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Detroit Lions 53-Man Roster Prediction (Pre-Bills Game Edition)

By Saturday night, the Detroit Lions will have made their final cuts and will have only 53 players left on their roster. Who will take up those 53 spots is a tough call with many position battles still undecided, but things have been cleared up quite a bit at many positions over the past few weeks.

I'm not ready to call this my final 53-man roster prediction considering there is still one more preseason game to further clear things up, but this very well could be my final stab at the roster going into Saturday's cuts. It all depends on if anything noteworthy happens in Buffalo tonight. If nothing happens to change my current predictions, this is my last take at the Lions 53-man roster:

Quarterback

Keep (3): Matthew Stafford, Shaun Hill, Drew Stanton

Cut: Zac Robinson

Although there was some talk at one point this preseason about Robinson pushing Stanton for the third QB job, nothing that has happened suggests Stanton will lose his spot. As a result, I once again went with Stafford, Hill and Stanton as the three quarterbacks.

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Running Back

Keep (5): Jahvid Best, Maurice Morris, Aaron Brown, Jerome Harrison, Stefan Logan (yes, I'm listing him as a running back)

Cut: Ian Johnson

Best, Morris and Logan all seem to have spots on the roster locked up. Brown and Harrison have spent the past few weeks battling for the other spots at running back, and I think both have played well enough to make the team. Harrison outlasted Mike Bell, and Brown has performed very well both as a runner and a receiver, and I can't see the Lions cutting him instead of Johnson.

I do want to point out that even if Brown and Harrison do make the roster, their spots aren't necessarily safe. I have a feeling the opening game roster will include a running back not currently on the team. Martin Mayhew could bolster the depth at this position with a trade or by signing a player let go by another team, so it isn't out of the question that the 53-man roster will ultimately include a running back currently on another team.

Fullback

Keep (0): None

Cut: Matt Clapp

Going into training camp, I never would have imagined that I would predict the Lions to keep zero fullbacks. However, the move to release Jerome Felton earlier this week made it clear that the fullback position just isn't that important in the Lions offense anymore. As a result, I don't see Clapp making the team. When the Lions need a fullback it seems they will use Heller, so there just doesn't seem to be a spot on the roster for Clapp.

Wide Receiver

Keep (5): Calvin Johnson, Nate Burleson, Titus YoungRashied Davis, Maurice Stovall

Cut: Derrick Williams, Tim TooneNate HughesDominique Barnes

Johnson, Burleson and Young have been locks to make the team all preseason. The other spots at wide receiver were up in the air, but not anymore. Davis and Stovall have locked down the fourth and fifth receivers spots, clearly outperforming the other players at this position. While Williams has shown flashes of potential, he just hasn't been consistent enough to edge out Davis or Stovall.

Tight End

Keep (3): Brandon Pettigrew, Tony Scheffler, Will Heller

Cut: Joe Jon Finley, Gijon Robinson

If the Lions decide to keep one less running back, I could see Finley making the roster. He clearly has potential at tight end, and the Lions could also possibly use him at fullback like they have with Heller. I do have five backs making the team, so there just isn't room for Finley.

Offensive Tackle

Keep (5): Jeff Backus, Gosder Cherilus, Jason Fox, Corey Hilliard, Johnny Culbreath

Cut: Kirk Chambers

Backus, Cherilus, Fox and Hilliard are locks to make the 53-man roster. The one question mark for me is what happens with Culbreath. Previously I had Thomas edging him out for the ninth spot on the offensive line, but I think Culbreath has done enough to secure a spot on the roster. He may not have more talent right now than Thomas, but after losing former seventh-round pick Lydon Murtha two years ago by putting him on the practice squad, I have a feeling the Lions won't take the same risk with Culbreath.

Offensive Guard

Keep (2): Rob Sims, Stephen Peterman

Cut: Donald Thomas

Because Hilliard has taken reps at guard as of late, the need to keep someone like Thomas is diminished. That is another reason why I think the Lions will hang on to Culbreath over Thomas. Depth at guard can be filled by the Lions' versatile offensive linemen like Hilliard and Gandy.

Center

Keep (2): Dominic Raiola, Dylan Gandy

Cut: Dan Gerberry, Rudy Niswanger, Chris Morris

Although I do have Gandy making the roster, I would not be surprised if Niswanger ended up edging him out for the backup center/guard role.

Defensive End

Keep (4): Kyle Vanden Bosch, Cliff Avril, Lawrence Jackson, Willie Young

Cut: Narada Williams, Keyunta Dawson

Like quarterback, this is one position that hasn't changed at all during my previous predictions, and there's no reason to change it now. Vanden Bosch, Avril, Jackson and Young are going to make the team, and Williams and Dawson are likely going to be cut.

Defensive Tackle

Keep (5): Ndamukong Suh, Corey Williams, Nick Fairley, Sammie Hill, Andre Fluellen

Cut: Robert Callaway, Quinn Pitcock

Suh, Williams, Fairley and Hill are locks to make the team. Although Fluellen's stranglehold on the fifth defensive tackle spot has loosened a bit with his hand injury and the great camp Callaway and Pitcock have had, I still have Fluellen making the team.

Linebacker

Keep (7): DeAndre Levy, Stephen Tulloch, Justin Durant, Bobby Carpenter, Isaiah Ekejiuba, Ashlee Palmer, Doug Hogue

Cut: Caleb Campbell, Cobrani Mixon

The interesting thing to watch for me at linebacker is if the Lions do in fact keep seven of them. If they decide six is enough and want to open up a spot at another position (like safety, for example), I could see the Lions parting ways with Ekejiuba or Hogue. That doesn't seem likely, though.

Cornerback

Keep (5): Chris Houston, Eric Wright, Alphonso Smith, Aaron BerryBrandon McDonald

Cut: Nathan Vasher, Anthony Madison, Paul Pratt, Prince Miller

Vasher had a good enough preseason to make the team, but there just isn't a spot for him. Keeping six cornerbacks isn't possible if seven linebackers are going to make the team. Even if only six linebackers were kept, I have a feeling that would be to take an extra safety as opposed to someone like Vasher.

Safety

Keep (4): Louis Delmas, Amari Spievey, Erik Coleman, John Wendling

Cut: Ricardo Silva, Aaron Francisco

One of the hardest parts about this prediction was figuring out if Silva should be included on the 53-man roster. He has had an outstanding preseason and has made a lot of great plays. His preseason sort of reminds me of the one Berry had a year ago as he went from an undrafted free agent to making the team.

