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How the Lions Defense Will Stifle Adrian Peterson

 

The Lions linebackers will keep Vikings monster RB Adrian Peterson under control in the Week 3 matchup in Minnesota.  This is more than some pie in the sky wishful thinking, too.


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What makes me so sure?   Well, it was something that occurred late in the first quarter of the Chiefs game last week.  The Lions had been gashed on the ground in the first quarter, when the Chiefs piled up a 132-76 lead in total offense.

That Chiefs yardage barrage was accomplished by their strong run game.  Even after the departure of RB Jamaal Charles (ACL injury), Thomas Jones and Dexter McCluster continued the rushing assault on the Lions until the Lions made a simple adjustment that slashed those rushing yards in half.

Simply stated, the Lions threw out the defensive playbook for the Chiefs game.  By returning to their base 4-3 base defense and playing base-zones, the linebackers were able to accomplish what an entire week of scheming couldn’t:  They shut down the run, making the Chiefs a one dimensional team.

Up until the adjustment, the Lions were crowding the box, filling gaps, and showing blitz on almost every play.  Once a ball carrier found a lightly defended gap, the Lions were toast against the great zone blocking of the Chiefs.

Lions defenders, especially the linebackers, were seldom in position to make a play.

Running backs read those zone blocks and choose a gap.  The major advantage of zone blocking is that it doesn’t matter what the defense is (4-3 vs. 3-4), or does (loop, stunt, blitz).  The blockers are assigned zones, rather than defenders.  By doing this, a single blocker can often neutralize two defenders.

By going zone, the linebackers were able to pursue laterally, and team tackle at the point of attack.  Justin Durant, Stephen Tulloch and DeAndre Levy have great downhill speed.  Using their speed to it’s best advantage forced running plays outside, where only one LB had to be beaten.

Of course, the downside of running outside the tackles is that the secondary has time to close on the play.

So, the Lions were able to negate the Chief’s strength (run game) and make them more one dimensional (passing).  How does this apply to the Vikings?

The Vikings are another team who plays the zone blocking scheme (ZBS).  An inherent defect of the ZBS is that blockers have difficulty blocking in the second level (linebackers).

The Lions linebackers will have full freedom of movement laterally, and can quickly close on the point of attack.  In addition, playing zone allows the OLBs to diagnose screen plays without worrying about being out of position.

This is how the Lions will successfully defend against Adrian Peterson.

Finally, I want to say that I have been an outspoken critic of LB Justin Durant since the day that he was signed.  I would have preferred a LB with even average coverage skills over Durant.

During training camp, the preseason, and even Week 1, I just never saw Durant make a play.  Not even one.  In fact, Durant played only 21 snaps against the Bucs.

When the Lions changed up the defense against the Chiefs, they stumbled onto a scheme where Durant flourished.  His 11 total tackles led the team in Week 2.

Durant’s play was so solid that the Lions eschewed taking him off the field by playing the nickel, where they seem to be weak.

Durant has arrived.  He has, in one week, won me over in a big way.  I have to assume that the Lions coaching staff was every bit as surprised by Durant’s play making in the zone as I was.  Otherwise, we would have seen the zone much sooner.

It might be too early to tell with any certainty, but the emergence of Durant in this new zone scheme will likely have the unintended side effect of limiting the effective blitzing of MLB Stephen Tulloch.

That’s a trade-off that I would gladly make.  If the Lions can limit the Vikings running attack, making them more one dimensional (passing), this will play into the real strengths of the Lions defense—the pass rush and man coverage.

If the Lions can find success with this simple zone scheme, they will be a very hard team to beat on every given Sunday.

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I would rather see them take out the run and make teams one dimensional by playing smart football than sacks galore and int’s. I like what the defense has done so far and I also believe we will take care of AP sunday.Not sure to what extent because he is amazing but i dont see him running wild on us.

by Michael21 on Sep 21, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I think AP might still hit his 100

But we can still win if he does as long as they make him work for it and keep him from breaking off some big ones. I’m also fairly confident because I don’t think the Vikings secondary can stop Stafford. If this becomes a shootout, I’d expect the Lions to come out on top, which would also limit Peterson’s effectiveness because of the clock burning.

by JDSpartan on Sep 21, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

If your synopsis is correct.....

I expect to see some delayed 313 D, with one of those lineman standing up for a delayed rush type scheme.

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by delusional on Sep 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I liked your LB analysis

You know how uneasy I’ve been with that unit, I hope you’ve stumbled onto to something to get them going.

