Something other than Nnamdi.
Ok, enough of Nnamdi Asomugha, its not gonna happen, so shut up already! This may have already come up, but if it has, I missed it. Two years ago, we drafted Matthew Stafford with the #1 overall pick, Sam Bradford decided to stay in college. Let's say Bradford didn't stay, and Stafford and he were in the same draft.
At the time, I wanted Bradford, and after he played well last year, and Stafford got hurt again, I'm kinda leaning that way now. Don't get me wrong, I like Stafford, and I think he could be a hall of famer if he can stay healthy.
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I was gonna title it
Sign Nnamdi, or something along those lines, but rames beat me to it.
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Not at all what I was expecting.
But its all good. Curry has been a chump by the way.
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shit your right
how about Jason Smith than… ; )
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I like Stafford...
…but ask me again in a year.
This year is Stafford’s year to prove himself. I’m %100 Stafford until the end of the year. The way he’s played (when he wasn’t injured, of course) has earned him a pass from me for the year, but to get one for next year he’s gonna have to show up this year.
What about Josh Freeman? He WAS in Stafford’s draft and IMO I think has shown more promise than Bradford.
I thought about Freeman, but
The question was, what if Bradford came out that same year. Freeman did, and was drafted behind Stafford. But I do agree, I think I would consider Freeman over Bradford, but that’s now, then, in my mind, Bradford was the #1 QB.
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Bradford stayed because he didn't want to play in Detroit
Stafford did. I’ll take the guy that wants to be here everytime.
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by Enforcer on Jul 6, 2011 9:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
+1
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by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 6, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen brother
Injuries or no injuries, the consensus seems to think (like us Lion fans) had Stafford never gottne hurt that they could’ve been 8-8 or better last year. This season the playoff talk seems realistic if Stafford stays healthy 16-19 games and the D-line plays lights out.
Stafford is the real deal, quite possibly a once in a decade kind of talent, I do not think Bradford, Sanchez, Freeman, or even Joe Flacco or Matt Ryan have this kid’s potential, but they all stayed healthy and that’s the only reason Stafford doesn’t get more credit.
2011 is the year of Matthew Stafford.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Jul 6, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stafford wanted to get paid who are you kidding.
Cause Staff and Dirty Sanchez both new they would be behind Bradford if they would have stayed that extra year. Bradford was the best of that class and he still is, I don’t care if we have Staff and he does go on to be a HOF player the right choice would have been Bradford then and it still is now. Yeah I can see Staff down there in Georgia saying man if I come out this year I can go play for the Lions who have not won jack shit in a decade, yeah quit fooling yourselves on that. Staff wanted to get paid and he did. I would still trade him for Bradford if I could today.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Yeah, thats easy to say now
But if Stafford puts up 35-40 TD’s and throws 4,000 yards to Bradford’s 20-25 and 3,000 yards, the Lions win bigger, better, and more than the Rams, you would be back bobbin’ Stafford’s knob. He’s had bad luck and hasn’t played much in 2 seasons, but nobody that knows anything about quarterbacks thinks Sam Bradford will become a better qb than Stafford.
Sam Bradford is a good qb and might go down as one of the better qbs in the NFL next season, but Stafford has the bigger arm and better offensive talent around him to become better than Bradford ever could be.
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by DLions4Eva on Jul 6, 2011 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ummm WHAT
Put Bradford in this offense and you would see a guy throw for 5000 yards. Bradford knows how to lead a WR something Staff hasn’t yet mastered. Again Staff and Sanchez came out early to get paid they would not have been #1 overall is they had waited. That’s what I was saying and I stick to that gun. i’m happy we have Staff don’t misunderstand what I’m saying, but they both came out a year early because they both new they would get drafted after Sam.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Easy.....
Let’s not dub Bradford king of anything yet. He looked pretty impressive against Detroit, didn’t he? Kid looks good, but has a long way to go and there are a lot of missing pieces in St. Louis.
I disagree
Bradford does not go downfield. He was put in a very vanilla offense that was run first. Sam had one of the lowest yards per attemps in the NFL last season. That tells me he threw alot dump offs and safe passes.
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he did for sure
but he was a flippin rookie without any WRs! What do you expect? Stafford’s rookie season? haha. I don’t remember if Bradford has an arm or not, but I know he’s very accurate with those short-intermediate routes…take advantage of your strengths…
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I dont think thats the case.
Because he could have pulled an Eli, and tell the Lions not to draft him, or do like Elway and refuse to play with the Colts.
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I don't get this sentiment that Bradford didn't want to play for the Leos
Whoever’s picking at #1 is terrible. Period. He came in to a very lowly Rams team and took the reigns right away – why wouldn’t he have done the same here?