When it came down to it, I just couldn't create a spot for Silva. I know some have called for him to make the team over Coleman or Wendling, but I think the Lions value Coleman's experience and Wendling's special teams abilities too much to cut either of them. I could see Silva making the team over a seventh linebacker, but in the end I went with Hogue over Silva for the last spot on the defense. Obviously it will be a risk to try and put Silva on the practice squad, but it would be an even bigger risk to let go of Hogue, who was a fifth-round pick.

In any case, I think Silva will end up on the 53-man roster at some point; he may just have to wait a few weeks.

Special Teams

Keep (3): Jason Hanson, Ryan Donahue, Don Muhlbach

Cut: Nick Harris

Going into training camp, all eyes on special teams were focused on the battle at kicker between Hanson and Dave Rayner. That has since changed with Rayner already being released and Hanson retaining his starting job. The new battle to watch is at punter. The battle for that starting job is going down to the wire, and I think Donahue, the undrafted free agent from Iowa, will unseat the veteran Harris. I would have never imagined going into camp that Donahue would do well enough to take Harris' spot, but that is what appears to be happening as we head into the preseason finale.

Practice Squad

Keep (8): RB Ian Johnson, FB Matt Clapp, WR Tim Toone, C Dan Gerberry, LB Caleb Campbell, LB Cobrani Mixon, CB Prince Miller, S Ricardo Silva

First, an explanation about the players not on the above list. I think QB Zac Robinson will be signed to another team's 53-man roster and therefore not be headed to the practice squad. If he clears waivers then clearly he will be on the practice squad. I also think guys like WR Nate Hughes and DT Robert Callaway will land a job with another team and therefore not end up on the Lions practice squad.

As for the players I have on the practice squad, there's not really a whole lot to discuss. Johnson and Clapp provide depth in the backfield in case of an injury, and Toone adds depth at receiver in case somebody goes down. Gerberry, Campbell and Mixon all have talent, but there just wasn't room on the roster for them. The same goes for Miller, who I have edging out Paul Pratt for a spot on the practice squad, and Silva, who has played well enough to make the 53-man squad.

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Guess I agree

Would like to see Ian Johnson make the 53-man roster, but can also see him being on the practice squad and hopefully earning a spot next year. Same for Silva too

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by xanderjd on Sep 1, 2011 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Ian Johnson isn't a NFL running back...NOT even remotely...not even close...not even if all our running backs retired

he isn’t a NFL runner…he doesn’t have NFL play making skills…he isn’t good enough…no way no how no way.

Silva is a instinctive 6’3" play making safefty….he has a chance…Ian Johnson should not even be on the practice squad

by Shankdiddy on Sep 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about Ian..

Not an NFL RB.. but I am not that big on Silva either lol

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by CapitolLions on Sep 1, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Vikes let him go for a reason

Anyone that wants him on their team has a fantasy about proposing to his girlfriend on the field. If he didn’t do the proposal thing nobody would even know who he is.

Ian’s only chance of making a living in football will be as B State’s RB coach.

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could see him doing that.

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by CapitolLions on Sep 1, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

“Morris the Taurus” is better than he gets credit for.

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was harsh

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by Bballkid-22 on Sep 1, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

some situations to monitory

Saints have 5 good runners and one of them may get let go… you mean too tell me if a fan like me notices this you can bet that Mayhew is monitoring situations like this….and I myself LOVE J. Bell he could be a starter for us and score 10 TD in this offence EASY!!!

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by Shankdiddy on Sep 1, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would keep Silva

Cut Isiah Ekejiuba and develop Houge and Silva. Much more upside for both of them.

by ncbur10 on Sep 1, 2011 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah

who needs special teams? hah

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ekejiuba is going nowhere...

He is in on every SP play, guys is a sp stud

by CR on Sep 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is a pretty solid evaluation Sean.

I think your read on Donald Thomas being cut is exactly right. Hilliard may have shown enough that they can use him in the short term, and get someone from waivers if there is a longer term injury to a Guard. I think that move is also partly due to Culbreath’s play and potential [they are worried about losing him on the PS].

The only significant disagreement I have with you is the seven Linebackers. I feel that Isaiah E. is out and his spot will go to Silva [most likely] or a sixth corner.

Out of Culbreath, Hogue, and Silva; I think Silva has a much better chance to stay on the PS without getting signed by another team. That may influence the choice between him and either Vasher or McDonald for the last spot.

I also agree with you about the last RB spot. That is where a trade or pick up could be made to bolster the lineup. Harrison has not looked that great.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

reading blogs around the league fans from other teams are talking about Culbreath....

SO you KNOOOW the other teams management are talking about him…. he would not make it to the PS…no chance

by Shankdiddy on Sep 1, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Culbreath sounds like the Willie Young of the 2011 draft.

Willie played so well last year in the preseason that the Lions had to keep him on the roster. Sounds like we need to do the same for Culbreath.
Mayhew really seems to hit the seventh round picks out of the park.
2009 – Follet, Murtha, Gronkowski
2010 – Young
2011 – Culbreath

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but he is finding some talent down there.

Murtha is a capable back up and might develop into a starter.
Gronk was used to get us Alphonso.
Follet looked like he would be a good depth LB and ST player, until the injuries. Although in all fairness, that is the main reason he dropped so far. Teams were concerned that he would not last playing the way he does/did.
Willie looks like a real keeper. His play this year could really shake things up on the D Line, especially a few years down the road.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

that’s impressive for the 7th round…

Murtha’s been getting a lot of time at LT (not that he will start this year, but still!)

I think Willie is an absolute steal! Love that kid!

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh... and Tim Toone!

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by CapitolLions on Sep 1, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Culbreath

has been working at both guard and tackle, which makes him that much more valuable to the team. Thats a TON of beef to move at either position. Plus, being on the 53 protects him from other teams shopping our practice squad. I’d rather expose Caleb & Ian to the PS and hope that they can be picked up by another team and keep playing in the league. Just because the Detroit Inn is full with talent doesn’t mean that other teams aren’t still looking to fill a position or two.

by Detroitfantc on Sep 1, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also like that Culbreath is 6'5"

and not 6’7" like Hilliard. That should make it a tad easier to play guard as well as handle the OLBs that dominates our league these days…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one I've been watching is Kirk Chambers...I would hate to let him go.

He’s the one that sprung Stanton for the 1st down run by taking out 2 lineman.

