Lions At Vikings: Five Questions With Daily Norseman
To get ready for Sunday's game, I exchanged five questions with Ted Glover of Daily Norseman, SB Nation's Minnesota Vikings blog. My answers to his questions can be found here, and his answers to my questions are below.
1. How long do you think Donovan McNabb will be the Vikings' starting quarterback? Is he a one-year stopgap until Christian Ponder takes over, or could we actually see Ponder as early as this season?
It depends -- yes and maybe. How's that for definitive?
As far as McNabb remaining the starter, so far Leslie Frazier has been as adamant that McNabb is his starter this year as he was about Brett Favre last year, even after the Vikings were out of it. That tells me that Frazier will probably remain committed to McNabb for the season.
I think McNabb is definitely a one-year stopgap, at least I hope he is. This is nothing against him personally, but most Vikings fans are sick and tired of the used quarterback of the day being the Vikes starter. It worked out well with Favre in 2009, but that's been the exception more than the rule.
McNabb signed a one-year contract, so unless he really, really lights it up, I see him moving on after this season. As much as Vikings fans might start clamoring for Ponder if the losses pile up, I don't think Frazier will start him unless he has to. Frazier has a history and a very good relationship with McNabb, and he stuck by Favre last season and didn't start Tarvaris Jackson or Joe Webb until he had to. I expect the same thing this year with McNabb.
2. Just how important is Adrian Peterson to the Vikings?
How important is sex to a good political scandal? Without it, it's still a scandal, but it's not nearly as exciting and very few people pay attention to it. And the Vikings offense is much like a sexless political scandal without Peterson.
There are two people in the Vikings offense that would keep me awake at night if I were an NFL defensive coordinator: Peterson and Percy Harvin. Take away Peterson and I can double and triple Harvin and stop anything the Vikings want to try and do. Michael Jenkins is a possession receiver, Bernard Berrian isn't a threat, McNabb isn't a threat to run much anymore, and the tight ends are league average. But with Peterson, I have to drop eight men in the box more often than not, and now there are some mismatches the Vikings can take advantage of. Theoretically, anyway.
3. For one night last season, the Vikings had to call Ford Field home due to the collapse of the Metrodome roof. The Vikings have been working for a while now to get a new stadium built, and the pressure to put a viable plan together went up even more after the roof collapse. Where do things stand right now on the Vikings stadium issue?
Sean, it's a hot mess. The Vikings have a plan to build a stadium in Ramsey County, using abandoned land from an old Army Ammunition assembly plant. The parameters laid down by the state to the Vikings to pay for it were for the team to contribute a significant amount themselves and find a local city/county government partner to raise money, and if they did that the state would contribute $300 million. The Vikings are offering to pay $400 million plus cost overruns, and Ramsey County, the county where the stadium would be built, will contribute $300 million through a countywide half-cent sales tax.
In Minnesota, for a county to pass a sales tax, there must be a voter referendum on it in the county that would be affected, and polls indicate that the referendum would probably fail. (Who wants to vote themselves a tax increase?) The state legislature can vote to waive the referendum if it's for the public good, and they did that very thing for Hennepin County in Minneapolis for Target Field, the Twins' new stadium. (At the time, polls showed most fans were against the Twins stadium, but now everyone loves it. Go figure.)
State political leaders have reneged on the Vikings. They now say there is no way they're going to give the Vikings the state contribution and the Vikings must find another way to get that $300 million portion funded. They support a referendum, and that vote won't take place until Nov. 2012 at the earliest. They are pretty much daring the Vikings to leave. With the Metrodome lease expiring at the end of the season, there's nothing legally keeping them in Minnesota.
Unless something dramatic changes, I predict Zygi Wilf will sell the team and the Vikings will move to Los Angeles.
4. What do Vikings fans think about Leslie Frazier, who was made the team's head coach after serving as the interim coach for the last part of the 2010 season?
