontier League baseball team). How about the North Stars? That would be the hockey team.
…Time for a tangent…
If the season is cancelled and there aren’t any games this fall, people will still get their football fix. They will attend high school games on Friday nights. They will go to college football games on Saturday. They will find something to satisfy their football cravings. As fans of the NFL Detroit Lions, we are the ones getting screwed in this situation. We pay to go to the games. We order the NFL package. We buy the products that advertise during the games. We buy merchandise to show our love for our teams. We put dollars in the hands of the owners. We put dollars in the hands of the players. We put dollars in the hands of everyone at the stadiums from the parking lot to the concession stand. WE DRIVE THE NFL. That 9Billion dollars… that’s there BECAUSE of US. Because we are the consumers and they WANT OUR MONEY. Until this labor situation is settled, I will not spend any money on any NFL merchandise or with any company that endorses the NFL- Players or Owners.
Sorry, but we need to take the power back. Who’s with me?
by Detroitfantc on Mar 16, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree NFL has it cornered
Hence the anti trust lawsuit ..
BUT it is the players we want to watch .. so if someone provided the logistics and a TV network like TBS/WB/Versus hopped in .. and a Trump or a McMohan provided overall framework .. this league will take off ..
NFL will back down .. open shop .. and buy them out ..lose a lot of value in the process ..
Think like a no ethics businessman like the NFL .. NFL had FOX, CBS and ABC/ESPN in their pocket .. why did NBC get games to broadcast suddenly ? .. so the only major network left out there doesn’t get in bed with a newly formed league …
Why take less money now and ask them to pay later in a lockout year .. so they have 4 Billion cash on hand to fight .. without players salaries, that would last a long time .. and no worry of obtaining loans from banks .. Use TV money .. awesome business decision ..
Very Very bad faith negotiating in every way and sense …
Just like...
The nba, right?
The players ruinedthe league.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
by CLF on Mar 12, 2011 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The NFL doesn't have anything cornered
That’s not what the anti-trust thing is about. The anti-trust thing is about establishing salaries and restrictions of trade across 32 separate businesses (the clubs).
i voted no b/c it would fail,, but not b/c of the owners
players know the nfl will be back they will not go to another new league and risk there future even more..
if anything they would go to the ufl witch allredey has the same rules other then OT…
Happy Birthday Kdawg.
As for the aother league, it could happen. I would believe if the lockout goes for a long period of time, the chances become greater that players may become tired of the NFL owners ways and jump ship. How many depends on the money, backing of a new league, ect.
The one thing working against it is it has been tried and failed before. If this drags for a long time and there is no NFL season, I could see a much more probability of a new league giving it a go. Time will tell, but I could see a person or group of people giving it a shot.
Have a great birthday.
Thanks LH
My take on it though is that the prior failures were due to the fact that the NFL was drawing all of the best talent etc.
Once upon a time the NFL itself had to start somewhere…I wonder how many people thought it would end up as successful as it is today?
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Happy Birthday
For me it is simple. If this is not worked out I will never watch another game involving any of these players ever again. They were the ones that walked away from the table and filed the decertification papers even as their other face was pretending to negotiate with the owners. They were the ones who already had a 60/40 split of the money and it was not enough. They are the ones that betrayed me. They are the ones who make gross and ridiculous amounts of money to play a kids game. They are the privileged ones who just crapped all over the hard working stiffs that support their premadonna asses. This is just me, how I see it and how I feel. I know the owners are not angels, but the grave wrong and breaking of my trust, for me personally, lies with the players and that idiotic union and its idiotic leaders. Like all unions, they start out good, and with a purpose and conviction. But along the way they always overextend the moral high ground and turn into a bunch of thugs bullying their way into inefficiency and a ridiculously lazy and overpaid work force.
Issues like medical coverage and retirement benefits I can totally understand the union on, things like fighting a rookie wage scale and forcing litigation I despise them for. If this all goes very wrong, I will never forgive those players or that union. They need to get their egos in check, before it gets checked for them.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
by Evilsmurf on Mar 12, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
And the most rediculous thing ever
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees are spearheading the anti trust suit? Really? They don’t heave enough millions already? Effing greedy bitches.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
by Evilsmurf on Mar 12, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Word... and Rec'd!
Thank god!… from the poll I was losing hope with POD.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Who else is gonna do it?