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by delusional on Sep 1, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that was a sweet block!

Haven’t paid attention to him though otherwise.

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

dang

the secret is out! I think you’re right. I’ll be too pissed if he’s the next Myrtha!

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't argue with this roster

Especially after I said no way would Felton get cut, after you posted your last roster.

However, guys I hope can step up and somehow steal a spot or at the very least the PS.

Ian Johnson
Ricardo Silva
JJF
Robert Callaway
Nate Hughes
Caleb Campbell
Zach Robinson

And I’d like to see hughes and Callaway make at least the PS but I agree they’ll get swept up along with Robinson.

Speaking of Robinson, so many teams are QB weak, I think we could get decent value out of a Hill trade. Stanton has turned me from skeptic to believer. Robinson has showed me enough to think he can develop into a solid number two some day. So why not cash in on Hill if we can.

The other guys are just homer picks that I like for various reasons.

by slopes44 on Sep 1, 2011 8:25 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

also, I completely agree

With your RB assessment. One of our running backs going into the first game is not currently on our roster. And although MoMo has been our most consistent runner of the past few years, I question how safe his job really is. However, of the five, I think Harrison would be the odd man out. As you can see, I’ve kinda changed my tune on Brown. Uggghhh, foot meet mouth!

by slopes44 on Sep 1, 2011 8:36 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

me too

can’t wait for cuts in a few days. I think a RB will emerge…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have 52 of the same people,

my only difference is I have Silva beating out Coleman. It sounds to me that Coleman has not been all that steady in camp; he plays too loose in coverage and is slow to identify plays. Not the type of thing I want a veteran for. I thought he was a decent S, but it seems many Atlanta fans didn’t care for him.

by Adam Keith on Sep 1, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Many Atlanta fans did like him

I read a number of different forums and it was mostly very positive. I also disagree that Coleman will be slow to identify plays. That hasn’t been an area of weakness in his past and he’s played both FS and SS. Our system is a little different, so perhaps it had to do with just learning the system in 3 weeks…I think he’ll be fine come Spt 11th if he’s called upon. Track record for a vet speaks louder than a couple weeks in camp for a new team…his faults lye with his coverage abilities.

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coleman has gotta go

Silva has played better than ALL the DB’s this preseason. And Coleman has been burned way to many times. Just because he has experience doesnt mean he is the better choice. If you have 2 players and 1 has talent and 1 has experience then talent should win hands down everytime. I realize we are still feeling the after affects of the Millen ways of doing things but those days are THANKFULLY long gone. Talent wins on this Lions team. Silva wins it and eventually takes the starting spot either through injury or inefectiveness. Also he would never make it to the PS since there have been so many injuries and crappy starters in the NFC North alone.

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by UgottaBkiddinMe on Sep 1, 2011 8:49 AM EDT reply actions  

haha

no way Silva has played better than Speivey! You do know he’s playing against backups (minus a few plays against Brady) right!?

Schwartz said he hasn’t been as good in practice/camp…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the first time I can remember

we are going to cut guys that I’d be sad to lose. There’s going to be some tough decisions for the staff and organization to make.

by Stones1981 on Sep 1, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

and also for the first time

Guys we cut will be picked up by other teams. Detroit used to be the last stop for so many players and coaches.

by redwingxviii on Sep 1, 2011 9:53 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I saw a couple of comments on a Giants thread that wanted to pick up Felton.

I replied that it was a good feeling to hear that Lions cuts were considered to be worthy of playing on other teams, and that the Lions were not going to be anxiously waiting to upgrade their team with cuts from other teams.

Thank you Mr. Mayhew!

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, thats a good point.

It is nice to be able to cut guys that other teams want.. not just “Will take”

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by CapitolLions on Sep 1, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He went to Carolina

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by delusional on Sep 1, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo, Sean

You sure do know your football. Obviously, a very well thought out post. I have to agree with every single one of these players making the team. Yes there are a few tough calls, but I think you nailed it. Toughest call for me was Silva. I suspect that he will get cut, and get picked up by another team. That would be a bitter pill to swallow as I think he has a lot of potential. Sentimental favorite Caleb Campbell is also a tough call, but he simply hasn’t shown me enough to keep him on the roster. I’m hoping you’re right about Hogue. He has the natural talent and ability to be a solid linebacker soon, and I would hate to see another team pick him up. I’m hoping that the ghost of Lydon Murtha will serve as a reminder to keep Culbreath on the squad. That young man has a future in the NFL. Whoever thought Ryan Donohue would unseat Nick Harris? That kid has really impressed me with his punt placement.

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by LionTarHeel on Sep 1, 2011 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

what a joke!

they prove it over and over…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good job Sean.

I’d keep Silva and drop Ekejiuba. Last year, Schwartz alluded to the need to keep 10-11 DBs on the roster due to the excessive injury rate in the group.

Ekejiuba hasn’t shown any inclination to play a positional role at LB. In addition, the play of Carpenter, Stovall and Davis are mitigating factors in cutting Ekejiuba. We can even add Hogue to that group.

I had doubts about Fluellen making the roster after Fairley was drafted, but his versatility is indispensible.

by mikeyclaw on Sep 1, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

he dide indirectly allude

and I agree for the most part. Interestingly, he only kept 9 DBs last year. Maybe it was due to lack of talent (and he didn’t like Bly) or maybe because he wanted to keep more of other personell groups (LBs, RBs…)

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fluellen is much needed depth too

The Lions will keep 5 DT’s until Fairley is fully healthy and integrated into the defense. They know that they can’t have Suh taking as many snaps as he did last year. However, if Fairley comes back from injury and is the beast we all hope he will be then i think Fluellen may have trouble keeping his job.

by waybai51 on Sep 1, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Radical 53-man Roster

I like most of your predictions, Sean, but am disappointed with a couple. If I had to pick one, it would be Ricardo Silva. I definitely agree with keeping Donahue, Hogue and Culbreath.

I would also clear an extra spot, by giving the cutting Don Mulbach, and give the Long Snapper duties to another center; preferably Raiola, in order to keep him on the roster, as I would replace him in the starting line-up with either Niswanger or Gerberry. Raiola prevents Detroit from having a running game, and you can’t even put him at Guard. Actually, I’d make Gandy the snapper, and utilize his versatilty to provide depth, and include Long Snapper in the 9. It’s really time to thank Dom for his past service, but this team is out the point where obvious holes must be addressed. With an absence of RBs who can create on their own, the running game is only going to improve with better run blocking. I think the coaching staff and front office is beginning to show that they haven’t a problem with pulling out the ziggy. Donahue beating out Harris will prove that again.
  

