My Guess at the 53 Man...
QB Matthew Stafford
QB Shaun Hill
QB Drew Stanton
RB Jahvid Best
RB Mikel Leshoure
RB Maurice Morris
FB Jerome Felton
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Nate Burleson
WR Titus Young
WR Rashied Davis
WR Stefan Logan
TE Brandon Pettigrew
TE Tony Scheffler
TE Will Heller
OT Jeff Backus
OT Gosder Cherilus
OT Jason Fox
OT Corey Hilliard
OT Tony Ugoh
OG Rob Sims
OG Stephen Peterman
OG Donald Thomas
C Dominic Raiola
C Dylan Gandy
DE Cliff Avril
DE Kyle Vanden osch
DE Lawrence Jackson
DE Willie Young
DT Ndamukong Suh
DT Nick Fairley
DT Corey Williams
DT Sammie Hill
DT Andre Fluellen
LB DeAndre Levy
LB Stephen Tulloch
LB Justin Durant
LB Isaiah Ekejiuba
LB Ashlee Palmer
LB Doug Hogue
CB Alphonso Smith
CB Eric Wright
CB Nathan Vasher
CB Chris Houston
CB Maurice Leggett
CB Aaron Berry
S Louis Delmas
S Amari Spievey
S Erik Coleman
S John Wendling
K Dave Rayner
P Nick Harris
LS Don Muhlbach
Personally, I don't think we will carry 4 RB's and I think we will carry 6 LB's...but replacing Doug Houge with Aaron Brown is very possible.
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Missed Chris Houston
I’m guessing that was an accident.
Dang, Pratt Gets Cut!
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Hogue and Ekejiuba look questionable in camp, and might be goners.
So does Coleman. Leggett is a ???. Move Ugoh to OG. Hanson is in based on his camp. Add OC Dan Gerberry
So Carpanter over Houge? I admit to being a Houge applogist LOL!
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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Coleman is in there....
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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I think hes the starter lol
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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno.
I was just reiterating what I read from mikeyclaw, which I read as “Coleman looks questionable in camp too, so he might be a goner.”
Mikeyclaw can feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Anyways, I see Spievey as the future, tbh. I like the way he balls. We’d have our little Polamalu/Reed combo going on; one ballhawk, one woodlayer.
yeah I agree
but if there are any stumbling blocks to Spievey’s shortened offseason, Coleman might start at first…
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Spievey has been getting the first team reps with Delmas.
I suppose it is possible that Coleman could get cut. I would think that he can beat Randy Phillips for a spot, but who knows. We certainly will be cutting some people that are going to make us sad.
I agree
there will be cuts that make you go “huh?” But I just don’t see them cutting Coleman. He’s too much of a leader and teacher to help our very young backfield…
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Coleman isn't questionable
at least his job security isn’t, bank on it!
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Why 5 DTs?
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great
Eh, I just think they keep 7 lineman, and the DTs are better than the DE's...
Tons of rotation
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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
He’s better than any of the DEs we have at that 5th spot right now ((doesn’t mean they won’t bring someone in though)
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I like keeping the 5 DT's
Fluellen can play both DT or DE, and gives us lots of flexibility in our rotation. Also, Schwartz and Gunther have lined Suh up at DE at times, and keeping Fluellen gives us the depth to do things like that. If there’s one thing Schwartz likes, it’s position flexibility.
Id rather....
see them keep 4 DTs, 5 corners and 6 wideouts. That means fluellen gone, Vasher or Leggett gone, WR Ballard makes the team and Matt Clapp (opens holes and can pass block) makes the team and maybe felton gone. In the end its all on there camps.
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great
I think Fluellen won't make it... i can't see keeping 5 DT over Ballard
I would rather have Mike Clapp over Felton but to be honest out of the full backs the best special teamer should make it.
I don’t see Leggett getting cut he has alot of special teams value.. where i think Vasher does get the axe. Only because he will be the last DB into the game after Houston, Wright, Smith and Berry…so don’t see Vashers value on special teams so he likely gets the axe..
Nothing personnel....
against Felton but watched too many games where he missed key blocks in the run game. I agree he has value at special teams though.
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great
Man, everyone is fricking gaga oer Ballard
I bet he doesn’t make the team… hes an old rookie with Raw talent, If he CANT make the team, he isnt even worth keeping on the practice squad.. too old to develop
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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
how old is he?
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great
Nobody's going gaga over Ballard
He just is simply worth a look at the #5 WR spot. That’s all. And he is without a doubt favored to get it over Toone.