Tim Toone bet that will be just as effective LOL
"Show me someone with an offseason and I'll show you someone in last place"- Ndamukong Suh ( All Pro, Pro Bowl, Pepsi Rookie of the year, AP defensive rookie of the year, Sporting news rookie of the year,
PCP 4 LIFE
by The Profiler on Mar 12, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much explains how I feel
These owners, rich or not, invest billions into their team and make it possible for these half educated people to make more money than most of us will make in a lifetime. Without these owners and without an NFL, 70% of these guys are bagging groceries at the local Walmart. Seriously, what more could they ask for?
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by Latif Masud on Mar 12, 2011 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not happy with the situation as a whole
I agree with what you guys are saying, but on the other hand i disagree with the NFL owners trying to hide financial information from the guys who are making them all of their money. I can understand why the NFLPA is doing what they are doing…because what person in their right mind wants to sit idly while their employer gleefully rakes them over the coals?
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
If you ran a company would go running out and show all your records to your employees...
Its none of their business what the owners do with their money, come on seriously, I would love for the employees where i work to split 40% of the earnings
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
The thing is...
Lots of companies split percentages of the earnings with the employees. That’s the nature of the business.
Secondarily, it’s not THEIR money. It’s the player’s money.
You are talking about the % the players are getting now
and the difference the owners want back right?
Because, if you are saying NFL money is players money. We are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum.
I like Wins, Cheese and I also Like Cookies. If you don't. Wow. :P
Stephen...it is a matter of public record
All corporations must provide their financial info to the public when they trade stock publically, so what is the big deal?
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
The problem is the players are trying to use it for personal gain, they want more of the pie and I honestly dont think they need anymore money
what if the owners insisted on telling these guys they can only buy 1 house and 2 cars and have 2 kids and only eat out three times a week. And the players needed to turn in expense reports showing that theyre using their money wisely cause the owners dont want to hear it when they are pouting about money.
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
just think there is definately problems with the CBA but it wasnt that these guys playing now arent paid well enough
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
they want more?
I believe your anti union bias is affecting your “facts” on that one. The players didn’t make any moves in this to try and get more money. That was the owners and the players are calling their bluff on the notion their losing money now.
One other thing, would you sell something on consignment and then go in and take payment without seeing a bill of sale? That’s what the owners are asking the players to do by not providing the financial details to evaluate if they’re making appropriate payments. Nobody twisted the owners arm to sign the last CBA, they agreed to do so and should have to prove they’ve been honest with the books.
LeRon McClain is the back Detroit NEEDS! Make it happen Mayhew!!
didnt the owners say they would present their records through a 3rd party and then NFLPA didnt even care to see them...
It just seems like the players are saying they are entitled to more since the owners are taking home more..
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
kind of
I believe (correct me if I’m wrong) the league said no to divuldging any further records up until the final Friday. I believe in their final offer they did agree to releasing partial records going back 5 years to a 3rd party for audit. The union was asking for full financials going back 10 years. I suspect if the league had offered 5 years of full financials it might have been enough, I dont know tho.
My understanding is nothing in this whole CBA issue has been where the players are asking for more of anything (besides financial transparancy to justify NFL claims). The financial issue has been about the league justifying it’s claims for more money due to financial problems (either not making as much or even losing money, I can’t recall) and the union asking them to justify those claims. On top of that comes the issue when the league refuses to disclose info related to the percentage they’ve paid to the players per agreement it raises a big red flag about the honesty of the accounting. So it could be said the players think they should have taken home more if the owners minimized revenues, but that’s a strong allegation they’ve not directly made.
LeRon McClain is the back Detroit NEEDS! Make it happen Mayhew!!
Right
because 70% of NFL players are complete idiots without any type of skills whatsoever besides “bagging groceries”. 70% of NFL players are complete morons that aren’t capable of doing anything in life besides running fast and flipping burgers, correct?
Sounds like a pretty damn ignorant blanket statement to make to me. I must admit that I’m disappointed in you Latty Ice. These guys have dedicated their entire lives to the game of football, but because it’s not considered an intellectual trade they’re just a bunch of idiots? These guys all went to college, which means that they’re more educated then 46.1% of Americans, that being the percentage of Americans that never attend College in any way, shape or form.
It would appear that ignorance is still very much alive in America. Sad.
Yessir!
Most of the guys who aren’t making big money went to a full four years in college and have a degree. That alone guarantees you a management job in any number of brick and mortar stores, which is a comfortable way to make a living, albeit not glamorous.
