Ask POD: Time To Trade Shaun Hill?
by Sean Yuille on May 24, 2011 2:48 AM EDT
in Ask Pride Of Detroit
Email
Print
Casey writes: With all the uncertainty of the CBA and free agency and the number of teams with a need at QB, what do you think the chances are Martin Mayhew could trade Shaun Hill, and what might the Lions be able to get for him? With teams like Seattle, Arizona and Washington still needing QBs and teams like Cincinnati, Carolina and Tennessee all having the use for a veteran quarterback to help the rookies, it would seem to me a player like Shaun Hill might actually have some value on the market. With Drew Stanton playing the best he ever has at the end of last season, he could move into the backup role fairly easily.
If fans take anything away from the 2010 season, it should be that you don't undervalue the importance of quarterback depth. Yes, the injuries Lions QBs suffered involved a lot of bad luck, but the fact of the matter is they had problems staying healthy. Is it entirely possible that Matthew Stafford will make it through 2011 without any issues and Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton will never see the field? Of course it is, but there's no guarantee that will happen.
There is also no guarantee that Stanton would be able to stay on the field if Stafford were to go down again. Stanton has had injury issues dating all the way back to his time at Michigan State. He has shown he can lead the Lions' offense, but can he be relied upon to stay healthy if Stafford is hurt? I don't think that's a risk you want to take.
While I'm sure Martin Mayhew could find a team willing to give up a future draft pick for Hill, I don't see the value in making a trade. Unless a general manager loses his mind and offers a lot more than he should, there is no way the Lions should part ways with Hill. At this point it isn't about who can play and who can't. We know all three Lions QBs are competent enough to lead the offense if they have to. What's important is having all three guys around in case injury issues arise again in 2011.
Think about it this way: Detroit needs one win to clinch a playoff spot. Stafford suffered an injury the week before and Stanton was knocked out early in the make it or break it game. Now the Lions have to pin their hopes on Zac Robinson, and whether or not their playoff drought continues all comes down to a guy that has never seen the field before. The only consolation is that the Lions have an additional third-day pick in the 2012 draft because they traded Hill. That's not a very good deal, is it?
If this were a few years ago and the Lions were a team in need of simply adding as much talent as they can, I wouldn't have a huge issue with the idea of trading a guy like Hill. The Lions aren't a team in that position anymore, though. They are potentially on the verge of finally turning this franchise around, and the value just isn't there to deal Hill. No team is going to give up enough for him to make a deal worthwhile.
The other factors in this are the player Hill is backing up and the player that would take his spot as backup if he were traded. This isn't a situation where Stafford had one freak injury after years of not missing a start. This also isn't a situation where Stanton has only had some wear and tear that is normal for an NFL quarterback. Both players have had multiple injuries in relatively short careers, and neither has proven he can stay healthy for a lengthy period of time. The same goes for Hill based on what happened last season, which is exactly why the Lions need to retain all three QBs.
There's no telling if injuries will once again torment Lions quarterbacks in 2011. Because they can't be ruled out, however, letting go of Hill, or Stanton for that matter, would be a mistake. This team is close enough to something big that they can't afford to let their season fall apart over the injury bug, which is why depth is so important. Obviously no matter who is plugged in after Stafford is going to be an enormous downgrade, but think about that scenario I presented earlier. Can you imagine the downgrade from Stanton/Hill to a guy that's never even played before, especially in a potentially pressure packed situation? It'd be pretty dumb to put yourself in that position because you wanted to acquire a future late-round draft pick. It's just not worth it for the Lions.
Want to submit a question for Ask POD? Send an email to askprideofdetroit@gmail.com, send a tweet to @PrideOfDetroit or leave a comment on Pride of Detroit's Facebook page.
75 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
All this trade Shaun Hill talk is crazy.
Yeah there is a lot of teams looking for QB’s this offseason but guess what. There are also a lot of QB’s on the market this offseason. The longer the lockout goes the less time new QB’s will have to prepare so the more likely teams will just stick with whatever QB they have if he is serviceable at all.
