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NFL Cuts: Detroit Lions Release Jerome Felton

The Detroit Lions are now down to 81 players after confirming that fullback Jerome Felton has been released. The move was first reported by NFL Network's Jason La Canfora.

Lions inform FB Jerome Felton of his release this AM. Quality FB, but team doing in direction of keeping more TEs.less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Favorite Retweet Reply


La Canfora's tweet indicates that Matt Clapp didn't win the fullback job, but rather somebody like tight end Will Heller may be serviceable enough to allow the Lions to move forward without a true fullback. His tweet also seems to indicate that someone like Joe Jon Finley could be kept as the fourth tight end on the roster, which would surprise me a bit. Then again, if Heller is going to be playing fullback on top of tight end, perhaps having a fourth TE isn't such a bad idea.

In any case, Felton departs the Lions after spending the last three years in Detroit. He was drafted in the fifth round in 2008 and appeared in all but six games over the last three seasons. He wasn't all that happy with how little he was used on offense, but since he was a restricted free agent, he re-signed with the Lions earlier this offseason. Now he is going to have a chance to sign with another team, and like with Dave Rayner, the Lions are giving him extra time to find a new job by releasing him now.

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In a way,

I’m not exactly surprised.

My grandfather was a Packers fan, my father is a Vikings fan, I am a Lions fan, and there is no way in hell I am raising a Bears fan.
Oh, and I hate the Philadelphia Eagles (but like the Phillies)

by tbl2020 on Aug 30, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Luck, Felton from Furmer

You’ll be successful in an offense that uses fullbacks!

by CLF on Aug 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Furman?

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Aug 30, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL! Yea, they are not even a blip.

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Aug 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, I agree.

What I don’t get is he’s not even FB. He’s been wasted beyond belief in this whatever the F role their trying to use him in.

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kind of saw it coming after they way we have been (or haven't been) using him

At least we’re releasing these guys who can possibly make other team’s 53 man roster early to give them a better chance. I liked Felton and I thought we could have used him but I think Heller will do a good job too when we need to use a FB

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by Reno09 on Aug 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I cant say i like it but i cant say i dont...

Best Morris Brown Harrison and Clapp wont be enough, Mayhew time. Would love to add Pierre Thomas or Anthony Dixon to the mix or a least a back with power.

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by SmittyJ on Aug 30, 2011 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

agree

Wasn’t sold on Felton because of his mental mistakes – but we need a power running game and we looked a lot better last year when running I-formation sets (even though Linney wouldn’t call them until later in the season for the most part).

I’m a bit frustrated with Linney’s run play calling (though i couldn’t be happier with his pass play calling)

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you Sean. I don't see the Lions keeping an extra TE.

I think dropping Felton, and any FB for that matter, will allow the Lions to use that roster spot for an “extra” RB or WR. I see 25 on offence [3 QB, 5 RB, 9 OL, 3 TE, 5 WR], and 25 on defence [4 DE, 5 DT, 6 LB, 5 CB, 5 S], and three special teamers [P, K, LS].

I think the tough decisions will be at LB [Hogue or Isiah] and OL [Culbreath or Thomas].

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd like that!

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Jon Finley

Has impressed me during this offseason/pre-season. I wouldn’t be against keeping four TEs on the roster if our TEs are going to be used more behind the line as run blockers and blitz pickups.

by Mavyrk on Aug 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't mind this either.

JJF has impressed me as well.

by slopes44 on Aug 30, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

how is his run blocking???

anyone have a clue?

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd err on the side of

No news is good news, in that scenario.

But I’ll pay some closer attention.

by Mavyrk on Aug 30, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Ray Joe Bob has been okay.

Seems like he knows how to make plays.

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We never used him anyways

And thats all i have to say about that..

by Michael21 on Aug 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I see a common audible

will be to switch Heller from TE to FB and back. Much like we are switching Sheffler from TE to slot WR.

by ATL Lion on Aug 30, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

exactly!

I think we’ll be seeing him in a lot more plays than we have so far.