He has a lot of support among the team and the fans ... except for the crazies who want to fire all the coaches and release all the players after two games. The 0-2 start is disconcerting, but Frazier has assembled a good staff, and he commands respect from the players. I was able to get to Mankato for a couple days and cover the team, and they're all buying what he's selling, and to a player they said it was a refreshing change from Brad Childress.
5. How do Vikings fans feel about the franchise right now? Do they see it as being in the middle of a rebuilding process that could take a few years, or do they believe that the Vikings can compete in the NFC North in a year or possibly even this year?
I honestly don't know. When you look at the roster, you see that there is talent on both sides of the ball. They took San Diego to the limit on the road and led Tampa Bay for 59 minutes last week. So you look at that, and you see guys like Peterson, Harvin, Jared Allen, and Chad Greenway, and you think that there is a nucleus of talent that can take the Vikings a long way. But then you see stalwarts like Steve Hutchinson, Kevin Williams, Antoine Winfield and E.J. Henderson all go farther and farther north of 30 and you realize they'll have to be replaced sooner rather than later. And I don't know that the guys that are behind them can fill their shoes. After a couple of good drafts, they've had a couple of pedestrian ones (at least it seems that way), and the Vikings feel like an 8-8 team in transition, but not quite rebuilding. Another weak draft or two, though, and it could be full on rebuilding.
But that very well could be L.A.'s problem.
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If the Vikings move to LA and you're too upset to be a fan of them any longer
You’re welcome to become a Lions fan. It’s pretty much going to be the cool thing to do soon, anyways.
Dude, it already is
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Sep 23, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My girlfriend and roomy are both viqueens fans and from Min....... haha she was wearing a Best jersey last week.... im guessing hes not far behind
can't argue with the Best can you!?!
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As much as I root against Minny I would hate to see them go... especially to LA.
I feel like there’s a lot of football history in the NFC North and to break that up would be a shame.
I may be a hater and I don’t have any facts to back this up, but I don’t think LA is a football town. I feel like the city of LA doesn’t deserve a football team…… I know, I know… Haters gonna hate.
by LionsFanInJapan on Sep 23, 2011 6:17 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Does the city that won't take a half cent sales tax hike deserve a football team?
I’m just saying, point of comparison. If my Lions were going to leave town, I’d take an 8 cent sales tax in a heartbeat.
It would be shitty to see Minnie go to LA, and I do agree on the football history, but “doesn’t deserve a football team” is a relative term. I think Minnesota deserves a football team, but that county that’s cockblocking it isn’t acting like it.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
I agree with both points
1) Want Minny to stay in the NFC North. Love the location and history.
2) If they want the team they need to step up and compete with other cities to keep it.
On a side note, I posted this in the DN thread where us Lions fans have been going back and forth with the Vikings guys, I thought it was pretty funny.
The Vikings solution to a deep threat receiver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=PInDbfGP5Ac
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by Evilsmurf on Sep 23, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol nice one Smurf.
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+1
Having an NFL team in your city (especially ones like Minneapolis and Detroit) aren’t an entitlement. You better make sure that the team gets what it deserves, especially when you’re going to give your baseball team the same thing…
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The US is really the only place where taxpayers buy stadiums for billionaires
When the Glazers bought a Premiere League club, they tried the old “hold the team hostage until you buy me a stadium” move, and the fans, city, and Premiership pretty much told them to stick it.
If only the NFL had that kind of integrity.
by AJSmitty on Sep 23, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a guy with an Economic Development background
I can tell you that 9 out of 10 stadiums end up costing the city and state (if they pitched in) more money than generate. Eventually, if you count all the indirect benefits/multiplier effects of a stadium – it can even out… but to say a city and it’s tax payers should just take on the cost “because it football” is kinda crappy IMO, at least in this day and age.
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by rames on Sep 23, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the League is generating Billions in revenue, and the average stadium costs 1 billion to put up, and the average stadium can last say 64 years....
Then the math is pretty simple, maybe all these athletes and owners should make a few less million and pay for their own damn stadiums. At that rate they could build a new one every other year and keep rotating it around from club to club.
