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2012 salary cap info

Okay folks now that we have our 53 man roster done lets look at the future of our team.  First and foremost is where did the 2011 salary cap is sitting at.  With the NFL rules stating that only the top 51 salaries count towards the cap we are at $120,367,991 that puts us about 3 million left for this season.  Now lets also consider that 3 million borrow which so we are pretty close to being even.

 

So what we have left to do is consider the future cap and where we stand at it.  Right now from what I been reading it appears the cap number will be around 125 million.  Now we currently have 104,596,359 on the books with 32 players signed up.  That means we will need to put 21 million into only 20 players.  That is very doable on the surface but after the jump I will show which players we currently have on the rooster that will be looking at free agency next year.

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Drew Stanton- QB

Maurice Morris, Aaron Brown RFA, Jerome Harrison, and Stephan Logan RFA - RB

Maurice Stovall and Rashied Davis - WR

Chris Morris, Dylan Gandy, Jeff Backus, and Corey Hillard - OL

Sammie Lee Hill RFA, Andre Fluellen, and Cliff Avril - DL

DeAndre Levy RFA, Isaiah Ekejiuba, Bobby Carpenter, Ashlee Palmer RFA, and Stephen Tulloch - LB

Erik Coleman, Brandon McDonald, Randy Philips, and Eric Wright - DB

Don Mulbach - LS

Now there was a post sometime in August that talked about salaries and what not regarding rookies and Free Agents.  Of the 24 players listed above only 7 players were draft picks of ours the rest were either waiver claims or free agents that we grabbed. 

For each of these players there is a 2nd caveat I should mention in regards to the salaries.  If we were to give each of these players the base minimal we will be looking at 18,295,000 of course that is going to sign 56 players which means 3 more players will be cut from our IR and current rooster.  I am sure that Jerome Harrison, Randy Phillips, and possible Chris Morris or another OL would be let go.  That alone saves over a 1.5 in salary however we still have some issues. 

The major issue I see us making payroll next year is going to be what it will take to sign our Defense.  Of the players listed above almost all of them are starters for us on defense.  Now Stanton could be had with the league minimal or UDFA for next year.  As for the issue of RBs with Leshoure coming back next year we should only need AB and either MM or JH of course MM is a higher cost but is also a proven article.  With SL being a RFA we should be able to get by with a league minimal offer on him as well. Although I would like to see another rookie come in a give us some more talent at this spot I just do not see a need at this point, give it a few years then grab another RB like Leshoure.

Next up is WRs.  Right now we have our top 3 tied up for the future.  So what we will need more than likely do next year is look at the youth again and see if anything sticks.  Either way its way too early to see what will happen at WR for next year. 

As for OL here is the hard thing to discuss.  We have 3 signed OTs but a key backup and a starter are going to be FAs.  Now I would like to see us tie up Backus for another 3 years without a signing bonus.  However the league minimal is nearly a million and adding another million more than likely will not keep him here.  Frankly that would be steal if we could tie him up with a 3 year 6 million contract.  I think its going to cost at least 3 million per year.  As for Hillard I think league minimal would work for him or even a slight bump above that. As for our interior I think it all depends on our tackle situation.  If we stick with Backus I think we cut loose of our current interior OL and draft replacements.  If we cut loose Backus I can see us drafting another LT to provide some competition. 

Next up is our DL.  This is rough one to look at IMHO.  Avril deserves a big contract but I just don't see us willing to part with a lot of money.  The only thing I can see us doing is starting him at double the league minimal and going big after 2013.  That could be done but its a risky move on our part.  As for SLH I think bump of above the league minimal should be sufficient.  I just do not know with our current cost of our DL being 23% of the salary cap can we continue to dish out these big contracts.  Personally I think the bosses will try to put some nice escalator clauses in these contracts until we can get Corey WIlliams and Vandenboches contracts off the books.  I just do not think we will resign those two but rather draft replacement(s). 

