Will Lions Offensive Tackles Be Offensive in 2011?
Every year hope springs upon us as our gridiron heroes take the field for training camp. This year has been more hopeful than most for the Detroit Lions. Martin Mayhew has filled in many of the holes that the Lions had on their roster and the team looks more complete than it has been for at least a decade.
The problem with hope is that reality can overtake our enthusiasm as cracks appear in the foundation that we believed to be solid. The biggest crack in the Lions foundation so far this season is at the offensive tackle positions. Injuries have caused the depth at offensive tackle to become much thinner than hoped. Jeff Backus partially tore a pectoral muscle some time during the summer and Gosder Cherilus is still recovering from microfracture surgery. Now we find out that Jason Fox has hurt his foot during practice on Saturday.
We know the injury to Jeff Backus took place sometime between June 10th and July 20th. Backus attended the final player run workouts that concluded on June 10th. At that time he appeared to be participating in all of the drills. On July 20th, Dave Birkett broke the news about Backus' injury in the Detroit Free Press.
It is difficult to estimate the recovery time for Backus, but it is encouraging that Backus did not need surgery. Another positive is that Backus does not have his arm in a sling. If he doesn't need a sling then the doctors do not see a need to prevent his arm from putting stress on his pectoral muscle. That is a strong indication that the tear is fairly minor and may require only a short recovery time. Backus might be back in action before the preseason is over, or very early in the regular season.
The injury to Cherilus is harder to predict. Microfracture knee surgery, as Cherilus had, is notoriously unpredictable both in terms of recovery time and recovery amount. It may be possible that Cherilus will never be able to play football again. It may also be possible that he will recover completely in a short time. We will find out fairly soon. Cherilus tried to participate in drills during Saturday's practice but he had to stop
"He’s tight up in his hips and he was unable to do it," said Head Coach Jim Schwartz. "We have an off day tomorrow, (trying to) get him moving a little bit today. Hopefully get him back on Monday full speed."
The good news is that we can get a read on Cherilus over the next week and see how he responds. The bad news is that anything could happen. Certainly, the Lions are looking for him to make progress in his recovery and be ready to start the regular season. Having Cherilus return to the lineup would be a substantial boost to the depth available at the position. It would free Corey Hilliard to try filling in at left tackle.
The injury to Jason Fox was a real setback since he was slated to fill in for Backus. Fox left practice in a walking boot with what is reported to be a mid-foot injury. Jim Schwartz said...
"Jason was getting a lot of reps out there and was doing very well. Hopefully we get good news on him and it won’t be too long."
The real impact of these injuries on the Lions is yet to be determined. It is still possible that the impact will be minor. Jason Fox could have a minor injury and return quickly, Jeff Backus could recover in time for the regular season, and Gosder Cherilus could respond well when he starts practicing. This would allow the Lions to start the regular season with all of their offensive tackles in place and the preseason injuries will quickly be forgotten.
With Fox going down the left tackle position becomes a real question for the Lions in the short term. The players that will have to step up and fill the void for now are Corey Hilliard, Tony Ugoh, and Johnny Culbreath.
Corey Hilliard played some left tackle for the Lions in the 2010 preseason and looked over-matched. If he is going to be the answer to fill in for Backus and Fox, he will have to raise his game over what we saw in 2010. Hilliard does have the ability to serve as a right tackle. He filled in on thw right side capably when Cherilus went on injured reserve last season.
Tony Ugoh is a bit of a wild card. He has pro experience as a starting left tackle with the Colts, who drafted him in the second round. The Colts were not satisfied with his play and he was eventually replaced by Charlie Johnson.
When Ugoh was released by the Colts, he was waived/injured. Colts coach, Jim Caldwell, indicated that an injury in training camp was a big factor in the release. Ugoh was signed by the Lions several months later, when concerns over the knee injury to Gosder Cherilus caused the Lions to seek insurance at the position. Ugoh was never put on the active roster during the 2010 season for the Lions.
This is an opportunity for Tony Ugoh to make an impression on the coaches and resurrect his career. It was pobably the only way he was going to get a significant number or reps, so it is up to Ugoh to raise his game and make the coaches believe he can do the job. Since he played as a starting left tackle before he has some idea what it requires. It would be a huge boost to the Lions offensive line if Ugoh could rise to the occasion.
Johnny Culbreath is suffering from the same problems that all of the rookies are experiencing this season. They did not get a rookie camp or OTAs to help learn the Lions system. So they are struggling to play catch-up now. Culbreath was considered to be a long term project when the Lions drafted him and nothing has happened in camp to change that. If Culbreath is going to step up and take a starting position it would be an unlikely and meteoric rise for the rookie.