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The stadiums wouldn't cost a billion dollars if the owners had to pay for it themselves.
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This is easy for me to say
since I’m from Iowa. But, being a Vikings fan my whole life, I identify the Vikings with the state of Minnesota, and as a matter of civic pride and the rich history the Vikings have given the state for 50 years, these guys would, imo, be fools to let them go. Your comment is probably spot on, but, it would be a very sad day for the entire state if these guys leave, one that they would regret for a very long time.
thanks man.
thanks for your input on the thread.
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by GhostManOnThird on Sep 23, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my point in the whole matter.
Yeah, these billionaires should be paying for it. But really, if forced to choose between my Lions and a sales tax hike, it’s not even a question for me.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
personally
I don’t believe any tax money, other than a surcharge on tickets/concessions/etc, should be used to pay for any stadium. I don’t like any form of corporate welfare.
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So I wonder, what team would we get in the NFC North if the Vikings move to L. A.
Obviously they would go into the NFC West and likely St. Louis would come out. But the Rams may not just join the NFC North. The NFC East is sacred, they wont touch that, too many match ups that have been there for years and too much Rivalry built up, even though the Cowboys should by all rights be in the NFC South and the Panthers in the NFC East.
I just don’t see it really, so likely we would end up with the Rams, or, highly unlikely, but they could move and AFC team into the NFC and put the Rams in there. I would love to have the Browns in the NFC North but I just don’t see that happening, too much history and rivalry there to mess with. The Bills would be a nice team to have in the North but again then you just compound the situation by having to put another team there there and the Rams are not a good fit.
No matter where I look I just don’t see any good matches to get a more “northern” team in the NFC North and put the Rams anywhere else. I sure as hell don’t want to be traveling out west for that road game every year, but it would be even worse on the L. A. Vikings to have to travel east three times a year at minimum.
I mean geographically it would make the most sense to put both Dallas and the Rams in the NFC South, the Panthers and Bucs in the NFC East, and the Giants into the NFC North. But that will never ever happen, there is so many things on so many levels that would just not let that happen.
So other than the Rams in the NFC North, I just don’t see a whole lot of anything that can work out.
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Total shift of craziness.
I may be off my rocker here, but put this on for a spell…
Vikes to NFC W, Rams come out.
Rams to NFC S, Bucs come out
Bucs to NFC N
Black and Blue forever, baby.
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LA Vikings go to the NFC West…
LA’s old team, the Rams, move to the North.
I do like your idea of the bucs returning though….
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Honestly.
What would probably happen, to the chagrin of Vikings fans, is they wouldn’t reorder the divisions at all.
However, the bonus of that scenario is that one game a year would be guaranteed to be an afternoon game.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
(And at the very least, it would probably not re-order for a couple years after any movement.)
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
gotta ask you... was my 'matchup' post in the vike thread
that obnoxious?
I thought I kept it rather balanced.
What I can’t stand is, a divisional opponent who doesn’t even know our roster.
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I literally laughed out loud
When that guy said he had to Wikipedia Jason Hanson. That’s absurd.
And no, I haven’t found anything on that thread obnoxious, from either fanbase. It’s all in good fun and I know at least for myself I wouldn’t be shocked to see Minnie pull it out. If they blow it out, that’s a different story altogether, but I can’t even consider that a possibility.
But yes, I imagine it seemed obnoxious to Vikings fans, because this is what they’ve see us as for so long:

The cute little baby of the division, wrapped up and all comfy in our Honolulu Blue blanket.
And now we’re coming across like this:

Ferocious!
But I have a feeling most of them are taking it like this:

The same little baby of the division is getting cranky!
Like I’ve said a couple times, we’re always going to be the same old Lions to a lot of fans until we prove otherwise. We’ll prove it Sunday to them, and then we go to Dallas to educate that fanbase.
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by Mavyrk on Sep 23, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
2 things make this a win for detroit
The inept Viking’s offense. …. Really, how many points can this offense score? what is the max? 17, 20? Unless AP breaks a long one… I don’t see them even scoring a TD.
