Lions Notes: Gunther Cunningham, Matthew Stafford Talk About Ndamukong Suh's Hit
by Sean Yuille on Aug 18, 2011 2:04 AM EDT
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Print- NFL Network's Rodney Harrison sat down with Detroit Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh on Wednesday.
- NFL Network's Brian Baldinger, Kris Jenkins and Willie McGinest debated if Suh is a dirty player and all of them said he's not. In fact, all three of them heaped quite a bit of praise on Suh.
- Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham blamed the concerns over Suh's play on the NFL: "The problem with the league is they’ve never seen a tackle like this, that’s their problem." He also essentially told the NFL that there's more where this came from once Nick Fairley gets healthy.
"I’ve got news for them, the next guy when he gets well he’s close to Ndamukong. (Nick) Fairley is a fine, fine athlete, and what’s happening they’re getting 300-pounders in this league that can run like defensive ends, they’re going to make plays that other guys can’t make,’’ Cunningham added.
Cunningham certainly isn't afraid to speak his mind. - Here are Matthew Stafford's thoughts on the Suh hit:
"I (can see) both sides," said Matthew Stafford. "I don't know if there is any way for Ndamukong to know that he gets rid of the football. He probably still thinks that he is getting the sack right there, until the whistle is blown. I think he's a great player, he's a tough player, a strong player, and he plays until the whistle. That's part of the game today."
- Mike Lockley, an undrafted rookie for the Jaguars, was fined $20,000 for a hit against the Patriots. It's somewhat surprising that a guy like him is being fined a whopping $20,000 considering he isn't making much money to begin with and is a first-time offender. I suppose the big difference is Lockley was fined for leading with his helmet, whereas Suh was fined for a late takedown of a quarterback.
- Fairley's teammates on the D-line praised his work in the classroom.
- Lions wide receiver Nate Burleson mistakenly thought the capital of Michigan is Flint.
- Based on how much Scott Linehan and Jim Schwartz have praised wide receiver Rashied Davis, I think's it's safe to say he's close to a lock to making the team.
- Jerome Felton is hoping he will be used more going forward than he was in the preseason opener.
- Trent Dilfer is officially replacing Matt Millen on Monday Night Football.
- Cleveland's Peyton Hillis tweaked his hamstring on Wednesday.
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Brian Baldinger, Kris Jenkins and Willie McGinest know SO little about football!
The football geniuses on POD told me that Suh was a dirty chickenshit player, so it must be TRUEEEE!
LOL!!
the difference is Baldinger, Jenkins and McGinest have actually stepped foot on a football field, the ones on POD that say he should have stopped have prolly never felt what its like to put a helmet on, and if so then prolly sat the bench for being too soft
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't know anything either.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/18/tony-dungy-ndamukong-suh-has-to-change/
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Del
Dungy’s street cred is already gone in my eyes. He backed Vick coming out, and he had Sapp who was a DT that Suh is out of the same mold. So for Tony to say anything bad is just hypocritical.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I disagree.
I respect Dungy’s opinion and it makes sense to me that as a former coach he wouldn’t want his player’s incurring these costly penalties.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Dungy does view himself as sort of the moral compass of the NFL. But he does seem pretty level headed, and agree or disagree, I do listen to his opinions.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Im starting
to agree with you to some extent. I do believe that Suh needs to watch it or else he will be suspended and we really don’t need that. I still think that the Dalton thing happened so fast there was nothing Suh could do to stop. When he first made contact the ball was in his hands. Maybe Suh can go lower next time like at the waist I guess. Something he will have a work on a little bit
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly,
I didn’t think it was that bad of a tackle. I don’t think it was where he hit Dalton, but rather the twisting motion at the end of the tackle that sold it. It wasn’t even a hard one, but he whipped him around. That’ll be a flag everytime.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Your stating very close to what I've been trying to say.
It’s not the violence, it the perception of violence.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
It’s not the violence, it the perception of violence.
in the eyes of Refs that already believe he will do just about anything he feels like doing to QBs when he get a hold of them.