The guys who dropped out early have already made more than a decent job pays in a lifetime several times over, barring a few rare exceptions. Even the idiots who spoiled a good thing (JaMarcus, Leaf) have made many times the lifetime net worth of the average American.
I don't know if they could handle a management position
because as we all know, degree or not, football players are a bunch of idiots. They just might be able to handle bagging our groceries, but a management position seems way too challenging a task for their feeble minds. Obviously football players have no leadership qualities whatsoever, and are simply mindless automatons that know nothing in life outside of hitting people and running fast.
Trust me.
I’ve worked under the kind of position I’m referring to, the people manning those positions are barely management. A person with a four year degree, a five year plan, and a good head on their shoulder doesn’t go to be a low-end manager at a retail store.
Point is, even the stoners with degrees in underwater basketweaving can make a respectable living, let alone the people who have college degrees and a drive to succeed. You don’t need any leadership skills or marketable qualities whatsoever, you just need to have a business decorum (EVERY NFL player has this), a degree, and a pulse.
I was definitely being sarcastic.
Though I think you already knew that. And where can I acquire this “underwater basketweaving” degree that you speak of? I feel like I’ve finally found my calling…
I'm extremely tired
My sarcasm detector is on empty right now.
I don’t know where you can get a degree in underwater basket weaving, but I imagine it’s a harder field than it looks. Soggy wicker makes brittle baskets!
but soggy wicker bends much easier!
its a double edged sword.
I like Wins, Cheese and I also Like Cookies. If you don't. Wow. :P
Mav
I have a 4 year degree in Accounting and it will not currently land me jack squat for a job…just saying.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Where?
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
I know you mean Kalamazoo...
But where is the job (what company) and what is the job?
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
i your series it is Sanderson and dehanne. we do ungrounded sprinkling systems and sod so a manual labor type job(i know it not what you went to school for but a job is a job nowadays).. you will get a good 50- 60 hours a week 8am- usually out by 10PM.. i have clocked out as late as 3 AM though
starts at 8 a hour but you can move up quick if you good worker..(once again not what you want i know)
we go all over lower MI mostly stick with zoo GR and Lansing
if you are interested let me know the season will be starting next week most likely and i will talk to my boss
i would try the taget thing first.. also dont restrct to just groucry stors.. try toysr’s best buy koals ect
i love my job but it is not for everyone
if you like working you ass off
if you like geting to the job site and seeing dirt rocky yard and leaving it with a nice flat green lawn(my fav part get to see the job from start to finsh)
then maybe it is for you
you get in shap so quick though nothing like diging a hole all fucking day… or lifting 30-60 pound rolls all day
Ahh
Been there done that…I used to work for a company that did both lawn sprinklers and golf course irrigation systems. I don’t think I want to do that again, even though I was operating a backhoe on the golf courses before all was said and done.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
yea i figured you wouldn't want to.. most dont lol
definitely not the job some one with 4 year degree wants to do…
we got bobcats though they are fun..
like i said though keep in mind kolas, best buy, dnummes sports, on and on all of that might not be what you want but as i am sure you know it looks better when you have some management experience
It was Baker Irrigation out of Sand Lake, MI
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
nvm after looking thme up i think i have..
i remember now b/c how the left a yard lol
the home owners had them do the system and us do the sod..
fuckers barred the heads like 5 inc above ground
Yeah...
When I was there, we made sure the heads were flush.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
My son has a 4 year degree in E*Commerce Marketing/Marketing research.
And has been looking now for 11 months, and can’t get hired. Loads of interviews, but loads of strokers looking for cold call sales, and all sorts of shady dealings.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
It is definitely ridiculous out there man
I graduated in March of 2009…so I have been looking for 2 years now, with no success. I have managed to get 2 seasonal jobs, which I am still doing.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Go work at a Target or something.
Seriously, a four year degree will get you a lower-management job in any brick and mortar store. Wal-Mart, Target, Meijer, etc.
It’s not glamorous, and it’s not in your field, and you may not have thought it your dream job, but it is certainly well above being a bagger at some grocery store. Full time hours with benefits? May not pay your loans off quick, but you’ll be comfortable.
Wal-Mart and Meijer will not hire me...
I tried that…lol
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
I could try Target maybe...
Never thought of that…
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Target probably would.