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer. I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me aroused." - Jim Schwartz
+1
I mean if something really crazy came along, it’d be hard not to entertain the notion, but that said, I don’t think there ever would be. Hill definitely can be a starter in the vein of, say, Jeff Garcia, but I doubt any team really makes a substantial move for him.
He’s great insurance for our QB who has had a couple major injuries, and a good locker room presence. I like him alot.
'The reality is - the police become necessary in human society, only at that junction in a society where it is split between those who have, and those who ain't got' - Omali Yeshitela
"In the absence of logic it is not uncommon that sanity can only be found by embracing lunacy." – Leonuro, circa 2011
I'd trade him.....
For a first round draft pick :P
"Some people watch adult videos on their computer. I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That’s what gets me aroused." - Jim Schwartz
when does the reward offset the risk?
Good article Sean. I have to agree that both guys play a valuable role to us as backup more likely to be called upon than most others. The thing is that if Stanton can’t be relied upon then wtf good is he?
Back to Hill tho, so what’s the offer that’s too good to pass on for Hill? Personally I’m thinking a 2nd is too much to pass up for him and a third could be damn tempting. Is the team in a win now or build now mode? I think more of the latter so if the worse case scenario occurs and they’re left with a rough end to the season and a pick it’s fine. Perhaps I’m a bit too much of a gambler for this decision tho lol
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
I think the reward outweighs the risk when you can get a guy that is going to play more than Hill would.
The bottom line in value is what the player brings to your team. I am all for insurance and depth. All great teams have capable backups on the roster that can be relied upon. But there are still a few holes that could be filled on the Lions roster. I think at this point we would have to see a player that would start in most of the games and make an impact to justify trading Hill.
There are several factors that I think dictate whether it makes any sense to trade Hill: value for a draft pick, value for another player, and potential to backfill the sport he vacates.
Sean has already addressed the ability to backfill for Hill to some extent. I would like to introduce another possibility. If the Lions can pick up another veteran quarterback from free agency that has a season or two left in them it might make some sense to consider trading Hill. I don’t think you can entirely trust Stafford or Stanton to stay healthy yet. So you need another guy that can play with very few practice snaps in order to fill in if they both went down to injury. In this situation Zac Robinson is odd man out, but it addresses the backup situation sufficiently to allow the Lions to consider trading Hill.
Trading Hill for a draft pick makes no sense at all. You are unlikely to get a pick higher than a fifth rounder for Hill. I know a lot of people think we could do better, but the history of trading players for draft picks show that players current players do not demand high draft picks unless they are big time difference makers. I don’t think we can put Hill in that category. Even if Mayhew pulled of some of his magic and made a lopsided trade I do not see the Lions getting above a fourth rounder for Hill. In either case you are not likely to get a player that is going to start a majority of games for you, as my would need to justify the risk.
I think the only trade situation that is makes sense is that the Lions are able to get a starting caliber outside linebacker, cornerback, or center/guard in return for Hill. That may be possible from a team that is in dire need of a starting quarterback, especially if they play a West Coast offense. Hill is a capable starter in a West Coast offense. He is a marginal starter in an offense that depends more on throwing the deep ball.
Si I think the real question that we would need to answer concerning a trade for Hill, is which trade scenarios make sense. Since I do not believe it is worthwhile to trade Hill, I am not going to spend the time to research this.
Good analysis regarding potential trade value, TL.
I completely agree with you about trading him for a draft pick. It does not make sense unless it is at least a second rounder which no one in their right mind will give up.
A starting calibre player would make sense for the Lions, not sure if it does for the team that is being traded with.
I really only see one potential landing spot for Hill that gets the Lions maximum value; Arizona. If he went to Zona, he would be a “temporary” starter [for maybe two years maximum] while the Cardinals develop or draft a # 1 QB in 2012.
