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Okay our back seven look.

Now I just went and deleted what I found out about some of players but oh well I will try to do this by memory.  Now given that preseason has not started yet and we have not seen these players in action some changes would be warrented when the 2nd game gets done. Now I am only going to look at the back seven of our Defense.  The front four is set once Aug 3rd hits.   Now more after the jump.

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Okay here is the list of players for LBs.

DeAndre Levy - can play OLB and MLB and is pegged to start at OLB

Caleb Campbell - plays OLB and is a special team can also be placed on practice squad

Isaiah Ekejiuba - is a special teamer can play MLB not eligible for practice squad

Zach Follett - plays OLB and is a special team not eligible for practice squad

Justin Durant - plays OLB and is pegged to start

Ashlee Palmer - plays OLB and is a special team not eligible for practice squad

Stephen Tulloch - plays MLB and is pegged to start

Doug Hogue - plays OLB but word on the street is he can get on board for special teams pretty quickly

The next 5 players are just camp bodies and should not get a roster spot unless they outshine one of the players above.  They are the following: Quentin Davie, Cobrani Mixon, DeJuan Fulghum, Daunte Akra, and Korey Bosworth.   All of these players are eligible for practice squad.

My thoughts on the LB group is we go with the LTD as our starters being, Levy, Tulloch, and Durant.  We then select 3 OLBs as back ups.  I would think it would go Zach Follet, Ashlee Palmer, and Doug Hogue.  I select Hogue primary as he the future OLB for the team and just needs time to groom.  I also do not think a 5th rounder is going to last through waivers. 


Now onto the corners.  We currently have the following players on the roster.

Chris Houston - started last year for us should be starter again

Eric Wright - starter for Cleveland should be starter for us

Alphonso Smith - started for us last year but could be a solid Nickel this year if gets beaten by Wright

Aaron Berry - started last year and should provide some solid competition for Wright, can be a practice squad player

Maurice Leggett - solid special teamer has filled in for starts on occasions

Jack WIlliams - a good special teamer has not started in the NFL. 

Prince Miller - a good special teamer has not started and can be practice squad player

Paul Pratt - has not played in a regular season game and as such is practice squad eligible

Brandon McDonald - has not started recently but should push the top 4 for a spot, has started in half of his NFL games

Nathan Vasher - started 5 games for us last year, been a Bear the previous 6 years also the oldest CB on staff

Brandon Bufford, Jamal Robinson, and Brandon Stephens are all UDFA but with the recent resigning of Houston one could be cut this morning still.  Outside of that should be camp fodder but if impressive on Special Teams could grab a roster spot or the practice squad spot. 

My take is this on the postions. 


LCB - Chris Houston

RCB - Eric Wright

Nickel - Alphonso Smith

Dime - Aaron Berry

Quarter - Maurice Leggett

Special Teamer - Jack WIlliams

As for safeties I think we can just peg it as Louis Delmas and Erik Coleman starting.  Amari Spievey as backup with John Wendling as a special teamer.  I highly doubt Randy Philips or Ricardo Silva will make the team.

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Randy Phillips

Will be on the squad I think

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by Detroitnr1 on Aug 1, 2011 7:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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by Nate D. on Aug 1, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this show is so

retarded you can’t stop watching it

I have a 9" personality

by Waitingfortheroar on Aug 1, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

They really like Phillips I see him and Coleman as the backup safteys.

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by The Profiler on Aug 1, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it except look out for

Berry to be Our Nickel. He looked very good last year both in the preseason and in the first game before he got hurt and I would expect the competition between him and Phonz to be a bullrush.

by Budro2010 on Aug 1, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Smith is better than Wright..

But thats what camp and the pre-season is for.

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Aug 1, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

jury is still WAYYY out, but...

im thinking randy philips gets the spot over wendling.

by haywood on Aug 1, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

"Power flows to the one who knows how. Desire alone is not enough." -MEGATRON

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by The Profiler on Aug 1, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

camp battles are gonna be insane for CB

projected :Houston, Wright, Berry, Phonz, last 1-2 seem in air

i know a lot of people are on the Berry wagon but i honestly see Houston and Wright as the 1-2 less Wright turns out to be another Johnathan Wade. I dont think Houston would have come back to play nickel so seems like he’s slotted one way or another at 1 or 2 and the other is going to be a hard battle at camp and during preseason. After that it does get a little tricky as you got Vasher McDonald and Leggett all legit back ups who have vet experience who can make the push on players for those spots but also see one them being the odd man or 2 out pending how many they take. However this is any other CB’s chance whos name isnt Phonz to step up and get on the roster this injury is going to hurt his chances i think a bit in keeping his spot especially if when he comes back he under performs or that injury lingers, there’s no doubt he’s going to lose some speed this year.

