Lockout Back ON. BOOOO
by j16941 on Apr 29, 2011 2:03 PM EDT
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So the Owners have received a temporary Stay, on the ruling from earlier this week.
In short, I guess this means the doors are locked again this afternoon. On Monday, hopefully we will have a more deffinite decision on whether the appeal will be granted or not. And hopefully this does not delay the Lions plans to start OTA's next Wednesday.
All I know, is I am sick of this shit. I hope all the fans at Radio City Music hall get wind of this before the 2nd round starts up today. And they make the Heat Goodell took last night look like a Standing Ovation.
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FOR FUCKING REAL
GOD DAMN!
I hope they fucking flay Goodell alive.
I’m fucking PISSED.
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
The sky isn't falling.
This is just a temporary stay while they appeal the actual stay itself, it’s not a complete stay to have the lockout go full on until the real appeal.
Figured.
A temporary stay makes sense until Eighth District gets a chance to hear the argument on why a permanent stay is necessary.
I just hope we get a Ruling on Monday or Tuesday.
and that it denies the Stay, so that we can proceed as planned on Wed. I’m sick of this shit dragging on and on and on and on.
"Lemme Tell you why I have confidence in the long term future of this team... It's #9, That's why I have confidence in the long term future of this Team." - Jim Schwartz
that's part of their plan man... they are lawyering us to death... with all these crazy lawyer terms.
"Lemme Tell you why I have confidence in the long term future of this team... It's #9, That's why I have confidence in the long term future of this Team." - Jim Schwartz
Thank the NFLPA.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Its a legal move with regards to litigation...
Hence the Players locked themselves out.
Who initiated the legal battle?
Who walked from negotiations?
Yeah, those damn owners… fuck them and their business practices….lol.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Dude, there's no way this was initiated by the players
I don’t know if you were paying attention, but the owners opted out of the previous CBA which started this whole thing.
The players are doing their best to protect their financial interests (as are the owners). This whole thing was DEFINITELY motivated by the owners opting out of the previous CBA. The legal battle that ensued was a direct result of the owners’ actions not vice versa.
I’m not saying the owners shouldn’t have done what they did (I’m not privy to the specific financials) but saying the “players locked themselves out” is ignoring how this thing became an issue in the first place.
Don't hate the playa... hate the game.
;P
Was the “opt out” provision in the CBA available to both sides and agreed to by both sides?
If so, that’s not a good way to protect your financial interests… by allowing the other party to opt-out.
And to not have a contingent plan to the other party opting out, is also a pretty weak strategy for protecting your financial interests.
…. unless of course, your plan was in fact to litigate if the other party opted out…. BUT if that is the case…. it wouldn’t of been the owners fault…
So in the end.. you just said, in so many words, that the NFLPA are a bunch of morons unable to properly plan a competent strategy for securing their financial future… there fore the Owners are to blame.
WOW.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Of course litigation was the plan!
I don’t think there was any question that the players were going to take this thing to court. Look who they got to be in charge of this thing- a freakin’ lawyer. And you think the owners weren’t planning on litigation happening when they opted out of the CBA?? Of course they were. They knew that was gonna happen. It was part of the plan, as proven by the TV deal they made.
If the players win this (and it is looking more and more like that will happen), it seems to me to be a VERY competent strategy for securing their financial future.
I think you are suggesting that I think the NFLPA were a bunch of morons for accepting the previous CBA?? We all know that deal was GREAT for the NFLPA’s financial interests. The “opt out” option was a way to get the NFL to agree. And they did. Bam!
If anyone is a moron here, it is the owners for not planning around this. As everything that happened following their decision to opt out of the CBA, was apparently predicted by them. If they lose the case, they should’ve opted out later on, when they had a stronger legal plan. This whole thing is happening because they chose to opt out now.
Dude, there’s no way this was initiated by the players
lmao…. you must have a big mouth to be able to talk out of both sides like that…lol.
So the players planned this from the beginning… and its the Owners fault.
Thanks for clearing that up!
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
It seems...
from your big mouth comment, you believe “initiated” is synonymous with having a “plan”.
I’ll make it simpler for you, as you obviously have misunderstood my post:
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The players were happy with the previous CBA. If the owners did not “initiate” a change, there wouldn’t have been one.
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Who wanted to change the status quo?
We’re not talking about blame, or fault, (don’t know where that came from, I explicitly state earlier, “I’m not saying the owners shouldn’t have done what they did”) I’m talking about who “initiated” the lockout and hence, the ensuing legal battle, as you originally said.
However, since you apparently aren’t really familiar with “initiate” as a separate term from “planning for”, as the “talking out of both sides” comment suggests, it really makes my whole point moot. That’s because I was disagreeing with you when I thought you meant the players “initiated the legal battle”. Who knows what you ACTUALLY meant by “initiated”?!
I thought you meant “initiated”.
(Man! I think we need an “off-season vocab weight room”. lol.)
You're right...
I don’t know why I thought the players initiated this legal battle.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
True...
The players could’ve stopped this BS at any time. (But I see the lawsuit itself as a reactionary action.)
There’s plenty of blame to go around. I think both sides are just trying to screw the other side.
