Grade Jim Schwartz - September 2011
The last time Pride of Detroit readers graded Lions head coach Jim Schwartz (in February), 52 percent of the votes were for a B and 41 percent were for an A. Unlike the most recent time readers graded Martin Mayhew, the options in the poll were not broken down beyond the simple letter grades.
This time around readers can give Schwartz an A+, B- and so on. I will be interested to see if things change at all with more options being available, and I will also be interested to see if the Week 1 victory and what has happened since February affects the numbers at all.
Make sure to vote in the poll below and leave your thoughts in the comments. My thoughts can be found after the jump.
I gave Schwartz a B grade throughout last season and in the February poll. This time I am bumping his grade up to a B+. I had a tough time resisting the A- option because I do feel like Schwartz is on his way to earning a higher grade. The key phrase there is "on his way," though. Schwartz is close to getting into the A range for me, but I need to see the Lions sustain some success this season before I go any higher than a B+.
Hopefully in a month when we do this poll again I will have no issue giving Schwartz something in the A range. The Lions have the chance to get off to a great start, so it certainly wouldn't surprise me if the next edition of "Grade Jim Schwartz" results in a big swing toward the A range if the Lions keep winning.
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I think coach is doing a phenomenal job
I gave him a B. Room for improvement and like he says, we haven’t accomplished anything yet.
1 game 1 win
Hard not to give him an A, but no A+ yet. I’d say based on his own comments the team isn’t in A+ territory yet.
by Big Z in Orlando on Sep 14, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions
I think in terms of practice, team dynamics, and being a leader he’s doing a great job. My only concern is some of the conservative playcalling (which I realize is not only up to him) while we’re in the lead. Even so, I gave him an A.
3 short years ago we were an abomination
Now we are respected. I wouldnt have believed it was possible, if I hadnt seen it myself.
A
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
Solid B
for the reason Jeff stated above. When we get to the SB then we can consider an A.
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by Justan Oldfart on Sep 14, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions
B+
Overall great job, playoffs will earn A status.
Expectations don't produce!
by 2manyears on Sep 14, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Stupid Penalties and letting the Buce back in the game do not earn an A for me.
19-0
by StaffordSuperBowlMVP on Sep 14, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I am right there with you!
The coaches don’t get an A until we make the playoffs. They don’t deserve an A+ unless we win the Super Bowl. Caoaching is all about results.
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A
I would have given him an A-, but he got on the cases of some players that made bad plays (penalties), and I don’t think they will do that again.
Solid road win, I mean come on? I think we will find the Bucs as an over 500 team by the end of the year, and we will look at this win as a big win by end of season.
$.02
Game on!
has the lions headed in the right direction
however, needs to clean up the penalties and the sittin on leads crap. the tampa game should have been a blowout. know your strengths. watch the patriots.thats the measuring stick.
by California Dillon's on Sep 14, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
Pats
After watching that Monday night game, the Pats really keep the pressure on all game. The preseason game this year reminded me a bit of the Thanksgiving game last year when Lions were leading at half time. It’s hard to imagine the Lions being able to hold off the Pats for a complete game, especially after what we saw against Tampa.
B+
Can’t go A when he keeps trying to ice the damn kicker, but he’s already one of the better coaches out there; just needs to show it in the win column. Glad he’s ours, though.
by xxxxNateDaGreat on Sep 14, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
i gave him an A+ because some fans are worried about icing the kicker
instead of hoping the games are blacked out so we could see some better football
by redwingxviii on Sep 14, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Amen.
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B+
4th Q malaise was a bit worrisome, lets get a few more games under the W column.
B+
Same reasons as Sean. If those dumb mistakes seem to vanish – an A will be coming shortly…
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A-
I think looking back on where we were after the season of tears to now, the change is remarkable. He has done a great job changing the culture and attitude of the team. I am not giving him the A or A+ yet because of the nagging issues we are still seeing on the team (i.e. stupid penalties, etc) and the fact we haven’t gotten to see this team perform over the course of a whole season. However, if he can clean up the mistakes and make a playoff push (especially the latter), I will be more than happy to up his grade to an A
B-........Really?
Some of you guys must think he has way more talent to work with than I do.
Whoever gave him a D+
explain yourself, inquiring minds want to know why.
by Hiyawn_Lions24twenty on Sep 14, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
explanation
he is probably a Bears fan
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by Twincities88 on Sep 14, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like we have an upset Bucs fan too...
I see someone voted an F
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A
From turning this team in the right direction to instilling the right kind of attitude. W’s will increase grade to A+.