I forgot who said it and in what thread, but they were spot on when they said you could do A LOT worse with that 53rd roster spot than to give it to a legitamite Red Zone target.
Clapp's looking beastly
hope he shows he’s more reliable and a better blocker in the hole than Felton, cause that would be great!
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Seriously?
You would rather keep a 26 year old project WR who’s done nothing but make a couple of impressive catches in practice over newly re-signed Fluellen, who is not only versatile but has actually proven to be productive in NFL games? Does that really make any kind of sense at all? I’m going with “no”.
6 WRs is a ton
when you have 3 very solid TEs and RBs that catch the ball alot…no need for WR 5 & 6 IMO
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Keeping Ballard was more of a personal preference.
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Practice squad
I know there’s a lot of risk there, but I highly doubt the dude is ready in 5 weeks. He doesn’t have any real experience beat jams and is not quick at all (gains his speed from long strides) so he’ll need to work on getting off the line and running crisp routes. I like him as a prospect for sure, but more like in 2013…
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Carpenter
will be on the 53 man because of his coverage skills and special teams play over Hogue. Plus, Hogue can be moved to the practice squad.
The love fest with Ballard is mind boggling lol
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Not really
He is big reciever on a roster that looks like CJ and three midgets right now. And he has upside and a defineable NFL skill, which is more than I can say for Williams or Davis.
Will he make it? Probably not. But at least it’s an option that doesn’t involve retreading guys who’ve shown basically nothing in their careers as #4 WRs.
I rather have Ballard than D will
D will had his chance and stunk up the joint. Time to move on.
by Usmarine0341 on Aug 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing you didn't talent evaluate Jimmy Smith or he would have been cut...
….instead he went on to make a few pro bowls and played 8 more years… and Jacksonville picked him up at 28.
Point being that if he can play fine…if he can’t fine. But he looks really good and seems to be a special player…. i don’t see a single corner on our roster that can stop him in red zone situations…. so… isn’t that worth exploring?… isn’t that worth interest?… i say >> YES!
You somed it up bro!
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great
spell ckeck! "summed"
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great
Actually...
First off, Smith had turned 26 literally days before the Jags picked him up, I have no idea where you got that 28 number from.
Secondly, Smith was a beast in college and was a second round draft pick, so you can’t really compare the two. At all. True, Smith was also (barely) 26 when he went to the Jags, but he also had three NFL seasons under his belt already at that point.
Third, considering the supremely inferior competition that he faced in college, Ballard didn’t put up anywhere close to the numbers that he should/could have. His best game came in a game against Sacramento State, where he had 8 catches for 111 yards and one TD. That sounds nice, but you need to keep in mind that he was playing against Sacramento State, and if that’s the best he could do against very bad college competition, then I imagine he’s gonna have a hell of a time trying to deal with NFL secondaries.
I really, really want to like Ballard, and after a year on the practice squad maybe I will, but the realist in me is able to admit that if the best he can do is 111 yards against Sacramento State, then there’s little to no chance of him being able to do anything in the NFL anytime soon. Let’s give the dude a year or two to adjust to the pace of the NFL before we start slobbering over him.
I agree
Some of the blame could fall on his QB though…especially if he wasn’t accurate.
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
If ballard makes the roster...
The Lions would have to chop down the playbook for him. He would probably be used only on the goal line for two or three different routes or something like that. He has way too far to go in order to learn the offense and techniques that are expected of an NFL caliber player. So the only way he can make an impact is if the Lions really specialize him.
There are two HUGE problems with that. When he comes into the game the defense will know more or less what he is going to do. So his effectiveness becomes a matter of being able to execute at a high level. Since he was up against such inferior competition previously I am not sure he can actually do that.
The second problem is that you tie up a roster spot on a guy that is very limited in how he can help you. That just does not match the way that Schwartz likes to roll. He LOVES him some flexibility in his players.
I really see Ballard as a practice squad player as well. Sure, it is a risk. but if another team wants to claim him and carry him on their roster for the season then they can deal with having to coach him up and develop him into somebody that can contribute. Ballard really needs one year on a practice squad to develop enough to make an NFL roster.
LOL, so you are willing to toss away a guy like Carpenter that has and would contribute...
but keep a project player like Ballard that is likely to accomplish little to nothing in his first year. Interesting.
Everybody loves a big WR, Cap.
