2011 NFL Draft Grades For All Of The Detroit Lions' Picks, Acquisitions
After last year's NFL Draft, I had you guys vote on the picks made by the Detroit Lions and then separately had you vote on the draft after factoring in all of the trades they made as well. During the 2010 NFL Draft they made six picks, but adding in the other transactions resulted in a much longer list of players that included the likes of Rob Sims and Corey Williams.
This year I want to do the same thing, because looking at only the picks made during the 2011 NFL Draft doesn't tell the whole story. It's also important to look at what they did with picks that were traded away, so let's break this down step-by-step, starting first with the five players that were drafted.
- Round 1 - No. 13 - DT Nick Fairley (Auburn)
- Round 2 - No. 44 - WR Titus Young (Boise State)
- Round 2 - No. 57 - RB Mikel Leshoure (Illinois)
- Round 5 - No. 157 - LB Doug Hogue (Syracuse)
- Round 7 - No. 209 - OT Johnny Culbreath (South Carolina State)
- Round 3 - No. 75 - Traded to Seattle as part of the deal that allowed the Lions to move up to pick Mikel Leshoure (this pick was essentially swapped with the 57th overall selection)
- Round 4 - No. 107 - Traded to Seattle as part of the deal that allowed the Lions to move up to pick Mikel Leshoure
- Round 5 - No. 140 - Given to Kansas City as part of the swap of fifth-round picks resulting from the tampering charges against the Lions
- Round 6 - No. 173 - Traded to Seattle for Lawrence Jackson, who had 34 tackles and six sacks in 11 games last season
- Round 7 - No. 210 - Traded to Atlanta (along with a 2010 sixth-round pick) for Chris Houston, who had 56 tackles, 12 pass defenses and one interception in 15 games last season
Finally, let's see what the Lions did with picks they acquired and later moved.
- Round 5 - No. 154 - Originally received from Kansas City as part of the swap of fifth-round picks resulting from the tampering charges against the Lions; later traded to Seattle as part of the draft-day deal that included a swap of fifth-round selections (the Lions moved down three spots)
- Round 6 - No. 186 - Originally received from Philadelphia for a 2010 seventh-round pick; later traded to Denver as part of the deal to acquire Alphonso Smith
- Round 7 - No. 205 - Originally received from Denver as part of the deal to acquire Alphonso Smith; later traded to Seattle as part of the draft-day deal that included a swap of seventh-round selections (the Lions moved down four spots)
- Round 7 - No. 231 - Originally received from NY Jets for Kevin O'Connell; later traded to San Francisco for Shaun Hill, who threw for 2,686 yards, 16 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in 11 games last season
In all, the Lions controlled 14 different 2011 NFL Draft picks at some point, matching their total from last year. They used five of those picks to take players in this year's draft, four to acquire players already in the league that played last season for them, four to help make the deal with Seattle to trade back into the second round for Mikel Leshoure happen and one to help satisfy the NFL's tampering punishment. When you take all of that into consideration, this is what the Lions' 2011 draft looks like with the picks that were used to select players and to acquire players factored in.
- Round 1 - No. 13 - DT Nick Fairley (Auburn)
- Round 2 - No. 44 - WR Titus Young (Boise State)
- Round 2 - No. 57 - RB Mikel Leshoure (Illinois)
- Round 5 - No. 157 - LB Doug Hogue (Syracuse)
- Round 6 - No. 173 - DE Lawrence Jackson (from Seattle)
- Round 6 - No. 186 (and TE Dan Gronkowski) - CB Alphonso Smith (from Denver)
- Round 7 - No. 209 - OT Johnny Culbreath (South Carolina State)
- Round 7 - No. 210 (and a sixth-round pick in 2010) - CB Chris Houston (from Atlanta)
- Round 7 - No. 231 - QB Shaun Hill (from San Francisco) (Side note: Detroit essentially acquired Hill for Kevin O'Connell, who spent all of five days on the roster. That's just awesome.)
When you take all of this into account, now what grade do you give the Lions for the 2011 NFL Draft? I think you can guess what I gave them.