As for the concern over the conservative play calling in the 4th, I believe is was more Mother Nature related than feeling comfortable with the lead. Think of Stafford in mid-throw and both legs seize up bringing him to the ground and the pass goes errant into the hands of the defense. Or we can think of our D-Backs going stride for stride in press coverage only to cramp up when the ball is on the way and be taken out of the play. Those of us who’ve experienced heat cramps know those are just two of many possible scenarios we could have witnessed. Had it been a little closer, I don’t think they would have pressed their luck as early, but being there was a bit of a cushion, so to speak, the coaching staff decided to ere on the side of caution.
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A-
Some stupid penalties @Tampa. That partially falls on him.
Still love Coach though. He’s going to lead this team to respectability and maybe more.
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the thing about polls like this...
is that you are grading the job the person is doing with what he has, and NOT compared to some end-goal standard. same with mayhew. you have to grade him on what he has done with his opportunities, NOT the amount of talent on this team currently.
Jim has done a great job. this is a real team. players play for each other. they are efficient. he manages the game fairly well. the only real criticism i have is that he has the guys playing past the edge of control. the players get caught up in the moment and do some dumbass things. they let their aggression get the better of them. he needs to do a better job of getting them to control themselves. A-
B+
I think he’s doing a great job. Considering what he inherited, this team has come a long way. The intensity is a whole different world then what it was.
The only reason i didn’t give an A- is because I thought we were way too conservative in the second half Sunday. I think we should have stayed with what they were doing and had that “Go for the throat” attitude a little longer or at least for one more TD drive before we put on the brakes and ried to run out the clock.
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by BarryStillRules on Sep 14, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
B+
It’s still too early to grade the coach or the team. I like what I see. We’re heading in the right direction, but only time will tell whether Schwartz and the players are capable of being in the upper tier of NFL teams. A better time to grade anyone in this league is after the first 8 games and the end of the season. One test does not make a semester.
by Parrothead Mike on Sep 14, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
B+
We are going in the right direction, but I will lay some of the blame for the errors in the Bucs game at his feet.
I still do not like going totally conservative when we have the lead in the fourth. If the opponents sell out against the run, burn them with the pass. I think you will see that later in the season, they will trust Stafford and his receivers to make those plays. I don’t think they are there yet.
I believe I gave him an A last time, but I am raising the bar a lot for the Lions this season. All of them.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
B
I like what he has done, and I acknowledge that in past years he has had little to work with, but that also makes it hard to grade him. For me really I will not know until this season and next season. For the first time in a long time the Lions are expected, not by media, not my fans, but by themselves and the coaches, to be a winning team and challenge for the playoffs.
Therefore should they make the playoffs my grade for him goes to B+ / A- material. Should they win a playoff game he gets an A+ for sure.
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A-
He and Mayhew took over the most dysfunctional outfit in the league and now we are not only talking playoffs, but out winning road games against teams with winning records the previous years. We have players and attack plans on both offense and defense that you can actually get excited about.
There are a few things that need to get cleaned up like penalties and some playcalling here and there, but Jim also knows that as well. His handling of the post-game (post WINNING game) presser shows he gets it. That’s all I need to know. This team is getting close to where we all have been dreaming it could be….. can you say “NFL Coach of the Year”? Put it in the bank………..
A
For the simple fact we opened the season on the road with a win against a 10 win team that we had just played last year on the road. This shows the consistency that I have been looking for in a Lions team for some time now. Also, we didn’t need overtime to do it. He starts with an A, but there are screws to be tightened or his grade will drop.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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A D+ and a F.
I’m an open person who believes I can see both sides of an arguement, but REALLY!!! If a true Lions fan voted this way, I would like to hear an objective arguement explaining why they believe in this rationale!
A-
Only because of the ridiculous attempt to “ice” the kicker. Wish that was illegal. Seems to backfire way more often than it is successful.
That rug really tied the room together.
B+
I can’t give him an A until he starts really finishing opponents off. I don’t like going into prevent mode when we’re only ahead by two scores, especially with how good Staff looked most of the game. I’d have liked to see him pull a Brady.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Couldn't agree more.
Brutal watching them go into prevent mode when it does not suit their strengths at all.
A-
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He looks like some sort of special ed student after running a 35 second 100 yard dash.
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A
A+ if he sends Gos’s ass packing. I’m so sick of seeing that idiot get called for the dumbest penalties week after week. He is a drive killer and Hilliard could be just as good without the mental issues IMO
A
I think it’s a long season and lots can (and will) happen. But to think that he has coached 33 games since the team had gone 0-16 and we are already talking playoffs, being called “heavy favorites” in games, getting the media’s attention definitely, and selling out games quickly…..how can you NOT give him an A? Obviously, we have room to grow and improve yet. But the road to success has been vastly shortened, thanks to him and the front office. We have talented players with incredible hearts in every position. Let’s see where this can go and have fun with it.