I’m not going to deny that he looks good in practice, but I likewise can’t understand the amount of infatuation that I’m seeing.
I think Stefan Logan should be counted as the 4th HB
and then they keep either Stovall or Ballard as the 5th WR (to give them some size at WR outside of Calvin). And yes, Barbie Carpenter should definitely make the team. As far as which players they’d replace, it’s hard to say (maybe Flu, Hogue, Ekejiuba, Ugoh or Hilliard). I do give Leggett a good shot to make the team (in addition to the other 5 CBs) for his ability to back-up at cornerback AND safety, in addition to the special teams value
by Forward Down The Field on Aug 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
yea, adding bobby and ballard means cutting 2 guys
I think Ballard is basically like Bigfoot.. we will see if he is real, or if people just want him to be real.
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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
Ballard is a big reason (literally) to get excited for the pre-season games.
Also, I forgot about Derrick Williams. I’m not a huge fan of his, but he’s been solid in camp so far, so I’d throw him in the mix with Stovall, Ballard, and Davis as a legit candidate for a WR spot.
by Forward Down The Field on Aug 4, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
What about?
So whatever happened to Toone at WR, I know that he was listed on the practice team most of the year and suffered with a injured foot the entire year. Anyone know if its better is he practicing, he was exciting to watch.
Oh, yeah!
I also forgot about Toone. I saw him at the open practice on Saturday and he was, indeed, practicing. He had a really ugly drop though, so I guess that’s why I forgot about him. He looked good fielding punts though, for whatever that’s worth.
by Forward Down The Field on Aug 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe hes a practice guy, not a gamer. Worth finding out.
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great
ha!
well said! Ballard the man the myth is an interesting camp story at the least
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the lions have cap proleams and derick willams and jerome felton and maybee jayson handson and maurice moris might be cut . yes the lions willask a few players to lowear thier contracts to get under the cap this year . and ithink the lions will get the cap they need to by thusday but if the lions lions gm want to have cap space to pick up players at the end of canmp those our the players i would cut .also most licke nick fareley will strart on the 4weack injuery list to start the year out so he mack e the roster but the lions can t use him till game 5 of the year so you will have extra roster spot in till then .
indeed
I think one of the top 51 earners will be gone by Friday afternoon for cap reasons. I’d like to think it’ll be Felton in a trade but it’s hard to say. They should be able to work some cap magic tho so it may not be necessary.
I fear you might be right about Fairley and the PuP :(
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My goodness
It’s tough to read your comment with all of those spelling errors. Not to be Commenter Clippy, but that’s atrocious.
yeah buddy!
Rayner over Hanson?!?
Personally I prefer it but everything I’m reading is saying it’s Hanson’s job to lose and he’s kicking great…
I think the question with Hanson is not how he is kicking, he always kicks great.
It is more about whether his leg can hold up for the season. Even if Rayner is cut, he might end up on the roster later if Hanson goes down again. The injuries to Hanson’s knees the last two seasons may be an indication that all the kicking he has done is just wearing out his joints. Maybe it will be an ankle or a hip next time. As always, time will tell.
I think you should factor in at least one cut that makes no sense to anyone
Those seem to happen every year. Like last year when we cut Cohen and kept Flu
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions
Also cutting Dre Bly
and keeping Eric King
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 4, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Not with all that kung fu he is learning
I bet he does one of those haroken fireball things in a game.
exactly
I have to agree with $ that Flu should be feeling the pressure about now.
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I'm hoping that UDFA punter tears some shit up and makes the squad
I’ve never been a huge fan of Harris.
Any reason in specific? I thought harris was great last year, he was great at keeping the other team deep.
Nick Harris is a weapon
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lol, i think it was! Bastard!
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This is the first I've heard of it being a bad hold.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
I heard it a couple time’s but never held any stock in it.We all know what happened in that situation.
I'm more inclined to believe Suh just shanked it.
He played, he was tired. That’s what happened. Harris has been nothing but solid for us. I am interested to see the new kid and how he stacks up though.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Yea, it wasn't harris
Im just bullshitting
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I see you have Harris making your roster.
Is that because you believe he can beat out the new kid, or more that the new guy will be roster casualty? Personally, I love Harris, but he is getting older and makes a nice salary. I firmly believe he could become a cap casualty if the Donahue is any good. I haven’t heard anything about how he looks at camp though. If Harris’ salary is a non issue, punt for punt I think Harris is one of the best in the league at his craft. Not THE best, but I’d put him up there. I like his consistency and his holding skills.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
No reason specifically
Harris is solid but he isnt imo the most accurate and he doesn’t have the power some of the other punters have. He is far far from bad but I think we have room to improve that position.
by Usmarine0341 on Aug 4, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I'd change is probably keep Hanson
but I understand the reason, and if we are having a hard time getting under the cap, he may be the main cap casualty. Good job!
