Lions Notes: Corey Hilliard Getting Reps At Guard
- The Lions have been giving offensive tackle Corey Hilliard some reps at offensive guard. He has performed well at tackle when called upon, so it appears the coaches are giving him another opportunity to potentially see the field.
- Dick Stanfel, who played for the Detroit Lions from 1952-55, is a finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's 2012 class. He was named a finalist by the Senior Committee
- The TV ratings for the Lions-Browns preseason game did better than the ratings for the Tigers-Indians baseball game last Friday.
- Former Lions and current Bears wide receiver Roy Williams doesn't sound like he is impressing anybody in Chicago. He has come under fire for poor conditioning and not being in shape despite the regular season being only weeks away. I can't say I'm surprised given Williams' lack of production the last few years.
- The Lions are one of the teams featured on Gatorade's limited edition bottles.
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Ha ha ha Sean you beat me to it about Roy.
I still can’t be leave we got 2 draft picks for that bum.
How many lumps you want Doc?
thanks Jerry
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by Waitingfortheroar on Aug 24, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We got 3
That turned into Grew, D Wheelz, and Aaron Brown.
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Probably pushing 800-pound gorillas out of their choice seats in movie theaters."
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by Enforcer on Aug 25, 2011 5:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe davis0169 wasn't counting D Williams
I wouldn’t, considering he’s looking like a bust.
We didn't get all those guys for Aligator Arms
As I recall we got a 1st and a 3rd for Roy Boy, And we got an additional pick for Kitna. now I could be wrong here, as I’ve stated WAY too many times before; the memory is still a little foggy from all those years of smoking the good stuff.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Actually, we did get a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for Roy.
Kitna was traded for Anthony Henry.
by Stephen02120 on Aug 25, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That Roy trade
was a steal for us! Great move. He is going to be hated in Chi.
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i like it
If Peterman can’t perform put some heat on him. Get some guys who can move a DT into a LBs face. Give our backs some space to make a play.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Aug 24, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hilliard at guard b/c run game SUCKS.
Despite being 2-0 in the preseason (which we know doesn’t mean much), the running game has been horrible. We know the O-Line has taken criticism, especially for being under-sized. It has shown in the run game, so moving a larger body from tackle to guard could help get rid of the horrible rushing average.
That is true
It also appears the Lions are getting serious about a replacement for Raiola as well. We now have four guys in camp to compete with Raiola for the center job.
i only
Fear they are al losers
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by Waitingfortheroar on Aug 25, 2011 4:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably
But still, at least management is taking steps to solidify the problem going forward…I’d be more worried if they didn’t do anything. I think we all know the only two players that are going to be on this line 5 years from now are possibly Sims and Cherilus. So it’s nice to see the coaches shaking it up a bit, or at least giving the perception that they are willing to this year.
Oh yeah, quite a bit
Doms a phenomenal bowler…football? not so much
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by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 25, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much shuffling of the O-line can be really bad.
Look at what happened in Chicago last year.
I know the line isn’t the best it could be but they played well enough together last year to keep us in games. If someone down the depth charts out and out beats Peterman and Raiola it’s one thing. But if we’re talking small degrees of difference I’d rather go with the group that’s played together and take my lumps until the next draft.
Face it, none of the O-liners on the roster are world-beaters.
Just for s#*ts and giggles...
what about possibly moving Sims to RG, Backus to LG and Fox at LT after Fox gets healthy again? Backus had offered to move to a different position on the line before if the Lions wanted to draft a different LT, so why not try it and see if it works? It would obviously depend on the length of Fox’s injury and how well he comes back, Backus is probably our best bet at LT, but you never know unless you try :)
I have never been a big proponent of moveing starters around like that
Each offensive line position has a different focus. Traditionally, you try to have great run blocking on the right side of the line and decent pass blocking. On the left you put more emphasis on pass blocking over run blocking. But that is not how the Lions shake out. Last season, Backus was the best run blocker on the team. But that doesn’t necessarily make him better as a right guard. If anything, he would be a great right tackle since his main problem is the speed rush and you usually see less of that on the right side. But Backus has been on the left for so long, I don’t know if he will be able to easily adjust his footwork to the right side.
by TuffLynx on Aug 25, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally going out and buying all the Lions flavored Gatorade I can find tomorrow.
or is this one of those things where you can only find the local teams? because fuck the Giants/Jets. I want Lions Gatorade.
My grandfather was a Packers fan, my father is a Vikings fan, I am a Lions fan, and there is no way in hell I am raising a Bears fan.
Oh, and I hate the Philadelphia Eagles (but like the Phillies)
+1 Lions Gatorade
Probably has some Kool-Aid mixed in for 2011.
