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A Tuff Look at the Lions Linebackers - Part 1

Now that the 2011 NFL Draft is complete, we can take a look at where the Detroit Lions still need to fill holes in their roster.  Before the draft, I read plenty of articles and discussion about what the Lions need.  I think we can safely say the Lions feel they filled the need for another wide receiver with Titus Young and the need for a more physical running back with Mikel LeShoure.  But these weren't considered the greatest needs for the Lions before the draft.

One of the Lions most glaring problems prior to the draft was linebackers. The Lions told Julian Peterson and Jordan Dizon that their services are no longer required.  Those departures have left the Lions shorthanded at a position that was not very good last season, even with a full complement of players.  Martin Mayhew does not make moves without reason.  There is a plan in place to replenish the linebackers, even if we don't know it. 

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The Lions feel that releasing Julian Peterson is addition by subtraction.  Peterson made several critical mistakes last season.  He cost the Lions some wins with his uninspired play.  It is not a coincidence that the Lions won games at the end of the season after Peterson was benched.  He looked like an exciting acquisition when the Lions traded with the Seahawks to get him, but Peterson turned out to be a square peg in a round hole.

It was also determined that Jordan Dizon is hurt too often to be a reliable part of the team going forward.  Injuries have severely hurt the Lions over the last two seasons.  This is simply a move to open a spot on the roster for a player that will be healthier and more reliable.

The only linebacker that we can be absolutely sure about is Deandre Levy.  He will be roaming the middle of the field and making plays behind the dynamic duo of Nick Fairley and Ndamukong Suh.  Some unforeseen player acquisition could move Levy to the outside, but he will be starting at one of the linebacker spots for the Lions next season.

Bobby Carpenter has a place on the Lions roster, if he wants it.  Carpenter is slated to be a free agent after a new collective bargaining agreement(CBA) is settled between the owners and the players.  While this seems like it would create problems for the Lions in retaining Carpenter, it really doesn't.  Bobby Carpenter will not get many phone calls from teams competing for his services because of previous struggles with other teams.  Carpenter has more value to the Lions than any other NFL team and he seems to be happy with Detroit.  Carpenter is about as sure as a free agent can be for the Lions.

Ashlee Palmer is an exclusive rights free agent and the Lions are likely to retain his services.  While Palmer could become an unrestricted free agent with a new CBA, that is unlikely.  The odds are very high that the Lions will retain Palmer for at least one more season, since they are holding all the cards in contract negotiations.

Zack Follett is under contract for the 2011 season and recent statements by Zack seem to indicate that he plans on playing in 2011.  Of course, the doctors will have a say in that as well, but if Zack wants to give it a go, I won't count him out.  Follett showed some promise during the 2010 season.  He was stronger against the run than when covering the pass, but he was learning and improving.  The "Pain Train" is a work in progress he could give his neck injury more opportunity to heal and continue his development by playing from the bench in 2011.

Isaiah Ekejuiba was a strong player on special teams last season, and filled in at multiple linebacker roles when injuries forced him into the lineup.  While Isaiah was not stellar at linebacker, he didn't look horrible either.  It is difficult to tell where Ekejuiba will end up in 2011.  Other linebackers like Follett, Campbell, and Palmer are willing to play special teams and probably would have more impact on the field at linebacker.  As good as Isaiah was on special teams he might be odd man out this coming season unless he finds a way to impress the coaches with his play at linebacker during preseason, if there is one.

I do not expect the Lions to sign Landon Johnson for next season.  Landon was not bad as a Lion, but he did make some big mistakes.  If the Lions are going to improve the linebacker corps for next season this is likely to be one of the roster spots that they will use to do that.  I believe that Landon Johnson will be playing for a new team, but it remains unclear if the Lions will sign a free agent to replace him, or just put Doug Hogue in his spot.

