THE Roster
by MagiC on Aug 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT
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I have Coleman as the last cut in order to make room for Culbreath whom they need to keep on the active roster until Fox is healthy.
Vasher has simply looked too good to me to cut. McDonald and Silva same deal. Wendling, they just signed to an expensive three year deal for his special teams ability. This means that Coleman goes.
Hogue stays or they'll lose him before they can sign him to the practice squad.
Ukejiuba is an enforcer on special teams and can play middle linebacker in a pinch.
D Will sticks because he has had an overall decent camp - is playing special teams now - and has too much youth and talent to bail out on just yet.
The Lions will still be looking to nab a 225 lb + running back with fresh legs off of the waiver wire - and then I don't know who they cut to make room.
Anyone who thinks that Aaron Brown gets cut is crazy - the guy has too much speed and versatility.
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Punter
Ya – and Donahue just has too much tape out now that indicates he’s the real deal as a punter / holder. Although that one is very tough to call.
Harris
Will be here as long as Hanson is still the kicker…I’d bet on that.
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
Very interesting
I say keep harrison over momo simply because momo hasnt practiced. I love what he has done for us in past but if u dont or cant practice i would release him. very tough decision but the nfl is a cut throat business. I also say keep coleman over wendling simply because he is better and we have added lots of special teamers this year that can replace him. Loving the Silva on team tho. Been a real gem so far
by DieHardFanForever on Aug 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions
Not sure on the RB spot
I think they’ll keep one more since Logan is rarely used as a RB. Otherwise I like it
Watching #49 was a blast but now it's time for some #53
by TheForceOfFollett on Aug 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Hate to disagree
But I see DWill being cut and Davis being kept because of special teams play. I think that Harrison stays as a RB with the possible loss of Brown in the backfield.
As far as Silva over Coleman, both players bit on the play action against the Pats so I don’t see either one having the edge. I haven’t been to any practices and all I have to judge by is what I saw in the game. Right now it’s a toss up. I would guess that they would keep Coleman over Silva because Silva can be placed on the practice squad. In the event of an injury, he can be activated (or if someone is playing like shit and gets cut, he can be pulled into action).
Other than that, I’d say everything looks good. It’s hard to believe that we are getting to discuss the final cuts and that there WILL be talent cut from the Lions roster. Amazing! Simply Amazing!
D Will
Ya man – D Will’s situation is gonna cause some discussion for sure.
He has talent – they drafted him in the 3rd just a few years ago. Unfortunately, I think his nerves have gotten the best of him when he’s had his chances so far. I don’t know for sure – but he might just need to settle down a little and then he’ll be fine.
Plus the knock on him was that he wasn’t playing on ST after losing the return man job – but now he is.
A couple of plays
on special teams and a couple of catches in the preseason won’t be enough to keep him on the roster, unfortunatly. DWill has the skills, but for some reason he hasn’t been able to put his mind and talent on the same page for a extended period of time.
Ask yourself this…
If the game was on the line, and you had choose between Davis and DWill on kick off coverage, who would you choose? Do you take the veteran known for his coverage skills, or the young player that has been trying for 2 years to prove himself? I’m sorry, but I gotta go with the experience on this one.
by Detroitfantc on Aug 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Same
If the game were on the line and you had to choose between throwing to a WIDE OPEN DW or a WIDE OPEN Rashied Davis…you’re insane if you throw it to Williams.
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
I would rather keep Harrison than Hogue
All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....
Couple comments...
1. No Fluellen? This guy could start anywhere in the league.
2. 7lbers? Seems a high number for one position… Hogue or Palmer… you can’t have both.
3. Davis is making the roster at WR… he’s too valuable on Special teams.
4. I agree with you on RBs… I just am not impressed with Harrison. If he doesn’t light it up tomorrow night, I think you nailed the RBs.
Every other position looks pretty close to reality.
1. No Fluellen? This guy could start anywhere in the league.
(I agree, but I think he will get a chance to prove it)
2. 7lbers? Seems a high number for one position… Hogue or Palmer… you can’t have both.