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Rams were not coming off a 0-16 season
There was a quote out there that Sam said, and everyone jumped on it sensing that he did not want to play for the Lions.
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I remember that now that you say it
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Most of the time when a player does stay
Its because of a commitment to finishing their education or because they think their draft status may be higher the next draft. Bradford might’ve wanted to finish school and maybe got wind of the Lions love for Stafford and then decided to stay. I think he did the right thing and is a great choice for #1 overall for the Rams. We got the best QB in 2009 and the best DT in the last decade or so in 2010 in addition. I think it was a win-win for everybody, Stafford was the clear cut best choice for #1 overall in 2009 and Bradford was in 2010.
I wouldn’t change it for anything.
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by DLions4Eva on Jul 7, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely right.
We gained greatly from Bradford staying because we got Suh. I wouldn’t change a damn thing either.
true enough
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Interesting question
I think Bradford stayed in college because he didn’t want to compete with a guy like Stafford for the number one overall pick. The two of them are completely different types of quarterbacks. Bradford to me seems like the ultimate WCO quarterback. Great accuracy, intelligence and size combined with solid arm strength. Stafford is more like a rifle, extremely strong, yet surprisingly accurate guy.
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plus if you factor in his shoulder injury
One would think that Stafford would have edged him out.
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Good comment
They are very different. I life Bradford’s ability to manage a game much better than Staff’s, but I also thought/think that Stafford’s style fit better with the mentality of our team (Schwartz just seems like a smart, but feisty guy who enjoys gunslingers..). Bret Favre and Elway have been among my favorites of all time (before Favre sold out…) for a reason: I love the way they played the game and I see 2 players currently who have a shot in stepping into their shoes 1. Cutler – though I don’t think he’ll ever be considered elite unless he’s surrounded by talent (aka, not in Chicago) and 2. Stafford – who really does have a shot here in Detroit to live up to a balls-out kind of playmaker…he’ll make some bad decisions here and there, but he’ll make the big plays you need to win games as well!
So, if I’m unbiased, I’d probably take Bradford, but for our team and my enjoyment watching the game – I’ll take Staff
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I think we would have taken Bradford
since he seemed to be the top of most people’s boards… but assuming Stafford is 100% healthy and isn’t injury prone then I’ll take Stafford
Assuming both would play for detroit
Bradford, cuz he has plaeyed more games than stafford so far. but ask me again in a year. If stafford can stay healthy, its a different story but so far he has not so i will take bradford today
what i take out of this
i would have either guy what you guys forget Stafford was never injured in college college. same with Bradford on that point,if he went out the same year as Stafford, i don’t remember if Bradford was injured his junior year. it just who would of fit the system and i think Stafford would of because of the arm power and was able to connect down field with his WR. That would make Megatron a bigger weapon where he can break out as the best WR in the game. i would not mind Bradford either if we would of chosen him instead of Stafford not knowing Stafford got injured two years in a row.
It's not so simple...
Straight up, skill set vs skill set…I personally would take Stafford over Bradford every time. And, the dislocated shoulder that cost Bradford his final year at Oklahoma would have been his rookie season with the Lions, and everyone would be calling him a china doll.
But lets look deeper. If Bradford comes out a year earlier, Suh doesn’t fall to us at number two because there was no other quarterback good enough to take ahead of him. So we would have been stuck with either McCoy or Okung (both of which were slowed considerably this year by injury as well).
In summation, THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THE LIONS WAS SAM BRADFORD WAITING A YEAR TO ENTER THE DRAFT.
Stafford + Suh > Bradford + McCoy
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by TheMiniBarAtTheStaffordArms on Jul 6, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's certainly a true formula if I've ever seen one
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good answer
I can’t find anything to disagree about, except the.‘china doll’ part.
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I think originally, Bradford didn't go back for his senior year and we drafted him.
That’s when Sam leaped into his girlfriend’s body. With the assistance of Al and some statistics from Ziggy, they convinced Bradford to stay in school for his senior year.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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I wanted Stafford all the way
I remeber watching the Georgia v. MSU bowl game, and Stafford just took over in the second half. I remembering telling a friend, Detroit needs this guy.
To me Stafford is exactly what I want in a QB. There is just something about him when he is on the field. He has the “It” factor that I love. Matthew is a football player playing quarterback, while Bradford is just vanilla to me. Bradford might very well continue to improve and be a great NFL quarterback. But he does not inspire me with his play. When I see Stafford play, he reminds me of Farve or Elway. He is a gunslinger that loves to play football, and is going to do anything and everything he can to get a win. Bradford reminds me of Aikman. Very accurate and efficient. But he just does not excite me.
