Detroit Lions Sign Jerome Harrison, Mike Bell
by Sean Yuille on Aug 9, 2011 9:43 AM EDT
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The Detroit Lions have decided to bring in two running backs as insurance after losing Mikel Leshoure for the season. The team announced on Tuesday morning that it signed both Jerome Harrison and Mike Bell, who were actually traded for each other by the Eagles and Browns last season.
Harrison grew up in Kalamazoo, Michigan, and went to Washington State. He entered the league as a fifth-round draft pick in 2006 and spent the first four full years of his career in Cleveland. His best season with the Browns came in 2009 when he rushed for 862 yards and five touchdowns on 194 attempts. He also had 220 yards receiving and two receiving touchdowns that year.
Harrison was traded to Philadelphia last October for Bell. With the Eagles Harrison rushed for 239 yards and one touchdown in eight games, and Bell rushed for only 71 yards in 11 games for the Browns. Before being dealt to Cleveland, Bell gained only 28 yards in five games for Philadelphia. Prior to signing with the Eagles, Bell played for the Broncos and Saints. His best season came in 2006 -- his rookie year -- when he gained 677 yards and had eight touchdowns on 157 carries. He also picked up 158 receiving yards that season.
To make room on the roster for these two players, the Lions released fullback Preston Dial and waived/injured cornerback Maurice Leggett.
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Is Caleb King worth a 7th rnd supplemental draft bid?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/7/11/2270632/nfl-supplemental-draft-caleb-king-georgia-football
Expectations don't produce!
Nope.
Don’t get me wrong, I love them Dawgs, but Caleb is not worth giving up a draft pick for. Sure, bring him in as a UDFA but I wouldn’t give anything up for him.
He showed up at UGA but he is not flashy or super talented. He was somewhat dependable, but he’s got a little ways to go before he’s gonna make anybody’s final 53.
"Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live it's whole life believing that it is stupid"
-Albert Einstein
Harrison ran for a club-record...
286 yards in ONE GAME! That’s no fluke, fellas. He’s going to fill in juuuuust fine for Mikel….
by Gym Schwartz on Aug 9, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
286 yards in ONE GAME! That’s no fluke, fellas.
fluke /flook/ Noun
1. Unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck.
by CLF on Aug 9, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
But how many shitty running backs have 200 yard-plus games?
If you’ve had the misfortune of watching as many Browns games as I have, you’ve seen that this guy is really talented.
I like Harrison
I really do. He saved me one year in fantasy. I started him for his 286 yard game. I am stoked we got him. I don’t think I could run 286 yards in a game even if the other team was asleep.
I am just saying that when your YPG is 66 and you have a 286 yard game, that is pretty much the definition of a fluke. Just poking fun, nothing untoward meant by it.
kinda like...
a baseball player called up for first mlb game hits for a cycle or 2 homeruns and u never hear of him again
Or like Timmy Smith in Super Bowl XXII.
I like the Jerome Harrison signing. I really do. But the Chiefs rush defense in 2009 was pretty awful.
Not who had in mind but both are worth a look....
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by SmittyJ on Aug 9, 2011 9:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mike Bell sucks, but Jerome Harris is really underrated. It’s weird that he’s never gotten a shot to be a starting back, because the guy has produced when he’s had the chance.
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Huh!
Where’s our bruiser? Bell’s big enough but the worst of the two. Harrison’s small and not that change of pace to Best that we need.
I really have to keep saying over and over in my head,
“trust in the Schwartz/mayhew”. It’s a mantra that is keeping me somewhat sane.
Expectations don't produce!
Who needs a change of pace? If a guy is effective, that’s all that matters. Harrison has been effective when he’s had the chance to play.
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Who needs a change of pace?
Just about every succesful RB tandem has consisted of a pounder and a speed dude.
You may be right. We’ll see I guess.
Expectations don't produce!
I don’t really think that’s the case in the modern NFL anymore… I’ll two effective, interchangeable backs any day.
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Where's the stat?
How about 2.1. That’s his yards per rush last year.
How about 5? The number of teams he’s been on in 6 years.
LOL. You can look this stuff up yourself if you like… I don’t see why you’d get all homer defensive about a guy your team just signed, but oh well. If you’re going to get all homer defensive about anyone, do it about Harrison. He’s actually good.
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calm down
he just wanted some reassurance…(and probably a fight) ;)
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Bell
2006-4.3YPC – 677 yards
2009-3.8 654 yards
If your not the feature back you won’t get alot of carries thus not alot of yard per carries, what I was looking at Harrison has only had 1 good half season and Bell has been a change of pace back now twice and gave those teams decent yards.
But what you didn’t note is that Bell actually got more carries than any other RB on the Saints in 2009. However, while Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush both rushed for over 5 yards per carry that year, Bell was below four…
But yeah, he had that one pretty good half year or so five or six years ago in Denver….
Forget about Mike Bell. Jerome Harrison is easily the better player. KC Joyner had an interesting comparison between the two.
