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My Guess at the 53 Man...


QB Matthew Stafford
QB Shaun Hill
QB Drew Stanton

RB Jahvid Best
RB Mikel Leshoure
RB Maurice Morris

FB Jerome Felton

WR Calvin Johnson
WR Nate Burleson
WR Titus Young
WR Rashied Davis
WR Stefan Logan


TE Brandon Pettigrew
TE Tony Scheffler
TE Will Heller

OT Jeff Backus
OT Gosder Cherilus
OT Jason Fox
OT Corey Hilliard
OT Tony Ugoh

OG Rob Sims
OG Stephen Peterman
OG Donald Thomas

C Dominic Raiola
C Dylan Gandy


DE Cliff Avril
DE Kyle Vanden osch
DE Lawrence Jackson
DE Willie Young

DT Ndamukong Suh
DT Nick Fairley
DT Corey Williams
DT Sammie Hill
DT Andre Fluellen

LB DeAndre Levy
LB Stephen Tulloch
LB Justin Durant
LB Isaiah Ekejiuba
LB Ashlee Palmer
LB Doug Hogue

CB Alphonso Smith
CB Eric Wright
CB Nathan Vasher
CB Chris Houston
CB Maurice Leggett
CB Aaron Berry


S Louis Delmas
S Amari Spievey
S Erik Coleman
S John Wendling

K Dave Rayner
P Nick Harris

LS Don Muhlbach

 

 

Personally, I don't think we will carry 4 RB's and I think we will carry 6 LB's...but replacing Doug Houge with Aaron Brown is very possible.

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Missed Chris Houston

I’m guessing that was an accident.

by Chandra on Aug 4, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Shit! Ill edit it.

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dang, Pratt Gets Cut!

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hogue and Ekejiuba look questionable in camp, and might be goners.

So does Coleman. Leggett is a ???. Move Ugoh to OG. Hanson is in based on his camp. Add OC Dan Gerberry

by mikeyclaw on Aug 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Coleman is in there....

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I think hes the starter lol

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno.

I was just reiterating what I read from mikeyclaw, which I read as “Coleman looks questionable in camp too, so he might be a goner.”

Mikeyclaw can feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

Anyways, I see Spievey as the future, tbh. I like the way he balls. We’d have our little Polamalu/Reed combo going on; one ballhawk, one woodlayer.

by Mavyrk on Aug 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I agree

but if there are any stumbling blocks to Spievey’s shortened offseason, Coleman might start at first…

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spievey has been getting the first team reps with Delmas.

I suppose it is possible that Coleman could get cut. I would think that he can beat Randy Phillips for a spot, but who knows. We certainly will be cutting some people that are going to make us sad.

by TuffLynx on Aug 4, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

there will be cuts that make you go “huh?” But I just don’t see them cutting Coleman. He’s too much of a leader and teacher to help our very young backfield…

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by rames on Aug 5, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coleman isn't questionable

at least his job security isn’t, bank on it!

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why 5 DTs?

"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great

by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Eh, I just think they keep 7 lineman, and the DTs are better than the DE's...

Tons of rotation

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

He’s better than any of the DEs we have at that 5th spot right now ((doesn’t mean they won’t bring someone in though)

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like keeping the 5 DT's

Fluellen can play both DT or DE, and gives us lots of flexibility in our rotation. Also, Schwartz and Gunther have lined Suh up at DE at times, and keeping Fluellen gives us the depth to do things like that. If there’s one thing Schwartz likes, it’s position flexibility.

by GRLion on Aug 5, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

we will probably cut Fluellen and go four DTs.

by x$pcents IV on Aug 4, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id rather....

see them keep 4 DTs, 5 corners and 6 wideouts. That means fluellen gone, Vasher or Leggett gone, WR Ballard makes the team and Matt Clapp (opens holes and can pass block) makes the team and maybe felton gone. In the end its all on there camps.

"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great

by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Fluellen won't make it... i can't see keeping 5 DT over Ballard

I would rather have Mike Clapp over Felton but to be honest out of the full backs the best special teamer should make it.

