A little free agent talk does the soul good...
by BBlades on Jul 16, 2011 9:14 PM EDT
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PrintI was wandering around yahoo's NFL page and I went to the rumor section and read this
'Old' version of Randy Moss ready for free agency
Veteran wide receiver Randy Moss(notes) found himself on three different rosters last season: the New England Patriots, Minnesota Vikings and Tennessee Titans. Throughout it all, Moss combined to catch five touchdown passes and total 393 receiving yards.
Now his agent, Joel Segal, is saying that the 34-year-old Moss can't wait to be a free agent when the collective bargaining agreement ends, NFL.com reports.
"Randy has been working out, two-a-days, all spring and summer in West Virginia," Segal said, according to the site. "He is determined, motivated and quite frankly has a huge chip on his shoulder. Whatever team ends up getting Randy, they're going to know they're getting the old Randy Moss. He's not just coming in to be on the team, he's going to be Randy Moss -- a difference maker."
Moss is a seven-time Pro Bowler and a five-time All-Pro selection.
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I've always liked players with a chip on their shoulders. That being said, anybody think that this could be a good target for the Lions, or are we afraid he's too old and too likely to become a locker room cancer?
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I mentioned this in one of the off season threads...
I wouldnt care if he came in for a cheap price… CJ would help him have a big year and we could Mayhew someone for him or he could just leave for a payday. If he doenst show up were not out much because were not gonna offer him much to come here. But if we decided to let our guys try and grow into that 5 spot thats fine as long as i dont see B.J. this year and wouldnt mind if i didnt see much of D Wheelz
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Remember the last time Moss and Burleson were teammates?
Moss went down with a leg injury and sulked on the Vikings bench while Burleson put up some Moss-like numbers in Scott Linehan’s offense. One of them had to go. It was Burleson who got the square peg tag as an RFA. Burleson signed the infamous "poison pill’ offer sheet that Seattle offered.
I don’t see Moss as a Lion given his history, and I’m sure that Burleson would agree.
burleson loves moss
based on things I’ve heard from burleson in interviews (usually when comparing CJ to Moss), sounds like he has a lot of love for Moss. you could be right though—maybe it was just respect.
by x$pcents IV on Jul 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No thanks
I’d MUCH rather have two LB’s and a CB or vice versa than Randy Moss. We have a stellar WR core already and we have bigger needs. Pass.
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Stellar wide receiver core?
We have CJ (awesome), Burleson(looked good when not fumbling the ball), Titus Young(unproven rookie), Bryant Johnson(stone hands), Derrick Williams(joke), Michael Moore(who), and Tim Toone(injured PS member). Not saying we need an overhaul, but I hardly see that as stellar.
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Ok....
Burleson took over a few games here and there, he’s a great number 2 or slot guy, and Titus Young is going to spread the field even as a rookie. Take into account that we have two great TE’s, then we sign Moss? That’s almost too much…
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We hope Titus is going to spread the field..
he’s an unproven rookie that played for a Mountain West Conference team (even though they’ve been my favorite college team for about the past 10 years). I know, you can find really good players from small schools. I HOPE he plays as well as we all think he will. However, he’s still a rookie.
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On Titus
you don’t draft a guy in the top of 2nd round to be the 4th wide receiver.
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Exactly.
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+100000
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by The Profiler on Jul 17, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, you do....when they are a rookie.
WR’s have some one of the longer learning curves in the NFL. It’s not unusual for a team to draft a WR in the second and then the guy spend a year or so in the #4 spot.
You’re right you don’t take a guy that early so he stays there, but that is more often than not where he begins his career.
by PackApologist on Jul 17, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
examples please?
I cant remeber one that was drafted as high as Titus and started out 4th on the depth chart.
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To go along with the Pack
I know Jordy Nelson has been a #4 for around his whole career so far and he was drafted in the Second.
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Do you really want to use Jordy Nelson?
He is not quite a real star in the league yet. 1 SB game where he caught a few TD’s does not really qualify for what Cruize is referring to some more well named WR’s. Plus in that same SB I remember quite a few drops that were not hard catches heck most of the drops were wide open drops.
How many lumps you want Doc?
That's his point though....
Is that sometimes you take a guy in the 2nd or 3rd and he starts lower on the chart because you have guys that can play in front of him….
Nelson was the had the 3rd most catches amongst WR every year with the Pack
exactly where we see Titus being. Kinda hard to call him 4th on the depth chart/
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wow... I can not type, eat and talk at the same time
And scratch everything I said above. Being a Lions I was thinking that James Jones was a RB.
Complete fail
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Not when you have BJ and DWill battling for the 3 or 4 spot.
Titus Young sure as hell better be heads and shoulders above those two.
