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On Paper: Detroit Lions At Minnesota Vikings

Welcome back, everyone. This week, the Lions head to the Metrodome, where they haven't won since 1997, yet are three-point favorites in the matchup. Let's see what the numbers have to say:

Lions Pass Offense (6th) vs. Vikings Pass Defense (23rd)

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*GASP* The Lions failed to outperform the Chiefs' averages in quarterback rating allowed. As shocking as that may be, I don't think anyone in their right mind would consider Matthew Stafford's performance last week as below-average. I highly doubt the Chiefs will continue to allow a 114.3 passer rating on average. The Lions passing attack continues to be lethal and has showed little signs of stopping. 

Pass protection has been pretty solid, as well. While the Lions are the only team in the NFL who has not allowed a sack, Stafford was hit plenty of times last week.

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The Vikings counter with a pretty solid pass defense. Though yardage ranks them as 23rd overall, in terms of passer rating allowed, they rank 13th with an average of 87.4. The Vikings defense has been awarded with four sacks (T-19th) and three interceptions (T-4th). Looking at the chart, it appears opposing quarterbacks have performed just below their season averages, so we can conclude that the Vikings pass defense is about average, or slightly better than average.  

If that is the case, we can expect another stellar performance by Stafford and crew. Through two games, Stafford is averaging nearly 300 yards a game, 3.5 touchdowns and has a passer rating of 112.0. Advantage Lions +2.5.

Lions Run Offense (12th) vs. Vikings Run Defense (10th)

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After week one, it appeared the Lions running attack was improved. However, after the Bucs defense was dominated by the Vikings last week, it seems success against Tampa Bay is easier than expected. Combined with last week's sub-par performance, it is becoming clear that the Lions running game is, again, below average. They are averaging a mere 3.3 a carry (T-24th). Obviously, this hasn't slowed down the offense, which has scored the second-most points in the league, but it is still a little unnerving.

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The Vikings run defense has been a story of two very different weeks. In week one, they dominated the Chargers, holding them to a pathetic 2.9 a carry, but ended up ceding over 100 yards and 5.5 a carry to the Bucs in the following week.  

Minnesota has only given up 4.0 a carry overall, good for 14th best in the NFL. They clearly have the advantage on paper, but as the past two weeks have shown us, this matchup is not very important to the final outcome of the game. Therefore, the advantage is only Vikings +1.

Vikings Pass Offense (31st) vs. Lions Pass Defense (7th)

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After one of the worst performances by a quarterback in week one, Donovan McNabb rebounded in week two to put up modest numbers. Unfortunately for him, he was not able to reach the bar set by Stafford in week one against the Bucs. At first, I thought the 31st ranking based on yardage was a bit deceiving, but the Vikings rank 30th in passer rating with an awful 71.3 average. Perhaps the biggest positive sign for the Vikings passing attack is that they have only given up four sacks, which is tied for ninth best in the NFL.

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Though the Lions have given up more-than-average yardage in their first two matchups, they have held both opposing quarterbacks below their passer rating averages. In fact, the Lions rank second in the league in passer rating allowed (60.0). It is worth noting, however, that the Bucs and Chiefs don't exactly have the most dynamic passing games in the NFL. But it seems pretty clear that the Vikings don't either. The Vikings passing attack is not the center of this offense's identity, therefore the Lions' advantage is small. Lions +1. 

Vikings Run Offense (3rd) vs. Lions Run Defense (13th)

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No doubt about it, the Vikings rushing attack is as strong as it has ever been. Adrian Peterson is fourth in the league in rushing yards and is averaging an impressive 5.3 a carry.  But don't sleep on Toby Gerhart, who has 52 yards on four carries and also has a 42-yard reception. He may be scarcely used, but when he has touched the ball, he has made the most of it. To drive my point home, the Vikings also rank fourth in rushes of over 20 yards. They are good.

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The Lions run defense remains a bit of a mystery. They were impressive in week one, but the Bucs didn't exactly hammer the running game down the Lions' throats, only rushing 16 times. The Chiefs had success last week, but, surprisingly, the Lions actually held them below their average yards per carry. Still, holding a team to 5.2 a carry isn't exactly an astounding accomplishment.  