I don’t see Leggett getting cut he has alot of special teams value.. where i think Vasher does get the axe. Only because he will be the last DB into the game after Houston, Wright, Smith and Berry…so don’t see Vashers value on special teams so he likely gets the axe..

by Shankdiddy on Aug 4, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing personnel....

against Felton but watched too many games where he missed key blocks in the run game. I agree he has value at special teams though.

"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great

by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

OOPs

missed key blocks and no run blocking, then he’ll fit right in. LOL

by rammer1 on Aug 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man, everyone is fricking gaga oer Ballard

I bet he doesn’t make the team… hes an old rookie with Raw talent, If he CANT make the team, he isnt even worth keeping on the practice squad.. too old to develop

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

how old is he?

"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great

by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody's going gaga over Ballard

He just is simply worth a look at the #5 WR spot. That’s all. And he is without a doubt favored to get it over Toone.

I forgot who said it and in what thread, but they were spot on when they said you could do A LOT worse with that 53rd roster spot than to give it to a legitamite Red Zone target.

by JWurm on Aug 4, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clapp's looking beastly

hope he shows he’s more reliable and a better blocker in the hole than Felton, cause that would be great!

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

You would rather keep a 26 year old project WR who’s done nothing but make a couple of impressive catches in practice over newly re-signed Fluellen, who is not only versatile but has actually proven to be productive in NFL games? Does that really make any kind of sense at all? I’m going with “no”.

by motown313 on Aug 5, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 WRs is a ton

when you have 3 very solid TEs and RBs that catch the ball alot…no need for WR 5 & 6 IMO

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

we should role with the 5th WR because of Logan…

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keeping Ballard was more of a personal preference.

"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great

by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Practice squad

I know there’s a lot of risk there, but I highly doubt the dude is ready in 5 weeks. He doesn’t have any real experience beat jams and is not quick at all (gains his speed from long strides) so he’ll need to work on getting off the line and running crisp routes. I like him as a prospect for sure, but more like in 2013…

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carpenter

will be on the 53 man because of his coverage skills and special teams play over Hogue. Plus, Hogue can be moved to the practice squad.

by Detroitfantc on Aug 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

The love fest with Ballard is mind boggling lol

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really

He is big reciever on a roster that looks like CJ and three midgets right now. And he has upside and a defineable NFL skill, which is more than I can say for Williams or Davis.

Will he make it? Probably not. But at least it’s an option that doesn’t involve retreading guys who’ve shown basically nothing in their careers as #4 WRs.

by AJSmitty on Aug 4, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rather have Ballard than D will

D will had his chance and stunk up the joint. Time to move on.

by Usmarine0341 on Aug 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing you didn't talent evaluate Jimmy Smith or he would have been cut...

….instead he went on to make a few pro bowls and played 8 more years… and Jacksonville picked him up at 28.

Point being that if he can play fine…if he can’t fine. But he looks really good and seems to be a special player…. i don’t see a single corner on our roster that can stop him in red zone situations…. so… isn’t that worth exploring?… isn’t that worth interest?… i say >> YES!

by Shankdiddy on Aug 4, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You somed it up bro!

"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion." ....Alexander The Great

by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

spell ckeck! "summed"

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by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spot on

Nothing Mind boggling about the attention Ballard is getting.

by JWurm on Aug 4, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

First off, Smith had turned 26 literally days before the Jags picked him up, I have no idea where you got that 28 number from.

Secondly, Smith was a beast in college and was a second round draft pick, so you can’t really compare the two. At all. True, Smith was also (barely) 26 when he went to the Jags, but he also had three NFL seasons under his belt already at that point.

Third, considering the supremely inferior competition that he faced in college, Ballard didn’t put up anywhere close to the numbers that he should/could have. His best game came in a game against Sacramento State, where he had 8 catches for 111 yards and one TD. That sounds nice, but you need to keep in mind that he was playing against Sacramento State, and if that’s the best he could do against very bad college competition, then I imagine he’s gonna have a hell of a time trying to deal with NFL secondaries.

I really, really want to like Ballard, and after a year on the practice squad maybe I will, but the realist in me is able to admit that if the best he can do is 111 yards against Sacramento State, then there’s little to no chance of him being able to do anything in the NFL anytime soon. Let’s give the dude a year or two to adjust to the pace of the NFL before we start slobbering over him.

by motown313 on Aug 5, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Some of the blame could fall on his QB though…especially if he wasn’t accurate.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Aug 5, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If ballard makes the roster...