Also +2 for because fuck the Giants/Jets.
fuck the Giants/Jets. Especially the Jets.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Hey Sean,
Wasn’t Drew a writer on here? I see his name is now replaced.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Great Article
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Some very interesting quotes
“Last year, we didn’t complement the defensive line well enough here on the back end,” said Levy, who has made a seamless transition from middle linebacker to the outside this season. “That was on all of us, all the way back to the safeties. So it’s been a big emphasis this year on us getting downhill and getting those blockers off them guys.”
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110825/SPORTS0101/108250342/New-Lions-Stephen-Tulloch—Justin-Durant-bring-legitimacy#ixzz1W16jW7Yj
Levy said the trust factor works both ways.
“We are going to stick with the same things we’ve been doing, but we have more flexibility to move around and show different looks,” he said. “We trust everybody to know their assignments so we can kind of play around and mess around (before the snap), trusting that we will get back to where we are supposed to be.”
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110825/SPORTS0101/108250342/New-Lions-Stephen-Tulloch—Justin-Durant-bring-legitimacy#ixzz1W16jW7Yj
With the way Gun has our safeties moving around and Kokurek has the Dline shifting at times…add in more movement by the Lbs…this is some exciting football boys! I think there’s a very interesting dynamic to this defense with how the LBs compliment the Dline and the degree of creativity given the front 7…It’s SOOOO different than Rod’s “man your gap with proper pad level” stuff (though I know that works with the right guys) – that is so stiff, and predictible. I think our team is much more of a new bread (ala Pats and Ravens)…
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I just read that DetNews article.
I’m not trying to be a negative Nancy here, but what exactly have they done in the 1st two exhibition games to instill any confidence that their a top notch LB’er unit?
Sure past performance is one thing, but IMO they have looked pretty ordinary and actually rather exposed in stopping the run game.
I realize it’s early yet and no big deal, but are they worth an article like that at this time? I think it strikes of homerism and blowing smoke up the masses asses.
And I’ll stick by what I said with the Tulloch signing from what I’ve seen out of him so far. For 3.25 mil it was a good signing, but SO FAR from what I’ve seen on the field from him, he’s doing just what I expected. The guy does not make plays, and pads his tackling stats 7 yards downfield.
It’s early, and I’ll be watching for improvement.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
I already posted this for you, but here it is again:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/daryl-smiths-year-defeats
Only one 4-3 MLB had more defeats that Tulloch last year, and that was Urlacher. A defeat is any play (tackle, assist, pass defensed, interception, or forced fumble) that causes a turnove, causes a loss of yardage, or stops a copnversion on third or fourth down.
Those aren’t “stat padder” plays, those are big plays, and Tulloch made more of them than just about anyone at his position. The actual data doesn’t match up to your impression at all.
And true, the very first game against Cincy they looked shakey, but then they went out and lowered the boom on Cleveland’s run game. They’ll be fine, and they’ll sure as shit be better than last year. None of the three starters at LB week one last year are even playing professional football this year.
Smitty, I could care tell about what stat you want to pull out to prove a point.
I know what I see.
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Del
Come on Bro, you are smarter than that. 2 weeks of being together isn’t enough time to get everyone on the same page. and Durant has been flying around in both games, Tulloch showed more in the last game that the first, but what I’m concerned with is the fact we have not seen Levy make any plays so far.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Keep reading down....I understand as a unit it's early, that's not it.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
I understand that
I certainly expect much better play in the regular season. I’m a little surprised it hasn’t been a little better – though if you look at the stats from when all the 1s have been in, it’s not bad. The Pat fans said they expect NE to run a lot (sort out their RB depth situation) and they have a pretty good oline, so I think how we do in this preseason game should be much more telling than any of the other are/will be…Vets don’t always show up for most preseason games…sad but true (not that I’m saying Durant and Tulloch aren’t playing hard or anything, I’m just saying – a lot of vets have an extra gear of toughness and focus when the games count…).
From the reports out of camp, I get the impression that they’re still feeling each other out – and with the whole splitting the play calling/communication between Levy and Tulloch, I have to believe they’re still in a transition phase right now. Reports also say that they look much better together in the past week or so – but you could rightfully conclude there is some homerism in assuming these vets will translate and make our D that much better – I mean, what can you really trust from Gun’s mouth when he gives praise anyhow!?
While Tully has played in this type of defense before, Gun’s terminology is a little different and I’m sure he and Durant are still feeling out how the Dline improvises (it’s got to be something a little difficult to get used to if you come from more of a disciplined gap system – like most defenses). I’m thinking about it much like an RB needs to get a feel for the blocking tendencies of his lineman – how they like to pull etc.