Detroit’s high powered passing attack. Seriously, if they bring the Tampa 2…. Detroit’s gonna rip them up. IMHO, Tampa’s D is waaaay better…. from Dline to Safety.
Final score; Detroit 38, Minnesota 16
(the TD comes from a ST or defensive play)
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+1
27-17…38 on the road in that shithole is just a tad too much.
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That baby on the bottom
looks as ferocious as the lion in a scary way LMAO
"You still need pieces on offense"-said my Vike fan friend. Did you see the KC game?I answered!
And for the record.
We’d get the Iggles before we got the Giants. The Giants are literally ON the east coast, same with the Redskins.
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I'd punch Goodell in the face.
That’s not a threat. That’s just what would happen. My fist would lift, and I would become airborne, like superman, and fly directly to NFL HQ, and punch Goodell in the face. Right. In. The. Kisser.
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Good catch on the Eagles
Well after doing some research, I found out a couple of things.
1) The best possibly financial move for the NFL would be to keep the Vikings in Minny and move Tampa Bay to LA
2) The stadium costs in LA may require there to be two teams there to use it, much like the Giants and Jets share the Medowlands. This means that there may actually be an expansion team there as well.
3) The Bills are likely at some point to move to Toronto, they have been testing the waters there for some time.
4) The other likely NFL expansion city, they need two to keep the league balanced and make scheduling work, would be San Antonio. Both the TV market, local population, and interest in football all exist there. Not to mention that they already have a 65,000 capacity stadium that can host an NFL team. The Saints actually played there after hurricane Katrina.
Not sure how the divisions would work out, but it seems like from a business standpoint this makes the most sense. I am not sold on the two teams in LA just yet though, and if they don’t get an expansion team the next one up after San Antonio would probably be Utah. Portland, or Omaha.
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Other expansion cities.
Portland, Las Vegas*, Omaha, Sacramento*, Columbus.
San Antonio and LA are the top dogs of the expansion options, but the aforementioned teams all have the population to support an NFL franchise.
(* – While Portland, Omaha, and Columbus all likely have the interest to support it in concert with the population, LV and Sacramento’s football interest does not measure up to their population.)
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Columbus would be tough
Yeah, they have the population, but Ohio State football always has and always will be king in that town, and any NFL team would be competing with the Browns and Bengals for pro attention, something I can’t see the Browns and Bengals ownership agreeing to. I just don’t see it.
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+1
and its not exactly the biggest state to share the fandom between either. San Antonio may have the population market, but I wonder how much of a hold the Texans have on them.
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Texas is a different kettle of fish.
they are CRAZY about football down there.
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yeah they would pull a Jaguars and be hurting in a couple of years for sure.
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Pull a "Jaguars"?
The problem with the Jaguars is that they didn’t do PSLs on their seats. They were at one point the most valuable franchise in the NFL with one of the biggest stadiums. Not making the fans pay extra to have season tickets was a decision by Wayne Weaver to help the fans, but the fans didn’t pay him back by keeping their tickets.
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by DownTownJax on Sep 23, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well with a crap load of college teams in Florida, the Dolphins and the Bucs
the Jaguars were a serious shoe horn to fit in. I have a buddy who lived down there and he used to tell me it was a joke trying to get the tickets. There were business that had them on their front desks with a sign saying take one…
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I lived there too.
They aren’t giving them away. Winn Dixie used to give them away as a promotion, but the Jags don’t give away any tickets themselves except for their Honor Rows promotion to donate to students. There wasn’t a single blackout last year. Don’t get me wrong, they’ve got trouble, but there are teams in worse situations.
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by DownTownJax on Sep 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry then
He probably was over exaggerating, but then he also worked for a radio station so that may add in there as well.