The Lions would have to chop down the playbook for him. He would probably be used only on the goal line for two or three different routes or something like that. He has way too far to go in order to learn the offense and techniques that are expected of an NFL caliber player. So the only way he can make an impact is if the Lions really specialize him.

There are two HUGE problems with that. When he comes into the game the defense will know more or less what he is going to do. So his effectiveness becomes a matter of being able to execute at a high level. Since he was up against such inferior competition previously I am not sure he can actually do that.

The second problem is that you tie up a roster spot on a guy that is very limited in how he can help you. That just does not match the way that Schwartz likes to roll. He LOVES him some flexibility in his players.

I really see Ballard as a practice squad player as well. Sure, it is a risk. but if another team wants to claim him and carry him on their roster for the season then they can deal with having to coach him up and develop him into somebody that can contribute. Ballard really needs one year on a practice squad to develop enough to make an NFL roster.

by TuffLynx on Aug 6, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, so you are willing to toss away a guy like Carpenter that has and would contribute...

but keep a project player like Ballard that is likely to accomplish little to nothing in his first year. Interesting.

by TuffLynx on Aug 6, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody loves a big WR, Cap.

I’m not going to deny that he looks good in practice, but I likewise can’t understand the amount of infatuation that I’m seeing.

by motown313 on Aug 5, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Stefan Logan should be counted as the 4th HB

and then they keep either Stovall or Ballard as the 5th WR (to give them some size at WR outside of Calvin). And yes, Barbie Carpenter should definitely make the team. As far as which players they’d replace, it’s hard to say (maybe Flu, Hogue, Ekejiuba, Ugoh or Hilliard). I do give Leggett a good shot to make the team (in addition to the other 5 CBs) for his ability to back-up at cornerback AND safety, in addition to the special teams value

by Forward Down The Field on Aug 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

yea, adding bobby and ballard means cutting 2 guys

I think Ballard is basically like Bigfoot.. we will see if he is real, or if people just want him to be real.

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

Ballard is a big reason (literally) to get excited for the pre-season games.

Also, I forgot about Derrick Williams. I’m not a huge fan of his, but he’s been solid in camp so far, so I’d throw him in the mix with Stovall, Ballard, and Davis as a legit candidate for a WR spot.

by Forward Down The Field on Aug 4, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about?

So whatever happened to Toone at WR, I know that he was listed on the practice team most of the year and suffered with a injured foot the entire year. Anyone know if its better is he practicing, he was exciting to watch.

by rammer1 on Aug 4, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah!

I also forgot about Toone. I saw him at the open practice on Saturday and he was, indeed, practicing. He had a really ugly drop though, so I guess that’s why I forgot about him. He looked good fielding punts though, for whatever that’s worth.

by Forward Down The Field on Aug 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toone

is old news. He was last years big foot

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 5, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

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by CapitolLions on Aug 5, 2011 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe hes a practice guy, not a gamer. Worth finding out.

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by ajohns70 on Aug 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

well said! Ballard the man the myth is an interesting camp story at the least

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 5, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

right

Maurice Morris is done here. Logan will make the team as WR

by x$pcents IV on Aug 4, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the lions have cap proleams and derick willams and jerome felton and maybee jayson handson and maurice moris might be cut . yes the lions willask a few players to lowear thier contracts to get under the cap this year . and ithink the lions will get the cap they need to by thusday but if the lions lions gm want to have cap space to pick up players at the end of canmp those our the players i would cut .also most licke nick fareley will strart on the 4weack injuery list to start the year out so he mack e the roster but the lions can t use him till game 5 of the year so you will have extra roster spot in till then .

by kwfords on Aug 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

indeed

I think one of the top 51 earners will be gone by Friday afternoon for cap reasons. I’d like to think it’ll be Felton in a trade but it’s hard to say. They should be able to work some cap magic tho so it may not be necessary.
I fear you might be right about Fairley and the PuP :(

Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul

by Ee Oulo on Aug 5, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

My goodness

It’s tough to read your comment with all of those spelling errors. Not to be Commenter Clippy, but that’s atrocious.

yeah buddy!

by bighitter5 on Aug 5, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rayner over Hanson?!?