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sheffler wasin the backfield once I know of last year

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Aug 30, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felton was destined to be cut....

You cant be used sparingly then get an attitude about it and expect to stick around on a team that needs to gel. Their offense doesn’t really need a FB. Heller is gonna be their blocker when needed and thats usually only 3 or 4 plays a game. I think their decision will be to keep an extra RB and possibly free them up to make a move for another RB and cut Harrison.

by WolfmannHoss on Aug 30, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we need a FB

personally, we run better out of traditional power run formations – at least when MoMo is in…

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

instead of a fourth TE

could this move hsve been made to keep an extra WR a-la Stovall?

by slopes44 on Aug 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

or an extra RB.

Depends on how you list Logan. Either way I think it opens up a spot for Stovall.

by slopes44 on Aug 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I can see JJF on the practice squad.

If not him, then some other young TE. I think Finley is still eligible for the PS.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

JJF

Is the guy I’m most worried about on the PS. The other guys have a, at least remote, chance of staying on the PS, but there is no way in hell JJF stays on the PS.

by Mavyrk on Aug 30, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Why is that?

He never did anything for the 49ers in three years. And he did not stand out to me this preseason. Is he a good blocker or do you like him for his pass catching?

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I posted my thoughts on him in the fanpost.

I’m not saying he must be on the roster, but the FO is going to be kidding themselves if they think they’re going to hold onto him on our PS.

by Mavyrk on Aug 30, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

could you provide your reasons for liking him?

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he has 3 years with SF, he can't go on the practice squad.

2 years max isn’t it?

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He spent 2 years on 49ers PS.

There’s some exceptions that allow for a third year on the PS, but I’m unsure of the rules and if they apply to JJ.

by Mavyrk on Aug 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

I see more playing time for Will Heller opening up. I think he’s a really good TE that could contribute more to FB than Felton. Not that Felton was bad, but if Heller is as versatile as the coaches think, then I’m all for it. Plus, he really showed his stuff in pre-season, so with both Scheff and Pettigrew already on the field for the two TE spots, why not throw in a talented player in Heller?

by The Sledge on Aug 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

exactly!

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hummm.

Thinking about a 2 TE set and having Best in the backfield, CJ as the WR, Heller as the full back. That could be kinda tricky.

The Disassembly Line....nuff said.

by Veihl789 on Aug 30, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

That's a valid point

But Heller is taller than Felton and has better hands. I’d be willing to bet he’s faster too. Heller has seen about an equal amount of playtime to Felton and has produced better stats in 2 years than Felton produced in 3

by Kalzilla on Aug 30, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heller has seen about an equal amount of playtime to Felton

False.

What my point is… is that the Lions Cut the FB roster spot.

Its not that Felton Blew Donkey Balls, its that they have no reason to pay a guy 1.2 million for 5 snaps/game.

If anything, his lack of production on special teams got him booted of the roster.

But production as a FB, From the FB position… was adequate per how much they used him.

by CLF on Aug 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think..

No matter how we debate the subject the truth of the matter is when you watched a game and you saw felton in the game you didnt expect any kind of breakout.Whether it be a td or a big run.Where as heller when i would see him implemented I saw something happen most of the time that was a positive.This may be a bit bias considering i’m not in any way heartbroken feltons gone but I feel this was a very good move by the lions.Cutting some useless fat from the roster.

by Michael21 on Aug 30, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because everytime they used Felton

It was in short yardage situations with a fuckin target on him saying I’m in here to smash through this non-existant hole trying to gain 5 feet.

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

which i understand

but how many times are we going to be running FB’s? If we arent using one then why have one?Like someone said above if they trusted the dude more they would have kept him around.There must have been something that stuck out to the coaching staff that said hey we dont need to use this guy.

by Michael21 on Aug 30, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not disputing his cutting.

He hasn’t been used correctly so why keep him.

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short

by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 30, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

CLF

With that same thought process. Morris wont be on the team either. Why pay a guy almost 2 million a year for roughly 5 snaps a game.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you comparing the #2 RB with a starting fullback?