Given the situation that the Lions are in, we could see another player brought in to compete at the offensive tackle positions. The problem is that a quality free agent like Jared Gaither would cost the Lions a substantial salary offer to get them under contract. In order to compensate, the Lions would be forced to cut some salaries in order to fit Gaither under the cap. That means that players would have to be released that the Lions probably prefer to keep.
It is doubtful that Martin Mayhew is willing to take drastic steps to shore up the offensive tackles until the Lions know more about the recovery schedule of their injured players. The Lions will not sign an expensive free agent, or make a trade, unless they are going to be without both Backus and Fox well into the regular season.
For now it is going to be a waiting game for the Lions and their fans. It is going to be uncomfortable and full of angst and anticipation. Mayhew has a track record as a patient man and he will not make a panic move. He will wait until he has the information to determine how the injuries will impact the regular season. Until then everybody will just be keeping their fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
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If the Lions can make 7 million disappear in "bonus reclassifying" accounting mumbojumbo
I have no doubt they’d be able to find a few more million for another OT like Gaither if need be without cutting anyone.
scratch that...
Looks like the Raiders didn’t have the money to sign him.
by CLF on Aug 8, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Tuff, you sure Corey went in for Jeff?
I sure dont ever remember seeing Corey at left tackle. I wouldnt quite bet on it but I dont believe Backus missed a play last season. I would also dispute that Corey was ever ‘overmatched’ in any of the games he went in after Gos went on IR. He sure enough picked up a couple of stupid penalties but we pass blocked well and ran the ball pretty good with Corey in. We also won every game he started.
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
He played LT mostly in preseason
Initially in camp, the right tackle spot was being fought out by Cherilus and jansen last season and the Lions played Hilliard as the backup for Backus at left tackle.
Yes, you are right that he never looked overmatched at RT when he went in for Gosder.
My impression of him at left tackle is entirely based on what I saw of him from preseason.
Here is some documentation for you...
It’s not a lot, but it is the play I rmember from our own game thread here on PoD
http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/8/21/1635533/nfl-preseason-lions-at-broncos
Go down to DrewsLions comment at 10:57
I had no idea you were going all the way back to the preseason
my bad
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 7, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Lions' starters at OT in 2011 will be...
LT – Damario Ballard
RT – Preston Dial
No, but they could free-up some cap space to pursue someone like Jared Gaither by releasing Gosder. I certainly don’t think Gaither is just looking to be an insurance policy for a team, but rather a full-time starter. And if it appears that Gosder may be struggling with this injury long-term, if not permanently, then they might just have to cut ties with him… a la Ko Simpson. The Lions went through this last year with Simpson, so they know how uncertain the recovery process from micro-fracture surgery can be, and it appears that Simpson might be an example of someone who had the surgery, never quite fully recovered, and now may never play pro football again (which it appears he hasn’t since the Lions released him about a year ago). If they pursue a starting-caliber tackle like Gaither, it may have to be as a long-term replacement for Gosder, with possible scenarios for 2011 being anywhere from Backus at LT & Gaither at RT, to Gaither at LT & Hilliard at RT.
by Forward Down The Field on Aug 7, 2011 4:57 AM EDT reply actions
There is a possibility that Mayhew will make a move for somebody
I am just saying that he won’t do it until he has a better read on the prognosis for the injury to Fox and Cherilus. I think he already knows what is expected with Backus. If it turns out that Fox will be back in a few days and Cherilus makes a good recovery, then I doubt he will make any move. We should know more on Monday about Fox and by the end of next week on Cherilus.
I actually do not think the Lions will go after Gaither, though I certainly could be wrong. I think that Mayhew will trade for another player rather than sign a free agent because he might be able to trade depth for depth and come out relatively even on the cap.
I'd agree that Mayhew would probably prefer to that.
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I'd like to add
something but you’ve covered it all Tuff. Good post.
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
I am really getting sick of all the Gaither love in Lions land. Shut up!
He’s a bum who couldn’t pass a phisical for the Raiders.
He’s a cancer on a team who claims to have a bad back as a result of the team (Ravens) doctor’s mishandling.
He held out until the eleventh hour in 2010, then never played a snap. Gaither the “team” player sulked on the bench while his agent tried to draw Bilichik into a pissing contest.
In 2009, Gaither sucked so bad that he lost his job not once, but twice, to rookies no less.
