Packers Shmackers
by Bret Crino on Sep 4, 2011 4:38 PM EDT
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PrintPackers, Packers, Packers is all you hear from analysts when asked who will win the upcoming Super Bowl. Pleas note I used the word analyst, which implies they analysed it. However they might as well be a herd of sheep with the notion politically correctness as their shepard.
If you do analyze this you will find it is highly unlikely the Green Bay Packers will repeat as Superbowl Champions. Since the advent of the salary cap only two teams have repeated, Denver Broncos and New England Patriots. Let's break these teams down.
The Denver Broncos, If you recall that team was the earliest team to perfect the zone blocking scheme. To this day, no one seems to do it as well as a Mike Shanahan coached team. If you don't believe me, wait to you see Tim Hightower's numbers this season for the Washington Redskins. It is Shanahan's second season with the team and preseason showed the O-line has started to master it. Hightower will be in the ranks with Olandis Gary, Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson and every other successfull RB's at Denver. Fans of Detroit can appreciate some of those names, they were all busts with us because the Lions front office compared rushing stats at Denver to rushing stats for other teams. Apple and oranges. Denver's running machine in their repeat Super Bowl victories was headed up by Terrell Davis, By far the best zone blocked down hill rusher. Davis rushed for 157 yards and a Super Bowl–record three touchdowns to earn the Super Bowl MVP in the first appearance.
This unstoppable running game "cake" had "icing" named John Elway, arguably one of the best QB's in league history. Doesn't seem fair. The only reason analysts didn't forecast Bronco's dominance was because the the Bronco's had gone to the dance before without success. But that was before Shanahan and his run game.
The Broncos repeated as Super Bowl champions the following season, defeating the Atlanta Falcons (led by Elway's longtime head coach Dan Reeves) in the following Super Bowl, 34–19. Elway was named Super Bowl MVP, completing 18 of 29 passes for 336 yards. Did you catch that? Long time coach Dan Reeves. That's almost as unfair as Tampa Bay's John Gruden facing the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII. They were still running Gruden's offense at Oakland. John Lynch was actually calling out the plays the Raiders were running before the snap. Is there anyone not related to Dan Reeves who knows him better than John Elway? Probably not. As you can see that second Super Bowl season was almost a "perfect storm" and that is what teams in the salary cap age of the NFL need to be repeat Super Bowl Champions. Unless you are the...
New England Patriots, the most dominant team in the last decade. I could rest my case with that but I will proceed. Bill Belicek and Tom Brady (could end it there too).
Tom Brady is one of the most prolific passers in NFL history. He was named the 2007 and 2010 MVP (becoming in the 2010 season the first player to be unanimously chosen as MVP) Brady holds numerous regular season and postseason records, including: most touchdown passes in a regular season (50); highest touchdown-to-interception ratio in a single season (9:1); highest single-game completion percentage, regular season or postseason (26/28, 92.9%); most consecutive pass attempts without an interception (339, still active); most consecutive regular-season home wins (28, still active); highest winning percentage of any quarterback ever during his first 100 starts (76 wins); most completions in one Super Bowl (32); and the longest streak of games with 3 or more touchdown passes (10 games). most career completions in Super Bowl history (100); Brady is the fourth-fastest player to reach 200 career passing touchdowns (116 games). He is the first quarterback in NFL history to have reached said mark with under 100 career interceptions (he had 88 interceptions). So, he's good.
Bill Belichick, arguably the best NFL coach in history. He was named the AP Coach of the Year for the2003, 2007 and 2010 seasons. His defenses will beat you even without talent. Early in his coaching career when he was an assistant with the New York Giants, his defensive game plan from the 20-19 upset of the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They have won eight division titles, including five consecutive titles from 2003 to 2007 (and only missed the playoffs on tiebreakers in 2002 and 2008). The Patriots have also defeated each regular season MVP they have faced in that year's playoffs (Kurt Warner in Super Bowl XXXVI, Peyton Manning and Steve McNair after the2003 Season, Manning in 2004, LaDainian Tomlinson 2006).
So when you lay it all out, the Packers don't seem to stack up. Sure Aaron Rodgers is a great QB and Mike McCarthy is a good coach but pale in comparison to the aforementioned. I also don't like the "and they were injured, wait till they get those players back" . It never seems to work that way in real life. I am not saying the Packers will be bad this year but they are in the one of toughest divisions (NFC North) and their schedule is matched against one of the other toughest divisions (NFC South). Not an impossible schedule but I wouldn't call it a perfect storm.
