Turk McBride Reportedly Agrees To Deal With Saints
by Sean Yuille on Jul 31, 2011 9:29 PM EDT
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PrintAfter re-signing cornerback Chris Houston earlier today, I mentioned that really the only two things left for the Detroit Lions to do were to re-sign defensive ends Cliff Avril and Turk McBride. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the latter of the two will end up being re-signed by the Lions. According to a report, McBride has agreed to a deal with the New Orleans Saints.
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McBride joined the Lions in 2009, following defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham to Detroit from Kansas City. In his first year in Detroit he had 27 tackles, 1.5 sacks and one forced fumble in 11 games. Last year he did even better, recording 33 tackles, five sacks and three forced fumbles in 15 games.
I was hoping the Lions would bring McBride back. While he wasn't a starter, he is talented and a great fit in the Lions' defense. Having a solid rotation of defensive ends was very nice last season, and I was looking forward to seeing a rotation of a healthy Kyle Vanden Bosch, Lawrence Jackson, Avril and McBride this year.
With McBride leaving, it becomes even more imperative that the Lions get a deal worked out with Avril sometime soon.
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That would be tough if true
Turk was better defending the run than Cliff or LoJack. Can only hope our new LBs can make up for the loss.
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disagree with the Turk better against the run than LoJack.
Turk is better against the run v. Cliff… yes. But everything I have read or breakdowns I have seen. LoJack is better against the run than Turk
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Ouch thats gunnys boy
Guess we need Cliff to return. And Willy to step up his game. Good luck to him.
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i realize that it was only preseaseon but...
Willie Young always seemed to make plays when we needed them
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agreed
I loved watching willie last preseason, he seemed like he was in high gear 100% of the time and he produced results
by TheForceOfFollett on Aug 1, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yes!
I’m definitely sad to see Turk go. I am excited to see more Willie however!
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he better be ready
to step up!
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disappointing loss, but
if our DE rotation is KVB-Lojack-Avril, we’re still pretty strong. Hopefully this means Avril signs a long-term deal, and—this might be a reach—but maybe the FO likes the chances of Willie Young making a contribution in competition for the 4th DE spot. He’s coming into his 2nd year.
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not a stretch
Mayhew said Willie could have started if it was 2009 squad…he likes him a lot, so playing a rotation role liek Turk did would make sense
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He is like Avril...
bad against run. It is the one weakness of our Dline. Avril and Willie are small and fast.
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by Matthew Malek on Jul 31, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
willie's definitely young
and it is a weakness of our scheme. That said, Avril’s a good size DE these days..you seen him lately?
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by lionstilidie on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
funny thing is
Willie Young is actually older than Cliff Avril, despite being drafted two years later.
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i remember reading stats from 2009
That said Avril was strong against the run….someone smarter than me able to find it?
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Willie Young here's your chance.
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by delusional on Jul 31, 2011 9:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jul 31, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't stay and chat.....but
…. this is just simply what happens when you get good. The Fairley pick almost guarenteed we wouldn’t retain Turk. He is a priority backup. He should play 30% or more of the snaps on a team with a average line. With us? Not so much. He is the 8th best. And since Fairley and Suh can play 1-9 on the line that means even LESS playing time for Turk. Suh, Fairley, Corey, SHL, KVB, Avril, Lojack. Turk was 8th and when you fall that far down a position group that has flexability you are basically HOPING for an injury to get on the field. He did what he had to do. We can use his money somewhere else now. Wish we would have knows earlier. We could have snagged Gholsten from the Bears too. Just to piss them off.
Malek
Dude, I worry about you.
Fairley had nothing to do with Turk leaving.
They play completely different positions and Turk’s playing time depends more on Avril and KVB then anything Suh or NF do.
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by delusional on Jul 31, 2011 9:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
indeed
I think he’s being allowed to walk should quash any of the trade Avril talk at least
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I'm not so sure about that Delusional
I have said a few times that SUH line up at DE next to Fairley, with SLh or D Will and KVB. . .With this in mind what 2 of those 3 would you double team? And regardless of the 2 you double teamed 1 of those 3 very active DT’s would be breaking threw going hog wild on a QB’s ass. To put SUH at DE he would be a Reggie White type of player and then we would not need Avril or Turk, but keep the rotation going from last year with 3 DT’s. But Fairley has to be SUH esk like in his rookie year for that to happen.