“The limited amount of evidence last year says that Harrison is by far the better runner,” Joyner writes via e-mail. "He gained 260 yards on 29 plays with good blocking (roughly defined as when the offense prevents the defense from doing anything to disrupt a running play). That equates to a 9.0 good blocking yards per attempt (GBYPA) total, which is extremely good (anything above 7 is considered well above average). Bell fared nowhere near as well, as he gained only 21 yards on 92 good blocking plays, or a 4.4 GBYPA.
“Their totals were much closer in 2009, a season where they had a much larger sample size. Harrison had a 5.6 GBYPA on 127 good blocking rushes, while Bell countered with a 5.3 GBYPA on 98 good blocking plays. Add it all up and it shows that Harrison is the more consistent ground gainer of the two.”
Scouts inc did too
“Harrison is the much better player of the two,” Williamson said via e-mail. “He isn’t what they are looking for — as you alluded to, they need the pounder to complement [Jahvid] Best. But Harrison is a quality all-around option who can at least lighten Best’s load, while also factoring in in the passing game. Bell doesn’t excite me at all, but he is physical and can be used in short yardage situations.”
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Good blocking yards per attempt...
SHEESH!, What will they think of next!????
Barry would have doubled Peyton’s record….lol… with the help of that stat!
by CLF on Aug 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Love it
Harrison is who I wanted all along. His numbers get skewed because he rarely saw consistent action being stuck behind Jamaal Lewis and then Peyton Hillis. From Bill Barnwell’s free agency preview:
Jerome Harrison has done nothing but produce. In 2009, after blowing away Jamal Lewis’ numbers as the primary backup in Cleveland, the Browns tried him out for five games as the primary back. He picked up 734 yards on 151 carries in those games (4.9 yards per carry), scoring five times. Eric Mangini was apparently underwhelmed, and the franchise drafted Montario Hardesty in the second round while acquiring Peyton Hillis in a trade with the Broncos. Hillis got the job after Harrison fumbled against the Chiefs in Week 2, and Harrison ended up getting dealt to the Eagles. In his two games with significant action as an Eagle, he gained 208 rushing yards on 20 carries. Someone give this guy a job already.
He also had a game with over 280 yards rushing for Cleveland. That’s right, ONE GAME. He’s not the bruiser LeShoure is, but he can really play. Bell has size and some experience at FB, he could stick for short yardage purposes and might even push Felton.
I meant it looks like Sean referred to Bell as Brown a couple of times
As in Mike Brown, perhaps?
by Forward Down The Field on Aug 9, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope his play doesn't smell
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if he does ill give him hell
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ya, it's probably too early to tell
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I think Mo Mo and Harrison have something in common
Both don’t make you jump up and say “whooo!” and both have measureables that underwhelm,.
But both also have a knack for making the most out of their opportunities. That is who I like to see on the field (that is if we don’t have a true star to put out there).
I see us keeping Harrison and MoMo. Bell is out.
momo is being paid to much
good chance harrison was a lions fan growing up so might try harder here as well
RIP KURTIS CHAIVRE
He is being paid too much
But he knows our offense and he always did pretty good for us on the field.
I like Harrison also. I am not big on Bell, he seemed to be a product of the Bronco xone blocking scheme rather than a good runner.
agreed
I’m surprised we havent’ heard of him restructuring the contract to stay here
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Harrison
Good pick up on him, not sold on Bell. Any chance we could take the the Georgia back Caleb King in the supplmental?
I'm just glad we didn't pick up Tikie Barber!
Jerome will be a great addition to this team. Even though he is already 28 years old he only had one season where he had more than 40 rushes, meaning he still has plenty of tread on his tires. I don’t see Mike Bell being anything more than insurance in case the achilles bug bites again! GO LIONS!
Did you see who we are getting for Pre-season games?
Yeah we need Tiki.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Caleb King
Just looked at his stats- 5’11" 212, 1300 yds 13TDs for Georgia. Was a late round draft grade.
I brought up King yesterday in the hope of getting some opinions on him
but I didn’t get much feedback. I don’t know much about him but I am still curious if he is someone the Lions should investigate.
by Forward Down The Field on Aug 9, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Like it
He got the boot for academic reasons. He was going to split carries with a freshman this year, but only because the freshman is some all-world 5 star stud. He always did well with the chances he had, but he also had some bad luck (sat behind Moreno, broken jaw early in his first starting season, never learned to read or write, etc.)
Lol!!!
That is great “learn to read or write”.
How a top player at a SEC football mill can't make the grades is unfathomable
They have the easiest classes and the best tutors. Even Micheal Oher got a degree from an SEC school and that guy (if you read the book) is pretty much retarded.
I would not say retarded
Say all you want, but the dude basically roamed the streets. Had no parents or help in school. I would say socially inept and had a major learning curb tovercome. He had a tutor and even with all this passed. I think it shows that King either did not care enough about grades or might have a learning disability. That can be a red flag if it is the, I can do what I want. I am a football player so you should GIVE me the grades additude.