Our LB as mention above is a crazy point.  Levy is a RFA so we can keep him tied up.  Palmer is also a RFA so another he is tied up.  Them along with Durant and Hogue is our LBs for next year.  We should have an idea by the end of the season if Carpenter or Tulloch is worth keeping.  Whoever is worth it should be kept.  I do not see us keeping Isaiah at this point.  That means another draftee will need to be looked at IMHO to fill out our LB corps for next year. 

Lastly is our DBs.  I know that keeping Wright is gonna be dependent on how he performs.  He is an unknown agent at this point.  He came to us at a higher cost over 3 times above league minimal but if our DL does their jobs he might come back at a lower rate.  Needless to say we will have some thinking to do with him.  Plus the aspect that we do have some options for that spot with our Nickel and dime backs plus a possible rookie that can be squeezed into this spot.  As for safeties, we are stuck with our current 3 of Delmas, Speivey, and Wendling.  Personally I would like to keep Coleman for another year just to provide a little veteran leadership for Delmas and Speivey. 

Now some final thoughts, yes we have some options for free agents next year I think the principle item is going to be what happens this season.  The major aspect of why its looking pretty bleak is we had to over spend for FAs and for having high draft picks.  The draft picks are looking better now that there is a rookie wage scale in place.  That will help out in the near and long term.  The major issue facing us is the free agents we signed and keeping current high priced draft picks signed to us.  The good thing is by 2014 we should be seeing an improved salary cap number similar to what we had pre lockout.  The problem is we have a lot of contracts that will need to be looked at after next season. 


I must say though it is much better to have money to spend on players versus being like the Steelers and have to cut players or salaries just to sign players.  From what I read was they are over on the cap by 20 million for the 2012 season and they still need to fill out their rooster.  So the future is looking okay in my books.  What we could also do is sign KVB to an extension that would lower his cap hit next year the same for Williams.  The major cost item for next year is Megatron.  He is scheduled to be over 15 million next year so if we can do an extension that lowers his cap hit next year by say half we should be doing a lot better cap wise and be able to keep some of the FA's for few more years. 

 

Okay I am done now for a few days.  I think my hands are going to trying to kill myself for forcing them to type this much.

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Just a couple points...

Randy Phillips was placed on Injured Reserve on 08/21/2011.

In my understanding, once a player goes on IR they do not count against your roster limit or your salary cap for the remainder of that season.

Mo Morris is on the final year of his contract with the Lions and it is doubtful he will get a contract extension given his age. It is fairly certain the he will be the odd man out when LeShoure returns for next season.

Jeff Backus is getting to the age where he will have a difficult time keeping a starting position. He might be able to extend his career by moving to right tackle, or agreeing to be a backup player. In either case his salary will be reduced to compensate for the changing role on the team. The determining factor at this time appears to be the continued development of Jason Fox. If Fox appears capable of taking the starting left tackle job away from Backus then we might be able to convince Jeff to play out the remainder of his career in Detroit under a more cap friendly contract.

I do not expect Dominic Raiola to last past this season as a starter. We are already seeing indications that the Lions have the offensive line on their radar for the next big upgrade project, based on the number of players the Lions looked at in camp for the offensive line, and especially center. If he is demoted to backup, or cut, that will also free up a considerable amount of money. I doubt that the Lions would keep Raiola on the roster as a backup under his current contract. If he refuse to renegotiate to a lower salary he would get cut.

I essentially agree with your assessment on the defensive line. The Lions are going to play Corey WIlliams and KVB under their current deals, then they will be phased out by draft picks. The replacement rotation for Corey WIlliams may already be essentially in place with Suh, Fairley, and Sammie Lee Hill. Just add another young guy like Calloway, or just keep Fluellen in the rotation. The Lions will have to make a more to get another DE at some point when KVB is done playing.

I see a similar situation happening with Nate Burleson. He is pretty much playing out the end of his career with the Lions unless he turns out to be some kind of freak that stays good deep into his 30’s. The Lions will replace him at some point a couple seasons from now.