How many lumps you want Doc?
i dont think so..
I think we’ll see a lot more of Suh as a DE but permanently? no way. Our DE’s are still very solid despite losing Turk and Cliff’ll sign soon im sure
by TheForceOfFollett on Aug 1, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I only say that because of who our DC is.
Gunny wants his best players on the field as long as they can go at a high level. What DE is going to be more demonstrative than SUH when you have to double team Fairley(hopefully) and C Will or SLH. NO Tackle Left or right would want to see SUH across from him with no protection and what TE is going to really be able to block SUH when he is fresh? And then if you do shift the TE to SUH’s side you have KVB the highest motor guy we have going 1 on 1 on the other side. . It’s a win win win SACK situation. It’s like running the 4-3 with a 3-4 mentallity up front.
How many lumps you want Doc?
So basically....
you are saying that I am correct? Fairleys presence increased likely hood we did not retain Turk.
Malek
by Matthew Malek on Aug 1, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry....
but Turk would slide inside on 3rd downs for pass rush sometimes and take out the big DT. With Fairley and Suh that will never happen. AND….Fairley can play end as well as DT so we will be moving Fairley around to get playing time and keep SUh on the field. If KVB needs a break and our Other DTs are feeling good than Failey will go outside and take even more reps away from Turk. ALSO…Fairley puts MORE resources into the Dline and less money to resign Turk. Please answer all my points.
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by Matthew Malek on Aug 1, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
How long do we have to sign him? I bet they do a one year deal and work something out in the season
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by CapitolLions on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he dosnt want a 1 year deal.. he has to sign his tender and he siad he might not
so basicl he is willing to set a year if he dont get paid
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which is stupid.
He’s only getting older, there are a number of DE’s still unsigned, and turning down a contract for more money to take NO money (and possibly fines) for a year is pointless.
He isn’t Chris Johnson and the team isnt built around him…I honestly think the entire situation is a stall tactic to see who the Lions can get for other positions and then see what deal they can work for Avirl.
by lionstilidie on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sitting out a year doesn't do anything for him.
IF he sits out the year, he wont accrue a year of service. That means he’d still be a RFA next off season.
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That’s a mischaracterization of what Avril said. He said earlier this week he wasn’t sure if he would sign it, mainly because he isn’t allowed to practice until Aug. 4. If a deal isn’t worked out by then I’m betting he signs the tender and gets an extension later.
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by Sean Yuille on Jul 31, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be the smartest move for him, I agree.
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Exactly
Some people read a few snippets of what he said and read too much into it. He wants to be back and signing a new contract gets him practicing faster.
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by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 1, 2011 2:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dont
honestly, the front office probably hasnt even spoke with him because he cant report yet anyways. he cant go to another team w/o the Lions getting compensation (1st round pick) and there is a 1yr contract on the table that he has to sign if he wants to get paid.
A holdout at this point is pointless because we have depth at the position and the rights to him for the year -with (a solid player) or without (a high draft pick -which are now dirt cheap) him the Lions are better off.
by lionstilidie on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont be
The worst that could happen is we get a 1st round pick, and thats after we have the right to max whatever offer he gets. We’ve got him for a minimum of 1 year. He can’t practice till the 4th regardless so don’t worry about it till after the 4th
to be honest Willie Young was very impressive last preseason leading the NFL in sacks last preseason...
if i am not mistaken. But to me he could very well end up being a guy that just have to get on the field. I felt like he was someone that didn’t want to let go even if they had to keep 5 DE’s.
Usually when a team wins a Super Bowl they have a few players come out of the blue that no one else heard of. Willie could be that guy….
I keep saying Demario Ballard over and over cause i am in love with this guys size and speed and hands….looks really good in practice too.
Yea, I like Willie..
But that doesn’t make losing Turk feel any better.
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by CapitolLions on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree Shank
That is why I love having Mayhew as a GM. He does such a great job of finding the right player for our team that no one has even heard of. I think so of those, out of the blue, where did this guy come from are.
Berry, Willie, Culbreath, Tony Ungh (sp), Toone, Hough, SLH.
Typical Mayhew players who we get from crazy places and I am sure they all will turn into very solid back-up/ role players at the very least. Some I think could turn out to be a heck of a suprise like Berry IMHO.
this one hurts
But it was gonna happen. good luck to turk. Hope he has a great career. Willie Young, you’re up.