Hyperbole
But I would bet you all my pennies if Oher went to Ole Miss and wasn’t on the football team A) he wouldn’t have gotten into ole miss and B) he would have flunked out as fast as they flunk people. The only way he got the degree is he was a football player and they did everything they could to make him academically eligible. UGA most likely did the same for king, but King couldn’t make it. Yeah, that should probably be a red flag for King.
PS- I finished Oher’s book last week and the whole time I was thinking that there is no way this should be allowed by the NCAA. A rich white booster takes in a homeless black teen (who happens to be a football prodigy) who is playing at his kids private school and then has him play at his alma mater (where he pulls a check by announcing games). How they investigated this and did not throw the book at them is beyond me. I read the book that is supposed to explain why it was a story of love and I came away thinking it was dirty. I mean, they had a whole section about how he took these online BYU classes to get his grades up for college and they admitted that it was pretty much a scam where he got all As in those courses when he couldn’t make a D in the same course at his school. Riiiiight.
Yeah..
I can’t hold it against the guy personally.. but if Oher hadn’t been lucky enough to become an ‘investment’ due to his tangibles, he would probably be mopping floors at a seedy truck-stop/peepshow in Memphis right now.
He never would have made it into school, let alone make it through, without special consideration due to his athletic ability.
Then again, I feel that way about a fair percentage of professional athletes, so maybe I’m just jealous that I didn’t get a free ride and wasn’t graced with the natural athleticism needed to make a living playing games for exorbitant amounts of money. ;)
I'll take Harrison please
The three games he lit it up two years ago, they just pounded him. They’d run the same run play like 8 times in the same possesion.
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by StaffordSuperBowlMVP on Aug 9, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
I think Aaron Brown shows up this year.
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by StaffordSuperBowlMVP on Aug 9, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
If he makes the cut
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by Twincities88 on Aug 9, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
In Mayhew I Trust
Don't let my profile name fool you. My heart is, and always has been, with the Detroit Lions.
Really like Harrison
Not sure on Bell
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Good job Mayhew
I really wanted Harrison once Mikel went down.
Yeah, it seemed like we couldn't shake him
He would be cut and picked back up like 10 times in a season.
Oh yeah
That guy.
they both seemed to hang around longer than they should have. The benefits of a team like we had in 2008.
Wow 'Brick' Cason
Havent thought about that name in a while.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Aug 9, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank GOD...
We didn’t even think of talking to Cason…lol
If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes
That would only happen
if Millen was still running the show.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
Mike Bell's YPC numbers are really ugly
And Harrison’s are really, really solid. Unfortunately, Bell is the one with the skill-set closer to what the Lions are looking for in that spot.
by Forward Down The Field on Aug 9, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
But
Mike Bell as played mostley FB in his career so that means short yardage runs. He rarely had a FB in front of him when he was running with the ball
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"In Mayhew we trust"
Thank you Kris Draper and Chris Osgood for all the memories
When you are an ineffective blocker for Peyton Hillis—you gotta go.
Bell looks like a camp rental body.
Sorry only so much sarcasm you can express with …and laughter.I’m definitely upset about leshoure but hey harrison is a decent pick-up.Like i saw below somewhere at least it will add some more competition in camp.Dont take it as me thinking leshoure for harrison or bell is even close to even just better than what couldve been made of the situation.
Anyone want to talk about making a QB into a RB?
Pryor is big enough. We could have him be our short yardage back and add in some wildcat stuff.
I would like to see that
WildCat stuff in Detriot. Execpt Pryor going to Detriot might not be the best thing being so close to Ann Arbor
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Thank you Kris Draper and Chris Osgood for all the memories
I don't know if the wildcat really works anymore
It seems like everyone knows how to stop it now.
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 9, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah your probably right
but i would like to see Pryor in it because he can run and throw(not throw and run)
maybe we can get trickey with it
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"In Mayhew we trust"
Thank you Kris Draper and Chris Osgood for all the memories
its not that i think it wont work,
but rather, it became VERY one dimensional. it doesnt have to be.
Please NO to Pryor unless it's Richard
We have too many car dealerships in Detroit and tatoo artists for Pryor to be safe from his own evil’s. Jees all you would see on the sidelines is every car dealer from West Branch to Ohio, and their brothers.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Not getting Ricky Williams
was a blessing in disguise. I’d rather have Harrison ANY DAY.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
I love Ricky
I got one of his jerseys after he left Miami for pot. They were being sold off at like $25 and I respected that he loved pot so much he would walk away from millions. Of course, like any good pot head, he didn’t plan it out well and realized he didn’t save any cash to pull a real good Carson Palmer style F-off.
Completely agree
I’d much rather have Harrison than any of the worn down over 30 group of FA running backs.
Not only can Harrison
catch the ball out of the backfield, but he also has very little wear. Only 342 carries for his whole career.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
that ypc
is what I’m looking at. Whoever is behind our line will see thier ypc go down, so if you struggled to be productive on a run by run basis on other teams, you’ll probably be garbage here… Harrison has a shot to be a decent back for us.