BUT, at the end of the day, Tully and Durant are vets and should be up to speed by the opener. If Blount runs us over, I will begin my worries (though I wouldn’t mail our chances at a decent run defense in from one game obviously).
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There was an article about a week back in one of the Detroit papers about Durant and the transition he has to make.
He basically set that in the defense, he has no real gap assignment, but just goes where Suh doesn’t go, and that he has no idea what Suh is going to do at the snap or during the course of the paly.
He said it’s been an adjustment to get used to learbing what Suh is doing/capable of doing and putting himself in the best position to react to it.
I think that explains a lot of why Benson ran wild right at Suh/Durant.
It's going to take some time for thing to jell, and once the full D is exposed and they play with more agressiveness, thing will improve.
I just take issue with premature fluff news pieces making promises of what’s to come. Show me before telling us how wonderful you’all are, we’ve been fed promises for years, now do something first.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Dude, they have to write abouy something
It’s not like a reporter can say to their editor, “well, there was no game today, so I guess we’ll just not have any articles.”
I mean, I really do see your larger point, but the lady has a job to do.
McCoskey is a guy.
I just have to stick to fact based articles and stay away from the fluff and the promise of what could be stuff. Sorry, but this team doesn’t deserve them fair or unfair based on past results.
Produce, then write some glowing shit.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
LOL
You know, I’ve been sitting here racking my brain as to just what is it about Tulloch’s game that is bothering me. Something bugs me with how I think he plays.
And believe me at this point in no way, shape, or form am I saying I’m correct. this is just for conversation sake.
Why in my mind does it appear to me that he sits back and waits for the play to come to him? IMO only, it appears to me that he’s never attacking the ball, never upon never gets into the backfield to make a stop, doesn’t appear to come up for anything.
There’s obviously no denying that he makes tackles, but how many are push outs on outside runs which adds to how I view his game? The couple I did see of him making last week were just plain jane touches with off balance ball carriers.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
That is a god point Del
but I have not seen any of our LB’s in the backfield as of yet. I think Gunny is calling a vanilla game on the D side of the ball so far as to not tip our hand. we have not seen hardly any blitzing, and hardly any 8 man in the box to stop the run.All I’ve seen is vanilla D with the back 7 playing in area’s and the front 4 trying to get the pressure by themselves.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Everyone do me a favor when watching this next game....please.
Watch Tulloch and how and where he’s making his tackles. Could of he attacked the ball carrier and didn’t, while making an easier tackle giving up a needless extra few yards. I swear I could be incorrect and want other opinions. And not just because it’s just preseason, that’s his game IMO.
I just think historically he sits back on plays and does not attack, which looks good in the number of tackles he makes. I completely agree it’s too early to judge how their playing as a unit.
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by delusional on Aug 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Theres no chemistry on the first team, yet
2nd team gets in and they play as a unit. My guess is 1st team has been been getting their asses chewed off about them not getting proper drops in pass coverage. Between overcompensating for that and what I see as obviously slow recognition about where the play is going is causing them to just disappear into the thundering herd.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 25, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Will do
I don’t think you’re off on that. But I haven’t specifically watched for it either.
I mean, I’d love to have Tully play like Urlacher – but if he merely cleans up a yard or two in front of the LOS (not more than 3 yards) AND both Levy and Durant are actively getting downhill in a hurry to get in the backfield (and/or get blockers off of or Dline so they can make plays)- then I’m probably not going to gripe much.
I’d say the thing that pissed me off the most last year was seeing LBs just get blocked out of the play and RBs running right past them (or through weak arm tackles). I’m not saying I’d be totally happy with a mediocre run defense or anything – I want to be top5 ideally, but we NEED the LBs to prevent the RBs from getting to the secondary (though Delmas and Spievey will continue being sweet in this area IMO).
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It's funny you made this comparison rames
Tully play like Urlacher
Because when I was trying to formulate just what exactly was bugging me about Tulloch’s game, I kept picturing Urlacher’s style of play in my head.
Now, if it’s scheme that’s keeping Tulloch from attacking that’s what I want to find out, and maybe I’m overestimating just how much past the los Tulluch is making his tackles.
I don’t know how much time I’m going to have to break this game down. I work Saturday night, then I’m heading out of town early Sunday. I’m going to try to break down at least the starters time on the field though as long as I’m home at a decent hour Saturday.
So if Tulloch happens to play his ass off Saturday, I’m not hiding out, I’m gone.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
lol, right.
I’m not hiding out
Kinda like det32 after the draft eh?!
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Yeah right....lol
I’ll try to rewatch some of it…Then post from the jungle Sunday….
