DeMaurice Smith....
by CLF on Mar 24, 2011 8:25 PM EDT
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Smith: It may not be enough, but right now as we speak Mike, How much money do the NFL teams provide to the former player pensions? The answer is zero.
Francesa: And that’s a disgrace.
Smith: It’s a disgrace.
Francesa: And your money [NFLPA] is disgraceful and your money is not nearly enough either.
Smith: If that’s a disgrace Mike…..teams pay nothing to former player pensions right now, and it’s been that way since 19…..it’s been that way since history…..I was going to date myself, but it’s been that way since the AFL and NFL merged. So I think it’s disgraceful that teams don’t pay anything to the former players who made this game great.
WOW... I can't believe the NFL teams have NEVER paid anything to former players pensions!!!
Oh, wait... they have? are you sure?....
SHEESH!!!.... check out th link above.
Seriously... this guy is a whacko... lets hope the judge gets this thing over quickly.
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The dumbest part is...
HE (SMITH) brought up this nonfactual bogus bullshit!
Blatant lie.
This may burn the NFLPA in court.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
what's this so-called
“401k” you speak of?
"Being an ugly woman is like being a man...You are gonna have to work"-Daniel Tosh
retired people
"If you don't invest very much, then defeat doesn't hurt very much and winning is not very exciting." ~Dick Vermeil
******
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer. I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That's what gets me aroused." ~Jim Schwartz
Its a fear
that all the computers will not work anymore and society will shut down on New Year’s the year 401,000.
Not 100% on that, but I’m pretty sure… I remember hearing something about it…
I see why the NFL
wants to stay away from that.
"Being an ugly woman is like being a man...You are gonna have to work"-Daniel Tosh
save for your own retirerment why trust other people. beef99 its a retirement that workers put fund in and companys match or put a set amount in a year im from ohio it might differ from state
I know what a 401k is.
I was being sarcastic, but momentarily forgot you can’t read sarcasm.
"Being an ugly woman is like being a man...You are gonna have to work"-Daniel Tosh
I'm just tired of fans arguing about crap they can do nothing about
This whole scenario does nothing for no one.
i have a signature now. it sets me apart from all of you schmuck blogger types. thank you for reading it.
Not an argument...
its pointing out the lunacy of some of the leadership.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
And it in no way will spawn yet another argument over who is right?
i have a signature now. it sets me apart from all of you schmuck blogger types. thank you for reading it.
by Nate D. on Mar 24, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could.
It more of an informative thread to make sure the fans are informed about players pensions and how they are funded.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
I see
i have a signature now. it sets me apart from all of you schmuck blogger types. thank you for reading it.
I did my best not to spin it...
not that I had too..lol…
The guy is a douche… (OOPS!)
Seriously though… its a good read about he history of NFL pensions. And I’d be more apt to side with the players if they would’ve negotiated and not litigated.
Furthermore, I would like to see more funds pushed to the retired players, even if that means the current players’ portion gets cut.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
No man, I got you
Nothing is worse than seeing the point you’re against being made over and over again. I’m sorta sour. But either way, I think the owners are just as terrible.
I’m just moreso tired of talking and hearing about it. I miss the days when we could all argue Matt Stafford’s career stats vs. Troy Aikman’s in his first 2 years…. sigh.
i have a signature now. it sets me apart from all of you schmuck blogger types. thank you for reading it.
Good news is...
The more Smith talks like this… the faster a resolution will come….lol.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
in not trying to bust your balls my dad is in the same boat but different job so i understaind there pain
Your dad's union leader lies to the media to gain support...
and make the owners of the company look bad?
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
if your united then there should be no media support. just like now where die hard lions fans look at us im done because we should be there extra back bone like KVB IS THEY DONE ASK HE WANTS GREAT NEST LIKE US SO I GIVE IN CFL
WTF????
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I gave up.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Lockouts/strikes have a funny way of making villians of everyone who's worth a damn in the mess.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
wow
I think the players should have free medical benefits for a life time.
Honestly though, those players make soooo much money. If they choose to spend the money they make over a career poorly, thats there choice. The bread they make now should last them a life time. But those athletes decide to hook themselves with a car, buy their moms a house and then develop gambling problems.