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Going off the charts
I would like to see the supplimental draft if we would pick up Badger RB Ball. He is huge and a massive downhill runner. I think he would be a better option.
Harrison is physically small
At 5’9" and 205 he doesn’t appear to be a brusing between the tackles type. Maybe he’s short enough to hide behind some massive linemen. I can’t say that I’ve really watched him in action, but it looks like he has some potential. Let’s hope it works out for him and the Lions.
by Parrothead Mike on Aug 9, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions
Harrison and Bell
Ive wanted Bell from the start because he can block and FB but is versitale enough to plug in at RB once in a while. He was stuck behind a deep Saints backfeild and just didnt get carries in Philly or Cleveland (sorta like Harrison)
Now Harrison is a great running back that no one reconized. I was surprised his wasnt signed before and i think he will produce.
I think we stole both of these backs IMHO.
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A great signing loaded with irony.
I find it ironic that Harrison and Bell were traded for each other in 2010, and now signed together by the Lions.
I find it ironic that a 5’9", 205lb back is most prolific between the tackles.
I find it ironic that the Lions playoff hopes were considered dashed my many only yesterday are back on track today.
isn't it tho!!!
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isn't it ironic?
doncha think?!
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I had a friend who went to school with Jerome Harrison
Supposedly, he’s a very nice guy and a hard worker. My friend told me in 2006, the year he got drafted that Harrison always wanted to play for the Lions because he grew up watching them. He idolized Barry Sanders and always wanted to be the next best running back in Detroit since he left for retirement.
What a great opportuinity Harrison has, he can step right in and make the most of his situation in front of his entire family in his home state known as “Pure Michigan”.
This good for Harrison and the fans because they always were Lions fans. I’m sure Harrison always will love the Lions, just like all of us fans.
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Aug 9, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's sweet.
Good for Harrison and the Lions.
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by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 9, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hopefullt that will fuel his fire to continue his 2009 campaign
if he runs like that behind this line, I’d be shocked, but lovin it! I think he might be as effective as MoMo though, which isn’t too shabby if Best can find a way to not miss too much time
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I'd prefer,
Clinton Portis…. but will wait and see what happens….
Also, I wouldn’t mind bringing in Tiki for a looksy
me too!!!
He’s invaluable in Pass Pro and also quite capable of running it still imo… if he can stay healthy. He’ll work for peanuts and a Ford car too!
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Portis work for Peanuts?
Doubtful. I see him wanting at least double what Harrison will get.
not so much
I read an interview somewhere over the course of the preseason where he commented something to the effect he’s saved a lot of money. He said something like he doesn’t care what he gets paid he just wants to play at this point and wants to prove the Skins were wrong to give up on him. Perhaps that was the bitterness of being released talking and his tune has changed now, I dont know.
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No way... Portis is washed up
These two have much better value.
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by CapitolLions on Aug 9, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
were pretty cap tight as it is, Portis can go chill with Rodman this season
by CR on Aug 9, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrison vs Brown
is what it seems that battle is. Bell vs MoMO? I think Harrison has a lot to offer but I’m not sure Bell is more valuable than MoMo. I think of the 4 players mentioned only 1 is in the 53 and another RB not yet in the mix is also on the 53
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hmm
so we’d roll with 3 RBs (Best, Harrison or MoMo or Bell, & mystery)??? I highly doubt that
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I say
Cut Brown and Felton. Clapp becomes our FB. Harrison becomes our next MoMo or even a better version. Bell is short yardage till next year when Mikel comes back. Would not be suprised if MoMo is let go next year.
As do I !
Very suprised Harrison has not caught on with a team earlyer in FA.
The RBs seem to be going last
The teams had to clear out the upper tier RBs before hitting these guys.
That alone ("suprised no team picked him up")....
Should mean a red flag.
Personally, IMHO, the only reason Morris gets shown the door is for a better signing. There is no way in HELL… Bell and Harrison even come close to sniffing Morris’s jock.
Portis on the other hand… could replace him.
As a long shot, Bell could end up taking Felton’s Roster postion as he is a viable FB option.
I like Momo
…but I don’t think he’s even close to as good as Harrison. Harrison has done nothing but produce, period.
The fact that he was still out there doesn’t bother me. I was always surprised the Browns didn’t play him more than Lewis, and the obvious thing to say would be “well that’s obviously because he wasn’t as good.” Then, of course, they DID start him for five games and he absolutely set the world on fire.
The Eagles got him and let him rot…then they started him two games and whoops, the world was burning again.
Personnell departments just can’t shake old notions of RBs and blue chip star players, and haven’t adjusted to a world where marginal guys come out of nowhere to be studs.
I got a buddy on the Eagles
I will ask him about Harrison and see what he thinks. Some good insider information! I’ll return later.
Actually, he's just about equal in stats...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5940
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7894
What Mo has above Harrison is…… 2 full seasons in Detroit’s offense, He’s just about bullet proof during the season, and his career has shown CONSTANT productivity.