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where to begin
Suh and Fairly will seriously change everything…i am still wondering how do you block these 2 DTs in in a 4-3… SMDH
@ Nate lol
@Jerome Felton… really, this again.. try making the team first (then again he prolly will ..sigh)
Trent Dilfer is a upgrade…never thought i would say those words
I hope he is used more.
My post in a “Felton hating thread”
Alright, enough with the Felton “SUCKS”
The guy touched the ball 30 times last year…. 30. The entire season. (less than 2 times a game)
5 games with NO rushes.
10 games with no receptions.
WTF? and you all want to replace him for what? for 30 plays a year?
The FO just resigned him on a 1yr 1.2 million contract.
My guess is… Felton is going to be used more in the passing game AND in the running game… especially with Leshoure out. In 2009, he had only 13 receptions… but produced over 10ys/catch.
You haters are attacking a guy who has had NO significant opportunities to excel as a rusher or a receiver. In fact, his total TOUCHES (rush&rec)… a whopping 69 touches in 49 games played.
Come’on! Give this kid the ball before you kick him to the curb.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4898/jerome-felton
by CLF on Aug 17, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
I'm gonna have to agree
I know he didn’t play college ball at a big school, but he carried the ball a lot and racked up some decent yardage. People seem to think that he can’t run the ball without ever having seen him get a chance.
I would like to
see us use him and to put Heller at FB just for the short yardage situations
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Suh, Biz Markie, Kvb , Avril , C Will, SLH, Lo-Jack , Young blood , and Andre 3000 = Silver Crush -Get em boys
by smelllyfingers on Aug 18, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
All I remember is
Jerome fumbling against the Cowboys last year and costing us the game. Then he wants to pop off at the mouth like, “why don’t I get the ball, and why ain’t I used more, and I want out of here.”
My advice is if you only get to touch the ball 30 times a year don’t fumble it or drop it and get a bunch of yards and get in the end zone.
Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball player of all time:
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
I like Felton, he's under utilized, but if their not going to use him, then why eat up the roster spot.
I think he can be a play maker given a chance.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
yes..
his career fumble. He needs to make plays before he pops off at the mouth. They gave him a chance in that game and he fumbled which directly led to us losing that game.
Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball player of all time:
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
Yeah, but if you don't get the ball much, you better be able to knock the snot out of people with your blocking.
I just did not get the impression that the Lions coaches had confidence in Felton with the football in his hands or without. We can project all we want, but in a season where the Lions were having trouble getting the tough yards, they did not turn to Felton. They tried him a bit early in the season but after he got stuffed a couple times on third and short, they just seemed to stop going to him.
Minimal, and when he is on there, the whole stadium knows that he's going to be used...Including the D.
The problem is he’s not out there unless he’s going to be used, which you might as well put one big target on his jersey.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Yeah
we need to get him on the field more often so that its not so obvious
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and only holds onto the ball 0.4 times a game
Ty Cobb is the greatest baseball player of all time:
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
+1 On the Dilfer Upgrade
…and please, please, PLEASE keep MM out of the COLLEGE football booth also! Just makes my skin crawl. We’ll take his son-in-law if he can play, though. Yet to be seen.
by LionFanInChiefsLand on Aug 18, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't make JCruize have to suffer
just keep Millen out of the public’s eye all together.
How many lumps you want Doc?
dunk him in
a booth full of hydrofluoric acid. Not to wish him any ill will, but…
by Detroitfantc on Aug 18, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
which is exactly what he wants
See this is kind of smart he is totally getting into the headlines and everyones head on how to deal w/ a player like him as well as giving the LIONS plenty of air time. Hes the real Face of this franchise right now and he’s showing he’s a leader by owning up to his playstyle right or wrong. He’s sending a message at the same time saying SUH has arrived, a simple warning. At same time now O Lines will concentrate on him and his impact will be the same but the players around him this year will look hella better as they ll try to make a point to shut him down. They wont . thats the great part for the Detroit Lions.
A coward dies a thousands Deaths a soldier dies once ....
by JaiGaiaAries on Aug 18, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, Flint is the Capital of Michigan...
the Murder Capital…
LITTLE MAN IN BACKFIELD! LITTLE MAN IN BACKFIELD! GO STEFAN LOGAN!