For more coverage of the 2011 NFL Draft, check out Mocking The Draft, SB Nation's NFL Draft hub, SB Nation Detroit's NFL Draft StoryStream and Pride Of Detroit's 2011 NFL Draft archive.
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Uhh...
Fairley, Leshoure, Young, LoJack, Phonz, Houston, and Shaun Hill?
No brainer. 3 immediate impact guys and 3 impact guys from last season? A+
I gave the draft itself a B-, but this is an A+++++++
Mayhew absolutely made the most of the draft this way, and it shows. In 2 years, he’s bascially undone 10 years of damage by HWSNBN…
I figured it’d take AT MINIMUM 3 years before we would begin to see the team start to coalesce. As it stands, we’re easily in the top 15 in the NFL in talent, and by all accounts will be pushing for our first playoff birth in 12 years.
Unbelievable job, FO. Never thought I’d say that in my lifetime.
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
MAYHEWED
Suh,Fairley,Williams and Hill with the 4 horseman ride or choose your fate and die!
PCP 4 LIFE
*Mayhew'd
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
I'm not going to give him a reach around...unless they win the S.B....
But at least the guy is trying. I may always agree with everything and I do think they still they stroke the public too much, but the guy will turn over every rock to improve.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on May 1, 2011 8:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love reading that, and I HATE to argue the logic....
..but, lol, what would other teams “drafts” look like if they were counted like this? Is anyone or no one else making use of low round picks like this?
"To achieve victory, we must mass our forces at the hub of all power and movement, the enemies center of gravity." -Carl von Clausewitz
Not NEARLY as much as Mayhew
That guy is far more active than many GMs in the NFL
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
i said "b"
but depending on free agency/etc, i’m open to change that, trust me, i want them t change my mind
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly
should have taken leshoure in the second if they wanted him that bad, and kept the 3rd rounder, imo
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
could've
gotten a reciever just as serviceable later
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So that knocks it down from an A to a B for you?
I agree completely, but what you’re saying is a 4th round pick is the difference between a good and a great draft… which I disagree with.
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
Hm.
I’m not happy with ‘serviceable’. Derrick Williams is ‘serviceable’. Titus Young was 3rd/4th talent wise on many peoples’ boards when it came to WR talent, and he’s fast as hell. I’m willing to bet they figured he’d be snatched up a pick or two after if they picked Leshoure, and I’m betting Young was higher on their board. If you go off of production, he’s one of the most coveted receivers that declared for the draft this year, and could take our offense to another level. I’ll take that over ‘serviceable’ any day of the week, and twice on Sunday (when it counts most :P)
Just to clarify
I mean 3rd/4th in the order of talent, not 3rd/4th as in he’s a 3rd or 4th ROUND talent. Don’t want people getting confused.
Derrick Williams isn't serviceable
He’s nothing. Period.
by motown313 on May 1, 2011 8:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I said that last season and got beat up.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on May 1, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I must not have been around when you said that delusional
I would have road in with the 5th Calvary horns a blowing to the rescue if I had seen that. Williams was a good try but he was brought in for 1 thing and 1 thing only, to be a return guy and he failed miserably at that. and he is even worse at being a WR. . . .
How many lumps you want Doc?
I agree to an extent
while I think we would’ve gotten better value by taking Leshoure in R2, CB C Brown in R3 and WR E Gates in R4, there was no way at the time to know that those guys would be there when when we picked.
by motown313 on May 1, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Timing
Mayhew doesn’t think so…i think when you see young opposite of CJ with burleson being savvy in the slot you will be very very pleased. the way i look at it we got quality players who fit the system with just about every pick..usually teams are lucky if they hit on 40% if them……..this was a great draft
Lets Go Red Wings!!!
im happy
i just wouldn’t call it a slum dunk A, hell i don’t know if i’ve ever given someone an A for a draft, so i’m just a tough grader i guess, but overall, i’m happy with the draft and the f.o., don’t get me wrong
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i think so
i was online looking at hi-lites/etc/ on the new guys, saw it somewhere, an auburn football site i think. i had to use it, it’s just to good.