I hope not… cause that’s not even close to where my thought process is or will ever be.

by CLF on Aug 30, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

At 7.63yds/reception

out of the FB position.

I would say receiving is positive stat and attribute of Felton.

by CLF on Aug 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

the FO disagrees

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also drops passes...

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just guessing of course.

I’m thinking the decision has been made on the10th release and it’s someone who’ll likely garner interest elsewhere/ The lions are probably trying to get a pick for him in the meantime.

Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now

by Justan Oldfart on Aug 30, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm thinking

Aaron Brown or Isiah Ekijiba is the next cut. Both would be viable for a trade and have received some good play time in the preseason and last season.

by Detroitfantc on Aug 30, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Last year the Lions had one move left and traded Tyler Polumbus to Seattle for a pick.

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by Sean Yuille on Aug 30, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to the freep

Felton’s release puts them at the roster limit of 80 so i guess not

Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now

by Justan Oldfart on Aug 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

They must not be counting Leshoure

I was under the impression that he still counts against the roster until the final cuts. If so, the Lions have 81. If not, they’re at 80.

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by Sean Yuille on Aug 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here's the answer

davebirkett Dave Birkett
Lions say as of 4 pm Leshoure’s IR spot doesn’t count toward 80-man limit RT @SlipToTheVoid: So are the Lions at 81 or 80 players now?

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by Sean Yuille on Aug 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently they are at 81 now

but will be at 80 when they need to be. At least that’s how I read it.

Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now

by Justan Oldfart on Aug 30, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felton brought this on himself

A FB should know his role and be willing to block, not cry because he isn’t running the ball. Felton was not a good blocker for the TRUE RB’s on this team, so see ya.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Aug 30, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

This could be the start of a league wide trend

Why waste a roster spot on a FB when you can have an extra TE. Versatile players are becoming a norm. Others may have done this, I dunno.

Do you try to spell that fucked up on purpose?
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by OKCLion on Aug 30, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't read that much into it

Teams that still place a higher value on the run utilize the FB. When the cycle of pass heavy O cycles out we might see more FB again.

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Felton has had 3 years to show what he could do

thats alot of practices to try to impress the coaches and he didn’t. Lousy blocker/subpar runner and receiver. Good luck to him wherever he ends up but this move was long overdue imo

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by JazzyBBP on Aug 30, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

With his body type

He should fit in well in Baltimore, they love them some big body RB’s.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Recked you for that succinct analysis of Mr. Felton.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should be a scout.

Cause with how little the Lions used Felton, you sure make alot of observations.

by CLF on Aug 30, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, he's had 3 years (2 years w/ the Schwartz) to impress the coaches and didn't

could be the reason why he wasn’t used much, but it could be a system fit like you said earlier, could be both. Good luck to him, I wish him the best except when he plays the Lions

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by JazzyBBP on Aug 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with most of you.

   This move isn’t surprising at all. Heller and Clapp are better blockers and JJF has shown some promise. By cutting him now he can sign on somewhere else too.
   Now it’s time to move on from the Dwheelz experiment.

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by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Okay, if you want to talk about a guy who did not get a lot of opportunities..........

….but before a lot of you freak out on me I will readily concede that he really screwed up a lot of the opportunities that he had as a punt returner, kick returner, ST coverage guy, and WR.
So I am not going to sit here and say he coulda been a contender, instead of a bum.
Cue the Marlon Brando video from “On the Waterfront”.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sure hope Heller can be a good lead blocker

AND we use him as such! We’re not very good running the ball with 2 TEs as of now (or last year).

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

we weren't very good with Felton blocking either....

so using Heller, to me, isn’t any worse than using Felton and it opens up another roster spot. The FB position is not important in Linny’s system and this gives a little credit to that. Now if they keep Clapp i will be completely proven wrong which isn’t a surprise….lol

by WolfmannHoss on Aug 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

we were better with a FB lead blocker than 2 TE from what I saw

I don’t care if neither are great. You go with what works the best!

