Martin Mayhew Declines Scott Pioli's Handshake Offer After Game
by Sean Yuille on Sep 19, 2011 1:56 AM EDT
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PrintAlthough Sunday was the first time the Detroit Lions and Kansas City Chiefs met on the football field since Dec. 23, 2007, it wasn't the first run-in between the two teams in recent years. Off the field, the two teams did battle over tampering charges alleged by the Chiefs. Former Chiefs and current Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham was in the middle of the situation, and it's believed some comments he made to the media were ultimately the cause of the NFL's guilty ruling.
Throughout last week, Jim Schwartz downplayed the idea of the tampering charges serving as motivation for Sunday's game, but it was pretty clear that the Lions hadn't forgotten about them, as the 48-3 score suggests. It's not clear if the Lions intentionally ran up the score or not, but they certainly didn't take their foot off the gas. What's more, as time was running out in the fourth quarter, Cunningham was given a Gatorade shower by his defensive players, who seemed pretty excited that their coach got some revenge on his ex-team. Also, after the game, Lions general manager Martin Mayhew snubbed Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, according to Chris McCosky.
As the two general managers approached the same elevator at the end of the game Sunday, Pioli called out to Mayhew and extended his right hand.
Mayhew shook his head and turned his back on Pioli.
Does this mean we can now apply the phrase "Mayhewing somebody" to real-life situations instead of just trades?
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dayamn homie
that’s some cold gangsta shit right there
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by oldboy22 on Sep 19, 2011 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Nice!
I think we can all read between the lines and figure out this game was indeed personal for the Lions as whole organization including the suits
Life is being on the wire, everything else is just waiting.
take our 7th round pick
and shove it up your ass pioli.
The future is bright.
by joecool5672 on Sep 19, 2011 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
6th... we will make the play offs
RIP KURTIS CHAIVRE
by det32 on Sep 19, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+ a bazillion
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R.I.P Tom Kowalski. You will be sorely missed.
by LionTarHeel on Sep 19, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope that pick goes towards drafting a big fat DT
You know why…
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A couple of weeks ago I was mayhewed
at a job interview by the employer. I knew I wasn’t getting that job.
by iandetroit on Sep 19, 2011 2:31 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I Mayhewed a waitress a lil while back.
She took forever for everything. I couldn’t get a refill. No soup, I know I ordered soup, where’s my soup? After we finally got our food and ate it, our lovely waitress disappeared, and it took forever to get the check. Yeah, that bitch got Mayhewed.
NO HOMO!!!!!!!
Just another reason why I love our GM.
Damn that’s so cold. Screw him though he deserved it. Fantastic game today and a great win for Gunther. Take that Chiefs.
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by Home in Cleveland, Heart in Detroit on Sep 19, 2011 2:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
welcome to detroit
its funny to hear this story, because there were rumors around the time millen got fired that pioli would be coming here, but he turned down the job
hmmmmmmm
Mayhew for prez 2012
Yeah getting Mayhew'd is kind of like the mental version of getting Tayshaun'd
Straight up slapped in the mind through precisely measured actions.
Jonas Jerebko once killed a charging female rhinoceros in heat protecting its young with nothing more than a hook shot.
really kriz?
have you just blocked it out of your memories because how pathetic tay is now?
I apologize, I feel shame.
Its just that, given the context, I thought ’Tayshaun’d refereed to some slight from Tay this season. Probably towards Kuester.
WWGMD?
don't worry.
i won’t tell DBB.
if it get’s out, it was either boo-urns, MFSKYLAR or BigZ
I have even more respect for the exalted one
Ok you got away with your trick right? Revenge is a dish best served cold… bon appetit Paioli! Paoli please….
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
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by SaluteYourSchwartz on Sep 19, 2011 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Good thing there was no grudge-factor in yesterday's game...
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Sep 19, 2011 5:44 AM EDT reply actions
mayhew
the greatest gift to detroit since barry sanders! per mayhew" and pioli I mayhewed your wife last night"
Is it really running up the score...
When the Opposing team keeps turning the ball over in their own side of the field????
I think the longest Lion’s drive was like 56 yds? the average scoring drive had to be in the 30yd range.