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I agree with the PackApologist
WR’s just don’t come into the league and take it by storm, Yeah there are always exceptions to every rule (Moss) but most WR’s take 3 years to hit there stride, Even Megatron wasn’t all that his rookie year, showed flashes but that was all. Moss now would not need all that much time to grasp this offense if he did come here since his most productive years in Minnesota were under this same offense (lineham’s) and he would definitely take some major heat away from Calvin, and allow Nate to do what he does best; play slot.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Okay... again give me an example of a WR being draft in the top of the 2nd round
that was 4th on the depth chart. Any GM drafting a player that high, with the intention of that player being nothing more than a special teamer would not have a job very long. And every year rookie WRs come in the NFL and have productive seasons.
Dez Bryant, Brandon LaFell, Jordan Shipley, Mike Williams, Jacoby Ford, David Gettis, and of thes guys ring a bell????
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I'm not saying that Bishop
Even though Tim Brown was actually 3rd or 4th on the depth chart when he was drafted by the Raiders all those years ago, I think he was actually 4th on the depth chart but I’d have to go play some Tecmo Bowl to see where he was behind Swervin Mervin Hernandez, Willie Gualt, and someone else was still on that roster but the name slips my mind. The point I was making was a mute point that we all know and really didn’t need to be said, the part about WR’s usually taking 3 years to hit their stride.
How many lumps you want Doc?
But besides Tim Brown,
Vincent Jackson was 29th pick 2nd round in 2005 and he was barely the 4th string WR for the Super Chargers with Keenan McCardell, Eric Parker, and Reche Caldwell. Give me some time I will come up with at least a couple more guys.
How many lumps you want Doc?
burleson
tuck the ball high and tight. megatron better do this too. it is embarrassing to see guys at this level begging for a disaster every time they get space. keep tweeting these guys about this. HIGH-N-TIGHT, OUT-O-SIGHT.
nah
not a big enough need, we don’t have that much to spend, and much more needy places to use it
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Does not make sense roster wise or cap wise
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We don't have the room to keep him happy
and still use Nate and Titus effectively. I don’t hate Randy so much to say no never. Just have to many other needs to even consider it.
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by The Profiler on Jul 17, 2011 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tempting in a way
But to me, we already have our Moss in CJ.
by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 17, 2011 2:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
all i can think of...
is that our defense is incomplete. we need some players to fill gaps in our starting team. this is scary. that said, mayhew seems to be the master of filling holes where we weren’t looking. i think we’ll come up short this year in depth on defense (LB / CB) but we might hit on some other positions we weren’t looking at. in one more year we should have the pieces in place to make a run—past a wildcard. i can’t see how we are going to re-sign Houston and get starting caliber CB and OLBs in place. however, i think guys like Palmer, Carpenter, Alphonso Smith, and Spievey might come up big for us. wishful thinking, but i guarantee Stafford shines this season. he’s got it and teams with holes/injuries can win superbowls (Packers—OL).
I would say no ...
This would not be a bad idea if his contract came on the cheep if this was say, 2013. Bottom line is that no matter how great he helps us, in the long run he would be hurting us.
Wasting cap space. A younger player could develop in the playing time he is taking up. He would instantly make our WR core and offense better. But with our Defense not set, he would simply give us a win or so more with no REAL chance of a run at the SB. That means more wins, no SB and a lower draft pick and returns of talent. This would be the case of a player helping us raise our win record, followed by a lower winning season in say 1-2 yrs.
by Joey-P on Jul 17, 2011 7:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Good answer.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
Also, I forgot
We pretty much covered everything needed in the Moss discussion in this thread: http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/11/1/1787934/dont-expect-lions-to-pursue-randy-moss
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"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
this team already has veteran leadership @ WR
id like to see some young guys given a shot, like toone and moore, or maybe terrance tolliver.
by haywood on Jul 17, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i would like tolliver from lsu
by yamahawarrior89 on Jul 17, 2011 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sweet Jesus, no!
I’m going out back and ritually sacrificing a bunny with the sole purpose being keeping Randy fuckin’ Moss off of this football team. We’ve got a good thing going, and we’re not gonna let an old, egotistical dickhead like Moss fuck it all up for us. FUCK THAT.
by motown313 on Jul 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would like to see a veteran brought in as added insurance while Young develops his NFL game
Someone like Mike Sims-Walker could replace BJ and round out the 4 wide formation. Shack Harris could be instrumental in gettting him at a reasonable rate.
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
Respect Moss but gotta pass....
CJ Nate Titus Petti Scheff Best Heller and even Leshoure i think we are just fine in the WR catogy. Not saying we couldnt upgrade but not Moss, Mayhew would never go for it just on his character.