Another point I would like to make. You can judge the strength of team or program by taking out the best player (usually the QB) and see how they fair. For example, the Lions knocked Aaron Rodgers out of a game with a concussion . Lions won. "Analysts" didn't put much weight into it, "Green Bay had to go to their number two QB". The Lions played that game with their number three QB. Strong teams with great programs can win games without their star QB. The Pittsburgh Steelers held their own when Ben Roethlesberger was serving a suspension. Tom Brady went down for a few games the Patriots still won. The Packers were junk without Rodgers and based on the career of Steve Young and Troy Aikman, Rodgers is a hit away from ever taking a snap again. Not a team that will repeat as Superbowl Champions.
Who do I pick to be Super Bowl Champions? I don't know I am not an "analyst".
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So, if you took out our best player to see how we fare,
it would be Suh or Megatron. Which player would we be WORSE off without? I say Suh, but it’s close. Both players make everyone around them way better. Maybe a good topic for debate.
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Megatron hands down
Without him or Stafford were fucked we can still win without Suh
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Stafford and Suh
Are most valuable to the team. Nothing against Megatron, but the team is in bad sahpe if a receiver is your most valuable.
He's not the most vital player to the team
but I do think he’s the most talented.
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by TheLoneDavid on Sep 5, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
True, it's just the position.
There are 2 to 3 other WR’s and TE’s on the field that can absorb the loss.
The reason I didn't list Staff for this scenario
is simply because, imo, he hasn’t played enough to show just how much we would suffer without him.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
You're right he hasn't played enough
Only 3 games last year, but he didn’t leave a single one without the lead. Love Suh and Mega, but 9 is the best player on this team, you just don’t know it yet.
by fiendishdr.wu on Sep 4, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 6-10 showed how much we would suffer without him.
Losing tons of games just barely shy of the win. I suffered, didn’t you?
As much as I BELIEVE he is the real deal and will be instrumental in pulling us out of the doldrums,
but he still has a lot to prove as an NFL qb. With that said, I will (maybe/hopefully) draft him in my 16 team league as my first qb.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
You make good points here about great teams overcoming injuries.
Lol Packer fan would probably disagree, though.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
I voted Maybe
Until someone else wins the SB, they are the defending SB champs. They have a difficult road ahead of them, just like us. Really, an NFL season is not easy on any team. Just less painful for some than others. lol
As far as losing their QB and us beating them. It is a whole hell of a lot different losing your starting QB in the middle of a game than losing him before the season starts (Pitt) or so early on in the season that the coaches can make adjustments (us and NE). To NE’s credit, they won the game that Brady went down in and the next game too (we lost the first 4). The GB game for Stanton was his second in a row starting, thus allowing the coaching staff to work with his skill set allowing us to win 7-3.
I fully expect the packers to be the NFCN champs (mostly because I believe the Bears are going to fall off and we are not quite there yet). what they do in the playoffs is anyone’s guess. Any given Sunday and all that.
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I understand that Philosphy
of the champs until dethroned but save it for NBA. It never really applied to the NFL. My example was to show they can’t win without one guy. But it WAS our third string QB. I like cookies more than cheese.
Cookies more than Cheese?!?!?!?!
Are you insane? Oh wait, cookies are good too! But cheese goes on almost everything!
lol
anyhow, I honestly believe if we had been in their shoes and staff had started the whole season and went down against them. We would have lost that game too. It is so much more difficult losing a QB during the game than before it.
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I understand that
Does not make that point any less relevant to some of the points you made.
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Hey I'm all for someone picking the Packers
if they have valid reasons to have such a forecast. Not “they won last year”. I have heard at least four HIGHLY paid experts give that reason. “They won last year” is more of an argument why they won’t. Everyone is gunning for you, every game is harder, you had a longer season than all but one other team (runner up) who also has a hard time the following season. You put more tape of yourselves out there with all your tricks revealed. I thought these things were common knowledge, I should have mentioned them.
Yeah
“They won last year” also means that you were already good enough to withstand injuries, play the best and beat them at their own game…depends on how you look at it
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They did that and earned it but
more teams fail in a repeat quest than succeed, which in my brain means it is an argument against. With all this opposition of this subject I feel like Mugatu in Zoolander. “Am I taking crazy pills…I invented the piano necktie!”