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I dunno, I mean other than Texas I don't know of a state more football nuts than Ohio, and it really hurts me to say that
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1) I don’t get how moving one team instead of another makes it a more financially feasible move. The Trojan already play in LA. They could just share a stadium. I don’t know the situation in Tampa with their lease and whatnot, but it looks too damn easy to move the Vikes.
2) The Bill win NOT move to Toronto. Mark my words. Toronto is about 1 hour away from Buffalo. People go there to see the Bills anyways. Besides, it also gives the Bills a chance to charge 500 bucks a ticket whenever they play in TO
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In answer to point 1
It’s because all teams do not generate equal amounts of money. The Bucs in TB have a really hard time filling their stadium in past years and the market in FL is stretched really thin between three teams.
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why would they not move the Jags?
they literally give seats away there.
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No
They literally and figuratively do not. Where did you get this idea?
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by DownTownJax on Sep 23, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
buddy of mine who used to live down there a while back
Maybe he was pulling my leg maybe he just worked in an office that did, he seemed pretty serious about it though. I personally never saw it happen so thusly I may be a complete idiot.
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Still
Its moving a team that basically doesn’t have a contract versus moving a team that has a contract. In negotiations and whatnot, that should make a huge difference
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Dead on
Stadium contracts could easily be dealbreakers. Minny’s lack of a stadium deal makes them an easy target. Not many would question that a team belongs there, but it could be a long time till an opportunity comes around again.
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by DownTownJax on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mav pretty much covered 1 but meh, ill answer anyways
1) You move Tampa Bay for several reasons
A) It helps both Jacksonville and Miami who are located in the far north and south of Florida respectively. Tampa is in the middle of the state and the fans would likely split off to help both of those teams.
B) It helps solve the alignment issues by swapping Tampa into the NFC West and the Rams into the NFC South, geographically speaking
C) Of the Florida regions, the central area is the most financially depressed and the other two markets are actually more viable and sustainable in the long haul
2) The Bills may not move soon, but one Ralph Wilson, who is pretty long in the tooth, kicks the bucket, there is nothing really stopping them. If the Toronto fans can travel an hour to Buffalo to go to a game the same holds true the other way. Also Buffalo is one of the most economically challenged teams in the league, along with Green Bay. This is part of why the owners did not want to fully disclose the books. If players know the actual financials no one will want to stay in those towns, because the teams cannot afford the salary spending that a Dallas, New England, or New York team can. Hell even the Lions put them to shame. This is part of the reason why the Packers always build through the draft and have guys waiting in the wings. It is why they let players like Brett Favre and Cullen Jenkens go, they simply cannot afford the same amount of superstars that other teams can. By moving to Toronto the Bills would get a major financial boost and they would be the major Canadian draw for several provinces not just the Toronto metro area. You could eventually see teams in Vancouver and Montreal as well.
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Buffalo not heading to Toronto? - I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Ralph Wilson is around 90 years old and can’t have very many years left. When he passes there is going to be a huge inheritance tax on his assets. The family does not want to pay it – so a new owner has to be found. No one in Western NY has the kind of $$$$ to keep the team there. There is lots of $$$ in Toronto and Toronto’s CFL team is the weakest franchise in the CFL from an interest stand point. Don’t be suprised when the bell tolls for Ralph – that Buffalo ends up in Toronto – a top 10 North American market. BTW – they would be a perfect rival in the NFC North for the Lion’s.
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Good point, if the Vikings did go east, I would love a Toronto team to be added to the NFC Norh
Even better, lets keep the Vikings and add in the Toronto Duck Billed Spotted Quayles too!
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I must say that although you suggest the Bills may move to Toronto, I must agree with Latif that they most certainly will not. I will say however, that although L.A. is making alot of noise about expansion teams(they make alot of noise about everything), I fully expect the next two, yes two, expansion teams to be international. I can’t envision a scenario where they don’t give London a team. Canada would almost assuredly get one. Didn’t the NFL even have a game in Mexico? Although, I don’t think Mexico is much of a long term possibility.
I’m probably way off base, as there’s tons of logistical problems with teams outside the continental U.S., but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see four teams in a new International Football Conference (IFC).