I would probably do those things too if I had that salary. But I dont, I’ll see maybe 1/100th of what the average veteran makes in probably 5-10 years. They’re spoiled already if you ask me, all things considered.
The players have gotten a new plan that actually help with that
Starting in 2009 the players have been able to contribute to a medical savings account (MSA). This is essentially a 401K account that the players can contribute to from their paycheck. But the NFL also deposits $25,000 each season into the account of each player. The account allows the players to continue medical coverage under the COBRA terms of the teams own health insurance policy after they retire. The money to pay the premiums can be taken from the medical savings account.
While the player is active the cost of medical insurance is paid by the team. That is an average of about $2500 per month for the player and their family because the players have a VERY good medical insurance plan. But once the player retires that cost will actually decreased because the risk of injury is considerably decreased when they are not playing any longer.
Keep in mind that this plan also removes the problems with pre-existing conditions since the player is retaining the same insurance policy that they had when they are playing. This obligates the insurance carrier to cover treatment for any health problems that continue past retirement.
Now let me ask you a question. Does your employer give you $25,000 per year in an account to help you pay your medical costs after you retire? Also, do you make so much money that contributing another $50,000 per season is probably not going to be missed much? The NFL rookie minimum is over $300,000 for the season and it goes up quickly every season afer that. These guys can put $50,000 per year in their MSA and don’t have to pay taxes on it when they do. When you are making $300K a season you really don’t miss what amounts to about $25K after taxes very much. A lot of these guys spend that much in stripper bars every year.
That is an average of about $2500 per month for the player and their family because the players have a VERY good medical insurance
And they are a huge risk for injuries.
Does your employer give you $25,000 per year in an account to help you pay your medical costs after you retire?
If I worked in a field where there are serious lingering injuries after retirement. My uncle was injured on the job at Ford and they still pay his medical expenses.
But, as my current boss has often told me, it is all in what you negotiate for. I could demand from my current employer that they give me $25k a year after retirement for medical and they can decide if they want to pay that and keep me or not and let me go. If they agreed to it, then who cares how much it is.
One more point...
If all else fails the player can sie the team for medical benefiots because of playing injuries. It is pretty much a guarantee that the player will win such a law suit because prior case law sets a strong precedent that employers are responsible to pay medical costs for injuries that are incurred by employees because of their employment. Once the player wins the law suit the team will be forced to pay the legal fees of the player as well. So most teams will simply pay these medical costs long before they go to court. This is another straw dog put up by the players that really is not as serious as it is made out to be.
they should’ve had a contract then all car companys did. I see your point but u cant change the past. i know its not the same but they could’ve done a strike then for those players
dude...are you drunk.
The Leader of the NFLPA is blatantly lying to gain favor in the media.
That is what this thread is about.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
What ever you're smoking...
I want some!
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
I think you mean...
that many players crossed the picket line to play with the replacement teams.so that the striking players lost their bargaining power. You single out Montana, but he was one of about 150 players that crossed the picket line by week 4 and that included a dozen 49ers. Montana was clear that he did not feel the players got such a raw deal from the owner of the 49ers and most of the rest of the 49ers players felt the same. This is one of the reasons that I rooted for the 49ers in those years. They had a lot of stars but they did not act like primadonnas.
your posts are incoherent.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
i really dont care if they(owners) do or dont
give pensions. If they cant manage their money and start a 401k or IRA they have no buisness making that kind of money(even the practice squad players) I for one am not supplied with a pension and i work for a large beer company. they give me access to a 401k. if these guys put 10% in an IRA they will have more money than jesus at retirement. should owners supply pensions NO should the NFL give these guys free health care yes. pensions pfft
+100000
If I can provide for my own pension, they should be able to.
by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Mar 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stick to the facts, DeMaurice.
The owners are far more experienced at propagandist bullshit than you, don’t quit your day job.
Actually he should quit his day job.
Then this would go a lot smoother
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by Enforcer on Mar 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually... with more interviews like this...
the faster litigation may be….
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
I have always thought that DeMaurice is out for his own fame
and he really does not have the players best interest in mind. And to take in account that most players do not manage their own money. Nor do that really know everything that is in their own contract. DeMaurice is playing on the players ignorance in this situation.