If the Vikes zone block, I see once all of their lineman are engaged for a lot of delayed blitzing, especially in a passing situation of course, otherwise it’s going to be an hole clogging endeavor on the LB’s part. Hopefully their playing comeback football, because no way in hell will McNabb be able to pass that team back into contention, and he’ll be running for his life.

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by delusional on Sep 21, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if AD runs for 100+

I think it will be a long run for a TD with a bunch of broken tackles and then maybe 4 or 5 ypc the rest of the game. Even with that kind of performance, I still don’t think the Vikings O will be able to keep pace with ours and they’ll be forced into passing it early in the 2nd half.

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

The Lions have proven to be a much better tackling defense this year.

In the absence of Jonathan Wade, C.C. Brown, and Julian Peterson.

by mikeyclaw on Sep 21, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I haven’t seen that many missed tackles this year.

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by Bighaircut on Sep 21, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their tackling in space has been nothing short of amazing.

Especially the back 4/5.

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by delusional on Sep 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he will hit 100 but the key will be on how many carries? IMO

I was looking thru some of the Vikes stats. As far as, how many snaps their players get. Trying to get a good sense of how they use their players. What I found was when Harvin is not on the field, they ran the ball about 66%( if my math is correct) of the time. So that basically tell me that they are using basic Power-I formations sprinkled in with some 2 TE sets, ala TB. AP is a great runningback we all know this. But I think that how the Vikes use him and in the formations that they like to run out of. Plays into the strenghts of the Lions D. KC did alot of misdirection and some end around to throw the Lions D off balance. And with a shifty, speedy back like Charles it work very well. Minny or the OC Musgrave does not do that( from what I have seen from him in the past). They like to go man on man blocking, and power running.

I think AP will get his 100. But if the Lions make him earn with 25 or more carries. That plays well into the Lions strenghts on D. Make the VIkes an one dimensional team by slowing down the AP train. Force McNabb to make plays with his arm. Don’t let Minny be a balance team.

My prediction is 27-14. The same M.O. The Lions jump out to an early lead. Forces Minny to become a team they do not want to be.

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by JCruize on Sep 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

I the first two games our offense has been the biggest factor in stopping the other teams running game. The key to winning this game is to get out to an early lead.

by ZofShadows on Sep 21, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

this is more of the running scheme I have understood from Minnesota and this current OC. Very different than KCs from what I understand…

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good take on things Cruize....

Just for conversation sake….I’ve been slinking around and have found a few grumblings and articles about Harvin’s lack of playing time.

Just saying, because of your mentioning the run/pass ratio. I would expect Harvin to get more playing time this Sunday. The seat has got to be getting a scooch hot in Vikesland, and they may be feeling some pressure to open it up.

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by delusional on Sep 21, 2011 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

and you don’t want to face our base 4-3 all game. You’ve got to find a way to get us in nickel, so I think they will use Harvin more to that effect. Not sure he’s going to have much of a game though if Wright is on him…

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, last week against TB

Harvin only saw 33 out of 69 offensive snaps. And only 7 of those 33 were running plays. On the flip side, Berrian and Michael Jenkins got over 50 each. I read some comments about Harvin over at the Daily Noresmen that Harvin was not in their Red Zone packages. And the fans think that will change this week. But I got to think that there is a reason why Percy seems to only be a slot reciever. I guess we will see what happens this Sunday.

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by JCruize on Sep 21, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

every time i see harvin play, he makes plays

I have seen him out with injury, but he and AP are two big play makers

by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Harvin explanation....

Why is Percy Harvin a part-time player?
September, 21, 2011
SEP 21
By Kevin Seifert
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. — As we discussed in Tuesday’s Stock Watch post, Minnesota Vikings receiver Percy Harvin was on the field for 30 of the team’s 65 offensive plays in last Sunday’s 24-20 loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. For the season, Harvin has played about half of the Vikings’ snaps (57 of 111), according to video tracking from Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com, and on Wednesday it seemed fair to ask coach Leslie Frazier why.

Percy Harvin has been on the field for less than half of the Vikings’ offensive snaps this season.
The Vikings’ offense, after all, has scored only 30 points through two games and ranks No. 27 among NFL teams in total yards. Wouldn’t it make sense to have your most explosive pass-catcher on the field more often?

“We know what Percy is capable of doing,” Frazier said. “He’s a big-time playmaker, whether it’s on kickoff return or playing wide receiver. It’s just a matter of our using his strengths for our greatest advantage, for our team’s greatest advantage, picking our spots when we do that. I think we’re taking the right approach with Percy, with his reps and the packages we use him in. It’s the right approach.”