Personally I prefer it but everything I’m reading is saying it’s Hanson’s job to lose and he’s kicking great…

by Dave Marshall on Aug 4, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

kickoff distance

I think this helps the case for Hanson. He is probably a cap liability though.

by x$pcents IV on Aug 4, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the question with Hanson is not how he is kicking, he always kicks great.

It is more about whether his leg can hold up for the season. Even if Rayner is cut, he might end up on the roster later if Hanson goes down again. The injuries to Hanson’s knees the last two seasons may be an indication that all the kicking he has done is just wearing out his joints. Maybe it will be an ankle or a hip next time. As always, time will tell.

by TuffLynx on Aug 6, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you should factor in at least one cut that makes no sense to anyone

Those seem to happen every year. Like last year when we cut Cohen and kept Flu

by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Not with all that kung fu he is learning

I bet he does one of those haroken fireball things in a game.

by ATL Lion on Aug 5, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

I have to agree with $ that Flu should be feeling the pressure about now.

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 5, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any reason in specific? I thought harris was great last year, he was great at keeping the other team deep.

by Michael21 on Aug 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nick Harris is a weapon

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe there’s some frustration still from his hold on the suh F.G….That was harris correct?

by Michael21 on Aug 4, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, i think it was! Bastard!

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the first I've heard of it being a bad hold.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Aug 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard it a couple time’s but never held any stock in it.We all know what happened in that situation.

by Michael21 on Aug 4, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more inclined to believe Suh just shanked it.

He played, he was tired. That’s what happened. Harris has been nothing but solid for us. I am interested to see the new kid and how he stacks up though.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011

"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Aug 4, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I heard he looks good but i was reading harris pretty much has it in the bag.He’s pinning the 45 yarders pretty consistently right where he wants em’ so I’m positive the posistions his.I do like having a viable back-up though good vibes.

by Michael21 on Aug 4, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, it wasn't harris

Im just bullshitting

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by CapitolLions on Aug 4, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see you have Harris making your roster.

Is that because you believe he can beat out the new kid, or more that the new guy will be roster casualty? Personally, I love Harris, but he is getting older and makes a nice salary. I firmly believe he could become a cap casualty if the Donahue is any good. I haven’t heard anything about how he looks at camp though. If Harris’ salary is a non issue, punt for punt I think Harris is one of the best in the league at his craft. Not THE best, but I’d put him up there. I like his consistency and his holding skills.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Aug 4, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No reason specifically

Harris is solid but he isnt imo the most accurate and he doesn’t have the power some of the other punters have. He is far far from bad but I think we have room to improve that position.

by Usmarine0341 on Aug 4, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

All great point’s I just don’t think personally after last year he loses his place this season unless as leonuro said salary becomes an issue but i bet the new guy gives him a run for his money next season for sure.

by Michael21 on Aug 5, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I'd change is probably keep Hanson

but I understand the reason, and if we are having a hard time getting under the cap, he may be the main cap casualty. Good job!

A couple tough decisions in Carpenter and Phillips (but he’s still eligible for practice squad right!?). Hope the roster looks like this in a few weeks.

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd keep one more LB and one less CB

I’ll take Carpenter over Mo Leggs or Vasher.

Hanson v. Rayner is tough, I’m intruiged by the idea ob Ballard, and a FB other than Felton would be nice. But really all I’d for sure change is add Carpenter and drop a CB.

by AJSmitty on Aug 4, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

problem is

normally* CBs go down like flies, LB get dinged up a lot, but are still able to play decently…

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that

But Leggett and Vasher are no great shakes. An emergency street free agent would probably do as well. In fact, they did last year.

The guys Detroit pulled off the street to play LB? Shudder

Obviously a matter of personal preference though.

by AJSmitty on Aug 4, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

that did happen last year

credit to Mayhew. But as evidenced by our many years of futility at CB, that doesn’t happen all that often…I feel better about our LB depth given the nature and severity of injuries in general when comparing the two positions…

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

your'e right

While I don’t know Leggett very well, we did see a bit of McDonald last season. He was actually pretty good in the ST looks we saw. He has more upside as CB depth too.