There are plenty of reasons why teams don't repeat
but if someone put a gun to my head and told me to pick a superbowl winner, I would go with the defending champs 9 years out of 10 because they have already proven themselves. In case of the packers, not only are they proven, but they have quietly gotten better. All those rookies and second years like Desmond Bishop, Sam Shields, and Brian Bualaga just got one year under their belt and they added even more depth to the offensive line and backfield. If I had to choose today, I would still take the Pack. The AFC isn’t nearly as strong as years past and the Iggles have yet to prove that they can win in the playoffs
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You gave good points
as to why you are picking the Packers this year. I respect your opinion because of that. Think about this. The Packers were picked by many experts last year, they all jumped off the bandwagon and got back on just before the NFC championship game. But when they picked them preseason, they gave reasons why, just as you did. The Pack was not at that time SB champions, so the the experts did their due diligence and saw the growth of Rodgers etc. and then did their job explaining it to their audiences. You don’t have to prove yourself as a past champion to become one or to be predicted as one in the NFL. Actually a repeat is less likely. That is more true in the NBA or NHL for three reasons. The amount of games played in the season, playoffs are series not single games, and NBA and NHL hasn’t made the strides to keep the league competitive. The Packers getting better and other perennial contenders (AFC) are declining are great points.
Not trying to be the cocky Packer fan but
I kinda thought this particular offseason really benefitd us. With the lock out shortened season, no OTA;s minicamps I felt we have a big advantage basically returning our whole team complete, not having any players beyond role players and backups needing to get used to our system onoffense or defense
That may help.
I heard analyst pick the Pack stating aren’t going to be as tired and may fly under less radar because of summer news consumed with CBA. Those are valid points, but he wouldn’t have made them if he wasn’t trying to overcome the negative effect of being SB champs.
Don't buy it
Sorry, I don’t buy your argument. For you to go after analysts, and then base your argument almost entirely on two teams that are completely irrelevant to this year’s season is a bit ironic, in my opinion.
When you did finally talk about the Packers, you basically argued that without Rodgers they’d be nothing, while the Patriots and Steelers survived without their QBs. But do you really think either team wins a Superbowl without their starting QB?
The reason not many teams win back-to-back Superbowl teams is not that teams get worse than they were before, its just really REALLY hard to do. So many random factors are involved in the outcome of a game, and when a sport is single-elimination in the playoffs, luck is a major factor.
Will the Packers repeat? I have no idea. Is there any reason they shouldn’t be the favorites to win it? I don’t see any.
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by simscity on Sep 4, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Maybe I didn't explain it
You argued my point to an extent, Pat’s won because of sheer dominance and I forgot to add maybe i bit of cheating was involved. Denver won because of a great team that was very lucky to face a Dan Reeves team. I KNOW the Pack is good but nothing like The Pats at that time and I am not going to count on the stars to align again for the Packers to win it all like it did for Denver. History tells us that it is unlikeley for a team to repeat. As you said it is very difficult to win at all once let alone repeat.
Pats sheer dominance true
But did they even go to the Playoffs with Cassell as their starter?
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but they won reg season games,
which is what I mentioned trying to make the point that Pack doesn’t have the talent or coaching to do it two straight.
You know I was thinking...
First of all check the Websters for the def of ironic, secondly the ONLY way you can analyze is to look at the PAST forecast from there. So what were you saying?
sure, go to the whole "ironic" definition thing
Yes you can analyze situation by looking at past. But you’re analyzing the 2011 green bay packers and you’re doing so by looking at teams from different eras that have nothing to do with them.
I prefer to look at rosters, and past performance of players on the roster. The Packers have the most talented roster based on past performance.
You’re argument is based on the “gamblers fallacy”. Just because they won last year doesn’t mean there’s any less chance they’ll win this year. Just like if you flip a coin 10 times and come up with heads every time doesn’t mean tails is more likely on the next flip.
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Did you read the article?
