Shaun Hill Should Stay With Lions
by Twon82 on Aug 13, 2011 12:03 AM EDT
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PrintI have seen some people mentioning that they believe, due to Drew Stanton looking very sharp in tonight's preseason game (and I am sure because of his performance last year when he played), that Shaun Hill should be tested on the trade market. I have a one word response to this: WHY?
Are we crazy? We have Matthew Stafford, a franchise-caliber QB that can obviously do great things on the field when given the chance. He's an excellent leader, accurate and confident, and has the locker room under his wing. Most teams don't have good backups. At all. Period. Take the Patriots. Or the Colts. Or any of these teams that rely so heavily on their star QB. If Manning or Brady goes down, so goes the season, most likely.
The Lions have not been a team of fortune for the past decade, but we all feel this tide turning very quickly thanks to the new front office and the players that have been brought in. Our quarterback situation is EXCELLENT. Matthew Stafford, Shaun Hill, Drew Stanton. Shaun Hill could start for many teams in the league. He helped salvage some major positivity last season as the main sub for Stafford. Stanton did as well, but Hill is much more game-tested and has a veteran presence.
I ask you, why would be get rid of this situation for a 6th round pick?!? It'd be one thing if Hill was super worried about leaving and starting somewhere, but he has stated that he is perfectly fine with his role in Detroit. Last year, we rotated between the three of them. Stafford went down, Hill goes in......Hill goes down, Stanton goes in.....Stafford gets healthy and comes back.....gets injured again and Hill comes back. Stanton even got injured in there somewhere but came back again. Could we have done that with Stafford, Stanton, and Chris Painter.....or Rex Grossman.....or Jordan Palmer....Ricky Stanzi?
I'm perfectly happy with the QB lineup. Why fix something that isn't broken? Let's let it be, guys.
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well their mght be some teams due a mayhewing for him... miami or san fran hmmm sure there is more
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I think the point is...
….we can’t get enough for it to matter. A 6th is about all he’s going to go for.
USE THE SCHWARTZ!!!
no i believe the point is that there a very few on the roster who are not candidates for trading...
i dont think he is one of those players… there is definitely a scenario where i would be fine with parting ways with Hill
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IMO you keep Hill, he is our clear cut #2
His leadership is far beyond the other guys and even Staffords. He is a good Matt in a lot of ways still and the guy is solid as a rock. You need that veteran presence there to bail you out if, God forbid, anything should happen to Stafford.
As much as I like Drew Stanton he if anyone is the movable piece, or Zac Robinson. For one they are younger and have more upside, therefore more trade value. For two they are the clear 3 and 4 on this team. Personally I would stand pat with them and Practice Squad Zac again. If he don’t clear waivers then oh well, any team that picks him up and actually starts him for a significant amount of time would likely yield us a compensatory pick.
Why would you trade away any of them when you have a great situation depth wise? Sorry I just don’t see any sense in creating holes on your roster when you have a good situation. As the old saying goes, if it’s not broken…..
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Not totally disagreeing with you...
And I tend to lean towards profiler’s comment above…
But the biggest issue I have with Hill is his slow starts and poor finishes. How many games last year did he lead the team back from his slow start only to come up short? (Cough Bills, GB cough)…. The guy frustrates the hell out of me.
Even last night…. 2 series of crap… then finally on the 3rd he gets a score… on a defense that was limping the whole game.
Do I think he’s a solid #2? yes
Do I think Stanton is better? That’s obvious
That being said, if you were a GM and your newly drafted QB is struggling… do you trade for more ‘potential’? or do you trade for a veteran?
However, after its all said and done, Linehan’s loyalty to Hill will not allow him to be traded.
I dont think anyone here would disagree
Hill played great last year, and its hard to find a backup QB who played that good.
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He did?
It was solely him? Or was it the fact that we played close games and we just lost because we’re still a growing team. He won a lot of games for us too.
USE THE SCHWARTZ!!!
The whole team let a lot of games get away.
There are no games, Buffalo included, that Shaun was the only reason we lost.
I am still stunned by that Buffalo game
WTH happened? I mean, its that confusing. I kept thinking, this is just one of those hick up games young teams have now and then.
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I put most of Buffalo blame squarely on playcalling.
“They suck at run defense” = “let’s just keep running, obviously these TFLs are just flukes” = “what, no progress? Okay, let’s try running again.”
When they finally got their heads out of their asses in the play calling we started doing well, but it wound up being too little too late. Buffalo was hungry, they knew they had to pay extra attention to shoring up their run defense, and we didn’t play to our strengths (passing); it was a breakdown waiting to happen.