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and... Fuck Scott Pioli (at least that's what Mayhew says)
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Side Note: WTF is up with Jason Avant during the intros saying he is from some military academy?
What a dork, what did U of M not treat the primadonna good or something?
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I Know, I saw that too
I wondered why the hell he would not claim Michigan as him alma mater. That was probably his high school he was giving props to, but a hell of a dis to Michigan. Screw him.
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by LionTarHeel on Sep 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah kc and bears fans were bitching about the score and being"classy" last night. Detroit has a spine now and they’re not gonna take any more shit from jerks like pioli. You don’t like the score? Fine then make a stop. Otherwise stfu!
by awayfromthepride on Sep 19, 2011 8:29 AM EDT reply actions
+1000
Anyone complaining, can just piss the F right off. That last TD was a big f.u. tp KC for their tampering charge.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
That last TD was by our second stringers
I dont recall the last early season game in the pros where the starters get benched because of the score. That is some “I’m saving you fro the playoffs” shit there. And if you can’t stop Keiland “I have been on this team 2 weeks and I can’t get practice reps so they let me score on the Chiefs” Williams from scoring then you have no business getting dressed in the first place.
pioli is another all hat no cattle prima donna
If he was so talented this Lions fan from chiefs land wouldnt be here. What has pioli actually done, well lets see, he’s got this reputation as some genius, but me thinks he’s not calculated that KC Fandome wont be putting butts in the seats with his 35 million under the cap managment style…
Chiefs took a big drop from last year, with the injuries he’s left the team with little depth. Hunts will make money, but the fans will also recognize that being in the tank is a function of managment capability. The chiefs franchise needs a makeover,and it should start in the front office. The Hunt family may see the chiefs as a means to other ends…we cant know just yet, but the style of royals owner DG comes to mind….in the world of higher finance, profits and losses are the same they have equal value to an holistic portfolio….
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in other news
Any indication of how bad pettigrew was hurt?
by chaunce on Sep 19, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jim said he has a shoulder at the presser
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by YpsilantiJeff on Sep 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
ok so i was unable to watch this game.
Is grew still suffering with the dropsies? I saw that he was the target a couple of times and didn’t pull them in.
by chaunce on Sep 19, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There was one.
Where he was trying to make a toe-drag swag catch right on the sidelines when Staff was trying to evade a sack, he didn’t wind up pulling it in but I can’t count it as a drop considering if he caught it, it would have been one hell of a catch.
Pettigrew was listed with 3 statistical targets and 1 reception. One of the non-catches was aforementioned, the other non-catch was a short left pass from Staff in the third drive (counting the first drive with the int-fumble-recovery as two drives), I believe it was defended.
As such, the dropitis is looking good for at least a game, but I can’t help but notice only 3 targets. Maybe he’s being game planned out somewhat as punishment for drops? That in combination with his shoulder kept him basically invisible all day.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Pioli can console himself with his draft board.
Perhaps he can draft himself a clue next time.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Everything about this team says BAD ASS!
Even our GM who is a Harvard grad is a straight up badass!
After he retired from the NFL
He went to back to school to Georgetown. That’s probably what lionsman meant, just got the school wrong.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Actually
Mayhew was going to law school part time while playing for Super Bowl winning Redskin teams…some dude
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No kidding.
He obviously knew where he was going after he stopped playing. Very happy to have him.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Big surprise here
I do not like it.
He should have walked up with a broad smile and wished him good luck with his 6th round pick next year and then walked away with a little pimp strut.
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by joshsun on Sep 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i pretty much agree with you
ultimately it’s a non-issue to me and i don’t understand why people care or think this is some impressive display. again, i don’t think one way or the other, but either way, i’d rather the perception of the lions and their fans is something other than ‘assholes’
by redwingxviii on Sep 19, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't give the pick to KC.
We just forfeit it, I believe.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Yeah not suprised that you are critical of whatever the Lions FO does.......
or doesn’t do.
Pioli basically accused the Lions of cheating. Some people and organizations feel strongly about their reputations. Pioli knew that was a bullshit charge on something that happens on an ongoing basis in the NFL. He used his own and his team owner’s higher profile to score an easy win from the Lions.