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by JCruize on Jul 6, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I have to agree JCruize, well said.
I would say Stafford unless he gets hurt or does not show up this year…..neither of which I believe will happen.
I basically said the same thing above...
should read yours first and did the ol’ “+9”
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Nah... You brought some good stuff to the table.
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Couldn't have written it better myself.
EXACTLY what I see with Matt. High energy, high motor, high intelligence, mixed with a penchant for trouble…. it all equals an exciting quarterback with the leadership and ability to win. What more could you ask for… injuries aside.
I should have added
when the game is on the line, and you need a score to win. There is only one of those guys I want. And it is Matthew.
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You got that right.
You can’t manufacture heart and grit….. Matty has both in large quantities….
by DrewsLions on Jul 7, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At the time
I would have said take Aaron Curry. But with knowledge now I would have taken Clay Mathews. Dude is a beast and it’s between him and Cushing as the best linebacker from that class. I mean I just looked up the first round from that year and there are quite a few duds I must say.
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by Christopher Moriarty on Jul 6, 2011 1:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Clay is great, I'll give you that but....
Qb is a much more impactful position than Lb (if the guy is on the field). Plus there is no way we could know if Clay would translate his talents well into what the Schwartz wants from the Olb position. He’s a pure rush lb, we want the front four to create the pressure and have lbs defend run and drop back primarily. Clay benifits from that 3-4 he’s in. As far as Cushing goes, he kinda fell off after getting busted for peds……..or tumors……..or whatever that crap excuse was he gave.
by fiendishdr.wu on Jul 6, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping they took Jason Smith
and moved up the following year for Bradford honestly. But Stafford had the stronger arm, and they destroyed Michigan St. that bowl game too I think. So I wasn’t too mad with the pick.
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Stafford all day
He just seems like more of a playmaker at the Qb position than Bradford does. When he isn’t hurt, he just seems to throw up Monster stats all the time. 5 tds against Cleveland Win. 4 tds against Washington Win. 3 tds(1 rushing) against Jets and we had a double digit lead on the big bad Rex Ryan D b4 he got hurt. I’ll take the more explosive guy and I think he’ll have a better career when it’s all said and done.
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going to catch shit.. but if it was Stafford vs every QB in the 2010 draft with OUT hindsight
it would definitely be jimmy
if it was just stafford vs bradford then stafford..
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no offense
but everyone’s talking about matt stafford and sam bradford.
who the hell’s jimmy, lol
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by yooperlionfan on Jul 6, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy WHO?
Clausen…………? Or is that some weird petname u have 4 Stafford.
by fiendishdr.wu on Jul 6, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes clausen...
and this is no hindsight only way you can do something like this imo
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LMAO
Nice one. Funniest joke I ever heard
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No1 thought that highly of Jimmy
Didn’t he go in the 3rd round? He’s got nowhere near either one of the other two’s talent hindsight or not.
by fiendishdr.wu on Jul 6, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So Walt is your reason for this
That explains alot lol
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by The Profiler on Jul 6, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
is it just me
am i the only one not getting this at all, what does “he had a 4 to 1” mean
and clausen couldn’t carry staffs or sams jock, period, if you think he is as good as them, you are even crazier than i thought
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by yooperlionfan on Jul 6, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
4 to 1 is 4 TDs to 1 int... if i rmber right he had 28 TDs and 7 ints in his 09 season
RIP KURTIS CHAIVRE
couldn't care less
one stat does not a pro qb make, he was never, and will never be as good as bradford or stafford, imo
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by yooperlionfan on Jul 6, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Guy has yet to prove he can lead
I’m not convinced he walks with one foot in front of another
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by The Profiler on Jul 6, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Tons of guys have stats like that every year,
But college stats don’t make you draft a guy #1 overall. There was a guy in last years draft, (can’t remember his name, he’s from Texas tech, or a&m or somewhere Texas) he had 40 something TDs, and kept his INTs down. Didn’t even get drafted, signed by Dallas as a unrestricted free agent. So Jimmy “Pickle boy” Clausin’s stats really mean nothing.
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Oh please
That (somehow) is the dumbest thing you’ve ever said.
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by Sean Yuille on Jul 6, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+9
That made me giggle.
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by TheMiniBarAtTheStaffordArms on Jul 6, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 7, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The only people that were high on Clausen
were the people getting high with Clausen
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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by Leonuro on Jul 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
sooooooo
get over getting a cb we arent gonna get FA in the future and talk about prev drafts lots of sense here
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