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but

FB lead blocker tips the hand that you’re running it. Because if you aren’t running it, you’ve basically just crippled your offense anyways. At least with Heller taking over FB duties, you can disguise it and the defense will never know if Heller’s lead blocking or running a route.

Because frankly, no one quivers at the thought of Felton catching out of the backfield.

by Mavyrk on Aug 31, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Detroit never used him and he wasn't happy as a result.

Good to let him go.

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by Skylar on Aug 30, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

This is one release that I am having a hard time agreeing with...

I think Felton is going to make us regret this.

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by KDawg on Aug 30, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe but....

if there isn’t a possibility for him to succeed here (system, disgruntled, no plays) then even if he does well elsewhere its no skin off our nose. We just couldn’t use him so there’s no reason to waste the roster spot for someone who doesn’t excel at the few little things WE asked him to do.

by WolfmannHoss on Aug 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like the Bears argument for Olsen

just saying…

I’m not really a fan of Felton, but I am a fan of having a bruiser lead blocker who open holes…

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by rames on Aug 30, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

"A bruising lead blocker who opens holes"

Right! Anyone know if any are available? ;)

Seriously, I never disliked Felton. It just seems that it wasn’t a good fit for either side at this point, so maybe everyone involved will be better off. He can hope to get some opportunities to contribute somewhere else in a way that he feels suits him better, and the Lions can keep someone on the roster that they feel adds more to this particular team.

While I cant say I think this is a big loss for the Lions at this time, I wish the guy the best. Hopefully he’ll catch on somewhere and show the stiff that he wasn’t able to show in Detroit. In the meantime, someone else will get to do the same in Detroit now that there’s an extra spot.

by abnerman on Aug 30, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who Felton reminds me of?

A young version of James Stewart. If he was given the chance, I feel that he could have done well as a halfback instead of a fullback.

That said, I do understand and agree with the idea of releasing Felton…if they are not planning to give him the ball, and if they aren’t going to use him anyway. I just get the feeling that it is kind of like the Stanton situation. We don’t know what kind of weapon we had, because we failed to ever test it out and see what it could do.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
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by KDawg on Aug 30, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could be making room for Chester Taylor, should he be released...

I’m not sure if that is a new thought here or not, but it is original to me…lol

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by KDawg on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

and this^^^^

came to mind right away after hearing Felton got cut.

by WolfmannHoss on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't read that much into it

It could simply be a step toward hitting roster limits. That said, I wouldn’t rule out Taylor either, but I can’t see this is indication either way.

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He served us well

He played through some tough times with us but it was time for him to go. Apparently he doesn’t fit in with the new scheme. Can’t blame the FO or CS for that. They have made some pretty good decisions so far and the team looks good. Good luck to Felton.

by Honalulublue on Aug 30, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

He never understood his role.

We wanted a guy with a cory schlesinger mentality. I feel Jerome was also more focused on enhancing his role in the run game instead of focusing on lead blocking.
RIP Killer.

by D.A. on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Just another sacrifical lamb in the long quest in the Lion's search for a running game....

Not to rehash the root cause of why we mostly lack one though.

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This seems pretty true

Felton broke all kinds his school’s scoring records, both single season and career. Millen drafted him and converted him to a fullback

by Kalzilla on Aug 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yessir....

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i licke the move by the lions to use heller at fb and te and hear why any time you give the offensive line more help at keeping our strarting qcb healthly it give them a te who has offensive line size playing fullback not will he help backus at ot spot but he should help pickup any in side bilzee and be agreat short yard blocker pluss we know heller can catch pass out of the back feild .

by kwfords on Aug 30, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

So wait a minute...

You mean to tell me Felton gets cut, but Derrick Williams doesn’t?

by The Sledge on Aug 30, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

They still have twenty-seven cuts to make.

This was done to give Felton a chance to catch on with another team.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Linehan can put 3 TE's out there

and line up anyone of them in the backfield to get the match-up he wants, or he could line Best up wide and put 2 TE’s in the backfield for maximum protection against a blitzing team.