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
this is where i saw it
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/22766651/Probably-Germans—Nick-Fairley-Quote.aspx
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
now that i read more of the posts there, they’re saying it’s fake, so i’m going to take it down
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's awesome
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on May 1, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wish
it hadn’t turned out to be fake, that would’ve been my sig for the season
The function of football, soccer, basketball and other passion-sports in modern industrial society is the transference of boredom, frustration, anger and rage into socially acceptable forms of combat. A temporary subsitute for war; for nationalism; identification with something bigger than the self.
Edward Abbey
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the replacement quote anyways
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
Lol at people that didn't say A
Its never enough is it? Most people give our draft an A without including all the players we traded picks for what the hell do you people expect? Why dont you tell me what would constitute an ‘A’ for you?
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer. I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me aroused." - Jim Schwartz
at least
one lb or corner, with no guarantee that their will be a free agency this year
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
there were not quality corners or LB when we went in the second. you take what you can get.
mayhew can probably trade for another CB and LB for a bag of skittles.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!
im
just worried that these idiots will screw up us getting a free agency period this year
"I just do what I do. The football field is my playground, I'll do what I want as long as it's legal. If you don't want your QB snapped in half, get in my way and stop me." - Nick Fairley
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i think everyone is...but either way we have to build for the future
..even though it can be very painfull
"Well what can I say? I have a weak neck and spasms in my hands and legs...thats the way god made me I guess" - Joe Pavalski
agreed
all of this labor shit would just have to happen right when the lions start to get good, typical (l.c.t.) lions chaos theory, the old guys should remember that phrase, lol
The function of football, soccer, basketball and other passion-sports in modern industrial society is the transference of boredom, frustration, anger and rage into socially acceptable forms of combat. A temporary subsitute for war; for nationalism; identification with something bigger than the self.
Edward Abbey
by yooperlionfan on May 1, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
there were not quality corners or LB when we went in the second. you take what you can get.
I’d say Brandon Harris and Martez Wilson were quality players. That being said, I voted “A” and am happy with Titus. I mean, if he gets Calvin single coverage, he’s worth a first right?
Harris is 5'10" 191lb
hes a player but the last think we need is another undersize corner…ill stick with young or leshoure
Wilson is decent but he grades out alot lower than young and leshoure.
"Well what can I say? I have a weak neck and spasms in my hands and legs...thats the way god made me I guess" - Joe Pavalski
??
We DID get a LB… in the 5th…
I’m not the biggest fan of him, granted, but he’s a LB.
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
Sorry my post sounded Bitchier then I meant it to
I had just finished watching the Redwings lose… Lions your my only hope.
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer. I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me aroused." - Jim Schwartz
I'll still go with B
Fairley (and all the other picks) have yet to play a down. I still have questions about Fairley based on history. Call me whatever, but call me it after the season.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Questions on attitude and work ethic
He’s said all the right things to the media, but I would hate to think we drafted another Shaun Rogers or even another Charles Rogers and ruined the forward momentum of the franchise.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on May 1, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Attitude is only part of the formula
a good attitude can be ruined by a bad situation, and a bad attitude can be fixed by a good situation.
Hey Nobody Special
Don’t take this as a Bitchy reply, it’s not ment to be. Do you really think that KVB and SUH are going to let ANYONE on the D-line play at less than 210%??? Fairley is going to slide in very nicely next to SUH and Williams. SAY WHAT YOU ALL WANT, but SUH is going to see significant time at DE this year. Gunny is going to get his best players out on that field at the same time and that means Avril is going into the reserve roll. Fairley and SUH side by side, Williams is going to stay right where he is at and KVB is going to be the other end that benefits from SUH and Fairley on the other side of the line. . . .
How many lumps you want Doc?
I don't know if his history is very relevant
outside of the whole “one year wonder thing”, which makes me a little nervous. But something that I’m not seeing talked about is the fact that first round DT’s have a pretty damn high bust rate.
by motown313 on May 1, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
do they?