You just gotta find a place that’s hiring team leaders. They’ll take anyone with a four year degree, it doesn’t matter what it’s in.
Target’s also the kind of place that will hire regular employees and then notice they have a degree and offer them a promotion. I’ve seen that happen a couple times when my friend worked there.
At this point, I would take any job like that.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
See...
Most of these places list the requirement that you have a “Successful internship or work experience in related field”. Unfortunately I have neither…
This is Target’s requirements for an Accounting or Finance professional (there are no listed openings for “team leader”):
•4 year degree in Business: Finance or Accounting with strong academic performance (3.0 or above)
•Successful internship or work experience in related field
•Demonstrated leadership, collaboration, communication and decision-making skills
•Excellent analytical and problem-solving skills
•Strong planning and organizational skills
•Working knowledge of Microsoft applications (intermediate level of Excel)
I meet and exceed every single requirement except for the internship or experience.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
I found jobs listed under "group leader"...
And I am applying now…
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
If you're good with people
Look for openings as guest service team/group lead as well. You manage the people who manage the checking lanes and guest service counters.
boo!
i don’t blame the players here. the owners won’t open their books so how do we know where the revenue is? don’t forget the owners make gross Ridiculous money too—and they are the ones with the world class talent.
median salary for player is about $770K in 2009, median NFL longevity is only 3 years. the rookie wage scale needs to be fixed on the low end. minimum salary should be MUCH higher. also 18 games should be OFF the table…
unions have nothing to do with this since they decertified right? why do you bash unions? i don’t think unions have hurt the game of football at all. the union will be there to help some of these guys with their brain injuries later in life, the guys that can’t walk or use their hands from repeated injuries… the players put their asses on the line. the owners make money because they have a bunch of it.
by x$pcents IV on Mar 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i meant the players
are the ones with the special talents that we go to see… they get paid because we want to see the best. the owners are on the take.
by x$pcents IV on Mar 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Again no business men is opening up their books for people to check out all willy nilly...
Unions have ruined plenty in this country, how about auto workers who were getting paid over 70 dollars an hour. Oh dont worry they all got bonuses too, boy wish we bailed them out for more so they could have a bigger xmas bonus. 770k is not enough for the players huh, 40% isnt either hmmm, but they also want a new practice field, new jerseys, new turf, new airplane, equipment they only use once, all safety equipment, the owner is supposed to supply all of this on his damn near 50% of money… how bout they start paying for half the shit around the stadium instead. NO JOB GIVES THE EMPLOYEES 40%
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
That's a bald-faced lie.
I know several businesses that give their employers well over 40% of net income. Not every business operates on a business model that strives for maximal profit margins.
whos running a business and giving 40% to employees
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
Dude...you're wrong about this...sorry to say.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
the NFL is a special business
it is unique. it is difficult to compare to other types of businesses.
i believe we are talking here about profit and not revenue. problem is that profit can get re-directed or hidden into artificial costs if a business decides to dump profit back into building owner assets (new roof on stadium, new bathrooms, weight-training facilities, new “company” car). these could look like necessary investment but can actually be sneaky expenditures to build owners’ assets.
many businesses have profit sharing or pay out profit in dividends, stock options, or splits. however, we are dealing with a strange business model where the employees have unique talents and cannot be replaced by the labor market—at least not for years…
even engineers and doctors are generally replaceable parts…
there is only one megatron on earth. only one Suh.
IF THE HIGHEST PAID PLAYERS DONT STAND UP
WHO WILL? Did people forget that the OWNERS opted out of the previous CBA in 2008,while making a deal with the networks to receive money even if or when their is a lock-out. Those 3 FRANCHISE QBs are if not the MOST RESPECTED players in the NFL but also the faces of the team they play for. We watch games for the love of our TEAMS and our STARS on that team not the OWNERS I think what is forgotten the most in this is licensing part of this.
I have played a lot of VIDEO GAMES in my 30+ years and at first players were just NUMBERS on the field,diamond,rink or court. Why do you think JORDAN wasn’t on a lot of BB games in the 90s and the ones he was in some had PLAYER #23. He didn’t want the NBA to make a DIME off his NAME and not get his cut. It’s harsh but not illegal to maximise on your NAME when OWNERS do it all of the time.