I like what Wayne said above and would nt mind Sims-Walker.
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by SmittyJ on Jul 17, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Being on 3 teams in one season says all I need to know
PASS
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Being on three teams makes me think cheap...
I really think that he could prosper in our system with who we have but it is most likely not worth the headache… If we could take a page out of New Englands book use and make him look great and pawn him off to someone for some picks or something. really a big gamble to pull it off but they dont call it gettting mayhewed for nothing
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I'm not opposed to passing any talent that can help our offense be productive.
Can Moss be that guy again? Who knows. Sign him to a one year, incentive-driven deal and see if he can catch 5-7 deep ball touchdowns. Next year, we’ll know more of what we have in Titus and see if our WR corps is more “set”.
I am not worried about our lockerroom. Moss would fall in line…. especially when people don’t think he has what it takes to play well anymore. Chips on shoulders can do wonders for certain players.
Moss? Fall in line?
I don’t know about that. That’s something that he’s never been able to do, even in New England, where he had both Brady and Bellicheck to keep him in line. Still didn’t keep the dude from acting out and getting cut in the middle of the season.
To me, I see more risk then reward in the situation. The 5-7 TD’s he could give us isn’t enough to risk him going on a profanity-laced tirade at the cafeteria in Allen Park, or running over a Detroit Traffic Control Officer, or giving up in games because Staff isn’t getting the ball to him often enough.
I know, I know, it’s Randy Moss, and he’s good, and blah blah blah. But you can’t forget all of the bullshit he’s put his previous teams through in the past, particularly when you have a young up and coming team like ours that seems like it could very well be on the brink of greatness. It’s just not worth it.
To make my point even more so, remember last year, when he was released, and we were second on the waiver wire list, and we passed on him? This was before we drafted Young, when we had a grand total of two competent WR’s on the roster. You think that now, after drafting Young, Mayhew would be willing to take that risk? I’m guessing not.
I think his release from NE had more to do with...
money and lack of production versus his attitude. I’m not talking about any sort of long-term investment in the guy. I just say that if he still has anything left in the tank for a year… it can only help, right? I don’t buy that he is a huge distraction anyway. Last year, him being on the waiver and all that… I think it was due to his contract, not that someone didn’t want him.
I’m not saying that I am doing cartwheels for the guy, just that our WR corps isn’t quite as set as people believe. If CJ goes down… people will know what I am talking about.
I don't think we need Moss and certainly shouldn't pay much (even the 3mil BJ gets)
but if he’s cheap, he doesn’t have to be that effective or on the field all the time. His greatest strength (and about the only thing he’s special at) is stretching the field. No defenses are going to just let Moss run free…They would almost exclusively play a 2 deep saftey scheme with CJ and Moss on the outsides…that means all kinds of fun for Linney, Staff, and the other recieving options…
Still, I think Titus may be able to have a similar effect if him and Staff can connect on some nice 9 routes early…
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This guy...again?
I hear the food is good at allen park. No need to bring the buffet buster around.
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Yeah, we must be hurting for something to talk about
…Don’t we have 3 starters at WR already?
People actually consider picking up Mandy Ross and making him a #4 receiver?
You guys realize he’s probably a future HoF’er, right?
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I would imagine Jim and Martin probably get the booger on a doorknob look
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jul 18, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he would be the #2 receiver and....
allowing Burleson and Young to play in their natural slot positions. My point is if CJ goes down injured, what happens? Young in his place? Maybe that works and maybe it doesn’t. Me personally, I would feel better having a Moss or Burress on the roster.
Too many receivers is a better problem than not enough…. IMHO.
You really think Jims going to kick players we really want down the depth chart
for a one dimensional loser that leaves a bad smell in the locker room of every team he goes to? We need players who want to be Detroit Lions and want the Lions and their fans to get a taste of the High Life. This fool is just looking for a couple bucks more, a few more numbers on the stat sheet to show the induction committee at Canton and maybe a cheap ride to the big game. Half his damn numbers came at our expense…. he’s never going to be a Lion. “Hi, Im Randy Moss and Im a Detroit Lion” Its ludicrous and frankly offensive. He’s got Bear written all over him
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jul 18, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that may be the case, but...
it’s also bad business to look past a guy that makes us a better team. I’m not saying Moss is “that guy”…. but I would suspect there would be a ton of tune-changers on this site if Moss was brought in on a 1 yr deal.
Look, do I think the Lions sign Moss? No. Would I be pissed off if they did? Hell no. In fact, I would be pretty excited by the prospect of have two of the most freakish WR to ever play the game on opposite sides of the field… on the same team. How do you cover that with Young/Burleson in the slot and Pettigrew at TE? And then there is still the issue of what happens if CJ goes down for an extended period? Young gonna take his spot? Really?