None of the other teams make much sense. The Titans are a possibility for Hill to be a half year or so starter until Locker gets up to speed, but I don’t think you will get very good value for Hill in that scenario.
I am firmly in the “Keep Hill Here Camp” as our other two QBs have trouble staying healthy and this franchise needs to keep the momentum going forward this year.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
I Agree....
Part of the “Keep Hill Camp” here too. We have to realize why we have him in the first place. You know how our Front Office likes to bring in players who “fit” certain roles? Well that’s Shaun to a “T”….First and Foremost, having coached him before, Linehan knows how to best utilize his skill set, second…Hill knows and accepts his role as #2 and veteran mentor. We picked him up for a steal and I don’t see us putting him on the trading block as his value to the Lions’ team is much, much more than any other team would be willing to give us in return. Besides…what if we lose Drew to FA? We’ll have an unproven #3 in Robinson. Better to try and keep who we have, Shaun and Drew compete for #2 and use Robinson as trade-bait as necessary to a QB hungry team.
"They counted on America to be passive...They counted wrong." ~ R. Reagan
by Roughneck 7 on May 24, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting take on it Tuffy
I have a hard time seeing them trading away Hill and then bringing in a FA replacement. I think if they trade Hill it’s plan to have Staff, Stanton and perhaps Zach.
It’s hard to say what the best case scenario would be for trading him off. You’re probably right a trade of him to get another player involved might be the best. Why? Well simply it’s less tangible values so Mayhew can have some room to BS his way around whereas a pick is a pick is a pick.
If we do move him I think it’s best to happen in the season to someone desperate due to injury. That or perhaps to Shany in Wa to “comete” with Beck (Hill has no turntables and no microphone)
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
Sean, This sounds like a good series of articles that could fill some space while the CBA gets negotiated.
How about we open up the debate on Calvin? AGAIN.
Now that we have Titus, Calvin is pretty much expendable. And everyone knows you don’t need an elite WR to win. Shoot, we proved the opposite of that, right?
There are numerous teams that need DTs, DEs, and Safeties. Why don’t we discuss shipping out Suh, Avril, Jackson, Delmas for some draft picks or back up Guards and Centers?
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
Lefty
Here is a HUGE difference between Hill who is on the later side of his career as say ALL the guys you just mentioned because they are all either just hitting their prime years or have them still coming, like Delmas and Suh.Other than Lo-Jack every guy you named is also a starter not a bench player waiting for an injury to see the field.
How many lumps you want Doc?
davis, I was being sarcastic. I am a little tired of the repeated calls to trade anyone and everyone on the Lions.
Really, Hill is more valuable to us than to any other team IMO.
It just seems like there are two one things that can happen to you if you are a Detroit Lion according to a lot of people on here; if you suck you will get traded [or cut if no one will take you] or if you are good we will trade you for draft picks.
Enough is enough already.
Hey! Maybe you are being sarcastic too. Are you?
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
Actually Lefty. . .
because like you said there has been SO much of this BS about trade this guy and get rid of that guy . . .i can’t remember who is on what side of the fence. . . .I should have sensed the sarcasm but that one went right over my head bro. . .My bad.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Another angle
If this were a few years ago and the Lions were a team in need of simply adding as much talent as they can, I wouldn’t have a huge issue with the idea of trading a guy like Hill. The Lions aren’t a team in that position anymore, though. They are potentially on the verge of finally turning this franchise around, and the value just isn’t there to deal Hill. No team is going to give up enough for him to make a deal worthwhile.
Sean, I would argue that this is why we can afford to trade Hill, we have depth at qb. In previous years we didn’t have any depth, at any postion. Every Sunday we were putting a team on the field that consisted of practice squad guys and other teams rejects. Now it seems like some of our back-ups could start for other teams and not the other way around. I agree about the health thing with Stafford and Stanton, but I don’t think Hill’s value has ever been higher.
