Stafford through his first 16 games
Yeep Stafford has finally played and started 16 games. Granted a few injuries have happened but we can not be like some QBs that never get hurt (Farve) but at least he has made it 16. So where does he stand for stats I wondered.
Well lets see.QB Rating 75.8
Completions 337
Attempts 591
Completion % 57.0
Yards 3779
Yards per game 236.2
Yards per Attempt 6.4
Yards per completion 11.2
Touchdowns 28
Interceptions 23
Fumbles Lost 2
Well lets look at some of these other great QBs, I am thinking of looking at Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers. First up is my favorite for a long time Brady.
Brady had a near full season his first year truelly playing of 2001-02. So lets just use those 15 games.
QB Rating 85.5
Completions264
Attempts 413
Completion % 63.9
Yards 2843
Yards per game 189.5
Yards per Attempt 6.9
Yards per completion 10.8
Touchdowns 18
Interceptions 12
Fumbles Lost 3
Not bad in fact I will highlight what he has over Stafford. Now lets look at our Manning which is scary as his first season he was thrown at the role and frankly since I have not seen the stats before I post them I will save my comments for after them.
QB Rating 71.2
Completions 326
Attempts 575
Completion % 56.7
Yards 3739
Yards per game 233.7
Yards per Attempt 6.5
Yards per completion 11.5
Touchdowns 26
Interceptions 28
Fumbles Lost 1
I was quite surprised to see how close Manning and Stafford are. I mean their TDs to Ints are very close, yards close, completion %, I mean just about every stat going down the line is nearly the same. Only Manning gets Stafford on Y/A and Y/C along with Fumbles Lost. That is just amazing IMHO.
Next up is Drew Brees. I will not look at his first season game and throw that out even though it appeared to be a good game by him.
QB Rating 76.9
Completions 320
Attempts 526
Completion % 60.8
Yards 3284
Yards per game 205.3
Yards per Attempt 6.2
Yards per completion 10.3
Touchdowns 17
Interceptions 16
Fumbles Lost 0
Again not a bad season for a 1st timer. I will have to say his seasons in New Orleans look goon on the whole however he has thrown quite a few interceptions. He Needless to say I think is 04-05 season as essentially his 3rd year in the pros was one of his best seasons right up with his Superbowl run back in 09-10.
Last but not least is heir Aaron Rodgers. I will not look at any of his seasons until the first one that he got out underfoot.
QB Rating 93.8
Completions 341
Attempts 591
Completion % 63.6
Yards 4038
Yards per game 252.4
Yards per Attempt 7.5
Yards per completion 11.8
Touchdowns 28
Interceptions 13
Fumbles Lost 3
Alright lets be honest sitting behind Farve had to help for those 3 years. I mean he is killing all of the 2000 decade QBs with his stat line. I mean that is just nuts IMHO. But that is what happens when you are allowed to sit and learn versus being thrown at the wolves. However its the amount of sitting Rodgers did that has made him to be an elite QB after only 3 seasons as a starter. I would like to compare more qbs but I just do not who to compare Stafford to. I know some would say how about Big Ben although its a good idea I think you have to understand that Stafford being hurt during his run of 16 games means he is closer to say Brady and Brees both QBs who had a season off essentially before being given the nod. And no I will not look at the other Manning brother as he was in a similar boat as Big Ben as they both had a strong Run game when they took over. BTW the Lions during his first 16 games are 6-10. Not a bad record for a rookie. Manning went 3-13, Brees went 8-8, Rodgers 6-10, Brady went 14-5 and win himself a Superbowl how rude of him of upshot all of these good QBs. In any case thats the results. I think Stafford is in Fine company IMHO. BTW I do not want to look at non 2000 era QBs as the game has changed so much since the 2000. It be like comparing apples to grape fruits.
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Staff's statline isn't too bad after 16
The TD/INT ratio is pretty good. Accuracy is a little down, but it’s a small sample size isn’t it?
not really
I mean its 16 games well started games anyways. Brady did not start his 1st game but subbed in so I think overall it works. However lets look at this. I think most folks will agree that a great QB will have at least 10 productive seasons. Right now Stafford is on Number 2. Rodgers is on number 5 I think, Brady is on 11, Manning is on 13 and Brees is on 10 I think. So for me that is 1/10th of a good career. Now there is some players like Farve who played until he is was in a wheel chair but frankly most QBs do not go past 15 seasons. Plus by then you are looking at being 36 to 39 years old. That is getting up there IMHO.
Stafford has a very respectable first 16 games, however, you have to temper those stats a bit
If Aaron Rogers gets points deducted for sitting for three years then Stafford should get some deducted for 1.5.
I am not being overtly negative here, just fair. Honestly I think in a very morbid, round about way, Stafford has actually benefited from being injured.
1) While his injuries may have been fluky, I do believe he is even stronger now physically for having gone through that and less likely to be injured in the future.
2) Being forced to sit on the bench, and up in the press box allowed him to mentally learn the game and take a lot of mental reps to improve, much like Rogers.