Suh vs Failey
I’m sure we all remember this…
Suh Sports Science
How about this one
Fairley Sports Science
Imagine both of these guys on the field hitting the QB at the same time….I think some where, a QB’s soul just died a little
LITTLE MAN IN BACKFIELD! LITTLE MAN IN BACKFIELD! GO STEFAN LOGAN!
They covered that
on MythBusters I think. Two semi’s and one sub-compact…
It didn’t work out too well for the sub-compact.
by Detroitfantc on Aug 18, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7KVKjcN7RM
Not a whole lot different than suh’s..college football but no flag
on the interview w/ Harrison
Watch Suh’s demeanor when Harrison ask him if he’s a dirty player, Suhs reaction from then on seems very disgruntled by the fact of how he’s being looked at right now. Also watch how for one of the few times much like that one big loss he had in college and his after game conference he seems to stutter up a bit a characteristic not of him usually. Yet he stays humble through the whole thing including talking about how to become one of the top DT in the league and how he plans on achieving it. This is a guy ready to set his pace for the HOF no doubt and Detroit should be very proud they have this player on their Line he’s definitely a class act.
I guess what he should do next time he has a clear shot at a QB he should go full speed and pop this QB in the chest as hard as possible, even if its a knockdown and not a sack, and they will see why he wraps them up and slams them down, im sure its a lot softer and w/ his power and strength im sure a shot like that would take a QB out on a legit hit, and they ll still cry foul.
A coward dies a thousands Deaths a soldier dies once ....
I guess what he should do next time he has a clear shot at a QB he should go full speed and pop this QB in the chest as hard as possible, even if its a knockdown and not a sack
That is exactly what he should do. That is a football play. That is acceptable in the NFL as long as he does not take more than one stride after the ball is released.
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I don't understand the difference between knockdown and sack in this scenario.
If you pop the QB in the chest and he falls down with the ball behind the line of scrimmage, its a sack. Its not a requirement of a sack to wrap up and throw down. When a player goes to the ground because of contact made, its a tackle. Let’s not hash words to make it seem less tough. Yes, a slam looks exciting, but a tackle is a tackle and I’ll take that shit however I can get it.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
This response might have made more sense as a response to JaiGaia's post, not yours Josh
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
I'm not sure if you ment go for the knock down Leo
But when our Defense starts going for knockdowns instead of wrapping up guys and actually tackling them. . .We might as well have Millen as our GM again. That’s what lead to the 0-16 season, guys not knowing how to tackle and just throwing bodies at the feet of the other teams players. Geez Louis I can still see Mike Turner bouncing off our defenders left and right straight up the gut Delmas’s rookie year. Hit em hard and wrap em up, that’s the key to a good Defense.
How many lumps you want Doc?
That's not what I was saying Davis.
I’m saying a tackle is a tackle. A slam can be fun, but I will take a clean unexciting tackle over a 15 yard, albeit very exciting, penalty. If anything, I’m saying, “go for the tackle”. It’ll be ok if you’re not on sportscenter for your highlight suplex. Just get the job done. (note: getting the job done does not include penalizing your team)
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Can that be said enough?
(note: getting the job done does not include penalizing your team)
I am not sure it can be said enough
(note: getting the job done does not include penalizing your team)
Perhaps, one more time?
(note: getting the job done does not include penalizing your team)
Suh should be forced to listen to this line while he sleeps.
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Look guys
Like it was said 100 times before. These girls (QB’s) know what they signed up for when they were back in high school playing the game. If all of a sudden they can not handle the heat of the game, then get the F out of the kitchen!
How many lumps you want Doc?
For me, its not about the QB's at all.