Caleb Campbell is an exclusive rights free agent, which means that he is almost certain to return to the Lions.  Caleb is a wild card.  The best we can hope for is that he will have a breakout performance in preseason and impress the coaches enough to keep him on the roster.  Campbell has one season on the Lions practice squad and he could return there if needed.

If you do the math on all that then it is likely that the Lions have Levy, Carpenter, Palmer, Follett, Ekejuiba, Campbell and Doug Hogue on the roster for the start of camp.   The Lions could be willing to enter the season with six of those players, barring injuries, and may not sign a free agent linebacker at all.

If the Lions do not sign a free agent linebacker the projected starting lineup would be Levy in the middle with Carpenter and Palmer on the outside.  Statements by Martin Mayhew have indicated that this would be acceptable.  Pencil in Follett, Ekejuiba, and Hogue as backups with special teams duties.  Caleb Campbell would go to the practice squad initially as an insurance policy against an injury. 

In the second part of this article, I will talk about the the Lions profile for linebackers and who might fit into that profile that the Lions could acquire.

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Ekejuiba

I could be wrong here…but wasn’t he signed specifically for his special teams play? He was signed to be a special teamer and to fill in at linebacker in case of emergency.

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by BBlades on May 4, 2011 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

true

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by rames on May 4, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he was.

The point that I am making is that the Lions will have three or four guys in the linebacker corps next season that are willing to play special teams and are capable of making an impact. The problem that Isaiah has is that at least a couple of those guys are already better linebackers on the defensive snaps. When you have to weight the pros and cons of each player, Ekejuiba becomes less valuable when you have a lot of other guys that can also play on special teams well. I like Isaiah Ekejuiba, but he may just find himself squeezed out of the Lions get free agents LBs. I will talk more about this in part two of the article.

by TuffLynx on May 5, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

The new kick off rules limit the value of pure special teamers.

by Admiral Ackbar on May 6, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great overview and analysis

Rec’d

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by RealityIsOptionable on May 4, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice job

I really do hope the best for Caleb, but agree with you on his current ceiling. I’m hoping for Palmer to grow comfortable and gain consistency. He showed a knck for making big plays, if he can limit his mistakes, he could be the darkhorse here. Nevertheless, barring resigning Houston and signing a high quality CB, I would prefer the FO find a way to bring in two veteran LBs – one being a very solid starter and the other a little cheaper and competing for that other spot…

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by rames on May 4, 2011 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Palmer was a monster on special teams.

Bobby Carpenter has had some special team troubles though. Follet is a career special teamer if that.

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by Eddie Apoc on May 4, 2011 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Palmer lays the wood no doubt about that

we’ve got some quality ST aces no doubt.

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by rames on May 5, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Carpenter played well for us in the last 3 games

after he learned the plays he was an asset and a key defender against both Miami and Minnisota at OLB and I for one think he’ll be back and start. he also had 5 ST tackles.

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by chucka on May 5, 2011 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I am convinced

That both Bobby Carpenter and Ashlee Palmer have a place in Detroit for a long time as long as they are willing to play special teams. I am not sure what the ceiling is on Carpenter since he has been in the NFL for a while now. But he seems capable of being at least a quality backup and special teams player over the long term. It may turn out he is more than that and just needed to find the right system to play in to be successful. I think next season will tell us a lot.

Palmer probably has a higher ceiling than Carpenter since he is younger and just getting his feet under him. I liked what I saw from Palmer. He has a nose for the ball and a knack for making plays. He was decent against the run and could use a bit of improvement against the pass.

As I mentioned, the Lions did better once Carpenter and Palmer started playing the outside with Levy in the middle. They were not world beaters, but they avoided giving up the big plays that beat the Lions earlier in the season. The linebackers need to continue their steady play and get few turnovers. With improved play from the safety position as well, the Lions will do just fine.

by TuffLynx on May 5, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell ya!

Love the article and this post, which could have fit right in. I too really like the potential of these guys. Then again, as you mention, it would be ideal to bring in a couple of vets to secure the situation. Either one, or both, of these guys could work out to at the very least get us through the season until they can have another crack at filling the position.