Once a new cba gets done and the Eagles trade Kolb, the next best option out there is what, Mcnabb, Vince Young? Why not shop Hill, imo he’s a better option than those two. Look at teams that drafted qb’s this year, how many have a guy that can start right now and help develop a young qb , not many. One of those teams is going to get pretty desperate for qb help, time for someone to get Mayhew’ed.
Well the Eagles and Kolb are a different story
Kolb should be starting somewhere, and the Eagles could very well get a first round pick out of the deal as well as some back up. Shaun Hill shouldn’t be starting, and we couldn’t get even close to enough as the Eagles would get with Kolb.
I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
Very interesting...
I personally like the idea. Maybe it’s my MSU homerism wanting to see Stanton as our official backup, but I preferred watching him play over Hill every time last year and thought he showed tremendous improvement. While I don’t think Hill would be a starting caliber QB for any of the first teams you mentioned, I do think he could be seen as a valuable backup for a team like Cinci, Tennessee, or Minnesota that is at this point unsure how their new rookies will perform. I think this becomes all the more valuable when you take the lockout into consideration and consider that these rookies will have diminished practice time with their teams. While Hill may not know the whole playbook for one of those teams right off the bat, he may have played against them (see Minnesota) and have some level of familiarity. Even if he hasn’t the veteran experience might be worth it in itself. But what do I know.
I wouldn't want to trade him ..
And as you pointed out, last year showed us how valuable he can be if Staff goes down .. Drew might do good but no guarantees and what if gets injured ..
If we plan to win this season, we do need someone like Hill waiting in the wings…
IF, a big if, Mayhew and JS are satisfied going into the season without Hill, then i wouldn’t want a draft pick .. I want someone who can help the lions this year. A proven starter at LB or CB. not someone that the other team is trying to get rid of ..
And we all know how often straight player-for-player trades happen in the NFL...
Hill remains a Lion, until something of real value can be obtained for him.
3 way trades...
and player with pick trades are pretty common with the lions during Mayhew’s tender.
To add to Libran and give a scenario…
Hill could be traded to a QB hungry team (Carolina, Seahawks, CLE, Cinci, Jax, Tenn, Miami) for a LB/CB + a low 5-7th rounder.
QB’s hold their value well and depending on the new CBA rules… Hill could be on the move.
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Didn't Carolina, Cinci, Jax, and Tennessee just draft Qbs in the first and second rounds this year?
Seahawks have Whitehurst who they gave up a second round pick for last year, Cleveland drafted and played McCoy last year, and Miami passed on a few of the QBs picked this year and are looking for something longer term.
The only teams you left out, Arizona and Washington, are the only teams that might actually have a use for Hill. Although I really don’t see the Redskins being interested. A guy like Hill is not their style [think flashy big name/hype].
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
by NorthLeft12 on May 24, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
didn’t Carolina, Cinci, Jax, and Tennessee just draft Qbs in the first and second rounds this year?
Exactly… and who are the plan "B"s for Cinci, Carolina, and Tennessee?
And by no way is my ‘scenario’ bulletproof or meant to be… hell, how did I forget Arizona?
Motown313-"spending a first rounder on the next Jared Devries doesn’t seem like a good gameplan."
Don't forget the team that Hill left to come here. . .SF
I wonder what Jimmy could do with a serviceable QB like Hill. . I mean they are gambling on a guy who has had more chances than I can count.
How many lumps you want Doc?
The way I see it
THe Lions have three big needs right now: cornerback and a pair of LBs, maybe not even that depending on if Houston signs as a RFA and if the coaching staff likes guys like Palmer or Carpenter. If it were up to me, I would not trade our starting quarterback for one of those positions because we have talented glass cannon. If we see that Stafford has played the full season in 2011, then we can come back to this talk again next offseason
House of Spears | My Detroit Lions/NFL Blog
"trade our starting quarterback"
huh? Staff is HEALTHY. And as much as I supported Hill being the #2 and taking Stanton out, I’d be more than fine with Stanton being #2. I believe he might be better than Hill by this upcoming season – being able to stay in the system and everything…
""Dont get fairly, dont get fairly, dont get fairly PLEASE DON'T! PLEASE DETROIT! DONT get fairly.....................FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!" - T. Moore
Lol
To me, Stafford isn’t the starting quarterback until he proves he can stay healthy. Starting QB isn’t the most talented guy on your roster, it’s the one that plays the most.