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Aug 30, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

This does not surprise me one bit

But if you ask me, the dilemma facing the Lions at WR is what cost Felton. Between Rashied Davis, Maurice Stovall, Derrick Williams, and Stefan Logan you simply have too much talent to cut when most of those guys can contribute more on special teams snaps alone than Felton ever would in a game.

Derrick Williams is a lock IMO, he is our most versatile and flexible depth guy, he can play X, Y, and Z and knows the playbook. Regardless of drops and how some guys may feel about him, from a coaches standpoint he is the guy you feel the most comfortable with putting out there when an injury occurs. He wins the positional value battle hands down. Not to mention that he still has some untapped upside potential.

Then you have Stovall and Davis batteling it out for the other “big man” role in our offense that Bryant Johnson failed to secure. We need another big man on the outside in the red zone. Basically someone to throw a back shoulder fade or jump ball to when Calvin is double or triple teamed. One of these guys will make our roster for sure, maybe both of them.

Then you have their special teams value. With the precise kicking of Jason Hanson and his ability to put hang time on the kick off it basically turns it into a coffin corner punt situation where elite gunners can change field position and the dynamic of the game. It would appear that the Lions will approach the new kick off rules in this manner and having the aforementioned elite gunners really makes that go a long way.

Perhaps hurting those guys is the fact that you have some line backers like Ekejiuba and Carpenter that can hold their own in that area as well, and even Derrick Williams is starting to show some ability there.

Then you have Stefan Logan whom I generally consider a running back more than a receiver. But he will make the roster, no doubt. He is just too much of a weapon and IMO he can integrate into our offense in a much more versatile and useful role than Devin Hester does in Chicago. Think Percy Harvin when you think about the kind of role Stefan will, and should have in our offense, wish more of a running and less of a receiving slant on that role.

So with Calvin Johnson, Nate Burlesson, Titus Young, Derrick Williams, Rashied Davis and Maurice Stovall you already have six valuable and, in my opinion worthy of the 53 man roster, wide receivers.

Then you add in Logan, if you consider him as a running back that almost guaranteeing we will keep 4 running backs if not 5. Jahvid Best and Maurice Morris are sure bets, though I suppose in a surprise move we could see them part ways with Maurice if someone better becomes available (Chester Taylor, Lonyae Miller, etc.). However the better bet would be to keep Maurice and ride it out a year and make that cut next year when Mikel Leshoure comes back allowing them to fight it out for the “other than Jahvid” role in our backfield.

As I mentioned Stefan is as sure of a lock as you can get. Stacked up against Aaron Brown and Jerome Harrison they all have a similar positional value as “receiving backs” However Logan has special teams value as both a returner and gunner that is through the roof compared to those other guys. Which leaves Aaron Brown versus Jerome Harrison for that last spot if they keep 4 backs. I am giving the nod Brown. He has more speed, more potential, and IMO is not lesser than Harrison in any way.

However the Lions could keep 6 receivers and 5 backs and short change in another area such as Linebacker. Should an injury arise they can manage to get guys like Caleb Campbell (I think he has 1 year left of P. S. eligibility), and Doug Hogue off the practice squad to develop.

I know a lot of guys think that we will not P. S. Hogue, I am not so sure. Right now he is a developmental project and he would be a liability to any team out there as a starter. If someone were to poach him then they would have to keep him on their 53 all year. Fortunately for us, I do not see too many teams that have the luxury of doing that. Even the bad teams like Carolina and the Rams have a good line backing corps. Remember that our 3-4th LBer (Carpenter) was picked up off waivers just last year. I would be surprised to see anyone going after any LBer we choose to practice squad. Heck even Ashleee Palmer and Isiah Ekejiuba were picked up off waivers.

Granted that one mans trash is another mans treasure, and that definitely can hold true in the NFL. However the quality of depth for the Lions at line backer is not quite there yet if you ask me. While I like our starting 3 now and feel that we do have two quality back ups in Durant, Carpenter, Palmer (depending on who you view as our last starter and first two back ups), I still feel that our last line backer positions leave a lot to be desired if forced into starting roles. From Ekejiuba to Campbell to Hogue to whoever else you want to name, they all have flaws in their game as a starter and some of those guys are fast approaching the age where there is little or no upside left to achieve.