I am not opposed to picking the Packers? My headline may have mislead a few and if you skimmed it you might think I don’t think the Packers have a chance. I would prefer mostly experts, mostly television, to do exact;y what you said “I prefer to look at rosters, and past performance of players on the roster. The Packers have the most talented roster based on past performance.” And you are right about the gamblers fallacy the probability of a repeat of anything seems less probable but is in fact not. My reasons for not repeating as Champs in the NFL are “. Everyone is gunning for you, every game is harder, you had a longer season than all but one other team (runner up) who also has a hard time the following season. You put more tape of yourselves out there with all your tricks revealed.” and history has shown in salary cap area is that is not likely, when you evaluate a core of strong contenders (not the whole league) one of them will probably win. Its kind of Champs vs. the Field ratio. In that strong contender field were Colts, Steelers, Pats, New Orleans, Packers, and Atlanta. None of whom have repeated.
Sorry, Pats repeated and
Afte I typed it the Champs vs. the Field statement I realized that is probably incorrect. But the probability argument is not in the article. (only my emotional rebuttal)
Don't know if we will repeat as Super Bowl champs
I would like to think we will be there at the end. I am of the opinion that some of those injured players coming back will make our team better. Not trying to discount your win against us, but we still hadn’t found a rythym or identity when we played you the second time on offense or defense. Grant goes down a 1400 yard rusher, Finley who a lot of our off season game planning seemed to revolve around (I feel he’ll be allpro if he stays healthy). Our starting right tackle Taushcer goes down.
On defense Barnett a starting MLB goes down, so does Brandon Chillar, Morgan Burnett rookie starting safety out for the season(he’s looking like a big time playmaker this preseason), our starting RDE Mike Neal went down for the season. Brad Jones starting ROLB went down for the season as did the 1st backup.
Those guys all went down for the season before we played you the 2nd time as well as Cullen Jenkins missed 7 games got back in time for the playoffs. To top it off Clay Mathews played on a fractured leg and wasn’t as effective the 2nd half the season until the playoffs began when he finally got healthy.
Yes, I’ll agee if ARod goes down there probably goes any shot at a SuperBowl, but we will be competitive. Matt Flynn looks like he could start for a few teams, it’s not the same getting thrown in a game in the 2nd half and not haven’t even taken a snap during the week with anyone but the scout team. The following week he came close to beating New England.
On top of that I couldn’t be more thrilled with our draft, Greene(RB), Cobb(WR) look like they could be contributors, you can’t ask for anything more than that with the depth we have. For depth 1st round OT Sherrod, 4th rounder House CB look like future players There’s not a player on our roster I’m not excited about. I go down and watch a fair amount of traing camp and I feel we cut some pretty damn good players, especially at the reciever position.
I really believe Detroit will make some noise this year because you have gotten better. I don’t know if we will win big one again this year but I really believe we will be better and as deep as we were last year I think were deeper
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who is this “the yooper” guy, lol i thought i had that name all sewn up. and a packer fan no less. let me guess, you are the guy i saw on twitter, that is also from Norway, mich.
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by yooperlionfan on Sep 4, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No Hancock, have lived in GB for 23 years, hve been a Packer fan 48 years
Growing up where I did I have been watching the Lions closely. I think they are ready to make some playoff noise barring key injuries. Many people say your still a year away, I don’t think so. You guys were respectable last year and have added more talent. You just have to keep Stafford healthy. My long drawn out response above was just trying to point out I think we will be better also. Love to play you guys in the playoffs
I think I speak for ALL Lions fans here
When I say we would LOVE to host you and the Packers at Ford field come the 2nd round of the playoffs, or better yet, let’s pull a Bears Packers game from last year and play each other in the NFC Championship game. Ford field is going to be a lot warmer than the Frozen Tundra come January.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I agree with you.
Injuries are part of the game and you can’t expect to be healthy this either. Yes you had many contributors down last year, but many teams do it is part of the game. I don’t buy that you will be better with those guys back. Only a few people on each team really affect the bottom line win lose number in their absence. A-Rod, Mathews and maybe Woodson would be those difference makers in my opinion. At Detroit Stafford and Suh.
disagree
you can’t tell me not having an effective RB (Grant) and pro bowl TE (Finely) isn’t going to effect you…and the middle of that defense took a hit last year with those injuries (though I’m not sure that middle is shored up with who they got right now)
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I don't think Finley would have given them an extra win,
and Barnett wasn’t good enough to win his job back.
disagree
I dont understand your point of “Finley wouldnt have given them an extra win” I think only the kicker can do that or a last second score. Finley is a good contributor.
and Bishop took Barnetts job. Nick Barnett was put on injure reserve and Bishop grabbed that opprotunity and excelled and helped with a super bowl. When you say barnett wasnt good enough then that means Bishop is better. That just increases their chances, eh?