House of Spears | My Detroit Lions/NFL Blog
by Latif Masud on May 24, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't we need to know
if Stanton will be back before even considering this? If the Lions traded Hill and Stanton ended up a FA and left for another team, then Robinson is the primary backup for a QB with a more games spent hurt than on the field.
Scary thought.
by Big Z in Orlando on May 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Just because you get a position stabilized.....for the first time since the 1950s
Should not mean you immediately destabilize it, just to attempt to get another position partially stabilized.
by YpsilantiJeff on May 24, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Funny thing is...
One of the best opportunities to trade of Shaun Hill is probably to the Minnesota Vikings. Hill’s salary is reasonable so he would fit into their difficult financial situation. Hill is familiar with the West Coast offense which also used by the Vikings. The Vikings would be able to groom Ponder for a season or two under Hill in order to protect their investment in him. The problem is that this trade won’t happen. There is no way that the Lions are going to help the Vikings get htat much better unless they are getting somebody like Chad Greenway in return, but that isn’t going to happen.
The Vikes are going away from the WCO
This is the Motor City. And this is what we do...
And God sayeth onto Abraham. "Goeth and spread my word of the P.C.P. and all will well with your people."
the Lions D-Line: the Four Horsemen of the A-sack-alypse
why the hell would they do that
seeing they took Ponder?
""Dont get fairly, dont get fairly, dont get fairly PLEASE DON'T! PLEASE DETROIT! DONT get fairly.....................FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!" - T. Moore
So that they don't have to toss Ponder to the wolves
Unless you are of the mind that Ponder will be able to avoid getting shell shocked when he sees the Lions defensive front in week 3. By having a valid option they can allow Ponder to see how a veteran handles different situations, or even have the veteran help Ponder to settle down and focus on what needs to be done. Matthew Stafford benefited from having a veteran QB with him on the team, I don’t see anybody to fill that role in Minnesota and the coach/GM have a lot at stake in the success of Ponder.
I believe they will try to add a Vet into the mix in Minny
And what I have read is that Bill Musgrave( the OC there) will use a offense similiar to what Atlanta and Pittsburgh uses. Some elements of the WCO, but not entirely a true WCO.
This is the Motor City. And this is what we do...
And God sayeth onto Abraham. "Goeth and spread my word of the P.C.P. and all will well with your people."
the Lions D-Line: the Four Horsemen of the A-sack-alypse
It's a "long" WCO
Green Bay and us have a similar system in some regards as well. It seems to be the way the game is heading.
by Mavyrk on May 25, 2011 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True. You get into all these hybird offenses.
Yes the Lions use some WCO elemnts to their game, as does GB. But I see more of a Spead style in their game. And I think Minny will use more of the running aspect of what Pitt and Atlanta does. I do not see them passing 60% and over.
This is the Motor City. And this is what we do...
And God sayeth onto Abraham. "Goeth and spread my word of the P.C.P. and all will well with your people."
the Lions D-Line: the Four Horsemen of the A-sack-alypse
Actually
They are making their offense more like the Lions. They drafted a tight end in the second round to create a 2 TE system like ours.
House of Spears | My Detroit Lions/NFL Blog
by Latif Masud on May 24, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sweet!!
Maybe they’d like to get Raiola so they can really be like our O. Hell I’ll drive him over to Minneapolis myself if needed!!
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
WOW
That would be one long ass car ride. Sitting there listening the ramblings of the Dom. I do not feel I am going on a limb to say. He probably has some “road rage” issues.