I guess my point is this, when you are considering the special teams value of depth players on the roster like Stovall, Davies, Ekejiuba they all wash out as about equal, yet the receivers seem to have more value on the positional value and help to make us a stronger team overall.

By no means does this mean the Lions will P. S. Hogue, or cut Ekejiuba, nor does it mean that Stovall and Davis are locks for the 53 man roster. What it does mean is that it is feasible in my mind for it to happen and that no matter what we think, no matter how much we think we know, the coaches will likely never be in lockstep with fan based opinion on the bottom of the depth chart. There is just too much that goes on that we do not see, either because we do not have the exposure to the players and film they do, or because we do not have the eyes that are trained to see what their eyes see. No matter what the best even the most educated of us fans can manage is a guessing game as to the real process of hows, whys, and what will be in the actual process of determining roster cuts.

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by Evilsmurf on Aug 30, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow
Derrick Williams is a lock IMO

I think Derrick Williams is the furthest thing FROM a lock that any WR can possibly be at this point. Any idiot can run routes from anywhere on the field (whether they run them good or not is a different story). If the guy does NOT catch the balls thrown at him, however, then he is worthless IMO. Derrick Williams FINALLY caught a few passes last weekend, but that seemed to be too little to late if you ask me. No sir, if Derrick Williams is a lock at this point, then I seriously want to know whose butt he kisses and why it feels so good. I respect your opinion, but I do not agree.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Aug 30, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree to disagree

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Aug 30, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being in the right place at the right time is half the battle

Derrick runs good routes, in fact he is excellent at getting open. Simply by virtue of the fact the the QB’s keep throwing to him, even with his drop history, it speaks volumes about how often he gets open compared to other receivers. Or simply that he is in the right place at the right time.

Sure we rip on him and call him hands of stone, and sure he has a drop issue. I earlier referred to it as what I believe to be the yips. Something golfers get that pretty much means “he chokes”. IMO he should be seeing a sports psychologist.

By everyone’s estimation, Derrick Williams was one of the Lions’ most pleasant surprises through the first two weeks of training camp.

With his job on the line after two unproductive seasons and the addition of second-round pick Titus Young, Williams looked like a different, dependable receiver. He caught everything thrown his way and was steady enough through injuries to Young and Calvin Johnson that his departure no longer seemed a foregone conclusion.

But Williams undid some of his good work — how much only the Lions know — during a forgettable 4-second span late in the second quarter of Friday’s 34-3 win over the Bengals.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110814/SPORTS01/108140584/Dave-Birkett-Drops-hurt-Derrick-Williams-chances-remaining-Lion

Dave has it right, you don’t know, I don’t know. Obviously our opinions on the matter differ. Just remember this phrase from Jim Schwartz “body of work”. I would keep him for another year and see how much he progresses during the season. Worst case scenario, were I the coach, which I am nowhere close to qualified to be ;), I would cut him and nab someone off another teams practice squad.

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by Evilsmurf on Aug 30, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO you cant just look at the snapshot of the negative, you have to look at the positives too
Williams is fighting just to make the roster, so dropping the first two passes sent his way wasn’t a great start.

Instead of hanging his head and mailing it in as an off night, though, he came right back and made amends with a couple of very nice catches that helped the Lions get into field-goal range.

Coach Jim Schwartz said after the game he liked the fact Stanton had the confidence to go right back to Williams and that Williams came right back and made two nice plays.

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110813/SPORTS0101/108130344/Derrick-Williams-hangs-in-and-hangs-on#ixzz1WYhxmUrT

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by Evilsmurf on Aug 30, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Esmurf, I agree that none of us really know how the Lions feel about different players.....

but just the fact that Mayhew publicly complained about the production from the # 3 and # 4 WRs before the preseason; then drafted Titus Young and went out and signed Rashied Davis, and brought in Stovall too makes it pretty obvious that the Lions are looking for some competition in their WR depth not to mention Special Teams.