Sure
If you forget the fact that Shaun Hill was the one that led the offense to the point that the 2pt conversion even mattered in the first place.
blah, blah blah.
lol.
He put up good #‘s… but just didn’t have “IT” or enough of “IT” to win a game until Stanton showed him how….lol. (I’m poking a bit, but with a bit of seriousness too)
It's something to consider,
but, all in all, I see the only qb that could go is Stanton. Even with him though, I’m not sold that we could get out of him what he is worth.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
You cannot disregard the idea of trading.
I agree Hill is valuable as a backup but we still have needs on this team. Center could certainly be upgrade. I don’t think I would deal him off for a 3rd round draft pick at this point in the season but a 2nd rounder or address another need that would affect the starting L/U? You’d be crazy to not entertain the idea. Hill does appear to be comfortable, affordable, and respected here which to me are some intagibles that would make it more difficult to deal him away but this is a business still. If you can let him go for a guy with a greater impact on the team then you have to pull the trigger.
It's kind of a weird thing on this site
but whenever Drew Stanton has a good game (good, of course, being a relative term), people start deciding we don’t need two quality backups and should dump one of them. It’s odd. Especially considering that we needed BOTH in a number of games last year.
Patriots do it all of the time... the build the value of a player that is a back up and trade them away
I think in the salary cap era you have to consider those moves. Stanton is on a one year deal. No one threw money at him this year and we where able to resign him. But he won’t stay a secret for long. So getting value out of him is important. He is still young and very good and if he continues to have a good showing he will be gone and we won’t get anything from it…….THAT is why you consider a trade
I agree...
It’s been a long time since we’ve had some good depth at QB position. I think we should take a good long time and think the QB situation out as far as that goes. But, I dont see how it will hurt us if we keep all 3 of them. I mean pic’s and trades are good…but that said… What’s wrong having a triple threat at QB position??? Like… it doesn’t matter if Matt gets knocked out or not. Or something to that effect.
We should definitely keep Hill
Sure, if we get some great offer from some team than we should consider it , but to me, he’s our backup.
A couple names for you
Matt Cassell…
Ryan Mallett…
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I think Drew would have more value on the market than hill
but I would want both here. Zac however did show some promise last night. I could ses him going for a late draft pick or a RB that no longer has a place on his respective team.
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for hill i say a 3rd or 4th... for stanton i say a 2nd or 3rd... that is a steep price to ask of any team
but all it takes is one team to say “wow we suck we need a qb”…. i could see Seattle (our trading partner) Taking Stanton for a 2nd round pick… he is better than anyone they have and to me could be a star in the NFL…. he is better than anyone the Vikes have….he is reallly good.. So if a team offerend a 2nd you have to pull the trigger…. especially since Drew is on a one year deal and we are just gonne end up losing him if he plays well in the preseason in the next few games… goes into free agency. He won’t be passed up again next year in this QB driven league…
Plus in the Salary Cap Era do you really think we could keep him anyway if a team throws money at him?… this is called staying ahead of the game. Why not get value in return. Pats do this all of the time. And i would not trade him for a player only draft picks…Bill Belicheck has proven this roster management concept works!
Donovan McNabb
is a good quarterback. A really good quarterback. I don’t know how Stanton is better than McNabb.
he is better at this stage in his career. Stanton is much more of a down field thrower...
and just as instinctive “right now” as mcnabb or better. Plus he is younger and cheaper and all of those factors come into play in the salary cap era… alot of teams will look at him and then look at what they have and really consider it… but if he is allowed to go into free agency we will get NOTHING form his services.
So all i am saying is we will have to cross that bridge soon. Why not cross it while management has the advantage and can retain something form this asset. Or… we can let him walk in free agency…or pay him a high salary (can really match another team and then KEEP him as a 3rd stringer?)… or we can deal Hill (but he has less value)….
It is a matter of taking action while you are the dealer…or we could get nothing when he has alot of value….thats alot of cash to have to alot 3 quarterbacks in the salary cap era
That pass to felton
Was the worst pass of the day. Throwing across the field, while under pressure is never a good idea. Those plays are extremely dangerous. Stanton got lucky. That is the kind of play that ends up with a pick 6 for a D lineman.
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It was good awareness.
Stanton drew the defenders to him and flipped it back to Felton. There were NO defenders in between.
It was no different than a screen.
except on a screen there is lineman in the way to block the ensuing defenders from a pick 6
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I forgot to add
Throwing across the field, across your body, while under pressure in never a good idea.
That “across your body” is the most important part. Just a terrible decision that, luckily for Stanton, worked out for him. That is a part of his game that I love. He is fearless and often reckless. He has an uncanny ability to do things that not a lot of QBs can do. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I am happy it did this time.