I am perfectly in line with you on the LBs, while close at DL, CB, and S. I have Callaway beating out Fluellen, eliminating Berry, to go with 4 CBs, and Silva replacing Coleman.

I am perfect with you at WR, although am struggling with leaving Tim Toone off as a 6th. Our TEs and RBs will be seeing a lot of passes, so I’m comfortable going with just 5 WRs.

Now let’s get radical, and start thinking about the future, along with this season. On the OL, first I give Peterman a bus ticket. I go with your selections at OT, along with keeping Donald Thomas. At TE, I go the same with Pettigrew, Scheffler, and Heller at TE/HB, although I could dream a bit here, and go with Finley instead, for more burst and future considerations. I don’t believe he will survive waivers.

Let’s add a little shock to radicalism… at RB, I go with Best, Brown, Ian Johnson, Harrison, and Logan. I cut Maurice Morris, who is older than dirt, along with being unable to compete in the pre-season, and having no upside. I keep Matt Clapp to develope as FB, while he rips heads off playing Special Teams, and gives opponents a taste of The Clapp! That uses up one of my two open spots; reserving the last one.

I’ve saved QB for last, so I can exit quickly, as the shower of eggs and rotten tomatoes begins. Drew Stanton has grown, and Stafford can say that he will play in all 16 this year, but I want to see it. Hopefully, he will. I believe that Stanton has surpassed Hill, who has never had the tools to be a starting QB. I want to see who out-performs who tonight, and I’d like to see Stanton given the opportunity to be the 2nd QB in and complete for the back-up job. If Drew Stanton is the better of the two, do you need a career back-up as your 3rd string QB? NO… you keep Zac Robinson, who appears to have the tools to be a starter himself a little down the road. God bless Shaun Hill for his contributions, but is he the best today? I think NOT, so why cut players who at least will create some trade value. If Stanton hadn’t been resigned, then Hill would be the best back-up we have, but the dynamics have been changed. You might even be able to get a 7th round pick for Hill.

Okay… start throwing the garbage. Thanks Sean for taking the time to present your take on the 53-man roster. However it shakes out, after all the bodies hit the heap, the Lions are going to have a much improved roster. I’m sure we will be looking for a RB who will help this season, along with other youthful talent. I’m still reserving my last spot, as much could change. If I had to spend it now, I would add either Toon, Berry, Miller, or Finley. I’m not even going to bother with Practice Squad at this point, until the FAs are sifted through.

by Gee Garold Lembach on Sep 1, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Gee, you are a new member of the POD so missed out on the legendary Long Snapper debate.

Last year, a number of PODers suggested doing away with the Long Snapper and using that spot for some other position.

The fact is, every NFL team has a long snapper on their roster. His job is very important and I don’t know of any regular Center who can do it well. Coach Schwartz alluded to a test for Donahue as a holder by letting Raiola do the long snapping and “bounce a few up there”. Eliminating the Long Snapper is just not a serious suggestion. Let’s not go there again guys.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, its not like snapping in shotgun lol

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by CapitolLions on Sep 1, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by CapitolLions on Sep 1, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes havent been on here for awhile

I know you werent talking to me, but I have the day off, looking to chat it up with my 2nd fav NFL team fans.

First question is why do the Vikes and Lions think they will be okay at DB this year. Both our secondaries are TURD! I would have liked to see the Vikes take a DB early in this past draft.

The Vikes have an aging, but still serviceable Winfield and you guys have Delmas. That’s about it. Cedic Griffen was awesome but is come off back to back season ending injuries…

Alphonso Smith, Chris Houston and company don’t do it for me. Do they do it for you. Unless I’m missing something and I’m sure you will tell me I am, why do our teams think they are fine at DB when really their turd.

All the best teams in the NFL seam to stock-pill DBs so why don’t…?

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody even wanted to try and throw at Eric while he was in

Chris played pretty good, had a good heads up pic on the first pass play of the preseason. Our problem looks to be at safety, if you must point a finger.

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts..

1) It isn’t as easy to stockpile DB’s as you seem to be suggesting.

2) Our D-Line will make any DB look 1000% better… what other teams bring our pressure with 4?

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by CapitolLions on Sep 1, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't have to stockpile but

I just wish the Vikes would have drafted a CB early this past draft. I like the TE Roudolph but S and CB are the most pressing need that didn’t get addressed.

Your D line will make your DBs look better, true, but the Lions secondary isn’t very good.

How is Fairley coming along?

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You a vikings fan?

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by Bballkid-22 on Sep 1, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

thus the name

and image…haha

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know rames lol

sarcasm.

Anyway. You aint gettin any info on Fairley vikespena. Not for a division rival

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by Bballkid-22 on Sep 1, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'll find out exactly

how Fairlys coming along sooner than they care to, I’d wager.

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Fairley should be good, lol. Just hoping this injury isn’t holding him back too much.

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes its true

I dress up my dog in Vikes clothing and probably have a problem… Why not?

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fairley is out of a boot, I believe...

The Lions secondary wasn’t that good last year… you mean.

I expect VAST improvement and an above average secondary when all said and done… here’s why;

At Safety, Delmas is solid… However, Speivey(2nd year) looked precise in preseason in pass and especially in run support… and I believe he’s more of a sure tackler than Delmas.

At Corner back; Houston, Wright, and Aphonzo Smith(nickel) will be more than adequate. Last year the #2 and Nickle back was a constant turnstile due to injuries…. this year, the Lions have a bit more depth to sustain good play.

Overall, and I could be mistaken, the Secondary is MUCH improved. And not to be a jerk, but the fact that you failed to mention Wright, but did mention Smith(who’s injured and probably won’t start/play in week 1, tells me you didn’t do ANY homework before making that statement.

by CLF on Sep 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Mcdonald has been having a great preseason.

Making multiple tackles in space.

The back 4/5 have been playing very good except for that bite on the runfake last week.

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by delusional on Sep 1, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

....getting burnt like crazy....lol

Like him on ST… not on D.

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by CLF on Sep 1, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed that.

Were like 5 in the league against the pass last time I checked.
He can’t be getting that burnt.

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by delusional on Sep 1, 2011 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I haven't noticed him getting beat a lot

I have seen him get beat a few times. That said, I also saw Houston and Wright both get beat, and if the throw from the QB had been on target, it could have been burnt for scores.