I think DWill’s “body of work” is actually working against him. Davis and Stovall are veterans with plenty of tape to show what they can do, and for the most part have delivered in this preseason. If DWill was going up against late round or UDFA rookies I would say you have a point. But not in this case. DWill making the roster will be one of the major surprises of this preseason.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

His “body of work” should not count practice and preseason games against 3rd and 4th string players. If it does, then practice seems to be the only bright spot I can imagine. He has caught a few passes against lower level defenses in preseason games, and maybe a few in the regular season, but for the most part he has proven that he is very unreliable when it comes to catching the ball.

E-Smurf…your reply further proves my point. Sure, Derrick Williams gets open…he may even be the best route runner when compared to the rest of our 3rd and 4th string WRs, and he may get balls thrown his way because he may be the only WR open at those times, BUT if he does not consistently come down with the football when it is thrown his way, then he is NOT doing his job and he is NOT a player we can count on depth wise. If value to the team for a WR was measured in speed, route running, practice performance, and getting open alone, the I would agree that Derrick Williams has value to this team. That said, Bryant Johnson would also have just as much value.

Bryant Johnson couldn’t catch a pass when needed, when it counted. Derrick Williams does not catch the ball when it counts. Bryant Johnson is gone…now a Dallas Cowboy I believe. I would be astonished if Derrick Williams makes the cut when we go down to 53.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Aug 31, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Derrick's chances of making this team are slim at this point.

I really think that the play of Stovall and Davis has pushed them ahead of Williams on the depth chart. In a post-practice interview last week, Linehan said: “Those are two guys that are going to be really good additions to our team, assuming things continue to go the way they are.” Linehan was also pretty specific about what each brings to the team.

I’ll tell you what, though. If Williams does make the roster, he needs to send Stanton one of those wine and cheese gift baskets, because Drew is single-handedly trying to keep Derrick on this team.

by Stephen02120 on Aug 30, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Aug 31, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I have the WR psoition fgured right now...

I have Williams missing out to Stovall and Davis. I have to admit that I have no concept of what is going through the heads of the coaches though. Williams was on special teams and made a tackle in the Pats game, so he is showing a little more flexibility there. It is very possible that we could cut either Stovall or Davis and keep Williams. Lord knows I have been wrong about things that I felt more strongly about than this one.

I think a part of this is how the different receivers fill specific roles on your offense. I like Stovall to be paired with CJ in the red zone in order to put more pressure on the cornerbacks with fade routes and force the defense to give them help from the safeties. That would open the middle for any of Burleson, Young, Pettigrew, Scheffler, Best, etc to take advantage. I just don’t know if Stovall is really athletic enough to consistently take the ball from a defensive back when he fights for it. Stovall also has some special teams value.

If we are to keep Williams, I would really think he pushes Davis off the roster. They seem to bring a similar skill set to the Lions. I definitely agree that DWill has more upside than Davis does. The only question is whether the Lions are tired of waiting for him to realize his potential. It really comes down to whether they want to give him one more season to break out or not.

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by TuffLynx on Aug 30, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also can not claim to know what the coaches and FO are thinking...

But in my opinion, and from what I see with my own eyes, Derrick Williams is a sieve…and his inability to consistently catch passes could prove detrimental to the team’s success if called upon as depth. Keep the guys that consistently catch the ball, and chalk Derrick Williams up as a mistake.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Aug 31, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the one thing that Dwill has going for him is somehow he has the confidence in drew stanton.Obviously stanton isnt our starter but for whatever reason anytime dwill makes a redic drop or two all it takes is stanton to give him a lil pep talk and he makes a catch he shouldnt even be able to make.I almost feel that he has an incredibly low self esteem and needs someone to “in luongos words” pump his tires for him.I agree i dont think that is how it should be but maybe, just maybe…he needs a few catches maybe a TD in the regular season to get him some self confidence.But if he can’t catch staff’s throws you can just say goodbye to the dwill experiment.All IMHO

by Michael21 on Aug 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Derrick Williams is a lock IMO, he is our most versatile and flexible depth guy, he can play X, Y, and Z and knows the playbook

ROFLMAO

Derrick runs good routes, in fact he is excellent at getting open

Big whoop, against 2nd and 3rd stringers, only to have the ball hit him in the facemask. The only thing that will keep him on this roster is a more serious injury to TY then anyone is letting on.