Mayhew has every reason to let him know that he is not going to take that shit from the self anointed “NFL’s Best GM” Scott Pioli.
Mayhew is not here to make friends with the other GMs, he is here to build a winning franchise.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
I have been one of Mayhews biggest supporters
This is just one of those situations where he should have just smiled and walked away a winner.
doing what he did just lets Pioli know he got the better of him last year and it still hurts. I would never give anyone that kind of satisfaction, especially after the complete ass whooping his team just handed Pioli’s team. Man up, smile and shake his hand and strut away with your head held high. Your team just demolished his team setting a new franchise record for margin of victory.
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I guess Mayhew should have bent over and let Pioli finish the job.
Mayhew has every right, and the duty IMO, to represent the Lions disgust with the stunt that Pioli pulled. Yeah, his team kicked his team’s ass on the field, but Mayhew needed to make it clear to Pioli that what he did was unethical and was taken personally by Mayhew.
Maybe Pioli and other GMs might think twice before trying the same stunt again.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
by NorthLeft12 on Sep 20, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Unethical?
It is in the rule book. You do not do what we did. We even fought it and still lost.
Are people around here so blinded by their fandome they can’t actually believe that we did something wrong?
Here is a news flash, we made a mistake. We were found guilty of tampering. The league put those rules in place for a reason and if the league found us guilty than too damn bad.
Do you honestly think Pioli or any other GM will think twice about leveling legitimate tampering claims against us because Mayhew shook his head and walked away?
Please.
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Do you honestly think that those rules are applied evenly across the NFL?
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
by delusional on Sep 20, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Sean was posting regularly what other teams and coaches were saying about free agents [Andy Reid immediately comes to mind] and nothing was done about it. I think it is understood that this kind of talk is pretty harmless. Teams do not raise a stink about it.
But Pioli decided to use his weight and make an issue of it. Goodell, being his usual unpredictable self on the application of rules and penalties, decided to screw us.
This was something more. Something personal with Gunther. They did not appreciate his comments about how they were dismantling the personnel from his old defence, so they decided to act.
The fact is we have no idea what “evidence” was given to prove our guilt. The agent and player said there was no contact, and there was only the general [derisive] comment that Gunny made.
On this issue I will side with my team and believe their claim that nothing happened.
You can believe the other side…….again.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
Those comments Sean posted
did not result in punishments. Making it far more likely that something else happened behind the scenes that we probably never will hear about.
The agent and player were both much better served saying nothing happened. No agent would ever admit to that. It would be a death blow to his career and believe me, his client knew that too.
Sorry, you can bash Goodell and throw around conspiracy theories against our team all you want. I think Goodell is fair and I do not believe for even a moment the league is conspiring against my team.
You can believe the other side…….again.
How about, I believe the side that makes the most sense without letting the fact that I am a fan sway my logical mind.
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No I do not
and it changes nothing.
We were found guilty and punished. We also do not have the entire story either. I find it nearly impossible to believe we were found guilty on comments made by Gunny. To this day, I still believe something more happened.
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So what did he do?
How often is an appeal to the league office successful? Was it successful when Suh appealed his legal tackle on Cutler?
I don’t buy we made a mistake, but I do know we were found guilty of tampering.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
well, you might think that hit on cutler was legal (homer)
I saw a player draw his arm back, well before he reached cutler, and slam his hand into the upper back and most likely lower head of another player. That is not legal and the league will fine that kind of behavior every time. Suh had every opportunity to wrap him up and tackle him from behind. He chose the violent path instead and was properly fined for it.
I seem to remember some fines against us being lifted last year. I am not 100% sure but I think it was the ones on Peterman. So, the league does review and does change their fines if the charges are not applicable, even for the Lions.
As far as what Gunny or someone in our F.O. did. I have no idea. I am sure no one outside the F.O. and league office will ever really know. That changes nothing. Draft picks are a teams most valuable commodity. The league is not going arbitrarily to take them away without some valid reason for doing so.