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 5, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would have to disagree with you big time AJ smith:)

Legget was making major impressions in his first year and was pushing to start for KC… then he got hurt… then following year hurt again… Guns has a history with him because of his coverage skills and special teams value…. he ISN"T just a camp body.. that kid can acturally play ball

by Shankdiddy on Aug 5, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's good to know!

I’m a lot more eager to hear of how he’s doing then!!

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 5, 2011 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vasher's past his prime

so I don’t mind that cut. Mo Leggs might be a legitimate starting CB though (at least in the nickel) if he can stay healthy and get some experience…he’s that talented!

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

hah

based on what!?! Hope you’re right though!

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno.

I don’t often see Jim Schwartz glow about an acquisition that isn’t legit; especially a freaking seventh rounder.

by Mavyrk on Aug 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

practice squad?

he will be safe there I’m sure.

by x$pcents IV on Aug 4, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houge will be on

Practice squad. Carpenter will make the team

Thumbs up!

by GhostofLionspast on Aug 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

makes sense

except there’s no way Hogue doesn’t get poached. Unfortunately, a ST player will probably get the can (i.e. Isaiah Ekejiuba) – which I don’t agree with, I think ST is very important, especially when you have a real chance to be the best ST unit…but I don’t want to lose Hogue either and we need to groom a young LB or two to step into Durant or Tulloch’s role in a couple years…

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by rames on Aug 4, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that

He wont be the only LB on a PS. It sounds like he’s still struggling so as it stands he might be able to make it on PS I dont know. Somehow I think Culbreath would get snagged off PS before Hogue. All guess tho

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by Ee Oulo on Aug 5, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on most of your choices...

But something tells me that if we keep Felton it will be as a RB, and not as a FB, because we want a “true” FB there who is a beast at lead blocking. I see Clapp or Dial getting it and the other guy landing on the practice squad. I think Mikel Leshoure is capable of doing anything Felton did for us (short yardage, clock management) but much better and more versatile.

At WR, I could see us cutting Davis and having a guy like Michael Moore or possibly Maurice Stovall being our no.5 since they would add height. This is a tough call, as they may value Rashied Davis’ value on s/t’s and as a no.4/5 guy and overlook his size since we could have CJ, Pettigrew, and Scheffler in goal line looks. My gut tells me it may come down to Derrick Williams and Rashied Davis for a spot and Moore/Stovall for the other spot.

At LB, Carpenter is a lock to make the team and get a lot of looks in passing situations/as primary back up at OLB.

Besides that, I think Hanson for sure has the job. Before I went to training camp, I was on the Rayner bandwagon 100%. Seeing Hanson nail 50 yard FG’s, ones that could’ve made it from 55+, restored my faith in him. He is still a beast, and the only way he isn’t our guy is if gets hurt in camp again or the Lions are too afraid to lose Rayner, as he has a good ten+ years left, Hanson, not so much.

And some said they hope that Donahue replaces Harris, and this will not happen. At the same camp, Donahue looked like half the punter Harris is, and he failed with directional kicks as well as distance. Harris consistently booted his punts in the 45 yard range with good hang time and Donahue had ok hangtime, but distance wise we’re talking 30-35 yards tops. Harris is in the top ten as far as average and top 20 for punts inside the 20 for 2010. He also makes very few mistakes, which ultimately means he doesn’t hurt the team. Harris will be back, and hopefully has another good season.

by lions_sucker on Aug 4, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Couple of things for me

Great list but

Change Wendling to Randy Phillips. Wendling is ST only. Phillips has showed some good flashes at saftey

I’m not sure Felton dosen’t get cut for Clapp or Dial

Not sure I agree with only 3 RBs either

I am sure Carpenter will make the team somewere. Might get Isaiahs spot

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by The Profiler on Aug 4, 2011 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

"Wendling is ST only. Phillips has showed some good flashes at saftey"

But will Phillips actually be grabbing play as a safety? I’d rather dedicate a roster spot to a great special teamer, than to a depth role player.

by Mavyrk on Aug 4, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A case for Wendling

When he was called upon to play safety at the end of last year, he did not blow anyone’s mind with his skills. But he played solid and did not miss tackles. Phillips to practice squad, Wendling on the 53 man.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Aug 4, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wendling

was thought of as a special teams only guy on his previous team whoever it was. The reason he was cut from what I’ve read is that although he was excellent on kick coverage he was very bad on return teams because of poor blocking. I wonder if that is still a valid critique.

Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now

by Justan Oldfart on Aug 4, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good question.

I have no idea what his blocking skills look like on ST receiving. Hopefully someone will fill us in.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Aug 4, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You did a pretty nice job

Naturally there are some things I would have done differently, but they are all on the fringes of the team and that makes them highly subjective.

by TuffLynx on Aug 4, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems pretty good to me

It’s gonna be a tough cut period.

by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 5, 2011 3:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm

QB seems right, I don’t see us carrying 4 QB’s unless Stafford gets injured again.

RB I can buy into what you have.

FB ehhhhh not so sure there. Supposedly Felton is in a serious battle with Matt Clapp and honestly I am rooting for Clapp. I don’t care for Felton much after his play me or trade me comment last year.

I could also see Stfan Logan making the roster over Felton if they want to keep him for punt returns. The rule change really hurt his chances though as kick returns are about moot now.

On WR I disagree a bit here. I think Derrick Williams is going to seriously open some eyes this year. I expect him and Titus to battle it out for the 3-4 positions and I am not sure that Davis makes the roster.

I know that Stefan Logan is listed as a WR at times on the roster, but they use him like a RB so I put him with that group.

5th WR IMO is going to be an all out battle and I have no idea who makes it. Stovall and Davis are the likely choices but I would not rule Ballard out.

OT, I am not sure we keep 5 on the actual 53. Personally I expect them to PUP Backus or cut him.

on LB i expect Carpenter to make it and Ekejiuba to be the odd man out.

CB I expect the Lions to PUP Phonz, so you will see someone else get a shot somewhere on the roster, at least until week 6.

S is too hard to read if Phillips or Wendling makes it. A lot depends on if they keep ST gunners in other positions, like if they keep both Davis and Stovall. Then you might see them part ways with Wendling and go with the higher upside and positional value of Phillips.

On the ST kickers and LS I agree, Hanson will retire this year.

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by Evilsmurf on Aug 5, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

obviously you have some reason to think Backus is hurt more than they're saying

what’s the reason?

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by rames on Aug 5, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

PUP Smith just because they don't want to cut Leggitt, McDonald, or Vasher

or what? Because his foot should be totally fine come week 1…

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by rames on Aug 5, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

CB Alphonso Smith (foot) removed his walking cast Friday and attended practice in cleats. Smith’s progress is good news on the injury front for Detroit as they look to create a legitimate CB competition in camp. Lions RapidReports

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by rames on Aug 5, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they will get away with it unless he has complications to his injury.

H has already taken off his boot and he is probably three weeks from practicing. I think a player has to be examined by a league approved doctor to be put on PUP or IR. So if he is not really hurt, I doubt the league would allow it. If Phonz doesn’t make the cut then Mayhew is going to have to wave his magic wand and get him traded for something.

by TuffLynx on Aug 6, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think

that the Lions would IR Backus rather than cut him if he can’t play, and ask him to renegotiate his contract if his replacement does well. If they think he would be ready to play by week seven then they would PUP him instead.

by TuffLynx on Aug 6, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It IS tough cuts

It’s nice not to be waiting on New England or Green Bay rejects to fill one or two of the many holes on the roster with mediocre players like previous years. It all feels so much better!!!
Go Lions!!!

by Dave Marshall on Aug 5, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

What's also nice

is that some of our cuts will be quickly picked up by someone else this year.

Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now

by Justan Oldfart on Aug 6, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

My 2011 Lions Team

QB’s = 3
QB Matthew Stafford
QB Shaun Hill
QB Drew Stanton

RB’s = 3
RB Jahvid Best
RB Mikel Leshoure
RB Aaron Brown

FB’s = 1
FB Matt Clapp

WR’s = 5
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Nate Burleson
WR Titus Young
WR Derrick Williams
WR Stefan Logan