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by delusional on Aug 30, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

One catch doesn't make a career.

That catch is probably the only reason why he even got a shot this season. He may make a catch once in a while, I guess that’s what he ‘s paid to do, so actually catching one is sort of like his job, and nothing special, but he’s killed more drives with his drops, and why are a couple beyond ignorant s.t. plays sticking out in my head? A dumb penalty maybe?

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by delusional on Aug 31, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Derrick Williams in the regular season...

Has made a grand total of 9 catches, for 82 yards, over a span of 18 games (one start)!!

Big catches?? Maybe ONE big catch against the Giants…in a game that we still lost.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Aug 31, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me say that I have to retract on the whole lock thing, just a bad choice of words

Remember I qualified it with IMO which I should not have. I have been thinking long and hard about this since I posted this, and to me it all really depends on two things.

1) How many receivers we actually keep
2) If Stefan Logan is considered a WR or RB

In terms of pure receivers I have to re evaluate and say of course Calvin Johnson, and Nate Burleson are the clear cut number one and two.

I do believe that Titus Young will emerge as our number 3 for certain personnel packages even though he is not proven yet.

However I can also see Stovall and or Davis as #3 in some packages and possibly even a number two if we want to go “bigs”.

So I do see them as all begin ahead of Derrick. I had to go back and look at the body of work, and it took a bit of time to look up Davis and Stovall since they were on the Bears and Bucs.

I would also put Stefan ahead of him for sure, in fact I might even put him ahead of Davis and Stovall. Lets just say that I believe we have a three way tie for the number 4 receiver if you consider Stefan as a wide out.

So looking at the numbers it does seem to make it a slim chance for Derrick to make the cut, however I could see it happening. After all we did keep Eric King and Bryant Johnson much longer than I thought we would or should. I guess that was more the point I was trying to make. I can see the coaches keeping Williams even if I would not. I honestly get caught in a dilemma because I want to find a way to keep him on the roster and give him another shot.

It is just an example of the stat of our talent level rising when we are cutting a recent draft pick that has not lived up to billing thus far.

I also would not be surprised to see Derrick become a quality player on another team, but not many coaches will be as forgiving over drops as ours have been.

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by Evilsmurf on Aug 31, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now we're on the same page...:o)

I would love to be able to give him another chance too…but I am happy that we are in a position of tough cuts, rather than overly obvious ones.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

holy shit

I read through all of that to find the real meat and potatoes in the final paragraph

..What it does mean is that it is feasible in my mind for it to happen and that no matter what we think, no matter how much we think we know, the coaches will likely never be in lockstep with fan based opinion on the bottom of the depth chart…

Then again, I respect the other opinions you put forth even tho I chuckled at the whole Dwill is a lock part. It’s interesting to see the difference in thought about what position Felton being cut saves. My way of thinking is it allows one more OL, Culbreath, to remain. Granted, it is quite hard to determine.

You touched on another area of obvious relevance, ST play. With the prospect of Stovall, Davies, and Hogue entering the picture as solid ST players I’m left to wonder how secure Ekejiuba is. Going into the preseason I had him as a very likely candidate to return even tho he offers little MT value. I wasn’t expecting to see the other guys step it up as well as they have. My thinking is he might make the roster spot to allow Hogue to remain.

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 30, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think EEK is safe

I do not expect Hogue to make the final roster cuts.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Aug 31, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wrong then

I didn’t expect Felton to get released, at least this soon. But, as others have pointed out, I can see what they are trying to achieve. He had some decent plays here in Detroit. Good luck to ya Jerome.

by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 31, 2011 4:03 AM EDT reply actions  

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