COP:"Do you know why I pulled you over Mr. Dunn ?" ME:" Was I speeding officer?" COP:"A lil bit, but I really wanted to see a SORRY ASS DETROIT LIONS FAN UP CLOSE!" He gave me a ticket for 50 in a 45 zone. So I ask him his team. COP: DA BEARS HAHAAHAHAA
What's wrong with getting a network deal?
The owners were smart enough to realize that there was going to be a lockout and made sure they had their share of the cheese. Can’t blame the owners for that. Too bad the players weren’t smart enough to make sure their wallets were taken care of.
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by Latif Masud on Mar 12, 2011 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed
so we call the player greedy because some other 2nd party is totally using your name to make $$$? no way, i would do the same thing.
by x$pcents IV on Mar 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If a new league has the best players
It will be the best league to watch. Pretty simple if you ask me.
Happy Birthday KDawg
I say F the players and go Calgary Stampeders. We are going to the Grey Cup!!!!! May 8th is the draft. I am hoping that Vaughn Martin will slide to them in the 1st.
This is the Motor City. And this is what we do...
P.C.P ... Now with a Richer, and Bolder flavor
There simply aren't the stadiums avaliable
to launch a league that could handle the number of fans needed to pay the top level guys.
Happy B day Kdawg
I will be a fan of the Detroit Lions no matter who is playing for them. Need proof? 0-16.
The players, while adding an extra layer of interest to the game, will always change. The team, on the other hand, has always been where my passion lies.
I like Wins, Cheese and I also Like Cookies. If you don't. Wow. :P
Hmmmm.....
If this league turns into MLB or NBA…. Its all college for me.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
well.... yeah
but I am still a fan of hockey and baseball to some degree. The lockouts really damaged my fandom but did not destroy it.
I like Wins, Cheese and I also Like Cookies. If you don't. Wow. :P
could ramble on for hours on pros/cons of each parties stance
would probaley talk myself out of one arguement and into another time and again
lets just say the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and everyone that isn’t a owner/player/coach/union tool will suffer.
agreed
but we are the dopes that are paying for the product…big time! so maybe we don’t suffer if the product remains high quality. NFL parity is a beautiful thing. It is truly a great league.
by x$pcents IV on Mar 13, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy Birthday KD
I’m unsure if I could watch a new league. I follow the Lions, not a certain player, but I don’t know if the NFL would eve be the same. I hope it doesn’t come to that though.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
It could be awesome!
I too doubt this would/could happen, but it is a cool thought to contemplate. The best case scenario for me would be if a lot of key players signed on and work it so majority ownership is as a players group. If the operation and profits of the league are primarily reeped by the players and not the owners it could make it financially appealing. As far as where to play the games, I think if enough players sign on there will be some reasonably priced stadiums with NFL experience on the market. There would likely be some college stadiums available too.
I think it would be incredible if the current owners really took a huge financial hit due to this whole lockout CBA business.
LeRon McClain is the back Detroit NEEDS! Make it happen Mayhew!!
Thanks guys
I appreciate all of the kind birthday wishes…and I like this thread. I think this is a very interesting topic to contemplate.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
This is a tough situation
Normally I am unhappy with the way entrepreneuring works. It infuriates me when workers make low wages and those at the top who often times do not work nearly as hard as those at the bottom reap all the benefits. I understand that risk-taking should be rewarded, and I also understand that many of the workers at the bottom do not possess necessary skill to do the jobs of those at the top (although some probably do, and middle-management and specialization often skew this considerably). Overall though, I believe that the wage imbalance is just too great. I can understand owners and CEO’s making 10 times that of the average full-time employee, but in many cases we are looking at a disparity of 100 to 1000 times the pay scale and they are not doing even 10 times the work.
In the NFL situation this is different, because the average worker is making very good money. I would not have problems with CEO’s making very large sums of money if their workers made a more equitable amount (such as with the NFL). However, if one of the reasons for the increased wage is increased risk, I have problems with the NFL. Being an owner in this league is about the safest investment I can think of. All of these owners make money and if they didn’t they could move to LA and make it. If being an owner were as easy as buying stock everyone on Wall Street would be investing.
So what I guess I am saying is that the players are greedy assholes, and so are the owners, and I feel trapped because I love football, but I would love to make everyone involved make less money at this point.
the teams are darn near priceless commodities
However, if one of the reasons for the increased wage is increased risk, I have problems with the NFL. Being an owner in this league is about the safest investment I can think of. All of these owners make money and if they didn’t they could move to LA and make it.
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Mar 15, 2011 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
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