This guy did a recent analysis of recent draft picks by position and found that the success rate for DT’s in round 1 was 47%. For top-10 DT’s, it was 62%. While Fairley wasn’t selected in the top-10, I think he’s closer to most top-10 DT’s in terms of value than the average of all first-round DT’s. This analysis looks at very recent years, however, and many of the players on his lists haven’t had much time to prove themselves.
Here’s another study over a 10-year period (1997-2006), finding that There is an even 50/50 split between busts and productive players.
This one, which organized players into five categories (superstar, star, starter, reserve, out of league), found that only 16.6% of DT’s from 1997-2006 were not starters or better.
I won’t ever criticize Mayhew for taking a particular position because of its historical bust rate. Doing so, I think, would imply that Mayhew can’t figure out how to evaluate particular positions and has to almost bias himself toward lower-risk positions. If somebody says “we shouldn’t take Nick Fairley because DT’s have a higher bust rate”, I think Mayhew’s easy answer is “No other DT’s are Nick Fairley. He’s his own person, not a conglomeration of historical instances or averages”.
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
I never said we shouldn't have taken Fairley
I’m just saying that we shouldn’t assume that he’ll be dominant right from the get go, because there’s a very realistic chance that that won’t happen. Good research though.
by motown313 on May 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no I didn't mean to imply you said that
I just meant bust rates at a certain position shouldn’t be part of the conversation because the FO has to be able to evaluate and pick guys at all positions.
I’m not expecting Fairley to come in and have a Suh-esque rookie year either, and I hope it’s not a letdown for anybody here when he doesn’t.
Two or three years from now, just as Corey Williams is getting older and may depart as a FA, Fairley will be coming into his prime. That’s why, in hindsight, it’ll be such a great pick.
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
+1
That Suh point is good one. Suh had an outstanding year, I don’t expect anything close to that from Fairley.
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by Hyperion Ecta on May 2, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
This tells me that once Free Agency starts, even under previous or new CBA rules
Mayhew could sign any player that was tendered 2-5 or package future picks in a trade. I was scratching my head wondering why Mayhew didn’t use NOT ONE Future draft pick to get back into the later rounds for a LB or CB. It bothered me that he didn’t bust a grape in a orange fight.
Now I understand. I see the light.
It seems that when it comes to filling a need, Mayhew wants proven talent to fill that need.
COP:"Do you know why I pulled you over Mr. Dunn ?" ME:" Was I speeding officer?" COP:"A lil bit, but I really wanted to see a SORRY ASS DETROIT LIONS FAN UP CLOSE!" He gave me a ticket for 50 in a 45 zone. So I ask him his team. COP: DA BEARS HAHAAHAHAA
a++
When you look at it that way,even if some needs weren’t met with the draft picks.
Although I am curious to know of the players who got taken with all the picks we moved, and then in comparison, would any of those players add anything to the Lions roster?
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on May 1, 2011 7:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Imagine......
What could have happened if we didn’t have to trade back with KC for BS and had a shot at Brandon Burton and Marcus Cannon. We would have gotten a+s from everyone.
Malek
Mav, thats true. But maybe they wanted too much
for a 4th even a 5th. After reading about the Best trade and how it took place, he won’t make a move if it doesn’t benefit the team 1st.
COP:"Do you know why I pulled you over Mr. Dunn ?" ME:" Was I speeding officer?" COP:"A lil bit, but I really wanted to see a SORRY ASS DETROIT LIONS FAN UP CLOSE!" He gave me a ticket for 50 in a 45 zone. So I ask him his team. COP: DA BEARS HAHAAHAHAA
A+ When you look at it that way.
That is some pretty incredible value. Obviously this is not a one man effort. Shack Harris and the scouts have to take a lot of credit too for being aware of some of these guys and knowing that they might becoming available.
This is what I think I appreciate the most about Mayhew. He has actually built a real professional organization from the ruins of what that doofus left.