McDonald has proven that he is a very good tackler, and that he is average to above average in coverage. He is not afraid to make a hit, or take a hit, while trying to make a play. I like his style.

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by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that good (isn't won't cut it this year) I get it

Hoping/seeing improvement in your DBs. I don’t, but you follow them more and with a glass half full… You guys have been great. For a division rival indeed.

I live close to D town but am a Viking fan from childhood, my father loved them…, but don’t think for a second I don’t have a soft spot for the Leo’s.

Thanks guys, I’ll be back(to quote an Austrian).

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't have elite players at every position.

As for all the best teams stockpile DBs, I don’t agree with that. The Patriots secondary is not very good. Atlanta and New Orleans and the Giants are about average. The Ravens and Steelers are above average but not outstanding.
The Packers and Jets are probably the two best secondaries in the NFL, with the Chargers and Chiefs not far behind. I’m holding off on the Eagles until they actually play. They lost their best Safety and DRC looked horrible with the Cards last year.

Our secondary is going to be a lot better than last year, and last year I would say our group was below average.

Now the Vikes,…….you guys have a putrid secondary. You’ll get no argument from me there. Stafford, Rodgers, and even Cutler are going to light you up.

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by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devin McCourty and Patrick Chung

ring a bell. Both those guys are better than any DBs the Lions or Vikes have. The Patriot D is being ranked in the top 3 pretty much everywhere for the upcoming season.

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

McCourty's the only guy they have.

Chung’s a run stopping safety, he’s no Ed Reed.

by Mavyrk on Sep 1, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chung had 3 picks, one returned for a TD, a blocked FG return for a TD and yes a lot of tackles. Not bad for his second year. He is still getting better and last time I checked NOBODY is Ed Reed!

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll see.

Projecting him to be a ball hawk is one thing, but he’s nothing to write home about just yet.

by Mavyrk on Sep 1, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't project him a ball hawk

Just saying he is pretty good and only getting better.

The fact is the top teams do have more secondary depth than the Vikes and Leo’s, so why don’t they get with the program?

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno.

I think you may be underselling our secondary. Delmas is… well, Delmas. Spievey has made great strides and I see big things for him in the future. Houston/Wright, while not some type of DRC/Asomugha combination, is still a solid starting two on the outside. We’ve got slot guys like Phonz and Berry; both of whom are respectable in backup roles.

I mean, at the moment we’re sitting here thinking of who we need to cut at S/CB and there’s no clear answers. We’re a lot deeper than you’re giving credit for. Sure, maybe our top-end (starters) lack a little, but I don’t view them nearly like the liability they were last year; they may well turn out to be a strength.

by Mavyrk on Sep 1, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt they(DBs) will be your teams strength

But they may be indeed better than I am giving them credit for. Your biggest need going into next season will be to improve your secondary. That is when the Lions are ready to make the next step.

Nonetheless its about damn time Lion fans had something to look forward to!

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think offensive line will be top priority next year...

Followed by secondary…

That said, I think that almost every year and I always seem to be wrong.

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by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see Chung as being any better than Delmas

but we’ll see

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chung broke out last year

His #’s are pretty good and if he improves on them at all he will be better that Delmas, unless Delmas gets any better, lol!

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year, sure.

Do you even read your posts?

Please don’t think you can come over here and tear down the Lions to offset the Viking’s soon to be dismal season.

by CLF on Sep 1, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certanly not

But don’t think the 4 wins to finish the season last year translate over to this season, because they do not.

Every season is its own entity.

I just think the Lions, like the Vikings, need to improve their secondary.

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no question to the validity of that statement...

However, our defensive line and linebackers have improved our secondary all by themselves.

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by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets see Stafford stay healthy for a full year

And a year where your secondary doesn’t get lit up. Cutler isn’t lighting up shit due to his inaccuracy.

As for Rodgers and a healthy Stafford, yes they will carve up the Vikes secondary, puke.

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

we ranked 16th last year in pass defense and top 10 in plays over 20 yards.

and a TON of yardage came on TEs & RBs who the LBs hasd responsibility for…

Not saying our secondary was great AT ALL last year (our Dline helped them out a lot). But they didn’t get lit up!

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets see McNabb

last a full game against the Lions.

by CLF on Sep 1, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, lol

He has had his injuries and as stated in previous posts I’m not all that excited about the Vikes O-Line.

I mean McKinne was an ass, but an ass we have no viable replacement for…

I am going into this season with a humbled approach.

History is history but I’m hoping the Vikings #2 winning percentage since they entered the league in 1971 will translate… not likely, but I still like the signing of McNabb.

Harvin is GREAT, Berrian is turd/average at best, too bad about LeShoure, that is all.

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love McNabb.

I think he’ll be a lot better this year than he was last year.

That said, your o-line isn’t what I’d call blue chip. Playing us twice this year will not go well for you guys.

by Mavyrk on Sep 2, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let just say

I wasent all that thrilled about the Jenkins signing. Yeah lets let Sidney go and sign a guy that had 2tds with Matt Ryan as his QB last year, puke. Please get TO come week 3 and hope for the best.

It’s true I’m venting a bit.

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by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

consider garabage thrown

but seriously, some fresh ideas. Unfortunately, I’m not in the mood for fresh right now, I want the staples! Vets over UDFAs and ST studs over “potential”…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree about Raiola,

he gets way too much criticism. when i watch the run plays carefully i usually observe at least one or two guys missing or not holding a block and the problem seems to be spread across the board—even out to the WRs. often, i’m afraid, it looks like a problem with the backs not letting things develop and not seeing what they should. i think Bell and Harrison get a pass on this since they aren’t yet feeling how the OL reacts to the D-fronts. from what i can see, it looks like Raiola is still playing pretty well and has been commended for his calls at the line.

by x$pcents IV on Sep 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ian Johnson isn't a NFL running back at all...how could ANYONE NOT see this

He just doesn’t have it i don’t see how anyone here can’t see that… give me J. Bell anyday (saints 4th RB)

by Shankdiddy on Sep 1, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree Shank. The guy breaks a couple of runs against the third and fourth stringers.

But most of his runs don’t go more than a few yards. There are plenty of better RBs that could go on our practice squad from other teams. Suggesting he makes it to our roster is a little out there IMO.