3) Because the team struggled without Matthew they had a worse record then they oud have if he was healthy, allowing us to Draft players like Ndamukong Suh, Jahvid Best, Nick Fairley, Titus Young, and Mikel Leshoure that would otherwise have likely been off the board and on another team before the Lions selection. So when he came back, the team around him was much stronger and has a far more talented core to support him.
I know Leshoure is injured, but we all just have to write a rain check on that one for now, and judging by the Lions track record in recent drafts, I have confidence that he has a very good chance of being a difference maker.
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Well he didn't sit for 1.5 years before accruing 10 of those starts.
So the comparison is kind of moot. I say we just wipe the slate and see how he does in this year.
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I guess what I am saying, is it would be more accurate to just project his rookie numbers to 16 games
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Agreed.
I’m just saying, I don’t know what the fuss is about Stafford finally having played 16 games. We all knew it would happen (eventually), but his performance in his rookie/sophomore year is irrelevant. What we should be worrying about is how well he’s playing now and in the future; absolutely he has benefited from his time on the bench, but what he did in his “rookie year” (first 16) compared to what anyone else did in their rookie year is never going to mean anything in the long run.
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I guess I dont comment enough
What this post shows is that he has good numbers and those numbers even while taking part of 3 seasons show him rivaling the first full season of 4 of the best QBs in the league. Like the comparison or not the stats are right there. He is going to be a great QB when he plays. I also think his 6-10 record is pretty impressive also. Of course the Lions have to further his growth by keeping the good players and releasing players that are not preforming. I would also like to say that the Lions are on track to go with my preseason prediction of 18-1. I just wish Killer could see this team now. I know he was thinking 8-8 however he also felt the Lions could go 12-4 without a question. Its just too many questions before the start of the season. Now those questions are being answered and I can say 18-1 is looking good.
I agree, it's not even comparable like this
His first 10 starts he was a rookie and playing like it. The last six he’s been the beast that we see now. You could twist these numbers in so many different ways to say what you want them to say about his development. I just like the way he’s playing right now. What I love is something not seen in these stats, the leadership and poise that he’s shown. I think he’s as confident a qb as any of these guys on this list and that’s a good sign moving foward.
by fiendishdr.wu on Sep 30, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree ESmurf
both that you can’t take his ‘had-to-start-early cause Culpepper sucked’ stats against him when he was a rook, take out his 1st 4 games then recalculate his ratings.
and also that sitting because of his injury made him a much better QB, rather than gunslinging until he got it figured out he was allowed to study the pro game and his team and his place in it.
When we drafted him I thought we got a good QB, big arm and who can forget the ‘07 Sugar Bowl?Had a good running game there and didn’t know he was as smart as he is.
But with his time on the sideline and his time to completely rehab and work out all the kinks and come back stronger, believe he is on his way to a stellar career.
The the talent that got added because he wasn’t available you have us where we are now.
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Nice comparisons. Interesting even though they are not an indicator.
I am looking at this year as basically the second year of playing time for Stafford, since he was hurt so much. I just hope he does as well as Dan Marino did in his second season. So far, Stafford is right on track.
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If you go by the numbers,
He’s in the same class as Manning, Marino, Favre, Fouts. He’s a gun slinger, and he will be in the top 10 in all passing categorys by the time he retires.
If your not going by the numbers,
He will still finish as one of the best ever.
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I personally wouldnt call him a gunslinger
neither would i of manning.
They were both #1 picks that are very talented. Gunslingers dont have the best machanics they just find a way to sling the ball. he (as well as peyton) are very good machanecaly. Gunslingers are regulary are going to have a higher number of picks because they take bonehead chances, but then come back and make a great play.
agree with everything else though lol
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I would
agree Manning isn’t.
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at this point in his career anyway
Stafford doesn’t always show proper mechanics. He often throws off his back foot with a slightly side-arm release. If he’s given the time, he’s very techniqcally sound, but he’s certainly not like Manning, Brady, or Brees in setting back up after having to move in the pocket…not saying he won’t improve though.
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Side arm throws dont mean anything.
Now throwing off his back foot does. That was one of the things I hated about Favre, he threw off his back foot WAY too much, and half the time it was a completion.
Gannon (one of my all time favorite Raiders) threw side arm all the time, as a matter of fact, when i used to play football (sandlot, not organized) I throw side arm a lot. I’m more accurate side arm than overhand.
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I can +1 that.
The only way I can make a short throw is sidearm, if I try to overhand it it’ll either hit the dirt, be a jump ball, or be one of those lobbing “I’m a girl” throws.
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lol
It can’t be that bad now.
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Well considering the last time I threw a ball was like three months ago
Yeah, the problem remains. All my other throws are overhand but if I want to get anything shorter than 10 yards at chest level it’s sidearm all the way.
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oh, and your right about Manning,
He’s not a gun slinger, just the greatest of all time in my opinion. I’ve only been watching for 16-17 years, and I never seen anyone who could come close to as great as Manning. But its still early, and Maybe Stafford can show he’s right there, hopfully.