(Palmer will be gone if they only keep one or the other. They won’t waste a draft pick in the first year)
3. Davis is making the roster at WR… he’s too valuable on Special teams.
(I completely 110% agree. He will be kept over DWill because of his special teams play)
4. I agree with you on RBs… I just am not impressed with Harrison. If he doesn’t light it up tomorrow night, I think you nailed the RBs.
(I think that Harrison stays over Brown unless they find another back that gets released- looking at you, Bears)
by Detroitfantc on Aug 31, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got a bill that says Hogue is bound for the practice squad.
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
It's an electric bill...
Just saying…lol
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
Fluellen - other comments
Ya man – Fluellen’s a tough cut – especially with Fairley’s health situation a question mark still. I might have that one wrong. Fluellen plays DE too – so ya – that’d be a tough cut for sure.
Maybe they keep Flu and just keep Vasher’s phone number on speed dial ?
Davis is valuable on special teams – you’re right. I see them keeping D Will over him though because D Will is playing special teams now too, and is younger, and has more potential. Plus – the FO and the typical egos involved – they still will not want to cut a recent 3rd round draft pick.
What's with the lack of love for Harris?
Donahue may be out kicking him by a little bit, but in the net yardage Harris is better. The thing I’m seeing from Donahue is that he outkicks his coverage units. If he can get more air under the ball and the same distance, I’d be all for it. However, I think Nick Harris is still the Lions punter. It really comes down to this. I trust Harris to put the kick in the corner in a high pressure situation, I’m still not sold on Donahue.
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Agreed
I don’t think Harris gets cut until Hanson retires.
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
Hmmmm.....
I think there are few differences from what I would have done.
First, I agree with most others that Fluellen makes the team. You can take Hogue and put him on the practice squad cuz they will keep an extra D-lineman over an extra LBer…. guaranteed.
Second, I doubt that Culbreath is kept on the final 53. Another PS guy, IMO even with the injury to Fox. Hilliard can play both LT and RT in the event Backus or Cherilus goes down in the short-term. This gives us another roster spot that I think gets filled by either Harrison or Finley. Without a true fullback, either they keep four tight ends or Heller has a much bigger role.
Third, I think there’s little doubt that Rashied Davis is more valuable to the Lions than Derrick Williams. I know everyone (including the front office) wants a 3rd rounder to succeed, but I think the proof is finally in the pudding. Williams is nothing more than a focus-less 4th stringer that isn’t nearly as valuable on ST as Davis. Send him packing…. finally.
Fourth, I like Silva, but one interception does not a roster make. I think Coleman and his veteran experience makes the club. Silva looks like a good PS candidate if he can clear waivers.
Lastly, I think that Harris beats out Donahue. Harris is a good punter and a great holder and I think that now that Hanson is THE GUY again (hehehe… like Rayner really ever had a chance), they will not want to split up the holding-kicking combo of Harris and Hanson.
Anyway… my $0.02…
Two interceptions and a fumble recovery
for Silva
just pass me the damn ball
by Christopher Moriarty on Aug 31, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, you are right.
I forgot about his “gift” in the Bengals game. But don’t forget about the first play that he was in the Patriots game….. Brady to Welker TD. I like his promise, but he is pretty raw yet. Coleman (who to be fair, was also in that Brady to Welker snafu) has the experience and a little more reliability on his side. If one of my items above were not to happen, it might just be Silva over Coleman. I’ll stick with my opinion for now though….
I slowmo'd that play a dozen times, Drew. Silva was playing the other side of the field.
Coleman and Berry not only bit on the run fake, they were in full run support transition.
Lol, at least Silva was in the camera shot when Welker scored.
Oh, and BTW, this was the second time Coleman was burned badly in 2 weeks.