USE THE SCHWARTZ!!!
A-
I was happy when he was hired, knowing his coaching background. He had a few growing pains the first year but I think the Jets game thought him how to be a coach and he’s been top notch ever since.
Besides, I just love the staff he’s put together.
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by delusional on Sep 14, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
B+
All this is nice but playoffs is where it’s at. Until then it can’t be bumped up to an A
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by TheForceOfFollett on Sep 14, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
The D+ and F must be Bears fans, all I have to say to that is.....
You can suck my Ditka! Yeah that is right, all 2 inches of it. If it was my Calvin’s Johnson it would be much more impressive!
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Whoa!
You forgot the no homo! lol
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B
Not ready to go higher yet because:
1. The discipline problem is still lingering. I mean, we talked about this all last year, and so did the players, and the coaches, so why are we still talking about it now?
2. Still relying a little too much on the same guys as last year to move the offense (Calving, Burl, Grew, and most especially trying to run Best up the middle). I want to see them spread the ball around a bit more to Harrison, Scheffler, and Stovall. That doesn’t mean I’m complaining about the win!
If we get a couple more wins, take out the Vikings and Bears, I’ll be ready to grade up.
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A-
I’m not buying the argument that you don’t get into the A range until you make the playoffs. I look at the hand that Schwartz was dealt when he first arrived and what he’s done with it. It’s unfair to compare him to other coaches that have had – at least until now – a lot more to work with.
Of course, now the Lions have expectations. They looked sharp during the preseason and, at times, dominant in the season opener. They won their game on the road against a good young team that was 10-6 last year. And they weren’t satisfied. Schwartz was furious at the end of that game. And the players were disappointed that they didn’t finish strongly. That’s the exact attitude I want and expect from a winning team. The mentality of this franchise has definitely changed, which is something that only a quality coach could have accomplished.
I didn’t like the conservative play-calling at the end of the game, but I also wonder if the extreme heat didn’t impact what they were trying to do. I am, however, disappointed by the lack of discipline still shown by this team. Judging by Schwartz’s words after the game, he is too. I expect that to change, but until it does that’s the reason for the A-. Against better teams, mental lapses will prove costly.
A
Considering the product he had to work with when he first got here to where he has brought it. Plus, his no excuses attitude and he is a Iron maiden fan. Love the guy.
A- coulda been an A
What is not to like? a few miscalls here or there. This staff is a superior staff that has already proven thier worth. The Team is the creation of the front office and coaches, whats not to like?
These guys can be criticized game to game but being a critic about some detail or another does not change the fact that the teams culture has changed for the better.
i just listend to a rant on talk radio KC about how the lions are the dregs of the NFL for 20 some years…..blah blah blah…people who are not looking, have no clue how this team has changed.
I even bought 2 H Blue shirts so I can walk around KC way ahead of the curve…
When this thing gets really going it will be Hot in Detroit….
When you here Detroit fans that show no appreciation for this staff, they’ve given up.
time to end that shit.
and remember there are KC Fans praying to god " if Detroit dont want em please send them to KC.
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He got a B from me for several reasons....
Some fols here are giving Jim Schwartz an A just because they are giddy with the team coming together. Since when is putting a competent team on the field any more than the expectation that should be placed on any coach? Yes, we have had some horrible coaches in the past in Detroit., but giving Schwartz an A is not justified by the fact that past coaches deserved an F.
What Schwartz has accomplished to this point is exactly what the Lions have paid him to do, no more and no less. For that he deserves a C grade, not an A. I mark him up to a B because of his ability to create a chemistry with the players and because of how he handles the press.
Until Jim Schwartz wins some games by out-coaching the other guy, and until he takes his team to the playoffs, he will remain at a B in my eyes.
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I see your point, Tuff....
but with what he’s had to work with, I think he has really come in and changed the culture completely. That is on the coaches. I gave him an A- and some of that is due to what I think the Lions are going to do this year… which is probably unfair and a bit premature. I just see where this team has been and the direction it is headed… and yes, I do see some progress on his game day adjustments and decision-making over the last 6-8 games or so. I think he gives us an advantage. I know that many don’t, but I think he is a well-prepared coach that can adapt during games.
A
I have to grade him based on past and current performance. All the talk about “Can’t get an A til playoffs/super bowl” is hogwash, tell me how any coach is supposed to get playoffs/super bowl in week 1 of the regular season?