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by JaiGaiaAries on Aug 1, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

My Question is...

Do you move Levy, who has shown capable skills in lining up the defense and has established his leadership, to the outside?

I just don’t agree with that…. but I’m also not a NFL coach.

Logistically… and logically, Tulloch should have the ability AND know-how to more than adequately play OLB.

However, as it seems by the one year deal, the window is open for Tulloch to out perform Levy and become Detroits new MLB/leader on Defense. One could make the point that Mayhew flat out told Tulloch… “we won’t pay you MLB money, until you show us you are better than the one we have”.

Anyone have thoughts on this situation? I’m excited to see how the LB depth unfolds….more than any other postion.

by CLF on Aug 1, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm...

I’ll check that out.

by CLF on Aug 1, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt' get that from any tweet,

he twatted. I went back to mid July.

At most he corrected Killer that they don’t use “strong/weak side” but right and left…. and he said he knows both in and out positions and will play where ever the coaches decide to play him.

by CLF on Aug 1, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

The tweet I was referring to is the one where he tells Killer that the outside linebacker positions are identical and it is between the players to decide which side they want to play, that is is just about playing where you are more comfortable. That response was because Killer asked him which outside spot he would play because there was some question about his suitability to play on the “strong” side.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am wondering why you bailed on Nathan Vasher

He is the oldest CB, but he is not old. It just happens that the Lions CBs are pretty young. There were a lot of folks that were pretty high on Vasher after he made the tackle to win the Miami game. It can’t be about what the players have done lately, because your choices of who to keep over Vasher include a number of players that did not play at all\ and did nothing.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Frankly

I would trade Alphonso Smith and keep Vasher for this season. I really think that Smith will struggle his entire career because he is a gambler. He does not have the feel for when to jump that guys like Asante Samuel have. He is always going to be a lightning rod because he will make a few picks but he will also look very bad and give up a number of touchdowns too. The reason that Phonz is better at nickel than at outside corner is because he can keep the play in front of him more easily. That allows him to avoid some of the big plays against him. But Phonz is not really suited to being a nickel back because his run defense and tackling skills are not good enough. He is small and often gets run over in the rushing game.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gunther is a gambler in a different way.

His gambles are more about using a selection of blitzes in different situations in order to pressure the QB and force them to make bad decisions. That results in more picks because the QB tosses the ball up for grabs. He doesn’t do that as much since last season because the Lions are successfully getting pressure with the front four. There is no need to gamble by blitzing under those circumstances. Jim Schwartz addressed this issue in the final press conference after the Lions 2010 season ended.

Taking chances as a cornerback are an entirely different issue. It is great if you get the tirnovers and DO NOT surrender big plays. Then your gambles are a net positive and they help the team on the scoreboard and in field position. Once of the best examples of that type of CB is Asante Samuel. He will play back off the receiver then jump up on him when the QB thinks he has room. His quickness and instincts allow him to make plays.

There is no possible way we can compare Alpho9nso Smith to Asante Samuel. Smith lets guys get behind him when he gambles and Samuel does not. Samuel has much better instincts to know when it is the right time to jump a route or whether he should continue to keep the receiver in front of him so that he can avoid the big play. Smith tries to jump every route he can and later in the season the offensive coordinators learned how to victimize him for it., please see Patriots/Brady. Once the OCs got wise to Phonz he became ineffective and actually a net negative on the field.

At this point of his career, Alphonso Smith needs to learn how to make better decisions and also needs to improve his pure cover ability. Sorry, but he will never get much bigger so he will always be a small CB. I do not believe that Smith is going to learn how to do that any time soon. Because of that, I feel that guys like Berry and Leggett will surpass him relatively quickly.

