Lions Vs. Chiefs: Five Questions With Arrowhead Pride
To get ready for Sunday's game, I exchanged five questions with Joel Thorman of Arrowhead Pride, SB Nation's Kansas City Chiefs blog. My answers to his questions can be found later today on AP, and his answers to my questions are below.
1. The Chiefs' Week 1 blowout loss really caught Lions fans off guard. Were Chiefs fans just as stunned over what happened against the Bills?
Stunned is an understatement. I think a lot of people in KC knew that the Bills weren't as bad as their 4-12 record last year but 41-7? Wow. Just wow. Some fans are going through a meltdown in KC and, while it's just one game, the Chiefs have been outscored 102-24 in their last three games. In general, the fan base figured the Chiefs were going to be a team on the cusp of the playoffs or, at worst, a seven-win team. We didn't expect 41-7 at all.
2. What is the feeling in Kansas City about the Lions? Going into Detroit's Week 1 matchup with the Bucs, a lot of Tampa Bay fans wrote off the Lions' chances of winning because of how much hype they received during the preseason. Is the feeling similar amongst Chiefs fans, or do they view the Lions as a team that has in fact taken a step in the right direction?
I think most of us feel the Lions are legit. The Chiefs really struggle against teams with good to great defensive lines and the Lions are right up there in that conversation. The offensive line has been a question mark so to say that we're concerned about what DT Ndamukong Suh will do to Matt Cassel and Co. would be a bit of an understatement. Frankly, I'm very worried about it. In addition to that, the QB Matthew Stafford to WR Calvin Johnson connection, as well as your tight ends, is worrisome as well with S Eric Berry out for the year.
3. Much has been made about Matt Cassel's performances as of late and if he is good enough to someday lead the Chiefs to a championship. Do you think he is the answer, or should the Chiefs look to go in a different direction at quarterback in the future?
Tough to tell. There aren't a lot of encouraging signs but the way this team is built -- run first -- takes the edge off a little bit. QB Matt Cassel had some big games last year but he hasn't consistently demonstrated he can put the team on his back and lead them to victory. Does he need to do that? That's debatable but I think that's usually what you think of when talking about a quarterback that can lead you to a Super Bowl.
4. How tough will it be for the Chiefs to replace safety Eric Berry?
Impossible. They won't replace him. He played every single defensive snap for the Chiefs last year and his versatility gives the team a lot of options in the secondary. For example, I don't know how they're going to cover the Lions tight ends on Sunday. The Chiefs have a pair of journeymen behind him -- Jon McGraw and Sabby Piscitelli -- so they're never going to fully replace his production. They can, however, minimize the impact of his loss, though I have plenty of concerns over whether that can happen.
5. What are you expecting to happen on Sunday? A close game? A blowout for the Lions? A Chiefs upset?
Well, as a fan, I want to see my team pull out an upset. I think the Chiefs are capable of that but I'm basing that on gut feel, not on what they showed us last week. If Charles can get 15-20 carries, I'd feel a lot better about the Chiefs chances. That said, if I were putting money on this game, I wouldn't pick the Chiefs.
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Great write up
I really appreciate the time you guys take to do things like this ! been reading for yrs here just had not signed up ! That is until a few weeks ago. seems like everytime I go away and sign back on theres another new article .
The KC fans have been just great ! iam a Lions fan thru and thru 50+ yrs . So when I say this iam saying it as a Lions fan . IMHO the KC fans are taking a shovel to there team way to soon . I just hope we don’t go into Sunday looking past them . But then the coach we have now won’t let them .
Good luck to both teams injury free Sunday and may the LIONS WIN …… KC can start winning week 3 :)
They play at San Diego in Week 3
KC will lose that game too, look for 0-3 for those guys.
by SanDiegoMick on Sep 16, 2011 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well
KC is the type of team to beat SD. McCluster could break one and SD seems to play down at times – especially early in the season…
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KC Definitely has my vote as the best opposing team fans
Pretty knowledgeable, not any smack talk BS, no epeens or egos, just plain and simple football talk and a willingness to look at the game objectively and not be overly slappy about it.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
by Evilsmurf on Sep 16, 2011 5:05 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Speaking of that, where is our resident butt hurt Bucs fan?