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by Latif Masud on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It would have hurt a lot more....
If Mayhew didn’t just have the 2nd best FA class signed to the Lions.
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by Matthew Malek on Aug 1, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Turk is a stud
You know, this same thing will happen with SLH if we don’t move Corey or Sammie next season… I don’t want to let Hill develop another year, and lose him. I say we trade Corey before next years draft. This really stings… Turk is going to be great in NO.
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SLH
Isn’t going anywhere until at least 2013, he will only have 3 year of service next offseason and he needs 4 to be a free agent.
Still say we trade CW before to get a pick or two
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by CapitolLions on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you on that Capitol. . .
D Will is a cap casualty if not this year it will be next year, especially now that Fairley is here.We can not let SLH go period. And to have SLH accept a 3rd DT position for years would make Fairley and SUH just all that much better, D Will is the old guy on our line as it is anyhow so let Mayhew . . .Mayhew someone for D Will.
How many lumps you want Doc?
not to be a stickler but no one is mayhewing anyone with D Will...
Maybe C Will though, i could see that happening
D Wheelz or D Will
C Will or Corey Williams
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congrats to him
and i hope he gets a chance to shine down there the good thing is that though he’s not here he’s on a team w/ a good shot of getting in the playoffs.
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You will see Fairly and Suh at end different times this year
and prob CW too… thats how nasty we the line is…
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by CapitolLions on Jul 31, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Fluellen could be a damn good DE if his weight was around the 280 to 290 ish area.
He could be the run stopping DE that we need.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Willie Young best be ready to party on wayne
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by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 1, 2011 2:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think we'll see Willie Young replace Turk on the field as a KVB backup
This write up explains it pretty well: http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/7/20/2284648/lions-des-of-philosophies-schemes-and-kvb
Turk is a edge sealer like KVB, whereas Willie Young, LoJack, and Avril are asked to do more traditional pass rushing.
Willie Young may get a spot on the team due to McBride’s departure, but he probably will not be asked to do what Turk and KVB are asked to do because he’s not big enough.
by WestsideLionsFan on Jul 31, 2011 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
That last sentence about size is speculation on my part
But it seems to me like the Lions prefer to use their bigger linemen to seal, whereas the smaller faster guys rush the passer in a more traditional way.
by WestsideLionsFan on Jul 31, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no, Avril's replacement...
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Lo Jack also is good as a sealer
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Damn this sucks....
I really hope that Young can fill his shoes. I liked Turk more than Cliff i hope that Jim and Martin have a plan.
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by SmittyJ on Jul 31, 2011 10:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
crazy
ness
lol
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crazy is letting Turk go...
ness is thinking Young or Flu can replace him. The Saints got them a baller and imo this was going to be his breakout year but in Mayhew and Schwartz i trust.
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Yeah, was looking for a breakout year for Turk as well....
He’ll be missed! Hope he does great out in nola.
by SoulRepublic on Aug 1, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I do agree they havent...
Hope to the gods that Mayhew is brewing something up.
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this is a great site sean, u da man. if u guys watch the pistons the site need4sheed is a great site to follow news
Follow who?
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by delusional on Jul 31, 2011 10:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am pretty sure they have figured out who they want and what they will do with them.
After the unbelievable success the FO and coaches have had the last 3 years changing the culture around here, it cracks me up how much they are still second guessed, esp FO.
DUH!!!
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He spoke of himself in the third party aspect when he was around last year also.
How many lumps you want Doc?
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Right. I've only been reading this blog for a week...and have been GLUED to it.
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by SoulRepublic on Aug 1, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Draft day was NUTS!
I would be curious to find out the amount of comments per minute with some of the larger posts.
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by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 1, 2011 2:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OK, this might verify some of my fears, and I sure hope not
I was worried that the free agent signings have left us over the cap. According to my calcs we are over by about $6 million after the veterans exemption is counted in. If we do not sign Carpenter and the signing of Avril drags out then my number may be accurate.
Another possibility is that Mayhew plans on using the $1.3 million he saved by not signing McBride to give Avril a better contract offer.
I do it just to get a ball park figure beut it is hard to get the numbers exactly accurate.