This isn’t a grade on potential, it’s a grade on right now. In 200I our GPA was probably in the 0.2 range. Schwartz has consistently elevated the performance, expectations, and culpability of this team in great strides since he’s been here. And how to you raise a GPA out of the gutter quickly? By getting As.
I’m not giving him an A+ because of some reasons mentioned, everything’s still not perfect, but he absolutely deserves an A grade in my mind.
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by Mavyrk on Sep 14, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
In 2008 rather.
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by Mavyrk on Sep 14, 2011 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Solid B
Get my boy jahvid best some run blocking then we can bump it up
by Shady313 on Sep 14, 2011 9:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A-
Can’t tell if my grade comes in comparison to past coaches… BUT the thing that I love about Schwartz is that he sticks to his roots. In two years time, he has upgraded his defense to look like the mean, tough defense that he coached in TN a few years back. No more soft defensemen with weak tackling skills.
My only negative thoughts come on clock management towards the ends of the game, even though that is Linehan’s territory. I wish the Lions would not drastically change their strategy when they have a lead with 5-10 min left in the final quarter. Too often have the Lions been leading by 7-14 points in the 4th and reverted to a running, conservative offense only to see their lead diminish. Stick to your gameplan!! Worry about the clock when there is less than 5 minutes.
B
I believe that until the team sustains wins regardless of the atmosphere this is a fair grade based on the opinions already stated above, but not because of the playoff thought process. He does have a way of getting team chemistry together and working w/ skill sets thats available except for now he has enough to field a team that should and can challenge for the division barring key injuries. Anything less this year keeps him at a B. The game itself is on the players to perform and you cant fault him entirely but its up to the coach to teach consistency.
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B+
The team has been going in the right direction for a while now, 5 straight regular season wins, but you can still see the things that plague the team the most still relevant in games (penalties, lack of coverage, etc.) That’s not necessarily my reason for not giving away an A. In my book, he’ll earn an A when we start playing more games like we did against St. Louis last year.
We probably won’t be beating down teams 44-6 every game, but with offense, defense, and special teams playing their asses off, that’s what we should expect this talented team to do every game.
I gave him a C+
but after reading all your comments, I would if I could, change my grade to a B-.
I am not at all impressed with the play calling in the second half of this last game and that hurt his grade with me. I realize he is not the O coor but he is the O coor’s boss and he needs to call him out in instances like that.
Before anyone bashes me for my grade. Remember, I was ready to have his ass fired last season when we were 2-10. This is a huge jump in faith from me concerning him.
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How do you call the O coordinator out for that?
“Uh, yeah. Linny? I know this is working and all, but um, could you try and pretty it up for us? The boys back home want to masturbate to this game.”
You can’t fix what’s not broken. The play calling may have been chickenshit, but it worked. What caused it to almost fail was execution, and you better believe Schwartz is going to tighten that up.
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You walk up to him
During one of the breaks and tell him he needs to be a little more aggressive. The fact is, that never happened which makes me believe the play calling was JS approved. TB is a good YOUNG team, not experienced enough to take advantage of us letting off the gas. Experienced teams will not burn up their chances to make a run at us in a close game like TB did. They will take advantage of our fear and make us pay for it.
When you have a team lying down and you have your cleats on their throats, you crush them. This is a brutal game. Not a game for playing nice or scared. Schwartz and his conservative style of coaching was one of my problems with him last year. A lot of people thought his style was more to so with healthy players than a style of coaching last year. I am of the opinion he is conservative by nature.
To be fair to JS, the NFL is an extremely high pressure environment for a coach. No one is more visible than the head coach and his coor’ds. Being relatively conservative is how all the really great coaches started at one time or another. I just hope, I really mean this, that he learns to trust his players. tying a 30 pound weight to your play makers for the better part of the second half is not going to win you many games when they really count.
To be fair to JS a second time. He let Linny call a gutsy play on 4th down that resulted in a TD for CJ from Staff. It was the best call to be made in that instance and I was so proud of him and the coaching staff at that very moment. Of course, all that goodwill died when they started playing like a rabbit hiding in its hole from the big bad wolf.
There are signs of his breaking out of that conservative mold. I just hope he is able to do so before he costs us games late in the season when the playoffs are on the line.
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I don't get it, though.
The prevent D is all about trust. Playing to run the clock out is about trust that the OL and RBs can get the job done. It’s very obvious from the play calling that he trusts his players. From where I stand, putting the gas on firmly would have been more fearful than letting the gas off a little and playing smart ball control, it would have shown that he’s afraid that the “young team” could do it. We weren’t playing GB, or NE, or anyone like that. We hit them in the mouth, we contained them, and then we said “do something about it.” And they couldn’t.
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I just do not see it that way
It was scared tentative football, IMHO.
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