I just don’t see (besides money) a reason to throw Mo Mo away for another, younger, less consistant RB of the same calibur.
I agree with you
Mo is solid.
The most baffling thing is reading everyone say how solid Harrison is, and then turning around and dissing Mo. If you think neither are solid, that’s fine, but if you think Harrison is a solid RB then you gotta think that about Mo. Mo’s consistency is key.
And good point about Mo already knowing the system as well.
Four years older with over a half yard less YPC and a broken hand.
Besides, the notion I was disputing is that Harrison can’t “sniff Morris’s jock.” I’m not at convinced Morris is even BETTER, much less THAT much better.
I’d keep Best, Harrison, AND Momo though. No sense keeping Brown around. I don’t care about Bell.
Harrison has to be in the league for atleast
4 more years before he’s even close enough to sniff Morris’s jock….lol (how’s that for clarification?)
by CLF on Aug 9, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't beleave you guys are selling Bell out so fast.
I’m thinking at the FB position as I say this. Someone said he was a piss poor FB, what do you call Felton? At least Bell will try to block unlike our RB/FB in Felton. Bell needs to stay.
How many lumps you want Doc?
My feelings about Felton are well known
He has to go before his helmet is forever lost up the dark rear side of one of our O lineman.
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Harrison played behind one of the best lines in the game. He’ll have a different challange and fate here, I do belive
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That was a shot they took to get rid of the Clapp
Oh wait….
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I havent' heard anything about him being released
link please
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do you know anything about Clapp???
I’m asking because I really don’t. I’ve just see pictures a heard a tad hear and there about blocking…can he run? can he catch? can he pick up blitzes?
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Portis has
2230 rushes for his career. Compare that with 3000 + for Sanders and LT. He is also 30. Not sure where I’m going with this, but it could have been a good pickup. Maybe we should cut Brown and pick him up.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
Why wouldn’t the Lions want to keep him around?
He’s low-mileage, fits the same playbook as Best, and they’re going to need an insurance policy with LeShoure being a big question mark in 2012.
I don’t know what more you’d want out of a depth player, except for special teams acumen.
indeed
and also the fact that he is of the same type mold. As it was pointed out earlier on this page you generally don’t have RB committee members all of a similar type, Best, Harrison, Brown.
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interesting faith
you have in Harrison. Sure there’s no way Portis would be around more than a season or two tho. Would his quality of play over that span be better than Harrison’s? Perhaps! Mayhew has likely told us who he thinks would be better of the 2.
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Dude, I wouldn't take Portis for free
Harrison and Bell are both much more valuable than Portis.
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by CapitolLions on Aug 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Portis is injury prone
AND would have been expensive. We are close to the cap limit and Portis, in my opinion, isn’t going to bring the value/$ that Harrison will. I can’t for the life of me figure out why Harrison hasn’t stuck somewhere as a lead back. He has performed well everywhere he has went. There has to be something we don’t know about. As soon as Mikel went down yesterday I was screaming for us to get Harrison. I am excited to see how he does. Forget about him not being a power back for a second too. Best has been an injury concern throughout his time in college. MoMo is not a lead back, Harrison has proven he is worth being a lead back.
Some of you guys...
are going pretty crazy over a number 2 back. We’ll be fine. If it was CJ or Stafford, i could understand freaking out. We don’t even know if the rookie was any good.
Preseason is gonna settle this
It seems smaller backs need more carries to get in the groove of the game, also to get in a groove with there O-line. Thats where I think Harrison will suffer
Bell is 6 foot and goes 225lbs last I knew of, seems like a better change of pace back who will get 3 or 4 yards and a cloud of dust.
Harrison had one great 1/2 a season while Bell has had two 600 yards season with 2 different teams. I’m leaning toward Bell for right now.
I guess, despite Bell's size
he’s a one-cut runner just like MoMo and doesn’t run with a whole lot of authority…Harrison has better leverage (5’9") and authority to get through arm tackles. Word on the street anyway…
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I'll get behind anybody who sports our colors on the field
I understand why everybody is happy to get him, I keep thinking if he’s such a great pick up why was he still there, and even if Mikel didn’t get hurt if he was that good why didn’t we pick him up and cut Morris… Loooking forward to the preseason to sort this out… : )
By that logic
Everyone we could have signed would have invariably sucked, because they were all unsigned.
Peyton Hillis got traded last year, he must have sucked. Arian Foster was on the practice squad, he must have sucked. Blount was an UDFA,he sucked too.
That's a pretty big bed to lie in with Harrison
I don’t think he’ll turn out to those type of players, I don’t hate the sigining. But that’s some lofty thoughts he’ll turn out as good as them.
Clay rb from wisc.
I hope they keep an eye on him. I know he is signed with Pitt right now but idk if he will make the roster. He could be a good pick up if/when he is cut. Could be another Ron dayne though too.
a back up OT from the raven.. strted 3 gams this year
was a packer for few years as well..