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Thinking more:
I don’t see why they couldn’t do it. Their away games can be strung together as well as teams playing them at their stadiums will always be the game before that team’s bye week. Meh, maybe I’m just on mind altering substances. L.A. may get two teams, Sacramento, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Anchorage, Salt Lake City too many cities with possibilities. I have a head ache.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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I dont really see teams going into Mexico and Central America...
… or even ‘across’ the pond to Europe anytime soon. NFL Europe folded earlier in the century, but who knows for sure. As regarding teams coming into the league or moving, theres several options out there. For moving teams, Jacksonville and Minnesota are prime candidates for being moved out west, there is even talk of the Chargers possibly going up to LA once their lease with Qualcomm Stadium is up. But personally I dont really want to see any cities lose their teams. What I could see happening is this (with more Expansion of the league). I could easily see them expanding to 36 teams at some point in the future, with LA getting at least 1 team, and Toronto (assuming the Bills aren’t moved) getting a team. Montreal might also be a candidate for a team as well north of the border, as well as Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver (though most probably root for the Seahawks there already), Regina, Ottawa, or even Winnipeg. so say they add a west coast Canada Team and an East Coast team (assuming the Bills stay in Buffalo) LA would likely get at least 1 team, and I could see Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, San Antonio (though I doubt they’d want to split Cowboy & Texans fans away), even Salt Lake City or ‘smaller cities’ like Boise, Idaho could be a possibility. I could then see the NFL going back to 3 Divisions per conference with it like this (assuming Toronto, LA, SLC/Vegas and OKC)
NFC:
East: NY Giants/Dallas/Philladelphia/Washington/Toronto/Carolina
Central: Detroit/Green Bay/Minnesota/Chicago/Atlanta/Tampa Bay
West: Arizona/San Fransisco/Oklahoma City/St Louis/LA/New Orleans
AFC:
East: Buffalo/New England/New York Jets/Miami/Indianapolis/Tennessee
Central: Pittsburgh/Cleveland/Cincanatti/Baltimore/Houston/Jacksonville
West: Denver/Kansas City/Oakland/San Diego/Seattle (from the NFC)/(Las Vegas/Salt Lake)
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Hard, but not impossible.
I think with proper scheduling it could work and not be too much of a disadvantage.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Las Vegas
Vegas is just not a sports town. A sports betting town, yes, a town for its own team, not so much. I remember discussing this with YpisilatiJeff, we concluded that Vegas is just too transient to focus on a local team. Stranger things have succeeded though
I do agree that OKC is a prime spot for a team. I see that town succeeding where as I see L.A. failing (again).
Rather than going back to three divisions, I was opining that they would just create a new conference. The obvious problem is starting up that many new teams and a new playoff bracket complications. Maybe the winner of that conference gets inserted somewhere in the existing playoff bracket, deleting a bye week? There’s still kinks.
There’s always problems, but it is fun to think about how it will go about. I will say that although a team or two will move, the next big thing will be an expansion explosion including at least two Canadian and two European teams. I just have a feeling. With proper scheduling considerations, I just don’t see the time difference really creating that much of a problem. The problem I see there would be more of the passport/probation concerns(sorry convicts). A big business like the NFL will not let that stand in their way.
I was going to list cities I thought would be in the running for a team in my last post. In your post, you echoed most of what I would have written. OKC, Toronto being the top two. Boise is a dark horse, but I think it’d work. San Antonio expansion team, no. San Antonio inheriting a team, maybe. I’m not so sure about Salt Lake City. I think that’d work only if the team was geographically located outside actual Salt Lake City limits. Maybe Ogden?
On your divisions: Love the NFCC! However, would love to trade Atlanta and bring in the Brownies. I approve of the other divisions.
I’m sure the NFL will do something totally backwards and unexpected, but this has been a discussion I like.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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If we get the Eagles
I will refuse to recognize them as an NFL franchise. Both games against Philly would immediately become exhibition games that Detroit would need to blow out while inflicting as much pain as possible. It’s not a rivalry game, it’s a nothing game, against a nothing team.