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by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

kind of reminds me of calhoun sometimes

although calhoun was timid and johnson, i think, is just too patient. needs to be more aggressive. i dont think hes a complete scrub, but def. not this year.

by haywood on Sep 1, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

would love J Bell

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saints might keep him

but why would they go into the season with: 1. Ingram 2. Thomas 3. Ivory 4. Bell 5. ? forgot – but I thought it was someone half-way decent. Plus they feature a FB and like TEs and Wrs…one of the RBs should be cut IMO

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They brought in Sproles

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by Bballkid-22 on Sep 1, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

I knew something wasn’t sitting right!

That’s WAY too many high quality backs to keep!

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

someones gonna get cut, or practice squad(maybe bell)

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by Bballkid-22 on Sep 1, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bell won't make it to their p.s though...

but a team higher on the waivers could claim him before us.

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, they could even roll with Bell

if they thought he had a high upside and kick Ovory out. I’d take him in a heartbeat!

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ivory's hurt.

He had hernia surgery in early August. Might not be ready to go for a while.

by Stephen02120 on Sep 1, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Ian even make the practice squad?

This is his 3rd year in the league…

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by tbl2020 on Sep 1, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

seems like its 2 or 3 main positions were its about depth not starters thats great news

QB- Cut/Trade Hill or Stanton keep Robinson. The kid hasnt lasted on 2 PS and he wont ours again. Stanton has come along far enough to keep him as a #2 and develop Robinson behind Stafford and Stanton. Hill can be cut and is expendable this year. I say cut because only way you work out a trade is w/ Hill or Stanton which w/ cuts happening teams wont be so fast to do so.

Saftey – Silva could easily beat out Wendling w/ a solid performance as that seems to be the camp battle currently going on for the 4th spot by most news outlets reporting. Wendlings injury has hampered his ability to compete properly. Could i see 5 back there sure could but most accounts say they wont.

Lb -Eke is out. I got a feeling that they will make sure that they keep mainly Levy and Tulloch on the field for most plays but will always have a combination of 2 of the 3 starters in rotating Carpenter and Palmer for most part while developing Hogue. Schwartz seems very high on him and if he gives a good showing tonight he’s roster bound.

OLine/TE- as i was posting this Gee Garold brought up the point about the LS position could it too be expendable this year to fill in another position on the Line? Until recent the FB position seemed to be a battle then bam Schwartz and Co. finally say you know what we dont need one. And i agree w/ the importance of one (LS) Im just saying could they actually be considering it? though i believe a position will go to TE to keep 4 as one injury and this team will lose depth there very quick.

ultimately I think the Lions need to make a move towards freeing up 2-3 positions by carrying 6 LB’s cutting the FB you free up 2 of those allowing for the 4th TE im seeing in place of the FB and the one LB cut goes to the Line or could go to the safety spot and carry Wendling, Coleman and Silva allowing Silva to develop as 4th spot but behind them while not loosing ST advantage then one of those two on the outs next year. Though i dont see 5 Safeties.

what scares me is this the Injury along the Line – yes Cherilus looks good and coming back to health but does it stay there? Backus one durable S.O.B w/ a torn pec muscle even if slight and now considered healed that tissue will be tender for awhile easy to tear again. Peterman had nagging injuries if they happen again …. nuff said .. Fox’s Foot this year and his knee last year … these injuries arent serious on top but takes while for these things to heal and get them right. Im all for trying to figure out 1 more lineman. Stafford has to stay protected and keep upright period. This is where that cut from the LB (7) should go to match that FB cut for the extra TE.

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by JaiGaiaAries on Sep 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you on the trading if a QB

In favor of Robinson. I also think that we only keep 6 Lbs with either eke or Palmer gone. But I do think give that Lbr up for an extra DB, either Vasher or my personal favorite, Silva. Reason being we have a history of accumulating injuries in the defensive backfield.

Although, so far my predictions have not bold well this off-season… so take it for what it’s worth.

Also, for the anti-LS league, that cut isn’t going to happen! No way, no how!

by slopes44 on Sep 1, 2011 11:06 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

You may be right

but it’s hard for me to justify cutting a pro bowl STer and backup MLB or a young OLB who shows a ton of flash and played well at times in a starting role…those 2 are certainly more talented than the guys who’d take their spot…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rames, I can't say I completely disagree with you, you make good points, but...

I just don’t see keeping 7 lbrs. Honestly, we’re fairly loaded in the special teams department. Therefore, I don’t see the love for Eke. And lets be honest. Our two middle Lbrs are Tull and Levy with Carp being plugged outside in case (god forbid) one of them goes down.

As many have alluded to, there will be some tough cuts, and I think we have too much potential talent at a variety of positions (OL, DB, TE, even QB) to justify keeping yet another ST’s Ace.

Name whoever it is you fear the most of being swiped from our practice squad and I wouldn’t be upset if we kept him over Eke.

Although, that does throws my theory out the window cuz at this stage he is who he is.

by slopes44 on Sep 1, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

agree our need for MLB is quite low

Durant could even play MLB if he needed to. 7 LBs in which several of the starters can play any position is a lot. Maybe Schwartz can’t justify it. I’m not sure. If it was me though, I’d keep the pro bowler…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

that was GREAT!

I’m not sure if that’s exactly how the convo went, but it was probably pretty close.

by Detroitfantc on Sep 1, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

What

The Will Heller?

Thanks, I’ll be here all week…

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by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Position-neutral philosophy" is classic!

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

couple of things:

i think either wendling OR eke make it, but not both. i could see silva squeaking in over wendling, but IMHO, coleman has been horrid and could be let go, and if that happens, i think eke goes and that spot goes to vasher

the only other thing i see is i think, even though he was an early cut, ballard ends up on the ps. a year of studying and practicing will do wonders. i think they’ve been actively trying to keep him under the radar to make that happen.

so my PS would look like this:
RB Ian Johnson, FB Matt Clapp, WR DeMario Ballard, C Dan Gerberry, LB Caleb Campbell, LB Cobrani Mixon, CB Prince Miller, and that last spot will either be robinson, hughes, or callaway. one player being taken, absolutely. 2 taken, theres a very good chance. 3? not likely.

by haywood on Sep 1, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe i should have thrown palmer in there also

palmer, eke, and wendling are pretty much just ST aces. i dont think they’ll keep all 3.

by haywood on Sep 1, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Palmer is much more than that

has shown by several quality starts last season…he’s very young still, so the upside could be very high IMO

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats why i didnt include him in my first list

because hes a better all around player. not quite as high on him as you are, but yeah, i get it.

by haywood on Sep 1, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the problem with adding another RB:

Remember how Harrison and Bell played in their first game? They needed time to adjust to running behind our line (and being tackled behind our line, but that’s a different comment). If we add another back from someone else’s cuts, it’ll take them time to adjust too. They probably wouldn’t be ready until week 3 or 4.

by mcivor on Sep 1, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Harrison and Bell werent in a NFL training camp....they came off the street

runningbacks aquired from any final cuts from this year will have gone through a training camp and can jump right in….the ONLY thing that would be more than a week adjustment is pass protection..and that is something you scout prior to signing a back…so it isn’t the same situation

You sign a guy that gets cut that has been battling for a job the last 6 week and you can plug them right in (again minus passing protection)….running plays aren’t so dynamic that you can’t coach them up on the running plays very quickly.

by Shankdiddy on Sep 1, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if it does take them a couple weeks

that’s not a big deal IMO. We can get by with Best, Brown and MoMo against TB and KC. I’d much rather have a better RB for 13 or 14 games then settling for a mediocre one for 16…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

 i licke your 53roster and ithink your wrong on the rb spot and safety ithink ricado silva mache the roster that why we our not carrying a full back on the roster this year ..as for rb i licke best and browen and logan as lockes to macke the team with moris and harrison as players who might not macke the roster if the the lions gm find a young big rb or vearen with more upside .

by kwfords on Sep 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I sure agree with you about Silva, some guys just seem to make plays. regardless where they played college ball. Is there any particular back you’d like to see us pick up?

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on the RB find

and depending on what type of runner and quality, Harrison and perhaps MoMo would be on the block (only MoMo if we need his salary to acquire the new RB IMO)

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

let play lions gm you have a chance upgrade your runing back spot with a few camp cut s teams licke new orlaeans and dallas// greenbay //bufalo all have rbs who would upgrade your rb s spot who might not macke thier roster .and yes i do licke moris but he is not a back up rb that can put anny fear in defensive team. he soild but has no speed and macks to munch money as a backup rb . as for harrision he is also a solid backup rb but does not have power i need to get short yard s ?.the player i licke the lions to pick up is grant from grreen bay if he cut yess he coming off injuery but hewould be huge upgrade as short yard back and as power back t

by kwfords on Sep 1, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmm, I see what you mean, if healthy Grant is a great role player, do you think the Pack lets him go?

Im kinda thinking we end up staying with who we’ve got. Jim shows an interesting penchant for ‘Dancing with what brung ya’

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayhew doesnt...

we brought in Logan and Phonze late last year…then added Lo Jack. I’d be quite surprised if we don’t bring at least one player in once the final cuts are made.

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps there is a difference in level of talent on the roster this year, no?

Plus, once the passing game gets unveiled in all its glory, I think we may see the opposing safeties with a whole lot more to worry about than stuffing the box on third down. We should be terrifying in short yardage situations with our ability to stretch the field anytime we choose to

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree Jeff.

It will be tougher to find cuts that are an upgrade over what we have and will still be available when it is our turn on the waiver wire. We are thirteenth on the list.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you like this Bell kid down in NO that seems to be 'RB de jour'?

Ive not seen him run a down but not a few folk seem to think he’s just the very thing we need.

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He played at Wayne State

He just fits more of our style IMO. He breaks arm tackles and gets north and south, but still has good burst… maybe he’s not an upgrade to Harrison, but Bell seems to fit what we need better and have a higher upside…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year we had 2nd dibbs on these cuts....now were relegated into filtering through the leavins.

Big difference between 2 and whatever we are 13-14?

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by delusional on Sep 1, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

per cbs draft report
nside: Well-developed upper and lower bodies give him strength to get tough yards inside. Sidesteps penetrating defenders, able to find a hole and accelerate to it. Presses the line but has the good vision to bounce a play outside when the B-gap closes. Will push the pile near the goal line and keep fighting for yards after contact.

Outside: Patient runner who could succeed in a zone scheme. Very good balance and will spin off a tackle or put his hand down to keep himself upright. Runs with the ball in either hand, although he can get a bit loose with it in the open field (four fumbles in ’09). Has the speed to get to the corner against Division II defenses but will have a harder time doing so against NFL competition. Lacks breakaway speed or a second gear once in the open, but smaller defenders have a tough time tracking him down without the perfect angle.

Breaking tackles: Strong runner in trash who keeps legs churning until he’s on the ground. Runs with a lean that prevents straight-on collisions and makes smaller defenders bounce off him. Tough for defensive backs to bring down in the open field and can leap over cut tackles. Can jump high over the pile near the goal line or dive into the end zone from a few yards out.

Blocking: Will need to prove himself in pass protection, as he has limited experience and hasn’t faced NFL-caliber defenders coming after quarterback. Effort is there, however, and he has the low center of gravity and strength to stand his ground.

Receiving: Usually catches the ball with his hands, although the pace on those passes isn’t NFL-caliber. Typically used on screens and throws into the flat, but is willing to run crossing patterns and make catches in traffic. Good vision and toughness after the catch, but faster, stronger NFL defenders will be more difficult to avoid in the open field.

Intangibles: Highly regarded among his teammates and coaches as an unselfish leader by example. Came from tough childhood in a very poor Michigan town to succeed. On schedule to graduate with a Criminal Justice degree.

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also rushed for over 2,000 yards in his last 2 seasons at WSU

Woodhead was one of the last who won the same trophy as him…

His 50 yards rushing and 90-some yard receiving the other night was impressive…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, yes

but has anyone seen him run a down against an NFL defense? No offense to the good alumni of Wayne State and their worthy, is it division three now? opponents.

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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 1, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

has looked good in preseason

and plenty a team have been chomping at the bit to have him but preseason against backups does not = regular…so I hear ya. I just mainly like his ability to be physical and fall forward.

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

this year is different

and I agree with our ability to stretch the field and it’s impact on short yardage situations (see the 30 yard loft to Burleson on Saturday). With MoMO being very good at taking what’s given him, you may be right – and I freaking hope so! I just never say that Mayhew is finished…he never stops tinkering!

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been kind of lukewarm on the idea of Grant but it’s been growing on me. I also find the idea of Maroney kind of tempting.

I guess we’ll see our options when everyone cuts down to 53 guys. I’m pretty sure the Lions are scoping out some options already, but I can’t think of who else is gonna be cut to make room. I honestly think we run five: Best, Brown, MoMo, Harrison, and then the question mark that’ll probably be brought in for the regular season.

by Mavyrk on Sep 1, 2011 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seems like Joique Bell might be cut

He might be an upgrade – at least he runs with more power!