I’m a firm believer that you shouldn’t step on the field if you’re not man enough to take the punishment. However, my point is, the league makes the rules. It does not matter if its protecting a “pussy” or not, its a rule and you can’t just choose not to follow them and expect to get away clean. The league has sent a message to Suh, You will be punished for this kind of play. Whether or not I like his style, like to see someone get slammed, appreciate the agressiveness, none of that matters. All that matters is, it is the rule, therefore Suh must find an alternative. That’s it sir, its quite plain.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
yup
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I understand that completely
But the league has now fined him 2 times for hits that didn’t warrant fines. The hit on Cutler was a bogus fine. And the hit on Dalton was bogus as well. He clearly was in the right to get after Dalton who threw the ball away after Suh was in his grill. How is a guy who is engaged with the QB on the opposite side of the ball suppose to see that he dumped it off.
How many lumps you want Doc?
But the league has now fined him 2 times for hits that didn’t warrant fines
Yes, they did warrant fines. They fined him. He lost appeals. I’m sorry, but its just not true to think he didn’t warrant fines when the people who actually make that call decided so even after appeals. I respect your right to disagree with it though. they may be unjust, but they have not backed down and will not. Unjust or not, we can almost predict what hits in a game will draw a fine. That is kinda clear isn’t it? What we can’t predict is what would have happened if the helmet didn’t pop off or if he did that to a RB.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
But the league has now fined him 2 times for hits that didn’t warrant fines.
You can believe that all day long, so can I.
Guess what, it changes nothing and never will. Play by the rules presented to you or suffer the consequences while hurting your team.
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Once again
You add nothing to the conversation.
Well done sir. If you were trying to be obtuse while at the same time utterly useless, you have succeeded.
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Nothing?
Useless?
And constantly repeating yourself over and over and over and over again… is….. uh…..
by CLF on Aug 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it is having a discussion
and I have covered a myriad of different angles in this discussion from many different points of view.
Just because your mind focuses on a few lines and thinks that is all I am saying does not make it true.
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lol....
I will give you credit…. you can repeat your point using MANY different words…..lol.
But you still have to work on your sense of humor.
lol
I will give it a genuine shot, just for you!
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I thought the story you told
about giving the Pack fan a beer bath, was pretty funny…
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 18, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
What a great day.
Barry ran wild that day. Damn, I miss watching him play the game live. He was nothing short of other worldly.
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It was the best of times as a Lions fan.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 18, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
no joke
He was magical.
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can you imagine if there would have been something like this back then?
between screaming for Barry and at Scott and everything in between it would have been really fun.
I look back and remember when all of my Lions news came mostly from the NFL writeup on page 5 in the LV Review Journal sports and the one little paragraph the Lions would get
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 18, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I both
Miss and do not miss those days.
Thing were much more innocent then. You could also call that innocence being blind too.
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Its funny you say that
As a kid I could never figure out why my Dad hated mostly Dallas and all the southern teams with a passion. It wasnt till the last 10 years or so Ive found out really how horribly their black players were treated and how much of that came out of Dallas. All those owners are gone now and things are vastly better, but Ive never looked at Dallas quite the same.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 18, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
Its easier to be ignorant sometimes.
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I was saying a knockdown as in the actual knockdowns as counted against a QB when he is hit as the ball is released. Meaning if Suh missed the sack in general but made it there in nuff time to get a legal hit on the QB. Once he shows how punishing that hit can be they ll wish they were slammed instead.
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by JaiGaiaAries on Aug 18, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
and I agree
Does not change the reality that those knockdowns are not against the rules.
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I misunderstood you before.
Thanks for clarifying. I agree.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Pro football is a violent sport
DEAL WITH IT. If you can’t handle it don’t play and don’t watch. Theres a diffrence between Dirty ( Harrison intentinally taking players out) and Phyiscal ( Suh throwing Cutler to the ground legally and getting called for it) If you don’t like a player being physical in pro football…Theres the door.
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PCP 4 LIFE
lmao
You know damn well what we are saying about Suh has nothing to do with your rant.
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Seems like the POD nation is split on this topic.
About 60/40 on the side of Suh hitting hard.
How many lumps you want Doc?
It has been an interesting conversation from both sides
If I had it my way, Suh would be able to wreak havoc and raise the fires of hell on the QBs on every play.
Sadly, this is not the NFL of yesterday anymore and I want a winning team that plays by the rules while doing so.
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I'm sorry to nitpick
About 60/40 on the side of Suh hitting hard.