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Gun slinger may have been the wrong term
What i meant was he can very easily lead the league in yards, and maybe even TDs. I just meant he can put up the stats like Manning, Marino, Favre, Fouts, and that makes me feel great about our chances for the next 10-15 years.
"Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz..."
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"May the Schwartz be with you..."
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Interesting look, but the important takeaway is where is he right now.
His first year he played like a rookie most of the time, forcing throws and making some [many?] terrible decisions. He had his moments [Redskins and the Browns] but overall he di not look very good.
His second year he progressed a lot. He looked very much in command against the Redskins and Jets, and the quality of his decisions and passes improved greatly. This is a very small sample size, but there was a lot of progress from 2009.
This year he has made another great jump forward. His accuracy is much better, and he also appears to be going downfield more often too. The communication with his WRs, especially Calvin, is outstanding. There are still thirteen games to go this year and it will be fun to see if he settles in and plays at this high level all year.
"Filling a need doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting a good player," said Schwartz. "It doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that best fits; it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re getting a player that’s better than what you have already."
that's honestly the most impressive and exciting thing about Stafford to me
The fact that he’s improved so much each year. You’re right, he played like a rookie. While he showed flashes, he had a lot to work on. In the meantime, we’ve upgraded his options and he’s done all he could to improve. I don’t think anyone really knows what his ceiling is. In 4 years from now, he could be very good, he could be the best…
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Did you scam this from David Birkett?
The title and idea?
http://www.freep.com/article/20110930/SPORTS01/109300432/1049/rss14
Gotta give credit where credit’s due…. I realize you compared different QB’s, but its still tacky to lead your readers to believe this was an original article.
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.... Or looking at the date of the article...
Maybe he scammed the idea from you… either way…
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hmm
I was reading on Mlive and somebody mentioned that Stafford has now completed a full 16 games and I thought that would be a great fan post to compare him to some of the Greats that are now playing. I did not even see his article yet so maybe I will take a peek.
Its all good, i dont read Free Press, so i wouldnt have seen it.
So thanks for ripping it off, or they ripped you off, which ever.lol
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I think the stats for the first 16 games of a QB's career
are probably the most irrelevant. It’s really how he has improved and shown growth, which in Staff’s situation, he absolutely has.
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You got a real good point there.
I can’t think of anyone right off hand, but there are tons of guys who sucked their first 16 games, and ended up being pretty good. But how many can you name that did start off with good numbers who ended up not being too good.
I know that’s not EXACTLY what your saying, but it is a nice start for someone who SHOULD only get better and better.
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Well, Rick Mirer was suppose to be the next Joe Montana.
I’m not exactly sure how his first 16 games looked, I’m sure I could look up some others. But, the main point is that Stafford is getting better, and he’s shown tremendous knowledge and ability. A bust, he is not.
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by FMFDOC8404 on Oct 2, 2011 4:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im retracting my previous statement.
He IS getting better and better. What a great comeback these last two weeks. What a sweet TD pass to Calvin in the endzone.
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Hmm
Interesting point however I have to say having stats that are comparable to Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers is also a good caveat IMHO. In any case enjoy the game today at 1pm. I want to see us go 18-1 and this is one of the games on the W list.
One thing to consider
Look at the teams around Rodgers and Brady when they came into the league. Brady had the benefit of a top notch defense to keep the games manageable. Rodgers was surrounded by playmakers and had three years of learning under his belt.
The Lions were an absolute mess when Stafford came in. They had just come off one of the worst seasons in NFL history and had a very low level of talent. The games were put in his hands early, which lead to a lot of mistakes. His “first 16” numbers are comparable across the board to the guy who came into a similar situation, Peyton Manning. In fact, many would argue that Manning’s situation was better because he had a top notch running back to work with, Marshall Faulk. However, Manning did all this his rookie season, where Stafford’s first sixteen were spread over three years.
When judging Stafford though, I throw all that out the window and look at what he’s doing now. First and foremost, he’s making good decisions with the football. He’s finding open receivers and exploiting mismatches. One of his two picks was off the hands of a receiver. He’s throwing the ball away when he’s in trouble too. Second to that, he has the physical tools to be successful. He has a canon arm, his deep ball is as good as anybody’s. He is accurate too, he can thread the needle through a tight hole with velocity. He has good feet and can throw on the move.
Where I think he needs improvement is in pcoket presence and touch on short routes, both are things that come with experience. One of the sacks he took last week was Robison coming flat out and it looked like Stafford never saw him, it wasn’t even the blind side either. That wasn’t the only time I’ve seen him not know a defender was coming on him hot. Also, it looks like he tries to rifle too many balls at recievers when he shouldn’t be. I’ve seen balls hit receivers right in the chest because they weren’t ready for a fastball to come in so quickly. As sharp as he is right now, he is only going to get better. IMO, Stafford will rival Rodgers and Brees in 2 or 3 years.
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