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Don't sleep on Finley guys.
Rogers loves to spread the ball around I am not going to try and say he does not, but having his comfort guy at the TE position back will help his game out immensely. Look at all the ELITE QB’s and they all have 2 common bonds. 1: They spread the ball around to all the players. 2: They all use the TE as a viable weapon. Rogers is no different, and speaking of elite QB’s these are 2 of the reasons Stafford will take his place in the upper echelon of the league this year. Finley is as good as any of the elite TE’s in the league, he is a nightmare for LB’s and Safeties to cover.I wont put him in the Gates/Davis/Clark category just yet, but he is near the top of the next tier of TE’s.
How many lumps you want Doc?
This is going to make some people cringe but good TE's are a dime a dozen.
I love Pettigrew (he can block and catch)but I was absolutely pissed we drafted him in the first round. TE to me isn’t a first round pick. Detroit this preseason had FOUR TE’s who could be a QB’s safety net. Good TE’s are all over the place. It seems like when well known TE’s go down another replaces him and then he is great. Shockey Boss comes to mind. Pett Scheff Heller JJFinley etc etc
uhh but
if you have a great TE then you can go places. I dont know how Rodgers did it last year but he did. I wouldnt be satisfied with Sheffler or Heller as my starting TE. And i dont beleive in Kevin Boss being a top 15 tight end
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agree with all of that
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Finley is special, might just pass up Gates this year as the most dynamic TE in the NFL.
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I think Witten is the best in the league.
but i agree Finley is pretty damn good anyway
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Witten is good, but he is not as dynamic as Finley. He is mainly a possession guy.
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Finley also has to prove he can play a 16 game season.
Something I’m doubtful of. Just like Stafford, you can be the most dynamic player at a position, but it means bupkis on the bench.
this
whole area would go nuts for a pack/lions playoff game. i agree we are much improved, but i am leery of buying in too much just yet, til i see a couple regular season games. i’ve bit on the hype too many times to get crazy over preseason.
it’s understandable to have so many packer fans in this area, people need to remember the days before all the cable tv and such, that the packers and green bay channels, is all people ever saw here years ago. and their parents grew up packer fans
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I would love that as well.
I am not saying Packers are bad Lions are good. Maybe because I am a Detroit fan people assumed that’s what I was saying. I used that example because I witnessed it. But I I do believe the Lions have earned the Packers respect.
I love the "experts" (Charles Barkley lurking)
Especially when they use the “look how many guys were hurt, it”s like having two drafts" lol. Then when asked to list all the guys they have coming back that will actually have an impact, they say Jermichael Finley(He’s no Gates yet), Ryan Grant (who I think we can all see that his role has been diminished) and Nick Barnett(Oh wait, he’s in Buffalo). I get a real kick outta that shit.
They missed Grant
for a while until they finally realized Starks should be starting. Obviously didn’t miss Bledsoe oh..uh I mean Barnett.
The problem was Starks was on te PUP list couldn't play the 1st six weeks
Being a rookie it wasn’t until about the 13th week that McCarthy felt comfortable enough with him being assignment sure. Starks may over take Grant this season but with him missing all of training camp and being on the PUP he’s another player we really didn’t have for most of last season. Our 250 pound fullback Kuhn started over half the games.
Ahhh, I wondered why he didn't get more carries early on. I thought he was a PS squad player brought up.
The first time I saw him run, I knew he was better than Jackson and was puzzled as to why they didn’t lean on him more. But I guess he wasn’t as familiar with the offense.
I'm still trying to figure out what the point of this post was
The Packers…would suck…without Rodgers….ok?…Wait…this is a Lions blog…guhh…wha…head explodes
For the record, I think you’re selling Aaron Rodgers ability extremely short. Of course he doesn’t have the resume of Brady or Elway yet, but he’s started his career better statistically then any QB in NFL history. Look it up. He could very well go down as the greatest of alltime at this pace. And the Packers as a whole are no small shakes – they’ve got a talented group of wide receivers and TEs, a very good LB corps, and the best secondary in the league. What’s not to like? I’m drinking up the Lions Kool-Aid like crazy, and I still think the Packers have a good chance of repeating. Is it unlikely? Well, duh. But it’s the preseason and when you’re talking about odds to win the Super Bowl, the team with Aaron Rodgers has as good a chance as any.