It doesn’t have to be Randy Moss, but I think the Lions would do well to see if there is a vet that can come in and take some pressure of CJ and allow Burleson and Young to do what they do best in an offense.
Well...
Setting aside whether Lions on a roll will or will not gather Moss, I would submit that as a young GM/Coach combo these guys are going to be pretty stubborn about developing our own talent. I really rather suspect that given any choice at all they are going to go with who we drafted as much as possible. Every little line I can read between tells me we are going with pretty much who we have, excluding the lb/cb kerfuffle.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jul 18, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be all that surprised....
if the Lions take a quick look-see at a veteran wideout though. Most likely, you are right….. but, I just have a hard time believing that Mayhew would ever stand-pat on a roster… ever. He is always going to look and see where the value and dollars and sense mesh to make us a better team.
Ive no doubt we look at people for every position all the time
but Drew, they already have a wily old vet in Nate. Too many wily old vets leave your position…well old. If they dont start playing the kids they drafted two and three years ago, then why in hell did they draft them in the first place? Do they or do they not know how to access college talent.. And, if you continually kick your kids down the depth chart how are you ever going to gain the trust that a team has to have in its leaders that they know what they are doing and not just continually flailing around hoping to plug in something that works.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jul 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure who you are referring though....
Young? Derrick Williams? Not like we drafted a ton of high round guys. Not sure anyone has faith in D.Williams anymore… Mayhew included.
Young and Toone and Dwilted as well, we drafted him
My chinese pug could have drafted Staff, Suh and Fairly. We need to know if they can draft outside of the 1st round. We are never going to know if our young players cant get on the field because some wily ol vet is plugged in. If they arent good enough to play, why did we draft them? We need to be able to draft and develop Lions, not rent recycled castoffs that will inevitably get us back to 8-8 but no further
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jul 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as you want the young guys....
you go with the best 53 you can suit up. I agree with you… don’t get me wrong here. I am playing devil’s advocate more than anything. I want to see Young and Williams succeed. But I also want the best players on the field and if that means Derrick Williams gets cut in the process, so be it.
I said this during the draft, and I'll say it again here
You don’t: A. Draft players as a safety net (ie: what if they get hurt)
B. Go after F.A. for a safety net. If we do this, we sure as hell better get more CB’s and LB’s because what if Levy goes down? What if Houston goes down or the Phonz? It doesn’t make sense.
With the money Moss probably wants, we could get a solid CB or LB, which would be much more helpful, regardless of injury.
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
Obviously if Moss wants...
a lucrative deal… Detroit is not the place for him. But if he generates little interest beyond a 1 yr, incentive-laden contract, then why not kick the tires on him until we find out what Titus Young can or cannot do.
And…. if we get Moss it means we can’t get a CB or LB in free agency? I think we have enough cap room to do all of the above…. plus it appears we will get up to $3million or more in roster exemptions from some of the contract language I’ve been seeing as well.
See that may be the deal breaker there
if we get Moss it means we can’t get a CB or LB in free agency?
We need both a LB and CB, and I don’t know if we can get both if we sign Moss.
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I don't understand that.
I think we have enough cap space to do all of those things. Moss wouldn’t likely be our first target… or even second. But if teams start passing and his cost drops, who’s to say that’s not an option? Now… if we sign Asomugha or some other big-dollar dude… then it’s likely not an issue.
The thing here is that we CAN go with the receiver corps we have…. I just don’t think we are all that prepared for a CJ injury, IMHO. And when has CJ played all 16? He still needs to show us he can be healthy for a full year too.
Ok...
If we get a LB and CB then go after Moss, cool. I still don’t really like Moss too much, but when he wants to prove something, he usually does. I’d still like to see us sign two LB’s and a CB this offseason before thinking about Moss.
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And....
don’t rule out a trade for a CB or LB as well. Mayhew will get creative and get the best players and fill the holes we have and keep us under the cap.
Lions talk aside
How is everything going for you? Okay enough pleasantries. I am not on board with the Moss thing. Everything I read and heard Randy was a lockerroom cancer in Minny. I do understand your thinking about “What if CJ gets injuried”. But to me Moss is not the answer.
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And I agree that it doesn’t HAVE to be Moss, but I would like to see a big threat opposite Calvin for both insurance and productivity. It’s hard for me to believe that Moss wouldn’t be productive in our offense. And… I think we have the leadership and coaching in place where Moss would either be a non-factor in the disruption dept or they would see that shit start and just cut him.
Personally, I don’t think he would make a peep…..
Cool Cool Cool I can dig that
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