We do not always get good contract info released to us right away and we have to do some guessing.
interesting
thanks for the estimation
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Ha my first reaction was that this totally blows
but then i remembered: Mayhew has a plan
said he had to go...
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Pistons are tough to watch too
I checked out about 30 games into the season last year. Just painful to watch. I checked out the box scores but I found better things to do with my time than watch that train wreck.
by WestsideLionsFan on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
About the Pistons
Once the old man died, his wife totally screwed Joe D around with not wanting to spend money and actually making him cut roster spots for money. . . Now that Joe D has a new owner who is not afraid to spend again, give Joe about 4 or 5 years and we will see something nice again. . . And if you don’t think the Wife screwed Joe, then why the sudden trade of Billups just after he died.
How many lumps you want Doc?
DBB regular here...
there is a lot more to it than that…regardless of what Karen D. did to Joe D with regards to limiting his trade opportunities, Joe D hasn’t made a good trade since before Allen Iverson was brought to the team. If you look at the player’s he’s traded away vs. the player’s he’s brought in in return, every player he’s traded for is no longer in the league while every player he’s traded away has significantly improved with age…just a few examples being Arron Afflalo and Amir Johnson.
That said, I think Gores will be a great owner and I sincerely hope that JoD can figure things out. Pretty much if he and Frank don’t succeed in the next 3 years, they’ll both be gone.
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Then how do you explain
The BG and Vanilla-Wafer signings?
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I understand you...
neither one of those were good signings and if anything they only point to Dumars potential inability to manage this team properly.
I’m not faulting Dumars for the AI trade itself, but what he did with that free cap space was certainly a failure in judgment on his part. He overpaid for two guys who don’t value defense and are volume shooters. Neither one of which should be starting in this league. On top of that, he didn’t trade Rip when he should have (that is, before his trade value declined to less than nothing).
All in all, Dumars judgment has been extraordinarily suspect. But given the fact that Karen Davidson supposedly WAS limiting his ability to make a move, I’m willing to give him another year or two to set things straight.
Put it this way, if there is a season next year and Rip and Ben Gordon are BOTH on the team post trade deadline, Dumars should be fired on the spot. But I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until then.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
That was supposed to be a reply to Davis' defense of Joe D.
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
oh okay that makes more sense :-)
apologies for the rambling post directed at you.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
No need for apologies.
It just added firepower to our arguement. Joe D is really in a make or break year, if there is a NBA year that is. He doesn’t have to go to the playoffs. He just has to dump a bad contract or 2 and get the team going in the right directions
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
no i prefer sticking my head in a bonfire
RIP KURTIS CHAIVRE
by det32 on Jul 31, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha
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by Sean Yuille on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
better franchise?
i know this isnt a pistons site so i know this will stir the pot. but. . . . u cant pput down the pistons they were on top of the league for 7 years, they only been down for the last 2. this is where i stir the pot…. can u say that about the lions?
I think his comment had less to do with the Pistons specifically and more to do with the NBA
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by Sean Yuille on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
no hard feelings
im just a diehard fan, lions AND pistons.
Recent history favors the Pistons
But right now? The Pistons are shit, and the Lions are on the brink of greatness. I don’t think it’s really even close.
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Does anyone else want to see an epic verbal duel between of Malek and Killians? I do
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Throw Joshsun in on this when he gets going about Stafford and we have a pay-per view event
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by smelllyfingers on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry to see McBride go
And Willie Young definately has upside, but I think Mayhew will sign Derrick Harvey… typical reclamation project… There you have it.
Derrick Harvey. . . .
Is that the first time his name has been mentioned around here I think. . .Tell us a little about him Rick. .You have my attention at least.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I bet Turk was let go so we could sign Cliff to a long-term deal
I think LoJack will end up being KVB’s backup and Willie Young will be Avril’s backup. WIth Avril’s number of injuries, I think it would be wise for us to go out and sign a DE for a minimum. I was a big Turk fan, but it did not make much sense for us to pay him more than 1 million a year with the amount of depth and salary we already have on our d-line.
Wish Turk the best though.
+1
Suh, Biz Markie, Kvb , Avril , C Will, SLH, Lo-Jack , Young blood , and Andre 3000 = Silver Crush -Get em boys
by smelllyfingers on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
Cap Space?
Does anyone know what are cap space is after the signing of Tulloch?