Frazier didn’t really explain why it’s the right approach, but he did rule out a few reasons. He said coaches have no concerns about Harvin’s downfield run blocking, saying: “He’s a very good run-blocker [and is] surprising some of those linebackers and [defensive backs] when he comes back and cracks.” Frazier also said there are no concerns about Harvin’s health, including migraine headaches that plagued him in 2009 and 2010 but appear to have subsided this year.

“We have certain packages where we want to feature him,” Frazier said, “and not necessarily overuse him, but use him to help our football team.”

I would understand that sentiment if the Vikings were using Harvin as a full-time kickoff and punt returner, as the Chicago Bears essentially do with Devin Hester. But Harvin is splitting kickoff return duties with Lorenzo Booker. Marcus Sherels, meanwhile, is returning punts.

I can’t discount the possibility of some unknown and pressing explanation for making Harvin a part-time player, perhaps one that Frazier prefers to keep to himself. Absent of that wild card, however, I just don’t get it.

At the very least, Frazier and offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave appear too caught up in building a scheme and constructing a template for future success. On some teams, it might make sense to use Harvin as a multi-purpose returner/receiver/running back for use in selected packages. But on this team, now and in the foreseeable future, Harvin is one of the top two scoring threats on the roster.

The Vikings’ new offense deserves some patience as it plays catch-up from a lost offseason. But the Vikings also merit scrutiny for letting one of their best players stand on the sideline far too often during a 0-2 start.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth

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by delusional on Sep 22, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

good post

So what I am taking from this is Harvin does not have a big role in Musgrave’s offensive. Musgrave likes bigger WR on the outside, and his TE’s running the underneth and middle routes.

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by JCruize on Sep 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems something more then that. Are they sending Harvin some sort of message? Are they sick of his migraine games?

I expect him to play a much bigger role on Sunday. The seat is getting too hot for him to sit.

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by delusional on Sep 22, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

very true

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by JCruize on Sep 22, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

espn_nfcnblog ESPN Blogs NFC North
Part-time player, part-time practicer? RT: @1500ESPNJudd: Percy Harvin not on the field as practice opens. Hopefully we’ll know more later

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by delusional on Sep 22, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I don't think the Running game will be a factor.

The Vikings will HAVE to pass to win this game… and I’m not sure if McNabb has even surpassed 100yds…lol

Will his head get out of his ass this week? doubt it, the way the Lions treated him in Washington last year is the way they’ll treat him this year…lol.

I’ll give AP 130yds, but it won’t make the difference in the game.

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by CLF on Sep 21, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

The running game will be factor early for the Vikes.

I expect this game to be a replica of the KC game.

As long as we don’t get stupid with any turnovers on hostile territory, we’ll be fine.

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by delusional on Sep 21, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only way AP gets close to 130

is if McNabb is passing well and they’re a balanced offense. We’re too strong and fast in the front 7 + the safeties to allow that many yards if it doesn’t catch them off-guard. Misdirections, counters, draws, and reverses have been a problem for a while…I wonder if Minny will steal some of this from KCs playbook or be stupid and try to force their normal game plan.

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record

Durant had two tackles for loss in week 1 (4 total) – so he’s been very impressive in my book..

Good of you to man up about it :)

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Something was not right with those LB's, if this is what it takes, I'l be extra euphoric.

Props to the staff for making the needed adjustments. It just reaffirms my faith in the quality of the coaching staff that we have.

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by delusional on Sep 21, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I’m with you on the coverage though, he’s a work in progress…

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both Tully and Durrant were rated good against the run

From what I read it seemed like our new LBs were strong run defenders. Durrant especially appeared more like a run stopping LB while his coverage skills are more lacking despite his athleticism. If we have Durrant making plays against the run, Levy making plays in coverage, and Tully managaging the game and cleaning up the slop I like our talent and diversity at the LB position.

by Northern Lite on Sep 21, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

good take

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by JCruize on Sep 21, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the FO

Knew about Duant thats what there paid for And were just arm chair QB’s …..

I think we will be fine this Sunday but AP is gona get his yards we just need to score first and often :O) makem pass and we win . There coming out trying to run thou you can bet on that .

by ubeensued on Sep 21, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

AP gets over a 150 yards ..

The key is to make him work for his yards .. and to stay well ahead of the Vikings on the scoreboard .. If our coaches are thinking what we are thinking, AP will be smothered in the beginning .. and even if he gets 50 to 60 yards in the 1st half, it will be disheartening for the Vikings offense .. and if we are leading by 10 to 14 points, they will have to go pass heavy ..