TE’s = 3
TE Brandon Pettigrew
TE Tony Scheffler
TE Will Heller

OT’s = 4
OT Jeff Backus
OT Gosder Cherilus
OT Jason Fox
OT Corey Hilliard
 
OG’s =3
OG Rob Sims
OG Stephen Peterman
OG Donald Thomas

C’s =2
C Dominic Raiola
C Dylan Gandy

DE’s = 4
DE Cliff Avril
DE Kyle Vanden Bosch
DE Lawrence Jackson
DE Willie Young

DT’s = 4
DT Ndamukong Suh
DT Corey Williams
DT Sammie Hill
DT Nick Fairley

LB’s = 7
LB Justin Durant
LB Stephen Tulloch
LB DeAndre Levy
LB Bobby Carpenter
LB Ashlee Palmer
LB Isaiah Ekejiuba
LB Doug Hogue

CB’s = 6
CB Chris Houston
CB Eric Wright
CB Alphonso Smith
CB Nathan Vasher
CB Aaron Berry
CB Brandon McDonald

S’s = 5
S Louis Delmas
S Amari Spievey
S Erik Coleman
S Randy Phillips
S John Wendling

ST’s = 3
K Dave Rayner
P Nick Harris
LS Don Muhlbach

Some of my decisions were based the fact we sucked last season with the back 7, and all of the injuries incurred last season, and all of the new faces on the team. We must have extras to start the season to see who fits, and for the possibility of injury.

Some of my decisions were based solely on money:
Cut – Maurice Morris $2.225M
Keep – Aaron Brown $557K

Cut – Jerome Felton $1.206M
Keep – Matt Clapp $382K

Cut – Tony Ugoh $1.507M
Keep – Jason Fox $567K

Cut – Andre Fluellen $1.282M
Keep – Sammie Lee Hill $651K

Cut – Hanson $2.82M
Keep – Rayner $1.282M

*Base Salary, allocation of signing bonus, and roster bonus included for total 2011 salaries

by Millen_Free on Aug 5, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I could work with that

I would exchange Rashied Davis for D.Will though. Just my opinion.

by Dave Marshall on Aug 5, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am right there with you on that battle.

My 1st reasoning is D. Will only makes 722K and I believe Davis to be twice that.
My 2nd reasoning is from everything I have been reading is D. Will has been lighting it up in camp, and Davis’s career numbers are not good.
But up until today I would have said get rid of that D. Will bum

The other ones I have been thinking about:
Clapp Versus Felton
Leggett Versus McDonald
I guess those battle come down to "may the best man win"

by Millen_Free on Aug 5, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

some interesting camp battles for sure!

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by rames on Aug 5, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see McDonald beating out Leggett

unless your betting on Mo Leggs getting injured soon…

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by rames on Aug 5, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on pure talent your right…

Leggett is better than McDonald for sure. No question about that. No one on this site will argue about that.

Here is the big problem. We have some tough cuts to make and most of these positional battles will come down to money. When I came up with my roster I started to add up all of the salaries and that is why on the bottom of my post I gave a few comparisons with figures.

I don’t want to lose some of these guys anymore than the next guy, but we must get under the cap. They have some work to do to make it happen, so tough choices will be made.

by Millen_Free on Aug 5, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your cap cuts, but why?

The Lions are under the cap right now by renegotiating some contracts. Mayhew has already said this. So there is no reason to make cap cuts unless you are going after somebody. I don’t think we are at this moment, at least not a free agent.

Of all the positions, the one we are hurting at right now is left tackle. But we do not have a clear prognosis for either Backus or Fox at this point. If they are both able to come back during the preseason then we would be fools to make any moves at all. If only one of them can return during preseason then the Lions may still be willing to roll with what they have and just expect one of the other tackles to step up. Jim Schwartz has already implied that is the case. The only way we make a move to get another starting tackle is if both Backus and Fox are not able to start the season and will go on PUP or IR.

The other scenario that would cause us to make cap cuts is when another team cuts a player we really want as a cap casualty. Then we might have to cut players to make room on our cap to get them. It is premature to assume such a move will happen. So it probably is not worthwhile to include it in your roster thinking at this time.

by TuffLynx on Aug 6, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Clapp making the roster

 Lions need some run blocking help. Move Felton to #3 RB spot and get rid Aaron Brown.

by Pedro Ferreira on Aug 6, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Not so Fast.......

 Lets watch some preseason games first. There may very well be guys we don’t think much of that play their way onto this team and guys who are held in higher esteem who play their way off…it happens every year on every team..

by Maxha on Aug 9, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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