If you accept the idea that Smith will fall behind Berry and Leggett, and maybe even one or two other guys, then you can see why I want to trade him. His value will only go down as time goes on and he cannot get on the field. So my CB lineup would look like this…

CB1 – Wright
CB2 – Houston
Nickel – Vasher/Berry
Dime – Berry/Vasher
Reserve – Leggett

PS – Pratt, Miller

With this situation you get the best value return that you are ever likely to get for Phonz. Even if the Lions get a fifth round pick for him that is essentially trading a seventh rounder (Gronkowsi) for a fifth rounder. While that don’t sound as sexy as the seventh for the Phonz who was a first round pick, that first round pick doesn’t mean squat if you are not getting what you want from them. This isn’t about keeping score on how badly Mayhew ripped off another team. it is about the score on the scoreboard at the end of games.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

fail

"Power flows to the one who knows how. Desire alone is not enough." -MEGATRON

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by The Profiler on Aug 1, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL, it was Phonz that "failed" not me

I am just pointing out what I see. Like many of the guys that Mayhew has traded for, we like to think of him as being the next best thing since sliced bread. But Phonz was really not all that good last year once you take away the picks. Interceptions are fickle things. It is possible, probably even likely, that Smith will never get that many picks again in his entire NFL career.

What I am saying is don’t fall in love with one stat because it is sexy, look at the whole package. When you are buying into Phonz it is like buying into the girl with the great bustline, but she is a pig and had a horrible personality.

So tell me what Phonz has shown beside some ability to jump routes and get picks? Tell me what happened to that ability after the Jets game last season. Did his ability to make an interception and break up passes just disappear? Because you need to go look at the stats. After week 9 Phonz was a non-factor for the Lions.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact, I will take that one step farther

After week 9, Phonz was a net negative for the Lions. Isn’t it funny how he rarely seen the field in the Lions four game winning streak? I think if you go bakc and look at the plays that Phonz was involved in over the season you will se3e that he gave up more touchdowns than he got interceptions. That is a net negative in my book. If he can’t bring something else to the table then he is not helping the team with his picks if he surrenders so many TDs as well.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phonz made some highlights

so it made him look like he has potential and he probably does but is this why Denver was so quick to make the trade? one has to wonder.

 The other thing is right now that injury I think is going to put him on the back burner and having a big fight for that roster spot or where he is on depth. Im sure they see him as nickel or dime but they are hoping someone like Wright Houston and Berry are their 1-2-3 punch more so. They dont want to see those burns they saw from Brady coming from Rodgers, McNabb, or Cutler makin them look like Brady.

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by JaiGaiaAries on Aug 1, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Front 4

If you’re including Fairley. You may want to think again. He’s injured. Sure, not a major injury is seems but, the rookies have little time this year to get with the system as it is.
You will see Williams or Hill starting. Personally, I’ve never thought he would start, at least early in the season. He’s powerful but oh so green. Plus watching from the side lines just might kick the “I’m all that” from his system, and make him work!

Expectations don't produce!

by 2manyears on Aug 1, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know about that

Schwartz said the DT’s have a half a page in the play book, highlighted by “Kick Butt” I think Fairley will do just fine, he may not start day 1, but I wouldn’t count him out.

"My grandma could play behind that line!"- Zack Follett

by donl517 on Aug 1, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was actually being factual with that statement.

It was really just PR spin for the media and fans. I guarantee the defensive line has a playbook longer than a half a page.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

some responses

The issue of Vasher is not one of talent or age but frankly salary cap. We are so close to the 120 million cap that the Lions might just cut him instead of say some of the others as he has a 1.275 million salary this year. That is also why Paul Pratt is getting axed this year. I just do not think we can keep them when the others are either at the minimal or close to it.

Now for the safety issue. John Whendling has a 575,000 signing bonus this year. If we were to cut him that stays on the books. I just do not see us keeping Philips and not him. We are not having more than 4 safeties so with the Coleman, Spievey, and Delmas penciled only one spot is left.

As for the DLine, it is set outside of Avril signing his tender or a contract come Aug 3rd. We have 5 DT with Fleullen getting the ninth spot as a hybrid DT or DE.

Of course this is all a given considering injuries could change things.

Now back to CBs, I only assumed the roster positions with what they did last year and their career. That is why Jack Williams is so low although he could be a very good player. I put Phonz as a Nickel back as he has started a ton of games for us last year and was decent until the Turkey game where he got caught with his pants around his ankles. To be honest though I think Houston gets the LCB like last year with RCB, Nickel and Dime being a toss up but I have to say that Eric Wright has a much better shot at being the RCB since he is a 4 yr vet and started a ton for Cleveland.

by MisterEK on Aug 1, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

OK, cutting Vasher for salary room makes some sense.

I can buy into that as being a possibility. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

by TuffLynx on Aug 1, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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