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Agreed
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Beating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
I think you meant
“expected”
though, I guess “suspected” does still apply to an inaccurate statement such as Smith’s…
DeMaurice Smith is a lying pice of shit.
There is no damned wonder he wants this negotiation to launch him into a political career. He already lies like a damned politician. Here is the part of the previous CB that applies…
ARTICLE XLVII
RETIREMENT PLAN
Section 3. Contributions: For the 1993 Plan Year and continuing for each
Plan Year thereafter that begins prior to the expiration of the Final League
Year, a contribution will be made to the Retirement Plan on behalf of each
NFL Club as actuarially determined to be necessary to fund the benefits
provided in this Article, based on the actuarial assumptions and methods
contained in Appendix J. No provision of this Agreement will eliminate or
reduce the obligation to provide the benefits described in this Article, or
eliminate or reduce the obligations of the NFL Clubs to fund retirement
benefits. Contributions will be used exclusively to provide retirement benefits
and to pay expenses. Contributions for a Plan Year will be made on or
before the end of each Plan Year. Benefit Credits for future seasons and benefits
subject to Retirement Board approval, if any, and contributions, if any,
for Plan Years beginning on and after the expiration of the Final League Year
will be determined pursuant to future collective bargaining agreements, if
any. It will be the duty of the Retirement Board of the Retirement Plan to
pursue all available legal remedies in an effort to assure timely payment of
all contributions due under this Agreement.
So how the hell does DeMaurice Smith claim that the owners are not contributing to retirement. That is a damned bald-faced lie. This man is almost single-handedly the reason that I just cannot stomach the negotiating tactics being used by the NFLPA. They are lying about damned near everything and they cover their lies by accusing the owners of lying. Well, I have done a lot of fact checking and neither side is entirely accurate in their claims. But the owners are just stretching the truth while the NFLPA is spindling and mutilating the truth so badly that you can’t even call what they say just a lie. They are purposeful distortions designed to manipulate the media coverage that have nearly ZERO truth in them. They say whatever they need in order to spin for public opin0on and they do it without any conscience whatsoever. It is damned evil and completely disrespectful of every fan that watches the game to think we are that damned stupid to buy that shit.
Here is more info for you...
This is an excellent Sports Illustrated article from 2007 that talks about the NFL retirement system…
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_mccann/09/18/hearings/index.html
Please note that in the article the author places a large part of the blame on the players for not being more realistic about the length of their careers and spending money like drunken sailors instead of planning for their future. He talk about “optimism bias” and how players always feel they will play longer than the average of three and one-half seasons that NFL players actually get.
As you would expect, the author finds that the system is neither as bad as the players claim nor as good as the league claims. But when you investigate what the players actually get from the owners toward their pension, you find that it is a more generous contribution than almost anybody else gets.
So on top of all that, the NFLPA’s big, non-court leverage play is to put these future NFL players in the middle of an uncomfortable decision: Either they anger their future bosses by attending the NFLPA party, or they anger their future teammates by attending the draft?
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
DeMaurice Smith...
Bad for the Formerplayers…
Bad for the Future players…
Bad for the current players….
With his leadership, the NFLPA and all its gaffs have made the Owners’ day in court alot more promising.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
An honest question....
Why is the public opinion so damn important, anyway?
This might seem like a stupid question, but I seriously don’t understand. Isn’t the court gonna decide what happens next? How does public opinion effect the outcome here except for maybe convincing me (and others like me) not to buy NFL merchandise? (In which case both sides lose)
I don’t see why DeMaurice Smith doesn’t just STFU until after the hearing. I mean, whenever I was involved with some sort of legal proceeding no matter what side I was on, I was ALWAYS told to just shut up, and not talk to anybody about anything that had to do with anything that was even close to the case. Why is this different? Can somebody enlighten me? Because I feel like I’m missing something.
word...
I was ALWAYS told to just shut up, and not talk to anybody about anything that had to do with anything that was even close to the case.
Its crazy isn’t it?
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Wait...soo let me get this straight
The NFLPA expects even MORE pensions for working at a job for less than a decade even after they got paid millions?
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Actually,
According to the head of the NFLPA, the NFL Owners have NEVER, NEVER, EVER funded any pensions for past or present players.