Just imagine what will happen in the next few years when the Lions have a talent base that will allow them to trade players for draft picks or allow talented players to leave in free agency and get compensatory picks for them. I can see Mayhew having a number of extra picks every year to allow him to be even more flexible in the draft.
But we need to build a deep talent base first and Martin has us on the right path.
"I read one article, I said, 'This guy doesn't know what he's talking about,' " Mayhew said. "Then I read another one, and I thought, 'Wait a minute, they're all saying the same thing.' -Martin Mayhew 2011 regarding Draft Gurus.
I'm content with the Titus Young pick
Carter/Dowling were gone at #44 and Wilson/Harris probably won’t have the impact that TD Young will have.
by Forward Down The Field on May 1, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
Mayhew is the man
I can’t believe anyone at this point, after the talent this man has added to this roster would even question his abilities or choices in the last 2 drafts. I feel he has been nothing short of brilliant in helping to turn this team around.
I guess these boards are here to talk about things that transpire, and for us to feel like we actually know something about all this, but the plans they have and the things we know nothing about behind the scenes, lol….I’m just sitting back hoping to watch him work some more magic soon.
First time poster, great job Sean!
+1
Mayhew likes to trade those 6th and 7th rounders for quality players. I wonder who he will pick up this year with trades?
by Gail Cogdill #89 on May 1, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
Agree with all of you.
Mayhew has done a very good job since taking over. He has added quality depth throughout the season so if there are any needs left to be filled for this season, and there are, he will fill them.
A couple of quotes that show he wil get the players we need:
“We know there’s going to be some form of free agency coming forward – we believe that. So it allows us to kind of stick with our board and take the best player and fill in whatever gaps we have to fill in later with a better, quality player.”
“We’re drafting for the future of the franchise. We also don’t view the draft as a finish line; we’re not going to get done with the draft and say, ‘Hey, we’re all good.’ I thought our pro scouts did a great job last year finding players after the draft. Guys like Stefan Logan, John Wendling; two pro bowl alternates that we found after the draft. Young guys like Alphonso Smith, Lawrence Jackson. So we’ll keep looking after this process. We don’t think that we’ll fill all of our needs or take care of all of our personnel problems in this draft; it’ll be an ongoing process this year going into next year and years following that. It’s a long-term process for us.”
"We're looking to improve this team every day, every week, every month until we get to our ultimate goal which is to win a championship."
-Martin Mayhew Detroit Lions GM, Master of the Universe
by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on May 1, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
Yep
2 great quotes there that say it all. Now if we could get the owner’s heads out of their arse….
I will never pretend to know more than they do, except in Millen;'s case.
Haven't graded yet but..
Fairley.. A. I never really thought the guy would fall so..I must say I knew very little. The one question I have now is; How can they call him a one year wonder when he actually only played two?? I also didn’t realize he was a JR.
Makes a helluva D line. Gunther must have a hardon tryin to figure out how many ways he can rotate these guys.
Young..A- He can stretch the field and can also mirror Burleson’s routes from day one.
Leshoure..B ( Was not on my radar..love the guy, but not on my radar.) Huge picks will be made before and after this pick..But..VALUE wize…nice!
We only have 5 draft picks and the top 3 we have are here for a 3 yr min.!
Later selections…….C-…..Hope they turn out but doubt it. Low risk high reward picks rarely turn out.
Overall 88.9
Chiefs fan here
We play you in the second week. Your D-line is scary. I think you are gonna be my 2nd favorite team to watch now. Suh and Fairly are going to could cause enough disruption to an offense alone to sway the game. A+ in the draft.
Pick 21: OLB Justin Houston
Pick 30: C Rodney Hudson
Pick 86: NT Kenrick Ellis. (Ellis in the 3rd = Taylor in the 1st + 1st round pick).
Problems solved. Please forget about Phil Taylor.
C
I have a hard time with the Titus Young pick that early. In fact, I wonder whether there was such a glaring need at WR that couldn’t have been fixed on the FA market once it opens.