I don’t think Grant is going anywhere seeing he’s the best RB they have and already paid him some nice roster bonus $ (plus they don’t make moves often at all…).

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Bell gets cut until Ivory is healthy.

He’s expected to be placed on the PUP list for the start of the season while recovering from hernia surgery.

by Stephen02120 on Sep 1, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Lions are really interested in Bell, they may need to make a trade.

I just don’t see them getting him through waivers. Does anyone really think that Mayhew would engineer a trade to pick up Joique?

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

DWill for Bell......Get it done Martin.

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by delusional on Sep 1, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey NorhLeft12...

Thanks for the history lesson here, on the Great LS Debate, NorthLeft12. Yes, I remember Raiola’s difficulty in long snaps, but who is considered the back-up LS? I’m not saying that it is an unimportant position, but is the idea for having one player, whose sole responsibility is to snap, to cut down the chances for injury? I’m not trying to open up a new debate, which has been covered previous to my appearance here, but there are only so many spots, and a team can lose valuable talent elsewhere, which it has invested in. At one time, players who performed kicking duties was not a sole specialized position, and often starters on the field, like Jim Martin, Paul Hornung, and Wayne Walker; players who didn’t miss many games. I don’t recall, but perhaps rosters were smaller then.

Perhaps I’m guilty of trying to fit players in whom I don’t want to part with. Actually, I was hoping to see Dominic Raiola make the Pro Bowl as the LS. LOL

by Gee Garold Lembach on Sep 1, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Dom is the back up.

Just remember that the guy who is the 53rd player on the roster is not likely to play a lot anyways because you can only dress 46 players for the game.

The Lions have really not invested a lot in Silva, Stovall, and some of the other guys on the fringe.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

me wants some Stovall!

He clearly doesn’t have very good speed, but he’s a veteran who knows how to use his size to create seperation for the ball and has shown good hands thus far. Could be deadly in the red zone when they put their 3rd CB on him…

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by rames on Sep 1, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stovall has played well, but let's be honest here....

..if he makes the roster, do you see him suited up much on gameday? Unless there are injuries to another WR or two, I think Stovall will be doing a lot of watching.
Don’t get me wrong, I think he deserves to make the team and will be good depth at WR, but he will not be suited up to terrorize the opponent in the red zone.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 1, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he will play in certain situations

Mostly in garbage time, but I think he will see the field if he makes the team.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
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by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, who do you think will be the seven guys who sit out most games?

My thoughts are that Davis will be ahead of Stovall. Stovall will get suited up if one of the WRs are injured. Which based on history might be about six or eight games.

I see Culbreath and Fox being two more of the 53 who will only suit up due to injury.
If we carry five safeties, one of them will not dress, and most likely one of the LBs and CBs will watch. The last sitter will probably be Stanton as I don’t think you need to dress three QBs anymore.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 2, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

I don’t remember anyone not dressing for games unless they were injured…

I think in certain scenarios, with special packages, Stovall could get in the mix because he has both size and speed…plus he seems to be sure handed. Culbreath and Fox won’t play unless there is an injury, that much I agree with.

I can name 8 guys that will likely not play at all unless there are injuries. I would say Hill, Stanton, Fox, Hilliard, Culbreath (if he makes it), Willie Young, and the 4th and 5th CBs (whoever they may be). The rest of them will at least play special teams, and maybe even the CBs mentioned will. It is really hard to say.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, you are missing my point.

Since you can only dress 46 of the 53 on the roster every week, seven must sit out. Barring injury some players will be sitting most of the year. My guess is that Stanton, Stovall, Fox, Fluellen, Mclendon, and the fifth CB [McDonald once Alphonso is healthy] will probably not dress for most of the games.The other guy will depend on who is banged up and who is not playing well.
For game one, I would not be surprised if Fairley is not dressed due to his lack of practicing. Same for Mo Morris. If Morris is dressed, then Williams may sit if he is not up to speed.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 5, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add Maroney?

He’s a FA now, and been cleared of the majiuana charges. He’s only 26, with little mileage, and has to have a chip of his shoulder. He has a couple workouts scheduled. Is it too late for the Lions to bring him in for a look? This would be a total crapshoot, but one of the other RBs could lay an egg tonight.

by Gee Garold Lembach on Sep 1, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Felton to the Panthers

he didnt take long to clear waivers as the Eagles and Vikings were also in the hunt for a FB.

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by JaiGaiaAries on Sep 1, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Maroney was a thought of mine too

He may have something to prove.

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by Knuckle Deep on Sep 1, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe Callaway beats out Flu.

Flu’s versatility is a huge benefit to him though. So far I think Silva beats out Wendling or Coleman. Agree totally that Logan will be listed as an RB and will probably get reps at RB over WR.

Overall, you did a very solid job with this, Sean.

by x$pcents IV on Sep 1, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

what about Joe Jon Finley?

if Heller is H-back does this open up a slot for him to eventually replace Scheffler’s role.

by x$pcents IV on Sep 1, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of this Sean...

But not all of it.

I think the Lions will cut Hogue and keep Vasher, and I think they will cut Donahue and keep Harris. My feeling on the punter topic is that, overall, Nick Harris is the better punter/holder, and as long as Jason Hanson is our kicker, Nick Harris’ job is safe.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Sep 1, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw it this game too

But I’m not so sure that means much. Hey…if the coaches think this kid is better than Harris, I will support their decision. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with it…lol.

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have only one thing to add Sean...

I have not seen the Lions activate Phonz yet. I really think they plan to PUP him which will delay the decision on one roster spot for six weeks. In that case you could see either Vasher or Silva make the team in his spot. It gives the Lions six weeks to see if an injury happens to one of the defensive backs that will put somebody on IR, while still having a long term plan to back fill for the injury. If nobody gets hurt then the Lions will have to make a decision.

My guess is that the Lions would keep Vasher over Silva in this scenario if they feel Silva can squeak through waivers on final cuts. I think he has a better chance of sneaking through when there are about a thousand guys cut with him than if he is one of only a few cuts when people come off PUP.

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by TuffLynx on Sep 1, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

That is an excellent point and idea Tuff

+1

If one of these guys can't take us to the promised land, maybe we should shop for one. You can have the greatest running back of all time, but if you don't have a consistent quarterback, you don't win.
-Wayne Fontes

by KDawg on Sep 2, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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