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Slamming your hand into the upper back is not illegal
In any way, shape, or form. It was a shove, and the appeals process has all the tape and time to review slow motion and see that as plainly as you and I can.
Again, you may say the league is not going to arbitrarily do something, but I’ve seen the league arbitrarily do a lot of things. The fact that it wound up having a draft pick taken from us doesn’t make it less likely to be done, it in fact makes it worse that it was done.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
directly from the rule book
“the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.”
I know what you are going to say. He was not a QB anymore but a runner. Sorry, from the leagues perspective when he is on the field, he will always be a QB. No matter what he is doing.
We have all seen how Suh tackles runners in open space. He wraps them up and tackles them. What he did to Cutler on that play was flat out violent and his intent was clear. Cutler is a QB and Suh wanted to hurt him. He drew his arm back before he reached Cutler with the intent of unloading on him. Even being a fan, you have to see that. He was hell bent on unloading on Cutler and did.
The league will not tolerate that kind of action. The rules and the refs have this spelled out to them.
The fact that it wound up having a draft pick taken from us doesn’t make it less likely to be done
Agreed, teams will continue to push the edge of the rules for any advantage and when they are found to have their hands in the proverbial cookie jar, they will be punished.
, it in fact makes it worse that it was done.
Sorry, what are you trying to say here? I am missing the point. If you could please elaborate.
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To retort! My friend.
“Sorry, from the leagues perspective when he is on the field, he will always be a QB. No matter what he is doing.”
Au contraire.
4. Protection While Out of Pocket. When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule and the provision regarding low hits, but he remains covered by all other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket. If a passer outside the pocket stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he is covered by all of the special protections.
He was not only out of the pocket, he was past the LOS. At that point, no player is a passer. Period. Saying otherwise is plainly incorrect, always, forever, cannot say it enough. Once the ball passes the LOS, no one is a passer
The only rule that applies, unless you can find a magical rule that says a QB is still a passer when he’s running (doesn’t exist), is the forearm shiver to the back of the neck or helmet. Neither of these things happened. You can continue to cover your ears and scream no, or scream that I’m just being a homer, but this is flat out wearing blinders to the rules as written. That hit was a legal hit.
I understand that the NFL is willing to bend and break its own rules to protect QBs well beyond the letter of the law, but that was not an illegal hit.
Sorry, what are you trying to say here? I am missing the point. If you could please elaborate.
My point was, the league will arbitrarily do a lot of things, including arbitrarily take draft picks from teams. The fact that you claim they wouldn’t do such a thing when it involved jeopardizing draft picks makes it MORE egregious that it happened.
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I wish Mayhew would have shaken his hand
Pulled him in, kneed him in the Piolis, THEN walk away.
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He shouldve shook his hand but at the same time I do like the payback on the field
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by Jerry Mallory on Sep 19, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Just speculating....
We don’t hear a lot about tampering going on, even though I’m sure this isn’t the only incident that has ever occured. Maybe it is something that GM’s around the league prefer to handle between themselves, sort of a “gentleman’s agreement”, rather than go crying to the league office. For his breach of this protocol, Pioli got no handshake, as well as a 45 point ass-kicking.
No handshake
I’m glad he didn’t shake hand. Why should he pretend that he respects Pioli, when he doesn’t?
I’m also waiting for Haley to complain about the score being ran up. He should of kept Charlie Weis instead of running him out of KC.
by coolbreeze42 on Sep 19, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i think
You hit it on the head mc keeper…I feel like this sort of thing happens a lot more than we think and the gm’s handle it among themselves and pioli broke that gentlemans agreement by blowing the whistle to the league office…I also find it absurd that page ended up in new england where hailey and pioli have obvious ties…I love the new attitude from the entire organizations. I bet the custodial staffs even walking around w a pimp limp !
by 989Till'Die on Sep 19, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kansas City was out to hurt anyone they could!
That was the worse I ever seen any team come out and break every rule they could to hurt our players. The Chiefs played dirty as hell and I hope they all get fined! If they want to call it a scandal let them. With our backs to the wall and losing game after game back then-good they tried something new to get a win. We were all sick of those losses. It was depressing as hell.
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