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by TheLoneDavid on Sep 23, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always thought they should split up Ohio
Most states (OK cities) with multiple teams are in different conferences. I’d like to see the Browns in the NFC North. Move the Rams to the AFC to fill that void, and then put the new LA team/Vikes in the NFC West. Now you have an NFC/AFC split of the two So Cal teams as well.
States shouldn’t beat themselves up trying to get into the playoffs.
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the Cleveland Browns would go to the NFL North precisely because of the history and the rivalry. The Browns and the Lions, Packers, and Bears go way, way back.
I could see the Rams going to the AFC South and the Colts joining the north
I feel we would get Cincy before Cleveland but neither seem like good matches for the north. It will suck if the vikings leave
"I could see the Rams going to the AFC South and the Colts joining the north"
With the LA Vikings joining the NFC West
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Good stuff guys
If Detroit does come in and finally beat us in the Metrodome, just make sure you guys kick the hell out of the rest of the NFC North, OK?
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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
no... I think he means "if"
and I’m sure he means “ESPECIALLY” kick the hell out of the pack.
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by Admiral BigGun on Sep 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It'd be sweet to fuck up the Packers again
but Monday Night Football is the one game I want Detroit to dominate. MNF, and the Bears. I fucking hate the bears, their asshole fans, and the team that snuffed Matt Stafford out for two straight seasons. Fuck the Bears on Monday Night.
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by Skylar on Sep 23, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
YERP
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
You said a mouthful brotha....+100000000000000000000
It’d be sweet to fuck up the Packers again
but Monday Night Football is the one game I want Detroit to dominate. MNF, and the Bears. I fucking hate the bears, their asshole fans, and the team that snuffed Matt Stafford out for two straight seasons. Fuck the Bears on Monday Night.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
Oh, and fuck Jared Allen
He’s one dude I will enjoy watching losing today @Minnesota.
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So....bout dem Vikings
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If the Vikings move
Do the fans root for a team in LA, or do they choose another franchise? I would have to check a map, but would GB be the closest team? Could Vikings fans actually root for GB?
Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?
Minny is an ideal spot for a team, it would be a shame to lose them
As for what teams are close, they are kind of in the middle of St. Louis, Green Bay, and Chicago, so the fan base would probably split off to those teams.
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If I woke up one morning and discovered that I, somehow, had become a Packer fan, I would spend the rest of the day searching high and low for a way to kick my own ass.
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by Christopher Gates on Sep 23, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I wonder what kinda effect the Vikes moving would have on the North.
It’d be really weird without them(the SOB’s they are lol). Imagine if they do move to LA, Vikings in the NFC west, and Rams move to the North/Midwest/? Stafford vs Bradford twice a year! That would be so cool. This division would be the new East in the eyes of the media, except for the being overrated part.
I'm a diehard Vikes fan
But if they move to LA, I will burn down the respective houses of Mr. Zellers and Ms. Koch, and root for the Bills. Why the Bills? They are the AFC equivilent of the Vikings.
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I guess at that point you would keep rooting for them if they move to Toronto?
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By the way, I would not worry about if the Vikings move
1) Your city is a prime NFL venue, it would just be a matter of time before another team ended up there.
2) I think it is all political posturing and bullshit and when it comes down to it, a stadium deal will get done.
3) Even if a stadium deal don’t get done just look at what is happening with the last city to take that stance, L. A. Yep that is right, just refer back to point 1. Minny is too much of a metropolis and too much of a market in not only population but TV revenue as well. Only a matter of time before a team would be back in town. Probably one of the foundering Florida teams, or who knows, maybe even the Bills :P
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I actually didn't know that it had gone that far
I’d hate to lose the Vikings, as much as I hate you guys, you are still brothers.
For the north's sake
and for all the Viking faithful I hope the team doesn’t move. Wouldn’t seem right the Vikings being anywhere but Minn.
just my .02
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