Gaither lovers are naive. Shut the eff up until you do some homework. You can start by asking Ravens fans what they think if you are willing to receive the flaming of your life. You are too lazy and ignorant to do that.
by mikeyclaw on Aug 7, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah but
what do you really think? :))
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
by Justan Oldfart on Aug 7, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot to add he's constantly hurt
Not sure why people go gaga over the guy?
OK, now that I've put my Gaither hating soapbox away, let's talk Hilliard.
Hilliard did get some looks at LT last year but was even more lost than Fox. Hilliard came in when Gos went down and did a meh job. Too many penalties for jumping the count and a few whiff blocks.
Hilliard is going through normal growing pains for an OT. Nothing more, and nothing less.
He’ll be OK as a RT/RG depth player who will challenge for a starting assignment in 2012.
How has Donald Thomas been doing in practice Mikey?
Or has anyone else been standing out worthy of a starting position? Borderline starting position if equal with the current starter?
Like how about at center? I can’t believe Raiola is just a lock on that position without challenge.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Thomas was getting 2nd team reps, but looks to be backsliding a bit.
He had a false start Saturday, and missed a blitz pickup. On another occasion, Thomas missed a lick that I didn’t see. O-Line coach George Yarno saw it, and it’s a good thing Yarno didn’t have a gun.
I’ll get more info on Monday.
LOL, I was waiting for that shoe to drop Mikey
I am not sold on Gaither either, for the very reasons you mentioned. But he is about the only “starting caliber” player left in free agency. So I mentioned him even though he is not really the answer in my mind.
Possible trade??
O-line is a worry and it seems that is the only thing left to be “mayhew’d” …. I am going to put this out there and will accept the beating that is coming…
What about a trade involving Burleson to attempt to get a quality starter from somewhere? (assuming that there is some confidence in Titus after some time in camp and Dwill shows he is interested in playing football… which he seems to be doing)
Just a thought…
Trading Burleson is probably not in the Lions plans...
but I understand what you are saying. When Burleson was signed, Schwartz wanted him for more than just what he brings to the field. He is a leader. He pushes other players to be better and yaps a lot to help motivate guys. He is usually the guy that gives the pregame speech on the field to fire up the team. You may have seen his “Play 60 minutes” speech on the Den NFL video. But if the Lions get desperate, strange things could happen.
Anyone is ok to trade really
depending on the value received. That being said, outside of draft day trades are not commen in the NFL.
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
Got a question for you Mikey
Who in camp of the young players have impressed or suprised you the most ? I am thinking of the UFA, rookies and young guys who did not get much playing time last year like Berry and so on.
I agree that rtrades are not common.
I just feel that there is not an answer available in free agency at this point. If the Lions choose to sign a free agent OT it is probably somebody that is yet to be cut. Given the limited choices available, I feel that Mayhew is just as likely to seek a trade if he feels the need to bolster the offensive tackles.
I agree Tuff
My comment was intended to be a reply to Lions2011. If he does seek a trade it’s anybody’s guess who the targeted player will be and who will be offered in return at this point.
Ah but I was so much older then and younger than right now
by Justan Oldfart on Aug 7, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just amazed......
That they can’t find a diamond in the rough. A reclimation[sp] project that feels slighted and steps up to produce at draft day projections.
We have brought in countless bodies now without producing a serviceable O-line player……so far
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on Aug 7, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Your right ..
Mayhew always seems to at least find some servicable backups or starters to at least bridge the gap between the now and a future draft pick. It seems we rarely win out on the O-Line in any, way, shape or form.
It's such a stuggle for that line.
Is it Yarno not being able to coach em up? Why can’t we find a mauler to run behind?
Is it Dom bringing the whole unit down?
I just don’t know.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on Aug 7, 2011 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how would you know that?
Hilliard got some time and if he improved, I’d say he classifies. We haven’t seen Ugoh or Thomas play to even know that…
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Did you miss the.....
" so far"…..on my post?
How about “up to this point”?….same thing, but do feel better now?
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by delusional on Aug 7, 2011 9:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the injuries will have little overall impact
I think both Backus and Gosder will be good to go for the season. Fox may be out a little longer, but I think he’s absence can be negotiated by someone like Hilliard.
agreed
My take is that they will both be good to go for Game 1. I am more nervous about Cherilus but Schwartz’s comment was actually pretty reassuring suggesting there was hope that he would be full speed by Monday. If it were serious, I doubt he’d be saying that. Usually, when it is serious, he says nothing about it.

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