My perfect draft would have addressed more needs (especially with the uncertainty of free agency):
Amukamara in the 1st Round and Bowers in the 2nd. You still get a beast Defensive Lineman and also address the CB deficiency. Of course, nobody expected that Bowers would have been available when the Lions picked in the 2nd round. I think Tampa got the steal of the draft. WIth McCoy from last year, their DL looks pretty awesome, by the way.
I like that the Lions picked up a big RB, but wonder whether they overspent to get him.
I’m a tough grader. We’ll see what can be remedied in free agency (if/when that happens), and I might adjust my grade. If we can’t get a decent CB and LB, then my grade will stand.
The draft itself I gave a B initially, but have since moved it more into the A to A- range, but when you look at what we got out of the trades and whatnot definitely an A+
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
A-
But not cause we didn’t try to get more picks! Cause no one would trade with us for fear of getting Mayhew’d.
I think one of the major points here should be that if MaySchwartz didn’t think they could UPGRADE a position, then they weren’t taking a player. No one will contest that Nick Fairley is an upgrade for anyone’s d-line (assuming he plays up to potential), and Leshoure and Young both boost the offense in seriously deficient areas. Perhaps the LBs in round 2 were considered no better than Dizon, Palmer, Carpenter, Levy, Follett or Johnson. Maybe there are FA plans? :shrug I totally respect the choice.
Consider the depth at RB if any two of Smith/Brown/Morris are gone…we already assume (at least) one will be. Consider depth at WR… (what depth??!) Burleson is getting on in his years, so is Morris. I think the Lions are looking forward, seeing a bigger picture than the “needs” of the 2011 season.
Only reason it’s not an A is cause now I expect GREAT things from Mayhew in the trade department, not just good things.
Oh Yeah!!!
A for the front office
for what they do. Trying to trade up for Pat Peterson would have given them an A also. Would have liked to take Bowwers on a flyer in the 2nd. But that also shows Best Player scenerio is sometimes BS, since Bowers had to be ahead of Titus.
I'm disappointed
Fairley COULD be great, Suh like but, will he? Our D line was already superb with adequate back ups. To pass on Prince for Fairley hits me the wrong way across the board. The rest of the picks are B or C at best. I’ve just moved and did not have Internet or TV since Thursday so, just getting caught up on the draft. I’ll stick with Mayhew though until these picks prove not to be busts.
Expectations don't produce!
C
The Lions have always had problems getting productive players in the later rounds. Not saying in this draft they didn’t but if the past has told us anything is that they better get their productive players in the first 3 rounds.
I’m still not sold on Titus Young, we have two WRs already and adding a third WR with our second round pick just seems like non-sense. Like mentioned above we want guys that can be productive right away and you just don’t draft a 3rd string WR in the second round (or even a second string).
I think most people are grading this draft on the Fairley pick and if it turns out like expected it would be huge for our defense. But there are other positions at need and I think unless we are getting rid of Nate Burleson and Young is an absolute stud, than that second round was almost a complete waste.
Deeeeeee-pressing Basketball!
Disagree.
While you feel some of us are grading this solely on the Fairley pick, I feel you’re grading this solely on the Young pick. Having a #3 WR who’s a legit #2 target in terms of talent beats need any day, the value was there, he’s a good character and he’s excited to be here. I’m stoked to have him on the team. Sure, I’d probably say it was the fourth worst pick, but that was purely in terms of the strength of our other picks as opposed to saying it was a bad pick. It wasn’t.
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OK so you say that we have had little interms of later round picks and thats what we gave up to get Mikel in the second round, so win win from what you just said. What are we suppose to do if either Nate or Calvin go down or have a nagging injury that hampers them the whole year? run our offense with 1 WR and 3 TE’s? Grabbing Young who was a top notch WR who has better than average hands around an 80+ on the madden scale is a need for this team. It allows us to get rid of dead weight like B.Johnson who is collecting 3+ million and giving us nothing in return. Win win situation if you ask me.
How many lumps you want Doc?
we can start with outscoring opponents
While back 7 develops
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