I just had to spend $800 to fix my car and that puts me back like 4 months! To think how much $800 means to me right now, and what these jaggoffs are fighting over. Man, this makes me angry! I think my blood pressure has risen since this has started. Can I sue the NFL for that? Who’s with me? Class action suit- us fans vs. NFL! Screw this! We’ll retire on their money!
Hope you deloused...
…after getting into bed with sleazy hillbilly Jerry Richardson and Daniel Snyder (the force behind the lockout, they essentially told the respectable owners like Rooney who didn’t want the lockout to sit down and shut up). The owner’s have perpetually negotiated in bad faith especially with the ever-growing mysterious “expenses” that they were using to manipulate the final cap number and refusing to open their books at all to verify (and the owners should have open books as my tax dollars are paying for their damn stadiums anyways).
The owners wanted this in an effort to break the players union and go back to the pre-unrestricted free angecy days when the players salaries were around $500,000 so they could get all the money. So very “sorry” to see it blow up in their greedy faces.
by Mister Gloom on Apr 30, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So its not just a clever name?
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
The expenses aren't that mysterious
If you care to read the old CBA they are clearly spelled out. They are used for things like upgrades and repairs to stadium facilities, NFL Charities, and the NFL Network.
Let me ask you about two points here:
First, the money spent on NFL network results in profits that are also split with the players. So are you saying that it is wrong for the owners to expect the players to also share in the cost of running NFL Network when the players get to have about half the profits from it?
Furthermore, when the past CBA was ratified in 2005, the $1 billion exemption for overhead was about 16.7% of the overall NFL revenues. The players were originally fine with a 16.7% revenue exemption at that time and they agreed to it during the union ratification of the CBA. If the exemption were to be restored to the 16.7% level that the players agreed to in the ratification of the previous CB that would result in a $1.5 billion exemption now that the NFL makes about $9 billion per season. During the previous mediated negotiations in Washington the owners offered to accept a $1.35 billion exemption instead. That figure is still below the 16.7% exemption that the players had agreed to in the 2005 CBA ratification.
My second question is, since the players are making such a big deal about the owners asking them to take a smaller percentage of total revenue, and that is the basis of their complaint, why do they feel it is fair for them to expect the owners to take a smaller percentage of revenue for the overhead exemption than they agreed to in the 2005 CBA ratification? Isn’t that clearly two-faced on the part of the players?
Frankly, I have a feeling you are just reacting with a typical class envy mentality and just reflexively hate the owners.
this is ridiculous
obviously even management REALLY wants to get football activities going. No one wants to deal with this shit besides a few billionaires who are just stubborn at this point…
"His lateral agility is unprecedented. Reports claim he has literally been seen in two places at once."- Mav
You have to remember
that all of this is int he courts instead of being settled in negotiations because the players chose to litigate. If the players didn’t choose that option and sat down in good faith at the negotiating table we would probably have an agreement by now. The players are actually just as much at blame for this situation. They walked out of mediated negotiations in Washington D.C. Then they disbanded their union and filed the law suit all before the owners locked them out.
So who chose this path?
Wait....Wait.... hold on. Now it is off again.
But the article says it is expected….. these guys are a joke.
"Lemme Tell you why I have confidence in the long term future of this team... It's #9, That's why I have confidence in the long term future of this Team." - Jim Schwartz
Schottey Michael Schottey
by lionsinwinter
RT @Insider: 8th District Appeals Court Clerk Michael E. Gans says no ruling issued either way. Reports of lockout back on are erroneous.
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
WTF MAN!!!
Like a Magnum condom on a 10 year old. It’s on, It’s off. It’s on, It’s off again..
"WR Brandon "I'll stab you bitch" Marshall (who finally got stabbed himself for once) had 10 catches for 102 yards and no TDs". - KDAWG
Pissed off, Pissed on!
"WR Brandon "I'll stab you bitch" Marshall (who finally got stabbed himself for once) had 10 catches for 102 yards and no TDs". - KDAWG
by KevinZ418 on Apr 29, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
hahaha Rec'd
"Lemme Tell you why I have confidence in the long term future of this team... It's #9, That's why I have confidence in the long term future of this Team." - Jim Schwartz
It will work itself out
Not on our timing though. Listening to the Falcons GM it sounds like due to the labor situation and made that big trade because of not thinking they would have free agency. I agree with Mayhew more, who is acting as if it will work out eventually and we are not changing our plans.
What were the Falcon's thinking?
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
According to their GM
They wanted impact, had more picks than open spots on their roster AND is so uncertain that free agency may not happen or not happen in time for the season.
Sounds like the Falcons are fucking retarded...
What moron would think there wouldn’t be free agency and all of those players sitting out there will be forced out of football? LMFAO!
Like usual, ESPN jumped the gun on the story
Nevertheless, we have to prepare ourselves for the idea that the lockout will be back after the draft is done, if not before. We all hate the idea of this, but from a legal perspective it is pretty common for the defendant to get a stay of the lower court judgment pending appeal. Our courts are reluctant to allow a lower court ruling to cause actions that are irreversible pending the outcome of an appeal. They would try to restore the “status quo” instead.
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