I like what I see of Ekijiuba on ST enough, like return to it, that I’d rather have him over Follett. Besides the injury risk on Zach, his play as depth isn’t that much better than Ekiju to beat him for a spot.

I think Hogue will be a given and have little trouble beating Landon for a spot.

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by Ee Oulo on May 5, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I expect to see Carpenter and Palmer back

Hopefully we score someone in free agency as well.

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by Hyperion Ecta on May 5, 2011 3:36 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Tuffy hit the nail on the head with the hope of bringing in a solid starting vet LB and a guy to raise the bar for Carpenter and Palmer’s battle.

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by Ee Oulo on May 5, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that Mayhew said that Palmer and Carpenter can play in the NFL.

But I don’t believe he is satisfied with the overall talent level at LB or the depth. I think they will get at least one FA OLB who will definitely make the team, and in the best case will be good enough to take one of the spots on the outside. IMO the Lions will place a fairly high priority in resigning Carpenter, Palmer, and Landon.

I’ll wait for your next FanPost before giving my opinion about what kind of LB the Lions are looking for and who available actually fits that description.

Nice write up TL.

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by NorthLeft12 on May 5, 2011 7:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Here is an article by Dave Birkett about the LB situation.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110505/SPORTS01/105050548/1049/rss14

“I thought it was encouraging that we won those games with those guys playing the way we did at the end of the year.” Matt Burke, Lions LB Coach

Sounds like Burke has graduated from the Martin Mayhew School of Saying Something That Really Means Nothing.

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by NorthLeft12 on May 5, 2011 7:33 AM EDT reply actions  

haha very true

Also from Burke regarding Levy staying in the middle (sorry to beat a dead horse): “I believe that’s going to be his role going forward, no doubt,” Burke said.

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by rames on May 5, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This unit is going to experience a hugh addition by subtraction syndrome this season.....

With the release of Peterson. He was a veteran playing for the check, and from what I seen of him in the press, a pretty laid back non excitable type of guy, which leads me to believe he wasn’t much of a leader when a young unit needed one.

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by delusional on May 5, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it's a stretch to think that

he’s the kind of guy that help breed bad habits to youngsters and developing busts…

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by rames on May 5, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Houge will be a stud for us.

The more tape I watch of him. I can’t believe how good he is. It looks like we got a steal in the 5th rd.

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by M10 LIONS FAN on May 5, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me

Hogue is a raw talent but he also seems to be learning quickly. He needs the most work because he has to learn how to read an offense better. That is both encouraging and scary.

Since Hogue was originally a running back at Syracuse, he did not have to learn how to read and react against an offense. He was on the offense. So as a linebacker, he is still learning how to recognize his keys and react to them instinctively. The problem is that learning to read a defense and react quickly is one of the most challenging parts of the position. Some guys never seem to get it , e.g. Ernie Sims. That is the scary part.

The encouraging part is that Hogue appears to be learning the position quickly. This implies that he takes to coaching well. It also implies that he has a good head on his shoulders. If he does continue to improve and become the player that the Lions hope he will be, Hogue will be one of the biggest steals of the draft.

by TuffLynx on May 5, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing about Hogue though is that he has an upside that most LB's don't

Since he played offense before, and specifically running back, he will be able to key on things and read what a running back is going to do unlike most linebackers. Also he did play line backer in high school, so his instincts might be better than we thing. He prrobably will just have to adjust to the speed of the game.

The other upside is that if he does get an interception or fumble he has the opportunity to be a real play maker on the defense. He should be able to generate a lot of YAT (Yards After Turnover) and even take some to the house. If he develops we are going to end up with some lethal play makers at line backer with Levy and him.

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by Evilsmurf on May 5, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep in mind

The Lions need LBs that are quick to react,sure tacklers,and able to see the play unfold in front of them. We don’t need pass rushing/Big play LBs,just solid be in the right place tackling machines. This could be what Hogue is.