A couple tough decisions in Carpenter and Phillips (but he’s still eligible for practice squad right!?). Hope the roster looks like this in a few weeks.
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I'd keep one more LB and one less CB
I’ll take Carpenter over Mo Leggs or Vasher.
Hanson v. Rayner is tough, I’m intruiged by the idea ob Ballard, and a FB other than Felton would be nice. But really all I’d for sure change is add Carpenter and drop a CB.
problem is
normally* CBs go down like flies, LB get dinged up a lot, but are still able to play decently…
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I get that
But Leggett and Vasher are no great shakes. An emergency street free agent would probably do as well. In fact, they did last year.
The guys Detroit pulled off the street to play LB? Shudder
Obviously a matter of personal preference though.
that did happen last year
credit to Mayhew. But as evidenced by our many years of futility at CB, that doesn’t happen all that often…I feel better about our LB depth given the nature and severity of injuries in general when comparing the two positions…
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your'e right
While I don’t know Leggett very well, we did see a bit of McDonald last season. He was actually pretty good in the ST looks we saw. He has more upside as CB depth too.
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i would have to disagree with you big time AJ smith:)
Legget was making major impressions in his first year and was pushing to start for KC… then he got hurt… then following year hurt again… Guns has a history with him because of his coverage skills and special teams value…. he ISN"T just a camp body.. that kid can acturally play ball
that's good to know!
I’m a lot more eager to hear of how he’s doing then!!
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Vasher's past his prime
so I don’t mind that cut. Mo Leggs might be a legitimate starting CB though (at least in the nickel) if he can stay healthy and get some experience…he’s that talented!
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Culbreath will make the team
He is a future NFL star!
hah
based on what!?! Hope you’re right though!
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Houge will be on
Practice squad. Carpenter will make the team
Thumbs up!
by GhostofLionspast on Aug 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
makes sense
except there’s no way Hogue doesn’t get poached. Unfortunately, a ST player will probably get the can (i.e. Isaiah Ekejiuba) – which I don’t agree with, I think ST is very important, especially when you have a real chance to be the best ST unit…but I don’t want to lose Hogue either and we need to groom a young LB or two to step into Durant or Tulloch’s role in a couple years…
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I don't know about that
He wont be the only LB on a PS. It sounds like he’s still struggling so as it stands he might be able to make it on PS I dont know. Somehow I think Culbreath would get snagged off PS before Hogue. All guess tho
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I agree on most of your choices...
But something tells me that if we keep Felton it will be as a RB, and not as a FB, because we want a “true” FB there who is a beast at lead blocking. I see Clapp or Dial getting it and the other guy landing on the practice squad. I think Mikel Leshoure is capable of doing anything Felton did for us (short yardage, clock management) but much better and more versatile.
At WR, I could see us cutting Davis and having a guy like Michael Moore or possibly Maurice Stovall being our no.5 since they would add height. This is a tough call, as they may value Rashied Davis’ value on s/t’s and as a no.4/5 guy and overlook his size since we could have CJ, Pettigrew, and Scheffler in goal line looks. My gut tells me it may come down to Derrick Williams and Rashied Davis for a spot and Moore/Stovall for the other spot.
At LB, Carpenter is a lock to make the team and get a lot of looks in passing situations/as primary back up at OLB.
Besides that, I think Hanson for sure has the job. Before I went to training camp, I was on the Rayner bandwagon 100%. Seeing Hanson nail 50 yard FG’s, ones that could’ve made it from 55+, restored my faith in him. He is still a beast, and the only way he isn’t our guy is if gets hurt in camp again or the Lions are too afraid to lose Rayner, as he has a good ten+ years left, Hanson, not so much.
And some said they hope that Donahue replaces Harris, and this will not happen. At the same camp, Donahue looked like half the punter Harris is, and he failed with directional kicks as well as distance. Harris consistently booted his punts in the 45 yard range with good hang time and Donahue had ok hangtime, but distance wise we’re talking 30-35 yards tops. Harris is in the top ten as far as average and top 20 for punts inside the 20 for 2010. He also makes very few mistakes, which ultimately means he doesn’t hurt the team. Harris will be back, and hopefully has another good season.