This is the Motor City. And this is what we do...
And God sayeth onto Abraham. "Goeth and spread my word of the P.C.P. and all will well with your people."
the Lions D-Line: the Four Horsemen of the A-sack-alypse
rofl
ya I didn’t think of the road rage issues he probably has :/ Well if he gets too whacky I’ll just dress up as a D-lineman and that’ll make him go all soft and pliable, np.
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
I understand the depth argument - being how valuable the QB position is
and I agree that getting a 4th round pick in 2012 is not enough value. But if a team is willing to trade one of their players we like and fills a big need for us, then that value might be too much to pass. Not only the impact that player could have in 2011, but also beyond that where we don’t have to try and fill that need in 2012 or 2013 potentially…
I do think it would all come down to how much the FO believes in Stanton. If they feel Stanton is ready to lead and continue getting better. Than I say go for it. Yeah it’s a risk, based on our past miseries of injuries, but we do have some holes/weaknesses that could potentially drag this great team down…if a trade solves one of those weaknesses so team can’t take advantage of it, I support it. How long do we think Hill will stay around anyway? Doesn’t he want to compete for a starting job!? The only way he wants to stay is if he thinks Staff will continue to get injured…
""Dont get fairly, dont get fairly, dont get fairly PLEASE DON'T! PLEASE DETROIT! DONT get fairly.....................FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!" - T. Moore
No way I trade him...
If Mayhew did, it would have to be 2nd round or higher.
by Millen_Free on May 24, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I Agree...
Part of the "Keep Hill Camp" here too. We have to realize why we have him in the first place. You know how our Front Office likes to bring in players who "fit" certain roles? Well that’s Shaun to a "T"….First and Foremost, having coached him before, Linehan knows how to best utilize his skill set, second…Hill knows and accepts his role as #2 and veteran mentor. We picked him up for a steal and I don’t see us putting him on the trading block as his value to the Lions’ team is much, much more than any other team would be willing to give us in return. Besides…what if we lose Drew to FA? We’ll have an unproven #3 in Robinson. Better to try and keep who we have, Shaun and Drew compete for #2 and use Robinson as trade-bait as necessary to a QB hungry team.
(needed to repost IOT more feedback)
"They counted on America to be passive...They counted wrong." ~ R. Reagan
TRADE HIm
i say trade him all i needed to see is stanton run the offense well and he did stanton was finding his reads and throwing the ball well. So i say trade hill since he had a good year last year trade him now while he’s hot send him out to ari or sf he beats out smith and smith that should be good for a 2nd at best and a 4th at worse and pick up a undrafted guy that is smart with a good arm
Really?
I mean with Stafford’s health concerns, Shaun hill is pretty much our starter. Stanton doesnt have accuracy to run an offense as explosive as the Lions have.
House of Spears | My Detroit Lions/NFL Blog
by Latif Masud on May 24, 2011 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't worry
That’s the guy that hates Stafford. So he doesn’t care if Stafford gets hurt again.
I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
Journeyman....
Hill is the classic Journeyman Quaterback…He’s capable of winning some games, but his limitations keep him from taking the team to that next level. AZ and SF are looking to start going to the next level, rebuilding or not. I do know that San Fran is kickin’ themselves for letting him go in the first place. Seeing how a lot of needy teams reached for QBs in the Draft, Zac may actually be better to trade off with potentially better value to boot. Besides…who would want to screw with our depth knowing that any three of our quarterbacks is capable of stepping in and winning games.
"They counted on America to be passive...They counted wrong." ~ R. Reagan
Zac
is really not tradeable if we are able to resign Drew. He is #4 and teams will simply wait to get him on waivers if they are interested. We are not likely to get something for a guy we gave up nothing for when he hasn’t been able to demonstrate his abilities or ;ack pf them whichever the case may be
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
by Justan Oldfart on May 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the thing: You shouldn't need back-up QBs.
But it’s basically stupid to give up something good for no reason.