The last time the Lions faced Adrian Peterson, they held him to just 31 yards on 14 carries (2.2 YPC). But that week, as noted by new blogger Nate Washuta at Holy Schwartz!, the Lions completely sold out on stopping the run on nearly every down. This was likely because Joe Webb was their quarterback that week. With McNabb behind center, the Lions will have to at least acknowledge the Vikings' passing attack, which should give Peterson a somewhat successful day. Vikings +1.5.

Overall

The Lions are left with a small +1 advantage. This may come to a surprise to many Lions fans. Many were predicting a sweep of the Vikings in the preseason, and those feelings were only strengthened by the Lions' 2-0 start and the Vikings' winless streak. However, the Vikings held double digit leads in both of their games. In fact, they have outscored their opponents 34-7 in the first half! Of course, that also means that they have fallen apart in the second half, having been outscored 41-3 in the final two quarters.

Still, I think the Vikings are a better team than most are saying. Despite the fact that they lost to the Bucs last week, I believe the Vikings will be the best overall team the Lions have faced this year. The game will seemingly come down to which unit is more successful: the Lions passing offense or the Vikings run offense. I think the advantage there is pretty clear. Lions 24, Vikings 20.

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294 was Stafford’s passing numbers. Hill also had like 30 or 40 yards….

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by rames on Sep 23, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

for the yds the chiefs allowed...

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by rames on Sep 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

this was purposely done, as Hill’s numbers are irrelevant to the matchup. Also, I’m not positive on this, but I believe the Chiefs started putting in second string players as well.

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by simscity on Sep 23, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minnesota better than Tampa Bay? Not in this universe.

Considering that the Bucs just went to Minnesota and beat them, and were the better team in 2010 and the younger team too, I find that premise hard to understand.

I don’t want to make out that the Lions will blow the Vikings out, though they may, but the Vikings are just not that good a team IMO.

I think the Lions will win by about ten points.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 23, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

vikings outplayed the bucs for most of that game

Vikings outgained them in yards by a fairly large margin (398 to 335), and had a 17-0 lead in that game. Obviously no great team manages to lose a 17 point lead at home, but having watched the game, I really think the Vikings are the better team.

Be my friend on twitter @DetroitOnLion, but please don't be my friend in real-life. You all scare me.

by simscity on Sep 23, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

We can’t sleep on the Vikes. They are a team of two halves. Luckily, we have come out very strong in the first half of our games, too. If our D can play like it did week 1 we will win this game.

by ATL Lion on Sep 23, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dickensonian

It was the best of halves, it was the worst of halves, for the ViQueens it will be the worst of games, period. They are not going to stop us in this game, we have too many weapons. They might get some rushing yards here and there, but McNabb will be harassed all game long.

We are as complete a team as there is in the league, we have no real weaknesses that are glaring to focus on for other teams. I’m gonna enjoy this game.

by SanDiegoMick on Sep 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They said they are going to try to get McNabb out of the pocket more so he can throw on the run.

 I don’t know if this is their gameplan or if they are just conceding that our D line will run through their O line.

by ATL Lion on Sep 23, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb will be out off the pocket

running for his life, this is simple, the lions are just better. Better talent, faster and have a massive edg. Who cares if the vikings want to win cuz they lost 2wice, The lions have bean told for years they suck, the lions edge is ima show the world were great and they are sleeping giants. end score 32-10 lions. not close at all. this team is looking for blood.

by sandvet on Sep 23, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the Bucs get no respect from anyone but this is ridiculous.

I guess we will see by the end of the season, and maybe after this weekend’s game. I see the Bucs as a contender for a playoff spot. The Vikings? Not so much.

And I never said that we should take the Vikes for granted. They have a very good D Line, solid LBs, and the best running back in the league. What they do not have is a QB that scares the hell out of me like Josh Freeman. I like our chances.

"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up as always simscity!

These ‘On Paper’ articles always give me a healthy dose of optimism and make me look forward to Sunday more than ever!

I watch the Detroit Lions and I....

by Lions & Panthers Fan on Sep 23, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I love these write ups

Maybe you need a neutral color for when they are too close. Like the Bucs passing yards allowed. We got a green because the avg was 244 and the Vikes got 243.

by ATL Lion on Sep 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Good job Sims

I agree with you and think this will be a pretty close game.

by Stones1981 on Sep 23, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree with ya buddy. This won’t be close. Detroit by at least 14 probly 21. I’ll be on the boards Sunday to gloat or eat crow

by awayfromthepride on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Detroit should have the same philosophy

selling out to stop the run. Let McNabb beat them.

by jeremy j on Sep 23, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I still see the Vikings as a mediocre team.