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loos like decent pick up
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As a Kalamazoo resident for 25 years, I’m TOTALLY hoping Harrison dies well for the Lions! I will miss LeShore for sure, however.
You hope harrison dies..
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by CapitolLions on Aug 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were giving the well wishes of a Klingon
(Yeah, I’m a nerd. What of it? Wanna fight about it?)
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my mom worked with jerome harrison’s girlfreind’s dad at american axle in three rivers. i got his signed rookie card through him, nice dude
My lawn guys brother in-law works with his wifes 2nd cousin
It’s like we are realted.
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by CapitolLions on Aug 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it.
Good work taking care of business quickly Mayhew. Harrison is a good back. He never got enough playing time when Jamal Lewis was here. I think Bell will turn out to be an extra camp body/insurance till the season starts. I think we go with Best, Harrison, Brown, Momo, Felton for the season. Brown is having a good camp so far and Month knows our system and looked good at the end of last year. Should be interesting to see who steps up in the preseason games. Can’t wait.
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by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Aug 9, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Like that we brought some guys in
sucks about Leggett. man, if that guy could just get healthy! good lord, I guess we don’t need more injury prone guys on our roster!
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This is the kind of move that successful franchises make!
I love it. I love the move, the confidence in the team as a whole, and the fact that with Best, JH, and Bell, we have one of the better RB corps in the NFC… believe it!
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To be fair
The NFCN is not known for its RBs. Martz only calls run plays when he needs a second to think up another 7 step drop pass play and GB was averaging 2 runs a game for a while there.
no
just no
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No what?
This is a pro move, by a pro front office.
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there's no way in hell
we have one of the better rb corps in the NFC.
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but I like the move by Mayhew
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16 teams in the NFC, so name 8 teams with better RB corps (top to bottom, no just one stud) who are better...
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Ones for sure worse
Cardinals
Cowboys
Redskins
Giants
Saints
Bucs
Packers
Bears
Thats 8 for sure…
Teams whose running backs are FOR SURE better…
Vikings
Panthers
Eagles
Teams that I personally would’t trade our RBs for
49rs
Falcons
Bears
Teams who have comparable corps that I would figure are even
Seahawks
Rams
So, I would consider that, one of the best… Top 8 for sure, and arguably top 5.
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What?
Matt Forte, Marion Barber, and Chester Taylor are WORSE than Best and Co.?
I fucking hate the Bears, but you’re wrong there buddy… plain and simple.
The Saints? Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas? The Pack? Ryan Grant, John Kuhn, and that new guy?
Legarrette Blount and Earnest Graham are at least as good as Best and Random Guy #2…
I just don’t follow your logic there. How can you say Stephen Jackson and Cadillac Williams are ‘even’ with us?
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by Nate D. on Aug 9, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, you would rather have Jackson and Williams over Detroits backs
You’re crazy.. we are building a franchise, not a season. Give me break, this isn’t madden.
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I will only conside Chicago, I forgot they added Barber
Chester Taylor is not better than Harrison and Bell
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I would not rather have Blount than Best
And Graham? What are you play FFB in 2009?
This is real football.. give me a break with all of you guys madden opinions.
Franchises are about young talent. Blount is good, as good as best, but Graham, don’t even bring his old busted, fullback, ass up… wow.
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No GM would trade our backs for Sjax and Williams unless they are a RB from the super bowl
Which we aren’t.
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Building a franchise has nothing to do with it
The simple fact of matter is, Jackson has produced and continues to produce. Something we can not say about Best. Jackson is clearly the better RB.
Take off the homer glasses and see the truth. Best is a 2 game producer so far. You are comparing him to proven players that have produced for longer than he has at higher levels.
The only proven runner we have currently is average, Mo Mo. Everyone else has a ton to prove until they can claim anything close to what you are trying to sell here.
Trying to argue we have youth as one of the reasons our RBs are better than other teams RB is just chugging the juice. Young does not equate to better. More often than not, young equates to unproven. Young equates to potential. I would take Jackson’s proven ability over best’s potential any day. Given that most RB are 3-4 year and done players, I would make that trade today.
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by joshsun on Aug 9, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RBs with 2000 carries and closing on on 30 aren't how you build a franchise.
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proven producers is how you build a franchise
The mere suggestion that our running game is better than even 1/2 of the teams you think ours is better than is homerism at its fullest bluster.
Best has shown promise and it is exciting. Lets see if he can keep it up and stay healthy before we start saying he is the second best in the NFCN let alone top 5 in the NFL.
BTW, sturdy runners like Sjax reach 3000 carries more often than people realize. At about 300 carries a year, that is almost 4 full years at his current production level.
Just for a point of reference. Bettis (34 when he retired) had 3479 carries in his career and he was every bit the bruiser that SJax is, probably more.
The more I look at stats and projected life of RBs being 3-4 years, the more convinced I am that I would trade Best for SJax tomorrow without a lick of regret.
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you can have them dude.. look up the stats on over 30 RBs... dudes get old quick...
And look up stats on guys who have a handful of 300 carry season under their belt. I wouldn’t trade our RBs for STL… not today I wouldnt.