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Damn Smurf, that's harsh dude
Buc Fan was a pretty cool cat, let’s show him some love man.
by SanDiegoMick on Sep 16, 2011 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
harsh smurf
The bucs fans did a bit of trash talking, but nothing over the top. Bucfan said he would be in here if they lost and take his lickings and he did. In fact it turns out he is a solid guy. They expected to win, we would have done the same.
by chaunce on Sep 16, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah man
No reason for that shit. He had the balls to come back in after the game and say the better team won.
I swear some of you guys got some brass balls all of a sudden since we’ve (apparently) turned the corner.
Don’t be a douche.
The word douche seems to be making a sudden come back lately.
It can’t be a sign of good things to come.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
According to Michael Jordan
the main source should be Sommer’s Eve
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Agreed
I’ve also been very impresed with the community over at Arrowhead Pride.
They do an article about who they would take from the opposition
If they were able to poach one person from the other team. Obviously many people find Suh to be a legend in the making so he is an easy choice. But I was surprised when I read the comments how many people were for taking Stafford. Some voiced injury concerns but they know it takes a good quarterback to win and believe Stafford’s abilities are top notch.
by Northern Lite on Sep 16, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
that's because a lot of us believe Stafford is a lot better than Cassel ... seeing is believing, right?
even though Stafford isn’t “there” yet he seems to be light years ahead of Cassel already … he and Bradford are going to be the “next generation” Brady and Manning
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'd say that's because they're from a Midwest town that isnt Chicago. Midwesterners are the most down to earth people
When Dominic Raiola jumps in a lake he doesn't get wet. The water gets Raiola'd.
by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Sep 16, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
That’s what makes Detroit such a safe and happy city.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Smurf ... I'd rec that comment but as a Chiefs fan it would be too "egotistical" on my part
I will, however, say THANK YOU! … and right back at you … Drew and Mavryk and a few others have been over to AP this week and it’s been a fabulous experience
Lions are going to be one VERY good football team VERY soon … count on it
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Well IMHO
This game is gonna be a rout. As the KC writer indicated, they struggle against good D-Lines, uh well ours is pretty good, no? I think we will grow immensely from the TB Game and improve greatly and have more of a killer instinct.
I look for Staff and Co. to have a strong Offensive showing, they better, cause I’ll be their in my cousins Private Box watching it live, it will be my 1st time in Ford Field, I cannot wait to be there.
Saturday I’ll be at the U-M rout over EMU, Tigers should be clinching also this weekend and I get to celebrate it it in Detroit, how cool is that?
Go Tigers, Go Wolverines and Go Lions!!!
congrats!
would love to be in a box (haven’t before!). Wish I was going to this one!
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/golf clap
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Geting ready for my flight
But had to read some comments 1st. That’s pretty funny Smitty, I guess I should’ve said private suite for rames sake. huh?
by SanDiegoMick on Sep 16, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that place is gonna be rockin
ur gonna have a helluva time
"Lakers in 4, Pistons cant score" - NBA Analysis. Jokes on you!
"In Mayhew we trust"
Thank you Kris Draper and Chris Osgood for all the memori
by Bballkid-22 on Sep 17, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh do you mean celebrate in a bar or celebrate by going to the game
because they should wrap up the AL central in Oakland
Excellent post. One more questions...
Should Todd Haley be replaced?
no
but I’m a Chiefs fan and therefore biased …
hey, it’s very early in his “career” as HC … and his first time as HC … did well last year, and any team will have ups and downs over time … that’s not even a question worth considering right now, least of all one game into a season following labor unrest and issues
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I live in Kansas City
And I’ll tell you what, things have been crazy out here the past week. It seems to me that this is the key game for both teams to prove themselves.
-Dan
RIP Tom 'Killer' Kowalski.