Unless a general manager loses his mind and offers a lot more than he should,
Washington.
"WR Brandon "I'll stab you bitch" Marshall (who finally got stabbed himself for once) had 10 catches for 102 yards and no TDs". - KDAWG
nope
i wouldnt be comfortable with D Stanton and Zac Robinson as back ups. NO trade until Stafford makes it through 16 games
by mochaj on May 24, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is crazy talk
Trading our only proven backup when we have a starting QB who’s missed more game than played. Stanton did well and won some games last year, but he’s far from a proven, safe backup. Hill has shown to be that guy and, at least in my eyes, provides a HUGE comfort level. If Staff goes down, that sucks, but I believe Hill has nearly as good of chance of winning for us. I don’t think Stanton and Robinson provide that if Staff goes down game 1 again.
I think if the trade included a very good starting CB or LB
we would have to consider it at the very least.
Clear eyes, Full hearts, Can't lose !
PCP 4 LIFE
Yeah, that's what I think is the breaking point
It doesn’t make any sense to trade Hill unless you can fill a position where you need help with a quality player in return. I don’t mean just a guy that is holding down the spot. I mean a very good starter like you said. Since I don’t think that deal is going to happen I am not going to sweat it.
Of course
but I don’t consider that likely. You probably dont either but hell gotta talk bout sumpin. GOD DAMN THIS LOCKOUT!!!
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
It's funny to me that all the TRADE HILL camp.
want to think that Stanton can lead this team. . .We are talking about a guy; in Stanton that is; who can’t even throw a true spiral for even 1/2 of his passes and we now have a vertical game with Megatron and “The Titus Touch” so you guys want to let Drew fling wounded ducks down field all day so that other teams CB’s and safeties and pick him off all day. . . NO THANK YOU! Keep Hill!
How many lumps you want Doc?
Have you seen Hills arm
LOL everyone called him wet noodle for a reason.
Clear eyes, Full hearts, Can't lose !
PCP 4 LIFE
by The Profiler on May 24, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Stanton's arm > Hills
No doubt about that. Watch the tape at Mich state, this guy can air it out. Unfortunately, Hill’s accuracy >>> Stanton’s
Not to mention, Stanton doesn’t really have a ton of experience compared to hill, who has been a starter for about two seasons now if you count last year. Thats a very experienced and reliable QB, and you don’t give that up unless the other team offers up a young, stud corner. I wouldn’t even trade him for a linebacker since there are plenty of good ones in free agency.
I think there is one people are missing tho. THere are some decent option at the QB position in free agency. What if the Lions can trade Hill and land a guy like Marc Bulger?
House of Spears | My Detroit Lions/NFL Blog
Bulger's not coming here to be a backup.
That’s fruitless.
by Mavyrk on May 24, 2011 10:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know this is all after the fact here BUT
How much of that wet noodle arm came from playing with a bad back last year??? I know he was NEVER considered to have a strong arm, but playing with a bad back and not letting it be known to the media and our fan base may have had something to do with that wet noodle.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Sure i would trade Hill...
but it would only be to Seattle for Lofa Tatupa and Kelly Jennings.
" Maybe for a writer...but i am sure most of you can tell i am not a writer". det32
trade not wealth
This is not even a moot point! Finally having a better thing at backup than some teams have at even starter is the best thing. This is one thing that will help us if injury does happen. What other team has as much experience at the possibility of winning games with their 2nd string QB? There is no question here.
not going one way or the other with this but football is a funny game
How many people started the season bashing Shaun Hill with names like Wet noodle and captian checkdown. Certainly more or about just as many supporters as he has now. I like Shaun Hill but some people act like he was the best QB we had. He played the most games and won just as many of them as the other 2. We for sure need solid depth at QB but every player has a price. If Hill tipped the scales to get us a diffrence maker in the back 7 I think we have to heavily consider it. Otherwise we keep him my answer would be Yes IF…No but…
Clear eyes, Full hearts, Can't lose !