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and you jumped to top 5 RBs in the NFL
I said top half of the RB corps in the NFC… pretty big difference.
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Also
there is a reason Bradford is the pretty boy young QB of the NFL right now. No doubt the kid has talent but I think a very fair argument can be made that a large part of that reason is SJax.
I think the drafting of Leshoure was that realization for Mayhew. We need a RB that keeps the D honest in the middle. Best scares people on the outside, not the middle.
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there's the rub
LeShoure hasn’t been that guy for the most part. He’s a crafty back more than a bruiser back. People just see his size and assume his style is 1 way. Look at his play tho and you’ll see something different.
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I am not pigeon holing him here
but I had hopes he would be more successful between the tackles than Best probably ever will be and I have a feeling that was part of the thinking of our FO too.
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Ha, he might be crafty
but after seeing Best run into the pile on 3rd and 1 I can only expect that a 220 pounder—crafty or not—would do a better job.
Uhhhh
Cardinals: Beanie Wells and Tim Hightower are better
Redskins: Ryan Torain, even
Giants: Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs are better
Saints: Their depth at that position is ridiculous, even
Bucs: I’d rather have Blount
Packers: When Ryan Grant is healthy, he’s better
Bears: Forte is even
49’s: Frank Gore is much better
Falcons: Turner is much better
Seahawks: Lynch is even
Rams: Jackson is much better
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Uh Hightower is in Washington
Torain is garbage
You can’t take one good back and say their backfield is better… STL, SF, Falcons…
I totally disagree and we will revisit this after the season.
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I can't believe you said Torain - Even
Your opinion is forfeit.
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Ok because I have a different opinion than you, it's wrong huh
Torain tore up teams when he was healthy last year. Just because its not a big name doesn’t mean he’s not good. You think that if a team only has one good, no, great back, than they don’t have a good backfield? GTFO. You’re telling me you’d rather have Best and Harrison than Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, or Michael Turner? I’m glad you’ll never be GM of this team.
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We do not have a big name RB either
We have one flash in the pan RB that has only proven that he need to be uninjured to be effective. Then we have Mo Mo, who I really like, and he is average at best.
I would take any of those guys over Best and not think twice about it.
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Thank you.
To think we have a top 5 rated backfield is delusional.
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why do you have to bring him into this... what did he do
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I didn't say top 5... jesus
I said top half of the NFC… he is the one that put words in my mouth and said top 5 in the NFL.. I have no idea where that came from lol
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by CapitolLions on Aug 10, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have up and coming RBs that guys approaching 30 on a team that isn't ready to win it all
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You are ignoring the reality that it is rare for a RB to last longer than 3 or 4 years
and when they do, you hold on to them.
Up and coming RBs are a dime a dozen. Proven producers that are consistent and durable are not.
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again, good luck with your 30 year old RBs on a building team.
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On a building team, a powerful proven running game is a young teams best friend and it has been proven over and over.
I will take a little luck and that anytime.
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This.
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+1
What the hell are you smoking
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I like Bell and Harrison
Personally I like Bell a little more.
I’m just happy we didn’t go get Hart…
Hey hey!!
This was just what we hoped would happen…we signed probably the best FA RB available in Harrison, so there’s nothing to be upset about there. Mike Bell is a hard nosed runner who can hit it up the middle. I liked him when he was in Denver and New Orleans. I think he is being a bit underrated here on POD…for whatever reason.
My minds eye sees the Lions cutting ties with Aaron Brown (who I do not think has “it”), and likely Maurice Morris as well.
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=reason.
He only produced behind good olines, otherwise his ypc fell off big time. I find it hard to believe he’ll be MORE productive behind our line!
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If Mo can be
productive behind our line, then Harrison can.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
I think Mo's safe...
1)Best 2)Mo 3)Harrison 4)Bell IMO
by CR on Aug 9, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
WR Dominique barnes released...
..with the signing of Tony Moll. yet another un-drafted rookie cut. that leaves just 10 un-drafted rookies left
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We signed Tony Moll?
Someone here totally called that yesterday on one of the threads.
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 9, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if you go to the team website it is under official transactions.
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I absolutely love the Harrison deal...
Mike Bell uhh, we’ll see.. But Hariison is a VERY tough, durable, and hard running RB. Very nice addition
Am I the only one who isn't really thrilled about signing these guys?
Mike Bell? Isn’t that guy like 34?
And Harrison is barely any bigger than Jahvid Best.
I just don’t feel like we really solved any problems here…
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They are both 28 I believe
and I am not really thrilled about bell. Harrison looks more like a Momo clone to me than a poor mans best.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they're released after cuts are made in camp
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You think Brown will make it before either?
At least Harrison and Bell have accumulated some NFL playing time.
I don’t see anyway the Lions go into week one with Best/Morris/Brown as their three backs.