They should get someplace between 6 and 8 wins this season. While I believe that Vikes running game will give the Lions some trouble at times, it will not be as effective as it has in the past few seasons. We are used to facing the Vikings with historically bad defenses. This defense is much better than any unit we have rolled into the Hubie dome with for over a decade. We would have to go back to the days when Chris Spielman was at his peak to find a better Lions defensive unit, IMO. What’s more, this defense has not hit anywhere near their peak yet. They will get a lot better as the season progresses.

Once you get past Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin, the Vikings offense is just not very good. I like Gerhart, Shiancoe is OK, an Hutchinson may still have a couple good seasons in him, but the rest of the bunch is below par.

The Vikings defensive stars are aging. Kevin WIlliams will be coming into the game rusty from his suspension. Antoine Winfield is still very good, but he is getting pretty long in the tooth. Jared Allen and Chad Greenway are the players that are still playing at their peak. If we block Allen and run away from Greenway, I think the Lions can have some rushing success.

The Lions passing game is just simply going to rip up the Vikings. The only hope the Vikes have, is to get pressure on Stafford, and I don’t think that will happen often enough to keep the Lions from moving the ball well. I hope Stafford can start faster in this game instead of having a shaky first quarter.

I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.

by TuffLynx on Sep 23, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

good points

although, I have to say I’d be shocked if the Lions got the run game going on Sunday.

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by simscity on Sep 23, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if the Lions could get the running game going

even if the other team was on the bench. We have been a crap running team for so many years now.

However, i will take the short-pass-to-Best-as-a-running-game model any day.

by ATL Lion on Sep 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

who cares

if the run game dont work, whatever the deff. gives ya take. if thats passing then pass. if its saying the jets, bears and heath evens are shit then they are lol

by sandvet on Sep 23, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well....

I said the KC game would be close and I was right…LOL. Srsly, I see this game as the defining one of the season so far. A lot of things to overcome, first win since ’97 on road, first time favored since , what, ’81? So much hype from even the TOP experts! ALL the ones on Yahoo pick Lions(unheard of!). Williams back at DT. Vikes trying to prove they are better than the first two games, knowing another loss would just about wipe them out of playoff contention( if they ever had a chance anyway). I DO like the Lions in this game; however, THIS game WILL be close. There will be no blowout Sunday. Could go down to last five or even two minutes. I like your prediction although I predicted myself in another post earlier 27-20 Lions. I think you may be a bit closer and it could be by one or two points. IMO, there are three keys to this game;
1- the obvious; contain AP.
2.-STOP STUPID PENALTIES AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIMES!
3.- Play the ENTIRE 4 quarters!!
If we can do this, we will win this game.

Sir Ronbomb

by Ronbomb on Sep 23, 2011 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

As good as the Vikings are on paper.

And I’ll admit it, they’re better than 0-2. They may well be the best 0-2 team in the league, in fact. But, as good as the Vikings are on paper, if we beat them everyone will still say we haven’t beaten anybody.

This is including the many people that are predicting Minnesota upsets us.

"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson

by Mavyrk on Sep 23, 2011 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

In my mind, this is a big game

It’s the first divisional game, on the road and with all this momentum and hype behind us, it’s gonna be up to us to prove we are the team we say we are. I think this game will be close for the majority but a late TD may just stretch the scoreline a little. I’m thinking 27-17.

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 23, 2011 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Every game this year will be a big game for us.

Everyone already has a built in excuse for every game we win up until Turkey day. We gotta keep our heads down, keep grinding away and show everyone we’re the real deal.

by fiendishdr.wu on Sep 23, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t get away from this asshole! Millens co hosting NFC play book. Why the he’ll would anyone pay this assclown to comment on a sport he clearly knows NOTHING ABOUT!
(rant concluded)

by awayfromthepride on Sep 23, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Lmao

I was so busy making my M****n rant, I didn’t even see that you just made a M****n rant above me. You win this round sir lol.

by fiendishdr.wu on Sep 23, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt M****n on Playbook NFC!