I trust you guys, if you watch on Saturday and think what I’m saying is crap, I’ll listen.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
I have watched Brian for years in Chicago's D
And here is 1 very big difference’s between the 2 styles of D. In our D, the front 4 never and I mean NEVER do line plays. were the entire D drives to 1 side like in Madden you can have the D-line all go left or right so that the LB’s can clean up RB’s with no blockers, like they have been doing for years in Chicago. Our D-line is about containing and forming a so called bubble with the DT’s collapsing the pocket, you just don’t see Chicago do that all that much except on early downs. But when it’s a running down like say on a 2nd and 5 or something, you see the Bears D-line do a lot of slanting so that all 3 of the LB’s are basically free’d up to do what ever they want to. Watching that Bears/Giants game on Monday night, and the Bears must have ran that play about 50% of the time in running situations.
How many lumps you want Doc?
that's a great point
our scheme is a really different animal for LBs…
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Lions Gatorade huh?
I’m gonna have to stock up at least 16 so when the Lions play I can drink my “Lions Kool-Aid”. Not that I’m not now.
"Where in the World is Ndamukong Suh?
Probably pushing 800-pound gorillas out of their choice seats in movie theaters."
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by Enforcer on Aug 25, 2011 7:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
have i ever told you guys how much I hate Peterman
I can’t be the only one that seen this search of a RG coming? Leonard, Hilliard I’m sure Fox or someone will get a shot too. Peterman will be out by week 5 bank on it.
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by The Profiler on Aug 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Its not so much that your prediction is bold
but I just don’t see that. I will take your bet and wager 127 internet points. I’m not saying Peterman is a lock to start all year, but week 5 is pushing it. As well as your week 5 wager, I will wager another 50 internet points that someone will start in his spot after our bye week. For how versatile he is, I wouldn’t be particularly surprised if that guy was Will Heller. You heard it here first.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Roy Williams out of favor in Chicago? just look at the guy. He should really fit right in there on the Bears.

What a douche. Give that chick her shades back.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Man, my co-worker was so right about this guy's game a personality.
I gave him so much shit in the first year or two when RoyBoy actually produced a little, but overall he was so right as to what he really is. A lackadaisical floater that plays without heart.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Fuck roy
he comes plain and simple to collect a paycheck.He’s a wanna-be rock star(hence the horns^).
Aligator arms Williams
The chump should have played his college ball at Florida. Even in his so called productive year(s) he still never gave 100%. But what do we expect from a Millen Pick!
How many lumps you want Doc?
yeah
he doesn’t take things seriously at all. Even though he admitted when going to Dallas that he didn’t lift much – he still hasn’t improved his work ethic by all accounts (recently anyway). On top of that, he didn’t even remember his drops from the last game. WOW – that’s just how much YOU DON’T CARE. I’m sooooooo happy we get to play him twice! (watch him show up for those 2 games just to spite us…)
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Let him show up.
We all have seen his entire career all the balls that were catchable go right threw his soft ass hands. i can see our backfield getting at least 1 pick a game do to Roy’s “excellent” hands.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Roy is exaclty
the type of reason why Chicago’s offense will continue to be inefficient. There will be too many incompleted passes and INTs because of the pass rush and having WRs not on the same page or having balls go through their hands (how often did Roy cause a turnover!?!?) Add Cutler’s propensity to throw AT/TO CBs instead of his WRs..we get to watch some fun ensue!
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I saw Roy at the Yellow Rose (strip club) in Austin
He was giving a girl a piggy-back ride in the parking lot. And, no surprise here…..he dropped her.
He was probably still loooking for that engagement ring he gave his X-fiance
How many lumps you want Doc?
The only thing I'm going to say about besides that I hate them....
Is I completely underestimated them last season, bad mouthing them left and right, how the D is old and the O under Martz is a joke.
I guess they’ll suck, I can’t imagine losing even one to them, butyou never know.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on Aug 25, 2011 4:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Roy frickin Williams
So many bad memories of this guy. I remember him making the occasional great one handed grab then turning around and dropping a ball right in his hands. Then he’d walk off the field laughing about the drop. He’d give the 1st down sign, like an idiot, after doing nothing in a game that we were down by four touchdowns after 3 and a half quarters. Or the time when he explained that he doesn’t tip waitresses. After flaking out here he gets shipped to Dallas, plays like a bum and gets beat out by Miles Austin and now he walks into Chicago, gets handed the top WR spot on a silver platter and starts talking about how he needs to get into running shape. Man the guy is such a douche.