Great article! There was a ton there to think about.
I don’t see a big need to replace Isaiah Ekejiuba when we decide his run with the Lions is over. He is pretty much a special teams only player and that makes him pretty easy to rplace with guys from any number of positions. It could be as easy as keeping Caleb Campbell on the roster after he completes his second year on the PS this coming season.

The real sticky issue for next season will be Tulloch. If he works out well the Lions will need to cough up some cash to keep him longer term. But he is not going to necessarily be a guy that busts the cap. Linebackers just don’;t get that much bank in their contracts.

I do not see us getting a deal on Eric Wright. If he plays at the level of which he is capable, he could be back in teh conversation as one of the top CBs in the league. At that point he will get a very big raise because CB is one of the positions that does make big money.

I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.

by TuffLynx on Sep 4, 2011 2:48 AM EDT reply actions  

BTW, great article!

Lots to think about there.

I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.

by TuffLynx on Sep 4, 2011 2:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd your great effort!

In 2012, the Lions will find themselves taking the salary cap into account with everything they do—including the draft.

The Leos were fortunate enough to find Stefan Logan, who was a cap casualty in Pittsburgh. Next year, it will be the Lions who will be making cap cuts.

by mikeyclaw on Sep 4, 2011 8:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

I am still a fresh puppy here but been on Mliver for a while. I also read here quite a bit last year. In any case that is my first rec’ds I can recall.

by MisterEK on Sep 5, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article

I think a lot of people here have the polarized view of Backus, but fail to take into account the inexplicable man-love the coaching staff has for him. I could easily see him getting tagged for whatever reason. I just don’t see them getting rid of him for any reason as long as he is willing to suit up, even if it means turning Stafford into a permanent cripple.

Speaking of Stafford, should he manage to come through the season unscathed, I can see them resturcturing and extending his contract to free up more money. Same with CJ.

Defensively, I think the Lions have left themselves a lot oif wiggle room, and have given themselves an opportunity to evaluate some of these guys through the year.

I think the hardest guy to resign out of this whole list will be Stanton. If I’m his agent, I’m in his ear telling him I can get his a chance to compete as a starter in 3 cities, or get him guaranteed #2 money from 3 other cities on a long term deal. I don’t see the Lions offering that.

Thank you.

by TCLion on Sep 4, 2011 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I really don't pay too much attention to salaries anymore

For one, players will renegotiate, for two, if a guy is not worth his value, and a team can get the same or better player cheaper they will make a move

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 5, 2011 4:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Some new info

First is the cap info after the rooster moves so far. $5,959,137 is the amount we are sitting on for this year, that is after all of the changes so far. Second we now have 34 players signed for 2012 with a total salary of 102,789,259. That leaves us 22,210,741 left to sign 19 more players.

Now from the list above the only changes for the Free Agent list are the following:
Subtract Aaron Brown, Randy Philips (cut from the Lions website), and Chris Morris.

We are a little better now but we still have the same issues. Backus, Avril, Wright, and our LBs are all issues we are going to have to deal with.

Another note is that our 2013 season we are sitting with 68 million in salary for only 19 players. Of course that is really looking out but it could have some implications in the future. Needless to say it is all relative IMHO.

All I will can say is thankfully the new CBA agreement is so easy to follow. The rookies that are drafted are given a 4 year deal automatically with the first 3 years set and the 4th year set but an option to expand the salary. Bonuses can be paid but is limited. Undrafted FAs are given a 3 year deal with the team holding rights to the 4th year. Also since most rookies are stuck making the league minimal it is easy to figure out what their salaries are going into the future.

BTW the league minimals I been using comes from what the owners agreed with which seems to be a little higher than what netrats site has. Its from a steelers site, and the link is HERE.

by MisterEK on Sep 5, 2011 6:42 AM EDT reply actions  

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