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by randalljwhite on May 5, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard rumblings that

Mayhew was gonna let Dizon go. I personally hope they don’t. Everyone bash’s the dude for being unimpressive and he was drafted for the tampa 2 def. I would put money on it if he didnt get hurt in preseason last year he would have come in a played and kicked some ass. As for his unimpressiveness he never really got his shot at showing why the coachs alk highly of him and last year would have been his shot due to the injuries at LBer. I hope they give Dizon one more year to show what he’s got

by mochaj on May 6, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, seeing on how we'll probably have to either

1. reach in FA to find depth at LB or 2. resign Landon Johnson. I wouldn’t mind taking Dizon’s cover skills and using him as a role player rather option 1 or 2…

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by rames on May 6, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This Defense is so close

We’re 3 players away from having a frightening D but even if we only get one or two more starters through FA, Then we’re still not in bad shape. The D did their job in those last four games, especially against Green Bay. They also had to go through games in that stretch without KVB, Delmas, The Phonz, and Chris Houston. The fact that our linebacking core looked better with the back ups in is interesting, but true. (If you go onto youtube you can watch edited versions of those 4 games on Detroit Football Lions’ Page.) I’ve said it before about Palmer and I’ll say it again, When you have one of your back-up LBs finishing second on the list for forced fumbles(5) among linebackers, then you have a potential starter (The only LB ahead of Palmer was James Harrison). Bobby Carpenter looked reliable against the run and surprisingly good in coverage: I remember seeing him make several key third down plays, including a couple of swatted passes. Plus, the addition of Nick Fairly is equivalent to adding a free agent LB, IMO. I’d rather see a right guard or corner as a FA acquisition. If the FO decides to sign just one LB FA or even none, I will not be panicking.

by Admiral Ackbar on May 6, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

nice points

but I will be panicking a bit if they don’t add one FA LB who can be solid if made to start. Not panic at the thought of Carpenter and Palmer starting, but at the inevitability of injuries. I mean, we don’t even have a backup at MLB that can play (if we don’t resign Landon)…

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by rames on May 6, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO there is really only one LB worth pursuing in free agency

That being Rocky McIntosh. The other guys IMO are not worth the bother, I would almost rather find some UDFA like Herzlich than bring in guys that are overpaid or will cost draft picks. Not that I will be upset if we got Manny Lawson, or Stephen Tulloch, since the front office has my faith. It is just not something I would do.

I have said before that I am fine with Palmer, Levy, and Carpenter as starters along with Follett, Campbell, and Hogue as back ups. Too bad about Follett’s injury, but I think if we want to extend his career, he might be better off taking limited snaps as a back ups. Since Campbell has been playing right side, I would put Hogue in as a left side and use Follett as our backup mike. Zack should know our defense well by now and I think his lack of elite speed and cover skills can be somewhat hidden there at the mike.

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by Evilsmurf on May 7, 2011 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I would pass big time on Rocky

He is one of the worst cover LB’s in the league. He allowed 54 rec in his area. 91.5% of the throws in his area were completed for a 9.4 yrds averager per catch. And his run defense is below average.

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by JCruize on May 7, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

2009 he played mostly outside

He was throw at 64 times. He allowed 50 catches( 78.1 %), for an average of 7.3 yards per catch. The QB rating was 82.6. So yes he was better just, slighly below average. All my info is coming from Pro Football Focus.

 The one LB that rates pretty high is Nicholas. Which I was not a big fan of. Better in coverage than in run support. But he does some of blitzing than helps his overall rating.

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by JCruize on May 7, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice to know

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by rames on May 8, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hazy, But

Didn’t we sign and Waive Rocky last year.

by Admiral Ackbar on May 7, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think

you’re thinking of rocky boiman, whom we did sign and release last year

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by yooperlionfan on May 7, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see

I get my Rockies mixed up. Was it Boiman or Macintosh that fought Dalph Laundren?

by Admiral Ackbar on May 7, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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