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Rodgers is statistically good yes, but he has more of a certain C word than any other GREAT QB at his age as well. He wont last long enough to make the list of greatests.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Ya think davis please explain? I really think rodgers barring any more concussions will be around for a while and have quite the career.
That is his C word, Concussions, and with the line in the shape it is in, not looking good for Arod
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Hmm, Suh and Pep, ouch, I tend to agree, that times 4.
by transylvanian bear on Sep 5, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL it is "lets not allow HIGHLY paid analysts to merely say Packers are my pick, they won it last year"
You are backing up what you say with thought, that’s all I want. I think I chose a poor header. Two teams have repeated in the era and they were powerhouses for the reasons I gave. I personally don’t think the Pack is that type of team. I maybe wrong but I wouldn’t bet on them to repeat as SB champs. According to the poll, most people agree. Maybe would pe pretty easy to pick and yet most peeps are picking no.
I believe the Packers will likely win the NFC North, but...
I do not feel they will repeat in the Super Bowl. I think that Philadelphia will have something to say about that this year.
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I think you'll find another team crowned champion this year
It’s just so tough to go back to back, so many variables get involved. I think if the Packers make the Superbowl again they’d be doing well.
I think
The packers will repeat because Aaron Rodgers is one cool mother fuckin dude! and cause my uncle seems to think they suck for some reason and I’m all about proving that moron wrong..But in all seriousness the pack will win NFC north but no repeat, just not that good yet.
How can the Packers repeat......
when the LIONS are going to win it all!!! Woooo Hooooo!!
what can i say, i’m an optomist.
Thinking the lions are going to win the SB this year would either make you A.an extreme optimist B.an alcoholic C.A drug addict or D. all of the above!
And on that note Michael
The Buccaneers/Saints/Cards/Seahawks would have never went to the SB either. And the Saints would have never won 1 or the Bucks.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Seahawks playoff berth last year was an atrocity.I will say i believe in my lions but the SB seems silly at this point.Ask me again mid way through the season and obviously i will have a better assesment of that opinion.
I wasn't talking about last year.
I was talking about the SB that they went to in Detroit.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I don't know what's wrong with me this year.....I don't give a flying F about what other teams have done, are going to do, whatever.
I’m all in on this team, completely focused on them to take care of their own business, and the W’s will come if they do what i know they can do.
It’s almost like were the badasses on the block now and teams have to worry about us, not the other way around. Like when those PATS fans come over to answer shit about their team, it’s like who cares, get lost. Were the team that the nation is talking about, not your stale, cheating ass has been team. So F-off.
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Dammnnnnn Del
Your gettin down on some lions! I get it man I’m absolutely pumped on this season I’ll be drinkning mass amounts of that blue koolaid(alcoholic levels) and supporting my team every single sunday and any other day of the week we play.I just dont want to spout off at the mouth too much.Just how i am even with my red wings whom I have every right to talk shit to every other fan in the nhl about! i love them and they mean alot to me and im glad to have them period.I just try to keep my pride in check.
LOL,,,I criticize then where I think it's needed because I am a fan of this team, but yeah, it's definitely the year to just take of our own business and let the chip fall as they may.
As I’ve said, our QB has the talent to be the op QB in the league, our OC is top 5 or better, the Dline is #1, S.T. is top 5, that LB group is whatever the F they are, and the back 4 are underrated IMO. We are ready.
Screw everyone else.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
I think our QB has a chance to be a brady or a manning.Honestly better than manning and I really really dont think he’s injury prone.its never been medically proven the dude has weaker bone density or anything in that realm thus not medically relevant is the injury prone label.I will admit he needs to make it through this season but i completely have faith that he will and he’s gonna be on sports center every week as a weekly standout.The kids got it in him!
And I agree other than our lb’s I think they will be amazing though i also feel as many do that durant needs to take a back seat and let the carp take the wheel!dudes a beast.But eric wright has looked amazing this preseason and i think that houston is more than comperable.Berrys and up and comer and i also believe mcd’s is gonna be a baller.Im not worried about one facet of this team.Just want to see them do well thats it.Never been a bandwagon lions fan i watched every 0-16 game….but I am most definitely couting my blessings with this years team.
Good for you.....scream until your horse just for me.
.Does your momma have a Big Ass like your head?
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