Couple of things for me
Great list but
Change Wendling to Randy Phillips. Wendling is ST only. Phillips has showed some good flashes at saftey
I’m not sure Felton dosen’t get cut for Clapp or Dial
Not sure I agree with only 3 RBs either
I am sure Carpenter will make the team somewere. Might get Isaiahs spot
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"Wendling is ST only. Phillips has showed some good flashes at saftey"
But will Phillips actually be grabbing play as a safety? I’d rather dedicate a roster spot to a great special teamer, than to a depth role player.
A case for Wendling
When he was called upon to play safety at the end of last year, he did not blow anyone’s mind with his skills. But he played solid and did not miss tackles. Phillips to practice squad, Wendling on the 53 man.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Wendling
was thought of as a special teams only guy on his previous team whoever it was. The reason he was cut from what I’ve read is that although he was excellent on kick coverage he was very bad on return teams because of poor blocking. I wonder if that is still a valid critique.
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
by Justan Oldfart on Aug 4, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a good question.
I have no idea what his blocking skills look like on ST receiving. Hopefully someone will fill us in.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
You did a pretty nice job
Naturally there are some things I would have done differently, but they are all on the fringes of the team and that makes them highly subjective.
Hmmm
QB seems right, I don’t see us carrying 4 QB’s unless Stafford gets injured again.
RB I can buy into what you have.
FB ehhhhh not so sure there. Supposedly Felton is in a serious battle with Matt Clapp and honestly I am rooting for Clapp. I don’t care for Felton much after his play me or trade me comment last year.
I could also see Stfan Logan making the roster over Felton if they want to keep him for punt returns. The rule change really hurt his chances though as kick returns are about moot now.
On WR I disagree a bit here. I think Derrick Williams is going to seriously open some eyes this year. I expect him and Titus to battle it out for the 3-4 positions and I am not sure that Davis makes the roster.
I know that Stefan Logan is listed as a WR at times on the roster, but they use him like a RB so I put him with that group.
5th WR IMO is going to be an all out battle and I have no idea who makes it. Stovall and Davis are the likely choices but I would not rule Ballard out.
OT, I am not sure we keep 5 on the actual 53. Personally I expect them to PUP Backus or cut him.
on LB i expect Carpenter to make it and Ekejiuba to be the odd man out.
CB I expect the Lions to PUP Phonz, so you will see someone else get a shot somewhere on the roster, at least until week 6.
S is too hard to read if Phillips or Wendling makes it. A lot depends on if they keep ST gunners in other positions, like if they keep both Davis and Stovall. Then you might see them part ways with Wendling and go with the higher upside and positional value of Phillips.
On the ST kickers and LS I agree, Hanson will retire this year.
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obviously you have some reason to think Backus is hurt more than they're saying
what’s the reason?
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PUP Smith just because they don't want to cut Leggitt, McDonald, or Vasher
or what? Because his foot should be totally fine come week 1…
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CB Alphonso Smith (foot) removed his walking cast Friday and attended practice in cleats. Smith’s progress is good news on the injury front for Detroit as they look to create a legitimate CB competition in camp. Lions RapidReports
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I don't think they will get away with it unless he has complications to his injury.
H has already taken off his boot and he is probably three weeks from practicing. I think a player has to be examined by a league approved doctor to be put on PUP or IR. So if he is not really hurt, I doubt the league would allow it. If Phonz doesn’t make the cut then Mayhew is going to have to wave his magic wand and get him traded for something.
I would think
that the Lions would IR Backus rather than cut him if he can’t play, and ask him to renegotiate his contract if his replacement does well. If they think he would be ready to play by week seven then they would PUP him instead.
It IS tough cuts
It’s nice not to be waiting on New England or Green Bay rejects to fill one or two of the many holes on the roster with mediocre players like previous years. It all feels so much better!!!
Go Lions!!!
What's also nice
is that some of our cuts will be quickly picked up by someone else this year.