I think that’s a bit off. I think we all want to see him hit hard. We just want to see him not get flagged/fined/suspended for the wrong kinds of hard hits. Hit ’em hard and fast, just do it within the confines of the rules please.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
LOL Leo
I should have been more clear on that. I was meaning that we are split on if he should have been flagged and fined. I think we are about 100% on wanting Suh to be as aggressive and bad assed as he is.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I knew that too, I kinda felt like a jerk for nitpicking it
but my urge for clarification was too great to deny. My bust.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
You haven't.
You are the Guiding Light from which all other posts emanate. You are the One Life to Live that all others want to be. You are the General Hospital that…I don’t know what’s happening. Its been a long day at work and I want to go home. Help.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
lol
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Yup and Yup
I should have been more clear on that. I was meaning that we are split on if he should have been flagged and fined. I think we are about 100% on wanting Suh to be as aggressive and bad assed as he is.
I think that’s a bit off. I think we all want to see him hit hard. We just want to see him not get flagged/fined/suspended for the wrong kinds of hard hits. Hit ’em hard and fast, just do it within the confines of the rules please.
It’s not the hits, I love the hitting, it’s not Suh chucking QB’s around, it’s nothing more then the NFL has turned pansy and things have got to change. Because the penalties do the team not one bit of good.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Next time
Suh just needs to wrap up near the waist and drive those hips just like he was taught back in the day. Delusional and Joshun have a point this isn’t the NFL of the good ole days and he will get suspended, I mean look what they did to kickoffs for crying out loud. Do we all love seeing Suh do that in preseason HELL YEAH, but if it were an important came against the Packers at the end of the season game on the line for playoffs we wouldn’t be too happy about it.
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Todays game is all about players safety
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.....That's all we have been trying to say, and no amount of homerism is going to chance how the NFL looks at this.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
This is what I had in mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzN7sWYdprU&feature=related When you watch this play yeah he still throws Mccoy, but he has him wrapped up in the mid section area instead of the head. This to me is a perfect example of a good aggressive sack. I feel like if Suh would have done something like this Dalton wouldn’t have got the ball off and thats one more sack
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he has had one penality during regular season
which cost the lions 15 yards. Some will claim it helped chicago win the game which i agree, but most analysis’s and refs that reviewed the tape proved clearly it was a legal hit. So what is the problem here with shu’s game?
Not accurate.
According to an article Mikey did
Suh was the third-most penalized DT in the league with 10.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Bah, link
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/715442-detroit-lions-focusing-on-the-stats-for-dt-ndamukong-suh
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Questions to ponder-
Is the hit by Suh something that he makes a habit out of in the regular season?
- Pulled Barber down by his hair, called for horsecollar tackle
- Pulled Vick down by his shoulder, called for horsecollar tackle
- Pushed Cutler down after he crossed the line of scrimmage, fined for the hit
Is the hit on Cutler (which should have been ruled legal) being too aggressive?
- Any other ball carrier would not have resulted in a fine or a penalty. Because it was a QB, and not recognized that he had crossed the line of scrimmage, it was ruled a penalty.
Should Suh change his way of play in the preseason to reflect his play in the regular season?
- Absolutely NOT! It’s the PRE SEASON!
I thought you were asking Christian Ponder questions
I was very confused.
sorry about that...
next time I’ll use the phrase
“Questions to THINK ABOUT”
by Detroitfantc on Aug 18, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem with all of this is that the NFL obviously is only looking at the overall impression of the play and not really if it is legal.
The reason that Suh got fined on the Cutler and Dalton hits is because they look bad to somebody that is a casual fan and cannot understand the nature of the game. It is the NFL form of political correctness. That means it is a lot of bovine scattology just like all forms of political correctness.
EXACTLY
Right on Tuff!
If they took a look at the hits in the replay booth before they make up their minds they would see that Suh is playing within the rules. They haven’t seen anything like him to this point, and thats what makes this stand out.
by Detroitfantc on Aug 18, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo!!!!!!!!!
My problem with all of this is that the NFL obviously is only looking at the overall impression of the play and not really if it is legal.