I expect AP to have a good game .. 100+ yards running and some more passing .. All in all, if we frustrate him .. we will win ..

by Libran on Sep 21, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry

but no way does he collect 150 yards. I’d be flat out shocked.

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

AP will while mcnabb amasses negative yards in the passing game.

by Michael21 on Sep 21, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If our coaches stick to our usual plan ...

Bend but don’t break .. we will give him respect .. coverage won’t be as tight to limit big plays .. so he gets yards .. we choke up the points …

by Libran on Sep 21, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree

McNabb is too mistake prone, so while the WCO will aid his check down options, that doesn’t mean they will be putting up many points…Schwartz hates giving up big plays, and if we limit Minny’s big plays, we should be able to walk away with a W IMO. But I know they’ll come out punching and may force us into unusual mistakes…so I’m not taking a W for granted.

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Libran brings up a good point ....

although I do not think AP gets 150. I do think he’ll have a little over 100, dude’s just too good. I agree with about frustrating him and all. Mcnabb cant beat us.

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by Lionking4420 on Sep 21, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

My 150 is total yards ..

100+ run .. 50ish in passing .. they will have to use him in passing plays .. we will give AP some cushion to avoid him breaking away for big plays …

by Libran on Sep 21, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't give him too much cushion.

He won’t kill us for long plays, but he will consistently grab 4 yards and eat up clock and move the chains if we are playing for him not to hurt us.

This team is better than that. We need to trust our playmakers and play good, hard D. I’d rather have AP gash us on a couple long runs than see AP consistently moving the chains methodically.

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by Mavyrk on Sep 21, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

agree

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by rames on Sep 21, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It will take the whole village to spy Peterson.

It may come down to effectively handing off responsibility as a play develops.

DeAndre Levy sat out practice with a bum knee. Would Carpenter be a big downgrade if Levy has to sit out?

by mikeyclaw on Sep 22, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

I’d even be confident with Ashlee Palmer

by Kalzilla on Sep 22, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Score a bunch of points early,

And Vikings will have to abandon the run game. That’s how you shut down Adrian Peterson.

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by Pappy002 on Sep 21, 2011 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Right you are, Pappy!

The Lions offense IS the best run defense.

by mikeyclaw on Sep 22, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great post Mikey

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by KDawg on Sep 21, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanx, KD!

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by mikeyclaw on Sep 22, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol

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by KDawg on Sep 22, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s good stuff

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by n4ry4 on Sep 23, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say around 110yds

It may be on more carries then normal though. And Durant was thoroughly impressive against the Cheifs.

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 22, 2011 6:05 AM EDT reply actions  

My bet is that he will break 100 yards...

However, I do not see him racking up more than 1 rushing TD. Our defense will find ways to force the Vikings to pass the ball.

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by KDawg on Sep 22, 2011 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

AP may run for over 100 yards, but hey, he is averaging 109 yards a game and a TD and the Vikings are still 0-2

Sometimes there is just too much broken with a team for one superstar to make up for it all.

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 22, 2011 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

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by KDawg on Sep 22, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

I know it’s “any given Sunday” but McNabb hasn’t throw a TD and we’ve only given up 1 TD when we were in a conservative/prevent scheme. I don’t think that means we won’t give up a TD, but I’d be kind of surprised if our defense gave up more than 2 TDs… Maybe our offense will turn the ball over once or twice and that will lead to a TD or FGs…so I have a hard time seeing Minny put up more than 20pts.

The question is, can the Vikes D prevent us from getting 3 TDs??? I doubt it!

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by rames on Sep 22, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm beginning to believe that AP is not going to rush the ball very much.

I do believe that AP is going to be used in the short yardage passage game, to take pressure off of McNabb. Screens, draws, and short passes to the flats to slow down the rush.

Or if he does run it will be to the outside……IMO

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by delusional on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

I love the respect you are showing killer by using his favorite lead in. :))

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by Justan Oldfart on Sep 22, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by delusional on Sep 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

+Killer

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by rames on Sep 22, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think AD will get his due

And I think you are forgetting Kleinsaucer which is fairly easy to do. The man is a beast and as old as he is he still knocked a couple of Buc’s on their backs last week. Unlike Childress Musgrave seems to want a fullback working for AD and Gerhart and honestly there aren’t many players who can lay the wood like K-Sauce can.

Now I don’t think it will be enough i don’t think McNabb has the timing down with our receivers and I don’t think he’s looking for the short gain passes that Musgrave is trying to give him. So yeah I think AD will get his, but I don’t think McNabb will throw for much more than AD runs.

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by Grime on Sep 23, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

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