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by smelllyfingers on Jul 31, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
Cliff Avril
Is it possible Avril walks?
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by smelllyfingers on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
No, not really
A. I doubt anyone’s giving up a 1st for him and B. We can match anyways. Cliff doesn’t have a lot of options.
HE CAN'T
For the last time…any team that signs him has to give up a first and third round pick. Even the Redskins aren’t dumb enough to pull that move…at least I think not…
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by Latif Masud on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Latif. .
Is the 3rd round tag still on him? I thought that got lifted and it was just a 1st round pick on Avril. . I could be VERY wrong but I thought I saw that on here during the lock out.
How many lumps you want Doc?
could be a trade in the works
I hope not but just a guess
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i believe the new CBA took out the First and Third tenders... only 1st can be offered now
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
well i probably read it somewhere that you wrote it so....
Thank you!
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
Yeahhh I was right for once. . .
And the woman says I’m always wrong. . .
How many lumps you want Doc?
So whats the hold up on Cliff then ?
Suh, Biz Markie, Kvb , Avril , C Will, SLH, Lo-Jack , Young blood , and Andre 3000 = Silver Crush -Get em boys
by smelllyfingers on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions
getting a good deal...
The Dis-Assembly Line - The unofficial, official name for the next best D-line in football.
I see....
I thought maybe we were maxed out on cap space and didn’t have enough dough to pay the man.
Suh, Biz Markie, Kvb , Avril , C Will, SLH, Lo-Jack , Young blood , and Andre 3000 = Silver Crush -Get em boys
by smelllyfingers on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
The Saints probably had a bigger guaranteed role for Turk
than we were able to offer. I don’t think it was a money issue, I think it was a chance for future money issue.
Will Smith is suspended for like 4 games. I think they have Turk in mind to start until he gets back.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Cmon Cliff .....
Mayhew will throw in some frequent flyer miles also
Suh, Biz Markie, Kvb , Avril , C Will, SLH, Lo-Jack , Young blood , and Andre 3000 = Silver Crush -Get em boys
by smelllyfingers on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 PM EDT reply actions
Turk I wish you the best of luck
Especially now that you are going to play next to on again off again Rogers at DT. I hope for your sake you never carry his bags threw the air post. . .You might just set off the medal detectors.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Cuts gonna be hard
Hey guys I’m new here but I gotta say I think Detroit is on the cusp of something very big here, cuz if it’s going to be very difficult to make roster cuts to the 53 man roster that means we have a lot of talented players here which is a far cry from 2008 and that d-bag millen
by Shady313 on Aug 1, 2011 12:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm curious
As to how the corner order is going to play out. Wright, Berry, Smith, and Houston could go in any order from 1-4.
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
true that.
I think those 4 are for sure solid. The others (Nathan Vasher, Brandon McDonald, Maurice Leggett, Prince Miller, Paul Pratt, Jack Williams) are gonna have to fight it out for probably 1 last spot on that roster. I liked Pratt in the preseason last year but just based on a gut feeling they stick with Vasher if they do keep 5 corners
by TheForceOfFollett on Aug 1, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
they'll keep at least 5 imo
Id be surprised if Leggett doesn’t make it.
The Dis-Assembly Line - The unofficial, official name for the next best D-line in football.
Wasn't Leggett once an up and comer but then plagued by injuries?
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to the POD Shady. . .
First name isn’t Slim is it? 313 and all.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Avril will be signed soon..
and if not, we are looking at Lojack starting. The next best DE free agents? Manny Lawson and then a precipitous drop off to Jacob Ford. NO THANKS.
For the record...
I really did not see this coming. I honestly thought that the Lions would re-sign McBride and Houston. I hope that we do not end up needing him (especially if Avril doesn’t sign his tender or get a deal done soon).
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
And if Avril goes to hisw new team, continues to develop, and has a 10 plus sack next season like he should?
Would it still be worth a first rounder?
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
his* 10 plus sack season next year*
sorry guys, it’s late
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If and only if
The team we trade him to gets a fairly high draft pick ie Cincinnati or tennesee and we use that pick on a stud o-lineman than yeah
by Shady313 on Aug 1, 2011 1:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he could not get 10 sacks last year with SUH and Will/SLH
Then how in the world is he going to go to a different team and get 10 with average DT’s?
How many lumps you want Doc?