Slomo it again
Pay attention to what happens when Coleman/Berry fully bit. He froze like a deer in headlights. He may have hustled to give the appearance that he had any chance on that play, but it was no better than CC Brown chasing down some guy from behind because he made a mistake. Silva’s raw; flashy, but raw. Bite or not, you can’t go stiff legged like that, that’s uncertainty and timid, we want attackers. I’m not saying Silva is cut for that, but he’s being overrated a little bit for the flashy plays and not being scrutinized enough for the fundamentals.
by Mavyrk on Aug 31, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what he did
was maintain his primary responsibility which was the other side of the field. cmon now blaming silva at all on that play is like blaming burl for a bj drop
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
by Justan Oldfart on Aug 31, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
His primary responsibility
Is to DO SOMETHING. Anything. Sniff out the play, find someone coming near your zone, anything at all. Flat feet is lethal because the WRs you’re up against are already moving.
That’s why zones are large areas, you can still man your zone and be prowling in it.
by Mavyrk on Aug 31, 2011 6:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No zone covers the field sideline to sideline
And if he would have ran over there to get there in time to make a play, Brady would have seen him move and he would have toasted us on THAt side of the field instead. You can’t MAKE anything happen. You have to STAY HOME and take care of YOUR responsibilities.
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
I never said he needed to bolt across the field.
Edging a little closer to center? Yeah, he could have done that. Not standing flat footed? Could have done that too. Zones may not be sideline to sideline, but they most certainly are not three feet wide.
Really it is a moot point
Not worth arguing over, or wasting my time explaining it, because Delmas and Spievey will be in there when the Ws and Ls start counting. All I can say is that if Silva was playing zone, most likely his area of coverage was on his side of the field, outisde of the hash mark. He was likely reading a different receiver, bit on the play fake (not unlike the others), and was late flowing to the ball. He wasn’t out of position or anything like that.
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
Word on the 4 TEs
I was thinking that the other day.
Linehan’s offense has developed around the TE position… why carry only 3?
agree
i would keep clapp and let him and heller play TE/FB
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Love the fact....
the FO has tough cuts to make! Definitely shows our team’s talent pool is greatly improved.
Now for my take…While on leave, I did have the chance to check out a Lions practice, and lemme tell ya…Davis is SHARP! D-Will may have potential, but he’ll have to prove it somewhere else. Davis is an ST Ace (nothing new there) and even with Williams starting to work on Special Teams, I think it’s a little too little too late. BJ got picked up, so I’m thinkin’ D-Will is gonna be on somebody’s roster, just not ours.
I’m only seeing us keeping 4 OTs on the active roster, with Culbreath going to the Practice squad. Additionally, even though he is listed right now as RB, Logan could be that 6th WR and we could more than likely be keeping Harrison…
The LB corp looks tough and I would hate to make a call on that one…based on that fact alone, I think you may be right. Sticking with the D, I agree with Drew see Coleman making the roster and Silva more than likely making the PS.
Having read everyone else’s posts, I’m really not stating anything new, just easier writing on opinion vs. fifty replies.
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I don't believe I have seen enough to make an educated guess on who will make the roster.....
…..but that has never stopped me before.
My thoughts;
1. if Hilliard looks good at the Guard spot this may force Thomas out and allow the Lions to keep Culbreath on the roster and not risk him on the PS. If not, Culbreath to the PS.
2. Five WRs including Logan and Davis. Sorry Stovall. You looked good, but not good enough. DWill is gone too.
3. Six LBs only. I think Isiah is history. Hogue stays on.
4. Five Safeties. Silva makes it.
5. Fluellen is in too. A versatile guy who plays DT, DE, and ST. A keeper who is getting better every year.
6. Harrison makes it as our fourth RB.
7. Five Corners only. One of Vasher or McDonald are out. I really can’t say which one.
Lastly, I don’t see any trades or pickups pre or post roster cuts.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
Harrison will stay over Derrick Williams
Logan is listed as a WR. Ekejiuba or Palmer might get cut because I think the Lions really like what they have in Hogue, and both Ekejiuba and Palmer can play middle if need be, so it doesn’t make sense to keep both. I don’t think we keep Donald Thomas. There’s a reason the Lions have been playing Corey Hilliard at OG, they think he might be able to play both their and tackle, that would allow them to cut a guy like Thomas who is simply a guard. Gandy can also play guard. Some way or some how I think they keep Fluellen. He can play both inside and outside and the coaches really like that. With Fairley being injured, they really can’t go into the season with just three healthy DTs.