You will never be forgotten and will be greatly missed by Lions fans, friends, and family worldwide.
agree
KC needs to bounce back and prove the ceiling hasn’t caved. Lions need to show they’re for real and protect their turf. If they lose when most are projecting a win, this early in the season – it will conjure up a lot of doubts among non-lions fans…
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It would conjure up some doubts in me
Love the Lions but this should be a coming out party for us.
by Northern Lite on Sep 16, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and if my Chiefs don't at least play with some effort and hustle, it's going to cause a lot of doubts among Chiefs fans
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
This game is actually really important
I’ve been watching the Lions for a long, long time – long enough to remember several times when they were ‘up and comers.’ And every single time they were supposed to be on the rebound, this was the game they lost: they’re favored, playing an injured team on the decline, and bam! they lose 45 – 13.
So, for me, this game is one of the most important of the year. If they can go out there and do what they should do, then this really is a new Lions. If they don’t get it done, then hello 6-10, hello S.O.L.
I don't agree with your 6 and 10 assessment.....
But I’ve been saying all week that this is the game for the Lions to prove to me that they truly have thrust the monkee off their back of stupid Lions teams of the past.
If they beat KC in a convincing manner which I see no reason why they shouldn’t, then I will never associate this Lions team with the abortions of the past again.
Schwartz has their heads in a good place I do believe.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on Sep 16, 2011 9:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if they lose this game, then hello 1-1
by redwingxviii on Sep 16, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sabby Piscatelli?
Might just be my new favorite NFL name.
Sorry C.J. Ah You…
Cassel reminds me more of a game managing QB than one that is going to be explosive. His hype was based off of the system in NE and the fact he was able to help them to a 11-5 record. Well that is the Patriots we are talking about and he did little more than help his team not lose the season. I think thats why his play since has been in question as people saw him as a possible new franchise QB, I think he can still develop as one but no doubt he needs a strong run game behind him to be successful as a Game Manager.
A coward dies a thousands Deaths a soldier dies once ....
precisely what Cassel is ... game manager who needs strong running game
we Chiefs fans hope to get that this week … if not it’s gonna be a long, long day at Ford Field for us
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It will be a close game...
I’m figuring something like 38-3… Lions.
by Gee Garold Lembach on Sep 16, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
So...
Miss Charlie Weiss yet? KC fans are decent because the peole who live in that area are also pretty decent. Kudos.
I'm a fan of the KC fans
Really smart group of people. Love when we get to play a team with a solid, smart fanbase.
I concede we probably won't win this game.
The only decent thing for you to do is to beat all of the other AFC West teams. ; )
Should have asked a question about...
The departure of Charlie Weis and its effect on the team.
by Preseason Champs on Sep 16, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions
ask again at the end of the season
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Hey, I got a question for somebody. Not that Im complaining at all, but
I joined AP this morning to join in the fun and I didnt have to wait the 24 hrs, got waived right on in. I assume its because the sites get along so well and not my winning personality, unassailable opinions and titanic knowledge of the game. LOL
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Oh Jeff....where to begin
I assume its because the sites get along so well and not my winningpersonality
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
LOL, well played, Sir
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you by chance have adonis DNA and Tiger Blood?
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Hmm, dna is 80% Homo Sapien and 20% Anunnaki same as all of us.
Not many tigers in Norway and Luxembourg, so I would say probably not. I think there used to be a European bobcat, so maybe some of that. It gets mighty boring during the winter in Norway and I wouldnt put much past my crazy wood chopping ancestors.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I smell a name change coming
EuropeanbobcatJeff
Dig it
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
I know he'll like this one
RedWingsJeff
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Yeah
He must have lost a bet.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
HAHAHA at least they are’nt vancouver that sore sack of shit organization. Their fans blow ass! I can honestly say I dont quite understand this love for the Hab’s alot of my friends also have..
Wow, I leave to represent over at AP and I find my bretheren
besmirching my (formerly) good name. Damn.
I happen to be a Habs fab because I grew up in the desert and dont know any better. My real first name starts with a C and when I was a kid I liked the big red C and the cool colors. The only other team that was ever on TV was Boston and they have the most hideous uni’s Ive ever seen this side of the Dead Things
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just giving you the business big bro.