I think what Nate was saying (could be wrong) and I have been thinking
When the first and second round of cuts happen. There should be a few interesting cuts at the RB position that Mayhew will take a run at to upgrade the position. Chances are Brown will be gone after this happens. As far as the other two, I can see one pulling a spot and the other getting cut for a replacement that was cut from another team.
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Yessir.
Brown and either Harrison or Bell will be gone
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There's an insider article up about Bell and Harrison right now on ESPN
I can’t read it, but the comments did yield this.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8151d6f1/WK-15-Jerome-Harrison-highlights
The 268 yard game.
Wanna know what I liked the most in that video
He had the awareness to run along the goal line to burn up the clock as much as possible at the end of the game. That is an intelligent play and says something about his situational game awareness and level of preparation.
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desean jackson does that and gets called a showboating cocksucker by most people
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by Gyorick on Aug 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess it depends how much time is left in the game
I do not remember jackson’s situation but in this case it is a smart move.
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Proves Gyorick’s point. There were seconds ticking off the clock and when Jackson saw that it was at zero and he got into the end zone…
But there will always be people like this guy above who will call him a “jackass” for doing something that they would cheer their own player for doing. That’s just being a fan I guess.
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You mean, there was Zero's on the clock at the 20yd line...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUr_oXh6h_o
…. Like I said, being a jackass.
by CLF on Aug 9, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I remember that shit..
Shoulda gotten an unsportsmanlike for that, especially if we penalize people for taking their helmets off in the endzone
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Jackson is a huge douche.
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by CapitolLions on Aug 10, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Worst thing about that highlight video
is I had to relive the Cardinals game where we almost (but not quite) won. Delmas did have that crazy 99 yard INT TD.
PS- in that game MoMo had 122 yards and a TD. Not too shabby.
The week after K Smith go hurt i bet....
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2009 MO MO 3 games started 93 att for 384 yds 2tds, 4.1 YPC with a long run of 64yds
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I don't see what all the bitching is about
“we need a change of pace back.” Nope, we need a back that is capable of taking carries away from Best so he can stay fresh during games. We have a guy that is capable of running up the middle in MoMo, and JH can do the same thing when needed. He keeps our Best runner fresh.
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I agree completely.
Harrison might not be the perfect complement to Best, as Leshoure was projected to be, but he’s a very capable running back. And he was the best free agent option still available. I feel much better today about our running back situation than I did yesterday, despite the fact that the philosophy regarding the role of Best’s backup has been changed a bit. But hey…injuries always force alterations in plans. That being said, I’m guessing the search for a running back who possesses a skill set closer to Leshoure is still underway.
at least Harrison isn't a runner like Best
He’s not a scatback by any means. While he’s not the biggest, he is a between-the-tackles runner…LeShoure was going to be great IMO, but my biggest worry with him was how he liked to bounce it outside and not play with as much power as he could have…so I’m not sure we’re going to be loosing out on that shortyardage/powerback like everyone seems to think…
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Agreed
I just think this is an old mentality that you need different “types” of backs. Give me two backs that can just be effective when I hand them the ball regardless of the situation. Give me two backs that I could feel good about starting in a game.
If they’re similar to one another, even better. Then I spell one without changing up the offense.
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You don't think giving different looks to a defense has value?
The point of ‘change of pace’ backs are to not only spell the main runner, but also to throw the defense off balance by forcing them to change their plan of attack.
If they’re trying to tackle Jahvid Best, they’re going to be watching the sidelines and playing shallow zones to prevent the screen, whereas a banger is going to draw more 8 in the box looks, opening up the play action.
By switching the offense, you keep the defense on it’s heels. Defense doesn’t win games – imposing your will on the other squad, regardless of the phase of the game does.
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I agree halfway
There’s a value to diversity. Nevertheless, how does it keep the defense “on its heels” if you play one way with one back, and a different way with the other? It’s a big red flag.
There’s definitely value to depth with a different skill set, namely variety. But there’s also value to depth with the same skill set, namely continuity.
Anything Detroit would run with Best they would run with Harrison. A chunk of the playbook doesn’t leave the field hen Best does now.
Unfortunately, a chunk of the playbook doesn’t ENTER the field when the depth comes in now.
There are pro’s and cons to each arrangement.
There is some value...
in a guy that can put their head down and get the tough yards. Best is not that guy. If you insist on playing him in those situations then you will just beat him up for little result. I don’t care what the name is on the back of the jersey. I just care that we don’t get Best hurt by making him play in short yardage situations and grinding out yards.
I couldn't number the amount of times
I screamed at the TV “STOP RUNNING DIVES WITH BEST” last year.
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I'm not saying that it wouldn't be nice to have a big bruiser type of back
its nice to have, but not necessary.
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I disagree with that to the core
Best is a scat back as best, “no pun there” we all seen what he does getting carries. he needs a hard runner behind him, I don’t know if Harrison is the guy, Bell fits the style more. I do agree that the change of pace back keeps Best fresh, but you can’t have to backs the same style, and Harrison isnt a thumper or scat back… He’s a imbreed which is why he’s was still left. I just find it hard to think of a 209lbs power back…
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