I just think Avril is a tad over rated
But since he is a Big-10 guy I want him to succeed, i just don’t think he will. Hopefully this is his true “breakout year” and has double digit sacks and as many hurries but i just don’t see it happening. I could see KVB getting there before Avril does.
How many lumps you want Doc?
You think he's topped out, talent wise?
He was an eyelash away from another 5 sacks or so.
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 1, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel Avril is just coming into his own.
I see a breakout season for him.
He needed mentors and talent around him to shine. Not our shovels are sharp and our picks are long, type crap.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on Aug 1, 2011 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ohh and Delusion?
Dude I mean seriously when you picked your name were you trying to be funny….or were you subconsciously aware that your ideas are generally delusional? ;-) ha. You da man. Tomorrow we shall battle once more.
Malek
by Matthew Malek on Aug 1, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think its delusional for Avril to put forth a career year...
after all, he’s likely not getting that contract extension he’s wanting so he’ll have to put up to get paid…
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Because he's gotten better every year and only played 13 games last year. And I believe he played hurt in 2 or 3 of them.
And I believe he played hurt in 2 or 3 of them. With a full season of injury free football and even more experience 10 sacks is a very strong possibility.
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
I believe
that if Turk were put in at the starting DE instead of Avril, he would be at least as effective this year, if not more. If that is true, then we have a stud DE + a 1st rounder next year.
No, you're wrong.
I’m just playing man. But personally I feel that Avril’s ceiling is much higher than Turk’s. I liked Turk alot and was really hoping that we could keep him around but I knew that there would be a market for him and we only have so much money.
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I’m just as eager to see how Avril does. I just hope he gets better against the run and gets double digit sacks this year. In the end, I definitely trust Mayhew.
And with an Amen.....
I bid farewell and goodnight to all of you. FA week vacation is over. We won big. Lets hope we can win big on the field. I will have a FanPost for all my loyal followers soon. LOL I know. I don’t have one loyal follower. Except the guy that voted me for President. He is the man.
Malek
by Matthew Malek on Aug 1, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Catch ya later guys
I’m crashing too. It’s been a long few days. Good days, but long days.
by NewSchoolLionFan on Aug 1, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget about the waiver wires!
Hasn’t Mayhew found some quality gap fillers off waivers these past few years?
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
Yes he has.
But I would expect a lot less waiver signings this year than the past two. First, we will be 13th or so on the waiver list. Second, the quality of our depth has improved greatly this off-season so if anyone that is waived is good enough to make our team then they are probably good enough to make the teams ahead of us on the list.
"We're looking to improve this team every day, every week, every month until we get to our ultimate goal which is to win a championship."
-Martin Mayhew Detroit Lions GM, Master of the Universe
"Fairies don’t win championships. Bad Ass Mofo’s Do!"- Kevinz418
by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 1, 2011 2:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Guess we need
Willie young! It’s his year to step
It up
Thumbs up!
by GhostofLionspast on Aug 1, 2011 2:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry to see Turk go.
I think Turk was a great rotational player especially once KVB and Avril went down. Willie looked great in preseason last year and I’m excited to see how he performs this year.
The fear that Turk was our best run stopping end and now that he’s gone it will hurt our run game is warranted. But remember in Gunny’s defense the line gets after the quarterback first and if the runner gets past the front four then the linebackers are expected to stop the run. Last year that was a big liability but with two stud lbs now signed that are good against the run, I think our run defense will be much better.
It kinda sucks that some of the guys that have gone through the sweat and blood of the last two seasons won’t be here to enjoy the fruits of their labor. I guess that’s what it takes to build a championship team. Go Lions.
"We're looking to improve this team every day, every week, every month until we get to our ultimate goal which is to win a championship."
-Martin Mayhew Detroit Lions GM, Master of the Universe
"Fairies don’t win championships. Bad Ass Mofo’s Do!"- Kevinz418
by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 1, 2011 2:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good luck Turk
I thought he fit well in a backup role, but guys have gotta chase greener pastures I suppose. I think we are still alright, especially if Willie Young develops. Hopefully Avril signs soon.
He will do great
But after reading the responses from the Canal Steet Chronicles, majority of the aints’ fans aren’t happy with it at all.
"I’d probably get arrested because football’s my only time I get to go out there and hit people as hard as I can, and it’s legal," Follett said. "I need that once a year."
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