PCP 4 LIFE
+1
my personnel nickmane for Shaun was “Captain 10 yarder”
This is the Motor City. And this is what we do...
And God sayeth onto Abraham. "Goeth and spread my word of the P.C.P. and all will well with your people."
the Lions D-Line: the Four Horsemen of the A-sack-alypse
Don't Do It!!
I’m a 49ers’ fan and as soon as Hill was traded last year I knew that 1, we wouldn’t make the play-offs and 2 Singletary would be fired. Now I am not really upset about Singletary, but missing the play-offs stunk.
Hill isn’t going to throw for 300 yards a game but he is more then a servicable back-up. Plus Stafford has an injury history so I would keep a good back-up. Singletary made the mistake of thinking that Carr was a better back-up, but after he stunk against the Panthers he never played another game.
But long story short, you need a good back up in the league, and Hill fits the role perfectly. Don’t get rid of a good thing.
Don't worry, the only guys that want to get rid of him in Detroit have absolutely no say on the issue.
They are the “GMs in Training Brigade” – Detroit Branch.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
I say for the right price trade Hill
I guess my thought process on it is simple. We have seen what our FO can do with picks in the draft and I for one trust them vs. our FO of the past. Getting say a high 4th rounder for him would not be bad. What if we drafted D or O-line only next year and used that 4th rounder to move up with a 3rd rounder into the 2nd round. Just like this last year. It will either be a solid pick or used to move to a even better pick.
If Stafford is the man of glass….we have more problems to worry about then whoever is our back-up QB. What we would need is a loosing record again as well as a assortment of picks to trade into position for a new franchise QB. If Stafford has another injury filled season we should be looking for a new starting QB. This does pain me to say that and I hope by and far is not what happens. This would also be a great faith for Stafford to say hey kid, this is how much faith we have in you.
Hill has a long list of injuries in past seasons. To think he will be healthy and ready might be a stretch so why not try out Zack and see if we can get a healthy back-up.
Now I agree, I would in no way trade him for a 7th rounder but 7th and high 5th rounder or 4th rounder I would be tempted. Also look at Hills age. You could still go in FA and get another proven back-up in FA and still gain picks in the process.
Either way I love having Hill on the team and I wish him the best in his future. Great guy and proud to have him on our team.
Unless we get a great deal for him
I say no. Hill is a solid backup for us. Drew does have value, but I prefer Hill.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
The art of the trade
There is a modus operandi to the grand larceny that Martin Mayhew has inflicted upon other teams in the trade market. He finds players that are under-valued by their current team, then he gives them players that are not highly valued by the Lions for various reasons, but may have some value to other teams. That sets the table where both general managers are seeing the least of their own players and more value in the player they are getting. If it works out for both sides then both players end up contributing to their new team and everybody is happy.
I just have to think that trading Shaun Hill does not fit the Mayhew MO. He still has some clear value to the Lions. Probably more than he has to most other teams. If the Lions were going to trade people I would look more toward guys like Andre Fluellen, Willie Young, Bryant Johnson, Derrick Williams, Aaron Brown, etc, that are on the bubble to make the team this season. If Mayhew can identify teams that need guys to fill the positions they play then any or all of them could be on the way out of town, but I don’t see a value trade for Shaun Hill.
is everyone forgetting whose in the front office?
if detroit trades hill it will be a great move cuz mayhew made the move. have we forgotten the roy 1st round deal or the anal rape for alphonze five pick deal or maybe the suh pick or maybe the lojack call from seattle. personally i would trade him. i say that because of the great play of stanton, finaly, last season. i mean stanton looked like he knew what he was doing after the first game he started. but if you can get a 2nd out of carolina to help cam out why wouldn’t you trade shaun hill? the reason the pats are always in the hunt because they draft well and alot why not get rid of good value for more picks. my call is to trade him for a 2nd if posible
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Pride Of Detroit
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