Obviously we can debate this...
But I do not see the Lions keep both seven linebackers and six cornerbacks. I think that Isaiah Ekejiuba is out simply because we have so many guys that play special teams already. I think that if we keep seven linebackers, Caleb Campbell will make the squad instead because I don’t think he can go back on PS this season. There is a possibility he can get a third year on PS, but I don’t know.
I also do not see the Lions going into the season with only four running backs, especially when one of them (Logan) would be little used at that position. You need to add one more IMO.
If Phonz is not activated by the time that final cuts come, look for the Lions to PUP him. That will move your CBs back down to five and delay the decision about what to do with Phonz for six weeks. That allows the Lions to use him to compensate for an injury at CB if one happens.
I also do not really see the Lions cutting Fluellen because he is so versatile.
I think many people will be upset that you kept DWill over Davis.
Rosters like these are so open to debate, it is impossible to come up with one that everybody will like.
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I agree with everything but Campbell over Ekejiuba.
You are keeping that player as two things… MLB depth and outstanding ST play. I think Ekejiuba beats Campbell in both of those areas. We already have Carpenter and Palmer as back-ups on the outside, so you only need one more true MLB guy. The fact that Campbell apparently can’t go to the PS is sad, but time to let him go.
The thing is...
Isaiah Ekejiuba is a known quantity. He is old enough that there isn’t much upside left there. His role on special teams can be filled by a lot of other guys, including Campbell. The Lions have to decide if they want to keep a one dimensional player like Ekejiuba over a guy that could develop into more in Campbell. We saw Ekejiuba play at linebacker last season and he was not very impressive. With the linebackers the Lions have now, they can afford to be a bit patient, so I feel that Campbell offers more to the Lions than Ekejiuba does.
With that said, I don’t think the Lions will keep seven LBs so it may be a moot point. If the Lions keep only six LBs then both Campbell and Ekejiuba may be cut. Another possibility is that the Lions will roll the dice in putting Hogue on the PS in order to keep one of them.
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Im w/ you on the LB situation here
I dont think 7 will stay and i think Eke is on the outs of this one. Gun and Schwartz have 6 names that roll from their tongues when they talk of LB’s aside from teh expected starting 3 and that is Carpenter first and Palmer second followed by Schwartz love of Hogue coming along. Schwartz was already asked this question about Hogue and his thought was they could develop him behind the main 3 and Carpenter w/ out throwing him to the wolves. Which says he could pass Palmer on depth chart maybe by mid to late season. The MLB position will be Tullochs or Levy’s flat out if they other goes down and will be the main LB used on all downs if that happens.
@the post itself. A fifth running back will be on the squad and will pass Logan as the 4th and have Logan as the fifth back. So id say add Harrison or a cut player or even a traded player to that spot.
Flue as most have said is the lock at 5th spot on line keeping 9 linemen, lets go w/ the current preseason situation of having KVB out for a few weeks that leaves a very weak rotation on the Line not to mention theres the IF factor still w/ Fairley. His versatility is whats going to keep him on roster.
everyone keeps talkin bout Wendling signing a deal for 3 yrs. Depending on language of contract he could be expendable w/ a minimum loss in terms of against cap and only for the year. And by most camp reports he’s on the outside looking in due to his injury. Silva will not last on the PS so i think they keep him.
as Tuff has said its highly debatable at this point but its only a few positions and its really all about the best depth to keep it going when players need a break or miss a few games to injury. Though its exciting to debate who the back ups are and not the Starters at this point going into a season.
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by JaiGaiaAries on Aug 31, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, out of our linebackers...
Levy, Carpenter, Palmer, Hogue and Campbell have all played on special teams. Durant has also played on special teams in the past but I have not seen him play ST with the Lions that I remember. We also have several WRs, CBs, and Safeties that play gunner on ST. How many guys do we actually need for special teams?