C’mon man, is nothing safe? His face and voice has got to ruin this for me too? Talking about he likes the Packers…….no shit captain obvious! He spent his entire time here making things as easy as possible for them.

by fiendishdr.wu on Sep 23, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

DM_Purp

Of course this isn’t the same team that went to the championship game 2 years ago
Doesn’t need to be. We’re playing Detroit…..the Lions is their mascot. Remember? If you’re trying to tell me that Detroit is going to the NFCCG this year, I’m going to throw up. I think you’re watching too much ESPN. The Lions won 6 games last year. How are they now just guaranteed the playoffs and far superior to us? They’ve beaten TB this year. Hats of to them for that, but it’s not like they blew them out and TB was coming back just like they did against us. Detroit has a LONG ways to go. I remember a few years ago they started like 5-1 or 4-2, something like that and people thought Joey Harrington was going to be the next Montana and lead them DEEP into the playoffs. I think they finished 6-10 that year? My point: when they’ve had such bad teams for such a long time, ANY improvement feels like they’re winning a SB. Conversely, we almost always have a solid team(playoff contender) so last year and the start to this year feels like we’re only going to win like 3 games(even though we could win anywhere from 6 to 10 games, IMO)

Hopefully he sees this because I couldn’t comment on the Vikings site and not to seem like a puss so hence the title.

Much has been talked about the Vikings controlling the first half and then being dismantled over the second. However, (point one) no one on the VIkings seems to recognize the Bucs were never close in that first game. The score was far and away from actuality. Our OC basically went vanilla the second half and it almost screwed us over. Mike Williams had a TD at the very end of the game so it was 27-13 until like last 4-5 minutes. Against the Chiefs Scotty learned and didn’t let up. Second point. What does it take to convince you that the Lions aren’t “far and away?” A long way to go, really? Your argument is fallacious. If a team (any in the NFL) was riding a 6 game winning streak, using back-ups and back-ups of back-ups and is without their 1st rounder for the starter of this season, I’d say they are a force. Point 3 nobody thought Harrington was going to be the next Montana and Harrington wasn’t our qb when we started out 6-2. Last point, you don’t need to tell us about how baby steps make us feel good. The only reason we are this hyped is because this team is legit with Stafford.

by Lionsfan012 on Sep 23, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice post Sims and a nice breakdown

the numbers are skewed because Staff was working with a short field so often (thanks to our D) and was so efficient with his throws. Was I the only one surprised when they showed his passing yards of 294? Felt like he had more because of the way we moved down the field but the final score is what matters.
Minnesota’s going to be tough, we have a history of struggling in their place. Is AP going to break a longish run?Yes he is AP and a damn good back after all but will our D adjust? Yes We have a different middle than they’ve seen before and they are coming together nicely.
We’ll come out on top by 10 points but it’ll be a game till the forth quarter.

"You still need pieces on offense"-said my Vike fan friend. Did you see the KC game?I answered!

by JayBDet on Sep 23, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

LINEBACKERS!

Holy hell did they score on signing these linebackers. It was a huge hole for us last year. Durant had 11 tackles last week. Tulloch has been all over the field. This upgrade means more wins this year, starting with Minnesota this week. AP will see a whole different look from last year, and he isn’t going to enjoy it.
LETS GO LIONS!!!

by LionsD on Sep 24, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I missing something here?

Mr Stafford has SEVEN TOUCHDOWN PASSES. If he stayed in against KC he would have 8 or 9. They could not stop him. This can’t be stressed enough, they could not stop the Lions if their lives depended on it. It will be no different for the Vikings, unless they just upgraded their runty cornerbacks this week.
 
 The vikings best corner is five foot nine. I see huge games coming for the 3 wide receivers and another 4 touchdowns for Stafford. These guys are just getting used to playing together again, it’s been a year since they’ve played together, and Titus is new. They appear to be firing on almost all cylinders.
Also, Linehan is just now getting to implement his tight end attack this year, that’s why they got rid of the fullback.
Again, they are just getting warmed up.
No need to mention the utter destruction that awaits Mr. McNabb. He may want to retire at half time. Can’t WAIT to see Tulloch and Durant say hello to AP. It’s going to be a rough outing for him as well. 38-14
Is it Sunday yet?

by LionsD on Sep 24, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

High Scoring Day

Thanks for the great read. I think Matt will push the envelope again and rack up the points. Its probable that the Vikings will put up a few points so our 1st String will stay on the field the whole game. 17-42 Lions win big. 3-0 for the first time since I was 2 years old!!!

by Blue_Pride on Sep 24, 2011 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

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