That is what this thread is saying.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
I wonder whats next...
The NFL should give retired players a mansion, a stock option on the team and at least three lambos b/c we gave the franchise five years while the rest of America spends 30+ years at their job and come away with a little more than their social security benefits
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by Latif Masud on Mar 25, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This post isn't about the benefits...
Its about the Head of the NFLPA lying about the benefits.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
lol
I know….I’m just saying how outrageos it the fact that they GET pension for playing on average five years and then they are lying about it…
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by Latif Masud on Mar 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no issue with pensions....
Cause pensions aren’t paid out until retirement or disability.
Furthermore, I agree with pensions for former players that really were paid quite poorly in the 60s and even into the 70’s.
And when you look at the increases in salaries of the players from oh… 1997 to 2009… its staggering and obnoxious.
The main reason I’m on the Owners’ side of this(barely) is the fact that there is no acknowledgement by the players on how rediculously they’re being paid…. AND their irresponsibility to fight for and/or fund former or severly injured players, and/or prevenative saftey measures.
The fact that they point to the NFL to fund everything is ludicrous, especially when at the same time… they say hell no to a cut. They want their cake made to their preference and then want to eat it too!
Furthermore, DeMaurice Smith puts this interview out? for what? To totally bastardize the NFL? He’s acting like an agent for the OWners…lol…
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
I kind of do...
Sure, players were poorly paid back in the 60’s and 70’s but there are plenty of professions that paid poorly then and pay well now, or the other way around where they paid greatly then and pay poorly now. Pensions shouldn’t be dependent on how much they got paid….its the government’s job to take care of underpaid retiree’s not the leagues or businesses that employed them.
Besides, these players are about 30 or 35 when they exit the league. Assuming that they retire at 65, that still gives them a nice three decades to figure out retirement money. Most people are just finishing off paying their college debt around that time anyways.
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….its the government’s job to take care of underpaid retiree’s
That’s where I disagree.
To each his own. You don’t save… you don’t retire.
As for the NFL’s “JOB” to take care of the players… I have no problem with “perks” and “Benefits” being apart of compensation.
Its when the entire compensation level gets out of wack to the point it drains from the overall product, business operations, and future expansions… THAT’s when (and where we’re at) the NFLPA needs to make concessions.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
emphasis on underpaid...
Guy works his whole life at McDonalds and barely makes minimum wage, then he should get some help from the guberment when he can’t work anymore.
I don’t have issues with perks either, but a full blown pension? Thats taking it a bit too far IMO
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He does get help from the government.
Its called welfare.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
but a full blown pension
Pensions are not the “bee’s knees”…lol… you’re making too much of it… look up how much retired players are getting….
Its more of a suppliment pay for retirement…. which varies by how many years they played in the NFL.
its not much at all.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
not much at all= as little as $250/month...
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
what a bad man
I denounce my support of the players, but I also do not support the owners.
People are acting so personally offended by the demands of the players, the demands of the owners equating it with our own personal lives as business owners, employees, union members, retired, etc..
while most of us would be happy to make anything close to what either said is making a year from the game of football.
the $10 million Green Bay cleared, however much Jerry Jones cleared, the $15 million for Peyton, and even the $325,000 rookie min, or $5g a week for 17 weeks of the practice squad
I am not concerned with the precedent opening the books would set, and I think the players are making good money.
That neither side can see to work out a deal is just idiotic- while so much of the country struggles to pay everyday bills, have work, and put food on the table, shelter over head.
I don’t think either side really cares about us – the fans – so why should I care who “wins”?
I’ve waited a lifetime to see the Lions win, and now that it looks like we are on the verge of being special well, I just want to see it happen.
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Mar 25, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
Watch out for the cars!
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 25, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
so should retired professional fisherman
get a pension? No they should have planned for the future while they were still working like most responsible people do. as i see it NFL players are self employed. they basically get paid on job performance and contract negotiations(which they hire a agent to do) . If i was gonna be a pro sports player i would have rode my scholarship and studied sports management so i could represent my self in contract negotiations and take what i would have paid a agent and stick it in an IRA. how bout the owners take away the pension and give each player access to Fidelity and match a percentage depending on how much that player is set to make. I’m ranting
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