We only pick on the ones we like. That said, if I ever come your way you can almost bet I’ll be wearing my Stevie Wonder Jersey.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Of course you are, and its great stuff
Ive never talked hockey smack before. Actually I couldnt name a Canadiens current player if my life depended on it. LOL I lost track of the team when I got married.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never talked hockey smack before either.
Because everyone across the globe is a Red Wings fan. Out here in Cali, the few Kings fans there are don’t even know when hockey season is. Their other jersey is probably Romo.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
It is my humble opinion the Kings should go back
to the yellow sweaters w/crown and purple pants. That was an awesome look
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
That way, being drunk and puking at a game could be considered cheering for your team.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
"Only a real man quotes himself in the 3rd person" - Nate D. circa 2011
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
oh, Leo! that hurts me ... as an Avs fan (yeah, moved to Colorado from KC some years ago ... and lord I hate the Dead Things)
Because everyone across the globe is a Red Wings fan
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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yea Yea Yea doesnt mean though that those “red wings” fans are real ones. They are the same assholes who love crosby,ovi,stampkos basically the definition of bandwagon fans.I am a true “dead things” fan have been my whole life. I can honestly say red wings wont be stanley cup contenders this year.Play off team of course but no cup just not enough talent to make it that far this year.But the avs…..sorry thats your team buddy they will once again be dreadful this year.But you cant honestly deny the wings arent a great team well managed.20 straight play off appearances in a row.
Ugh, an Avs fan?
I was starting to like you.
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by Mavyrk on Sep 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think we've represented well at AP....
I think I see more POD posts than AP posts… lol. Good guys over there though.
The best. Really good group of guys
Now that site has a mental library of football knowledge that is impressive as all hell
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anybody else read that writeup over there
about Super bowl I? I never, ever heard about 2 kickoffs in the 2nd half!! What a crock!! My mantra has always been:
If the Pack aint cheatin, they aint trying
But Damn, to get a mulligan on a 60 yard return, that goes beyond anything I could have ever imagined them pulling
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Check it out, blew me away
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8/31/2395849/super-bowl-i-redux
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 16, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“There was another, previous kickoff that the Chiefs returned to midfield to begin with, but it was wiped out because of a technical difficulty. Not a clock malfunction, not an offcial error. Television.”
WTF!!!!! jesus C…that article negates any respect i have for that blogger.
For christs sake maybe sasquatch came in to the game and won it for the cheifs but the government wouldnt let the national public see it for fear they couldnt handle the truth!
ummmmmmmmmmmmm
look, I got some of it off Wiki, but saw another site that said the same thing …
now, being as I was like 13 when it happened, I can’t be SURE of that … nor was I at the game (or know anyone personally who WAS at the game) to verify …
and if you’d read the post carefully at the end, I also said that I had no idea if it would have made a difference at all, and in fact doubted it as the Packers were far and away the most dominant team in the second half
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Jeff, I'd never heard about til I started researching the article ...
as I mentioned to Michael: the Pack was clearly more dominant in 2nd half and I can’t imagine it changing the outcome of the game
as I wasn’t there at the game itself, I can’t tell you if it’s a true story or not, but I wouldn’t be surprised … two networks being “out of synch” I can easily see that happening (back then)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Drew ... very well indeed! and we thank you ... I hope a few of us have done half as well here at PoD
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Jeff, I heard you were using Yuille's ID card ... the call is already in to Homeland Security to prevent this from happening again ;-)
I joined AP this morning to join in the fun and I didnt have to wait the 24 hrs, got waived right on in. I assume its because the sites get along so well and not my winning personality, unassailable opinions and titanic knowledge of the game
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
KC fans are only satisfied with wins
My brother lived in KC for awhile. He echoed the comments here about the fans writing this team off already. KC fans are very demanding and fickle. No fans buys their merchandise if they have just lost. Everyone buys something when they win. (My brother worked in a sports store.) Did you see the shot of the KC fans bolting the parking lot in the fourth quarter? That is typical.