The reason that Suh got fined on the Cutler and Dalton hits is because they look bad to somebody that is a casual fan and cannot understand the nature of the game. It is the NFL form of political correctness. That means it is a lot of bovine scattology just like all forms of political correctness.
It’s that EXTRA, in the grasp move that is busting SUH every time. It might not be extra violent, but it looks like it is, and he has to lose it.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
The thing is that
yeah the refs a penalizing Suh in the game based on what they see at game speed. However Suh is still getting fined after the NFL clearly has time to go back and look at the replays. I don’t think it really matters. Player Safety is priority now.
by hate2lovelions on Aug 18, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hillis Madden curse already?
Yikes.
yeah, heard he pulled a hammy
That is a terrible injury for a RB
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IMHO, it is not as bad for WRs as it is for RBs
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Detroit want to go back to what it was or
me thinks Suh is not a dirty player, ever. Me thinks his intenisty bites him in the ass sometimes. Once Fairly and him are lined up together…oh my what ya going to do then? These guys represent the change in so many atheletes, bigger stronger mad men who are being schemed by top drawer coordinators to level the playing field.
I came to this site Because of Suh, have seen him and the rest of the team change Detroit culture,. Why would anyone want to go backwards when the truth is we have yet to see the best.
NFL has been all offense all the time, some of us like defense, and care to see it played right.
If Lions win thier games with under 17 points scored I’ll be happy because the D is doing what its supposed to do…
lots of the critics are just apologists because the pendulm is swinging the other way…Lions are going to win because of Defense so fans should get to liking it.
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Amen!
The NFL knows that offense moves the meter for the casual fan (see Red Zone Channel for proof). And now they are touting player safety to make sure that they are out of the way of future litigation from players and their families. It’s not because they want to be safer or because they actually care about the players well being. It’s because they want to keep their heads out of the legal bear trap they know is around the corner.
Suh’s fine, is to send a warning to the league that hits on the quarterback (especially with a twisting motion) will not be tolerated. Is it a BS fine- ABSOLUTELY. Is it setting a standard- YES. Will it prevent Suh from doing it again this preseason- Probably.
I want to state this as plainly as possible. I do not feel that the hit that Ndamakong Suh put on Andy Dalton was dirty in any way. The hit was very clean. I feel that he is being punished for the twisting motion of throwing him to the ground. If he drives that hit directly to the ground, instead of twisting, there would be no fine by the league. That is my opinion. The league feels that they have seen this hit before during last years game against the Browns. The twisting of the head and shoulder pads is what draws attention to the hit. Likewise, the shoving of Cutler to the ground looked worse than it was. Cutler was pushed down from behind as a ball carrier. Again, if Suh goes for a traditional tackle on this play, there is no flag and no penalty. They are not dirty plays. Violent, but not dirty.
by Detroitfantc on Aug 18, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts on the Suh situation
Was Dalton trying to fight out of Suh’s grip? Yes, he was.. Dalton made exactly the maneuver that Roethlisberger or Vick would make with the ball in their hands; tuck down and try and make the tackle go overtop you and go the other way.
Had the ball been thrown away so long before it that it’s obviously a late hit? No, it hadn’t been.
Did he take the guy’s helmet off? No. Someone else did.
Did the whistle blow? No. You play to the whistle.
I disagree with the contention that Suh spearing Dalton around the waist or midsection is a “safer” tackle; look at what Peppers did to Stafford last year. You can’t tackle low, you can’t tackle high; do we implement a “strike zone” for QBs? Below the nipples and above the dick? What?
I don’t care how “dirty” it looked. The play was not dirty, it wasn’t worthy of a fine, and it absolutely wasn’t worthy of any suspension discussion. To suspend a player, that player better be doing some egregious things, and I mean worse than what Harrison does. I’m talking Fat Al headstomping, Cortland Finnegan bitchfighting kind of egregious.
Stop with the ticky tack fines, NFL. Penalize him, fine. That’s all fair, and none of us want to see those penalties, but that play was deserving of a penalty. But discussion of fines and suspensions over this is complete horse shit.
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