I will always call a pass like that a terrible decision, no matter who is throwing the ball. Just far too much could potentially go wrong.
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nice to see that he knows where everyone is though...
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indeed
His on field awareness has improved leaps and bounds in the last year or two. He is clearly ready for #2 duty on the team. Unluckily for him, Hill has that spot locked up.
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Josh,
Donovan McNabb is NOT a pretty good QB, he’s terrible this stage in his career.
And there was absolutely nothing wrong with Stanton's across the field, across the body throw
There would have been had it turned out badly, but it didn’t, so it isn’t.
I wasn't saying we shouldn't deal Stanton.
I’m just saying, comparing a well-known commodity that still put up solid numbers (ints notwithstanding) on a bad team, to a promising career backup, is kind of silly.
If you want to compare him to Kolb, I’ll buy that any day; but Stanton doesn’t have nearly the hype machine behind him.
In my opinion Hill is the expendible one.
Trade Hill and offer Stanton the #2 spot permanently and sign him to a longer deal before he does something that makes him expensive. He’ll take it because with Staffords track record of injuries he knows odds are he could be the guy. His entire career has been in Detroit so far so why jump ship after all this time invested. Not to mention there are far more weapons on this offense then an NFL team that would make him a starter would have. I wouldn’t trade hill at this point still unless it was a 2nd rounder because we need to upgrade our O-line at least in depth if anything. Maybe late in the season we deal him for a draft pick but not at this juncture. We still have areas he could be used to improve.
by MonteCarlo7888 on Aug 13, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I wouldn’t trade any of our QB’s for McSlab or Flatt Cassell, Ryan Mullett Head…
Sorry man. I like our QB corp.
one for one deals?
I would trade either of our backups for Cassell or Mallett. I mean come on. Cassell was 10-6 last year and was 11 and 5 the year he replaced Brady. The kid has it.
Mallett, I have always felt he would be a good QB. He is so damn big. Reminds me of Ben R.
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sorry man...
i don’t see them fitting in our scheme of football. All I have on Cassell is that he had Belichick. I would probably be a good QB under him. well… that might be a stretch. ;)
I would trade Hill but only to Miami for Long...
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by SmittyJ on Aug 13, 2011 11:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
We keep all 3
Untill we have a solid O-Line,IMHO
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by Lionz Fowlweatherfan on Aug 13, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
Man, I dont understand this QB talk...
i mean we finally get good QB depth, and…let me get this right. we wanna trade our back ups cause there good?
‘cause that’s what the talk sounds like to me
Too me it is about value xp
You can keep Stanton and let him walk in free agency… cause if a team wants him do you think we can match a big deal to maintain our 3rd string qb?
Or you can lock him up to a contract (but he would likely turn it down because even he knows he is in for a pay day in free agency)
Or you can trade him and get a draft pick …you keep that value for a player that is on the bench anyway
Yes there is risk because if depth and injury. But that is the same chance any team takes. However how i see this playing out is we keep him and they someone offer him a big deal….and the only way we keep him is if we make another roster move….cause someone is gonna offer him starting money…. you can’t tell me teams like Seattle or Washington or Miami don’t see the Tap and he won’t stay a secret for long……they teams will snatch him up and the Lions will be left with nothing in return
It is all about thinking ahead.. but of course it has risk… but if your scared that we will lose both Matt and Shawn to injury then sure keep him… if not then we have to consider offers
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You’re making my exact point. And many don’t seem to get that my argument is that we WON’T get value for him. Period. He is WAY better than a 6th round pick. But the market won’t pull more than that generally. If we got value for him, than I would be happy.
USE THE SCHWARTZ!!!
Point of order.
I asked what is Hill’s trade value. I did not say let’s trade him for a 6th round pick.
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by RealityIsOptionable on Aug 13, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I've read Stantons web sight...
He says he wants to stay in Detroit. I mean if he wants to stay and be a Lion and he’s happy where he’s at as a Lion and he’s ok w/ his paycheck…
If somebody offers… well lets talk then.
I just think we’ve taken a long time to build up a QB corp. jus’ to simply start trading them away.
I see your guys point. Im just having a hard time with it. Eh, what can I say man. I guess Im looking at it at different angle.
Injuries
Mayhew is now building a team with quality bench players. I too was impressed with Stanton’s play. We need to remember that the Lions needed their #3 to play last year as did many franchises. Something like 2/3 of the starters went down at one time or another. Very few teams has a backup as good as Hill. I won’t debate whether or not he could have played better, but I would debate that he is better than many 2s out there. That is what Mayhew does for us. He won’t trade this away because he is building a team.
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