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
by Justan Oldfart on Aug 6, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My 2011 Lions Team
QB’s = 3
QB Matthew Stafford
QB Shaun Hill
QB Drew Stanton
RB’s = 3
RB Jahvid Best
RB Mikel Leshoure
RB Aaron Brown
FB’s = 1
FB Matt Clapp
WR’s = 5
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Nate Burleson
WR Titus Young
WR Derrick Williams
WR Stefan Logan
TE’s = 3
TE Brandon Pettigrew
TE Tony Scheffler
TE Will Heller
OT’s = 4
OT Jeff Backus
OT Gosder Cherilus
OT Jason Fox
OT Corey Hilliard
OG’s =3
OG Rob Sims
OG Stephen Peterman
OG Donald Thomas
C’s =2
C Dominic Raiola
C Dylan Gandy
DE’s = 4
DE Cliff Avril
DE Kyle Vanden Bosch
DE Lawrence Jackson
DE Willie Young
DT’s = 4
DT Ndamukong Suh
DT Corey Williams
DT Sammie Hill
DT Nick Fairley
LB’s = 7
LB Justin Durant
LB Stephen Tulloch
LB DeAndre Levy
LB Bobby Carpenter
LB Ashlee Palmer
LB Isaiah Ekejiuba
LB Doug Hogue
CB’s = 6
CB Chris Houston
CB Eric Wright
CB Alphonso Smith
CB Nathan Vasher
CB Aaron Berry
CB Brandon McDonald
S’s = 5
S Louis Delmas
S Amari Spievey
S Erik Coleman
S Randy Phillips
S John Wendling
ST’s = 3
K Dave Rayner
P Nick Harris
LS Don Muhlbach
Some of my decisions were based the fact we sucked last season with the back 7, and all of the injuries incurred last season, and all of the new faces on the team. We must have extras to start the season to see who fits, and for the possibility of injury.
Some of my decisions were based solely on money:
Cut – Maurice Morris $2.225M
Keep – Aaron Brown $557K
Cut – Jerome Felton $1.206M
Keep – Matt Clapp $382K
Cut – Tony Ugoh $1.507M
Keep – Jason Fox $567K
Cut – Andre Fluellen $1.282M
Keep – Sammie Lee Hill $651K
Cut – Hanson $2.82M
Keep – Rayner $1.282M
*Base Salary, allocation of signing bonus, and roster bonus included for total 2011 salaries
I could work with that
I would exchange Rashied Davis for D.Will though. Just my opinion.
by Dave Marshall on Aug 5, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am right there with you on that battle.
My 1st reasoning is D. Will only makes 722K and I believe Davis to be twice that.
My 2nd reasoning is from everything I have been reading is D. Will has been lighting it up in camp, and Davis’s career numbers are not good.
But up until today I would have said get rid of that D. Will bum
The other ones I have been thinking about:
Clapp Versus Felton
Leggett Versus McDonald
I guess those battle come down to "may the best man win"
some interesting camp battles for sure!
The Dis-Assembly Line - The unofficial, official name for the next best D-line in football.
I don't see McDonald beating out Leggett
unless your betting on Mo Leggs getting injured soon…
The Dis-Assembly Line - The unofficial, official name for the next best D-line in football.
Based on pure talent your right…
Leggett is better than McDonald for sure. No question about that. No one on this site will argue about that.
Here is the big problem. We have some tough cuts to make and most of these positional battles will come down to money. When I came up with my roster I started to add up all of the salaries and that is why on the bottom of my post I gave a few comparisons with figures.
I don’t want to lose some of these guys anymore than the next guy, but we must get under the cap. They have some work to do to make it happen, so tough choices will be made.
I understand your cap cuts, but why?
The Lions are under the cap right now by renegotiating some contracts. Mayhew has already said this. So there is no reason to make cap cuts unless you are going after somebody. I don’t think we are at this moment, at least not a free agent.
Of all the positions, the one we are hurting at right now is left tackle. But we do not have a clear prognosis for either Backus or Fox at this point. If they are both able to come back during the preseason then we would be fools to make any moves at all. If only one of them can return during preseason then the Lions may still be willing to roll with what they have and just expect one of the other tackles to step up. Jim Schwartz has already implied that is the case. The only way we make a move to get another starting tackle is if both Backus and Fox are not able to start the season and will go on PUP or IR.
The other scenario that would cause us to make cap cuts is when another team cuts a player we really want as a cap casualty. Then we might have to cut players to make room on our cap to get them. It is premature to assume such a move will happen. So it probably is not worthwhile to include it in your roster thinking at this time.
I'd like to see Clapp making the roster
Lions need some run blocking help. Move Felton to #3 RB spot and get rid Aaron Brown.
Not so Fast.......
Lets watch some preseason games first. There may very well be guys we don’t think much of that play their way onto this team and guys who are held in higher esteem who play their way off…it happens every year on every team..

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