I really think that the contribution that Ekejiuba makes on special teams is overblown. He made nine special teams tackles last season. So did Bobby Carpenter. Carpenter was the guy playing in Ekejiuba’s position after Isaiah went on IR and we won with him there. Ekejiuba does not bring anything to the Lions that is not easily replaced.
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I'd take Coleman over Vasher anyday
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Vasher has made a few plays in preseason...
what have we seen from Coleman?
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Ive seen him get burned
not once but twice
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Substantiating my original post
As for cutting Fluellen – I guess in my mind – even though the guy has talent and versatility and plays ST – I just don’t see him getting any snaps at all in the DL rotation. There is just too much talent ahead of him. Conversely, some of the other bubble guys I definitely see as having a role, not only for this year, but going forward.
You might say – how do you cut Fluellen and keep a guy like Ekejuiba? Well – good question. The answer is that Ekejuiba is a ST ace like Wendling. He is a leader in the ST room and sets the tone for that whole ST 1/3 of the teams play.
Guys like Silva, Hogue, and Culbreath all have NFL physical tools and potential. If they’ve “shown up” at all during camp, the Lions will most likely keep these young players versus risking losing them. A player has to clear waivers before they can be placed on the PS and these guys most likely will not clear waivers. These guys have had good camps and have flashed in preseason games.
Coleman – though experienced – is small for a safety. He just seems to me like another guy they’ve had on an extended tryout. They signed him to a one year deal I believe. They signed Wendling to an expensive 3 year deal because he made the pro bowl last year as a ST ace. So I have Coleman down to a tough last cut – they’ll keep his phone number.
Fans seem to want to trash Vasher – but it looks to me like the guy is almost all the way back to the form he once displayed when he was a pro bowler. He is not old. He plays the ball well and he put down some impressive tape during the Lions winning streak last year. He will make the team IMO.
McDonald – same deal – a former starter who has some talent and some tread left on him.
Harrison to me only makes sense if Momo won’t be ready by 9/11/11. If Momo is ready – you’ve got Best, Momo, and Brown as your RB’s with Logan a guy who – once again – has a role as a RB in certain packages. As far as I know, the Lions consider Logan a backup RB now instead of WR.
As for D Will. NFL teams typically do not give up on high draft picks this early in the player’s career unless the player proves that they are a bust that does not in fact have the NFL talent that he was thought to have when drafted. D Will has proven this camp that he DOES have talent. He screwed up on a few plays in preseason folks – that is what preseason is all about to some extent. Conversely, Davis – while a tough cut – is much older and has less upside as a receiver. His ST value is lessened by the fact that the team is fairly loaded with solid ST players now.
I made my choices on the O line due to the fact that we need to start developing depth there for sure. We need the Thomas’ and Gandy’s and Culbreath’s. I wish I knew more about Nishwanger – I guess I don’t know that much about him even though he has an NFL resume.
I still see the Lions trying to nab some thunder at RB off of the waiver wire – and some of these guys like Momo, Smith, Fox, and even Fairley – dare I say it – might end up on PUP. So we’ll just have to see how everything shakes out.
I can't help but disagree on the Flu point
Yes, we’re deep there. But there’s four positions that will constantly be rotated in/out. He will get snaps, every game probably. Even if it’s only the last drive of the game.
I cant help but disagree on the DWill point
Derrick Williams has gotton plenty of opprotunties and he just drops, and drops and drops. He isnt a special team player imo. Maybe try and squeeze a draft pick out a team?
Rashied Davis is a “glue guy”. He is a ST ace and a pretty good receiver. He would be, what, the 4th or 5th reciever? We dont need raw guys at that point. He is a vet leader. We need to keep him
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I agree about Davis.
The Lions went out of their way to get and sign Davis. They were pretty pumped about getting him away from the Bears. I don’t think there is any doubt that he will make the team. Adequate back up WR and special teams ace.
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