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You know you have been waiting all year for this. No this is not a joke I'm gonna try and be as non NFL ref bias as I can here. Let the record show though I have been very vocal about my feelings about right gaurd Stephen Peterman.

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It was mentioned in a post by my man Big Hair Cut sometime ago that statisticly Stephen Peterman was one of our best offensive lineman this year. I can't argue with that, nor will I attempt to. I will give credit where credit is do. Peterman played well this year. Well obviosuly does not mean great. I want to break down my stance on Peterman as well as what I see as other oppertunitys. Not only to upgrade the postiton but a few players whom I belive can actually change our entire offensive line.

While Peterman has had a good season, some good games, and some solid series. The one thing every offensive line MUST have in order to be a solid well operating machine is consitency. If it's injurys, bad decisions, or not fitting a system. A player who can not perform consitently on the offensive line is a weakness. While you may not agree with me and I understand many don't. I am fine with that, I don't feel Stephen Peterman can even be that consitent guy at right gaurd. I also feel that why Dom is not a stellar center he does get underrated at times. While the Lions could very well draft a new center i think a stellar right gaurd would not only help Dom be a better player but to also help Gosder achive to be a very good right tackle. Now while I have said I don't like Peterman at his postion I want one thing to be understood. I don't want to cut the guy by anymeans. A healthy Stephen Peterman might actually be the best backup offensive lineman in the NFL. I see him on that line of not good enough but maybe just a little to good. I'd rather have him on the bench a people ask why he isn't playing than have him on the line as ask " Is this the best we can do? " The Lions need a run game, While you may feel it's overrated or the short pass game is our run game. It dosen't matter, the fact is a run game make our offense as lethal as it should be and also helps protect Stafford and wouldn't have been nice to keep Drew Brees off the field a few weeks ago. Leshoure and Best can be a mean combo if they can get one more part...

The Lions offensive line lacks one thing. A true run blocker and a road grader, Something the best Gaurds in the NFL do. Now I don't expect the Lions to break the bank this year. We have a enough cap issues as it is, but if I want them to bench Peterman I better have a plan right. These are just a few of the players I have in mind that not only upgrade 3 postions, Center, R Gaurd, and Right Tackle. They can help morph the Lions offense into an entirely different and more explosive offense than it already is.

1 . Carl Nicks - This is the long shot, One of the best in the NFL and still in his prime the Saints will likely have to lose him in free agency. Drew Brees is a free agent and must be paid. Carl Nicks is a monster and can do it all. The guy can keep our defensive tackles off of Drew Brees. Imagine what he can do to the NFC north inside pass rushers.

2. David DeCastro - I love this guy, Gaurd from Stanford who the Lions will have to trade up to draft. He would be worth every penny. Road grader, fantastic run blocker no question. This guy is complete in the passing game as well. We are talking a future Steve Hutchinson here. Also considered probably THE safest pick in this years draft right now.

3. Cordy Glenn - Georgia gaurd a very well rounded player. He's not a beast like DeCastro but more in the Lions price range in the 1st round. He will be a huge upgrade as well but he's not the dominant force the other two guys are.

4. Kelechi Osemele - Iowa states tackle is actually built to play gaurd in the NFL. Strong upper body gives him a good advantage in the run game. His experince as a tackle gives him good feet to pass protect. There will be growing pains with this guy and there is a level of gamble on him with Nick Fairley like questions about his work ethic. Some have compared him to Michael Oher as a player but projected in round 2.

5. Gosder Cherilus - Worse case scenario we land a new right tackle in this years draft. Hopefully the future left tackle for Staffords blind side. While we develop him we can slide the mean Cherilus inside allowing him to take advantage of help on both sides and use his power and mean streak more. Worry less about his finess.

Just a few ideas. As I have said DeCastro is my ideal pick this year I just don't see anyway we land him. If it were up to me Raiola and Peterman would be backups next season. We need to be looking for the future left tackle as well. One this is for certain I will be very dissapointed if there isn't atleast one new starting offensive lineman on this roster next season. So while I have been very vocal about my dislike for Peterman and some of his bad mistakes which seem to happen at the worse possible times. You can see I actually have some logic in wanting a change at that postion.

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Konz

Konz is a monster and an intelligent one. He can play Peterman’s slot while he learns from Raiola about playing center. This one pick solves a multitude of problems. Peterman gets to be a solid backup and we get to a new center. This guy is both a road grader and a center. What else could you ask for?

by rekar on Jan 17, 2012 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

I would not be surprised if we line up the same O Line again at the start of 2012.

Although, I think we may see a change or two during the regular season. I would like to see more of Culbreath this year. Unfortunately he was IRed due to “medical” reasons [not an injury from what was reported] and did not work out with the team very much due to the lock out.

I think it is going to be extremely difficult to project what the Lions will do with their first round pick. At # 23 a lot of positions will be in play for the Lions which in previous years would have been unthinkable that early. This reminds me of the 2009 draft when the Lions had the Cowboys first round pick [#20?] and took Pettigrew. They could have went O Line, LB, DB, DT, even WR. Mayhew will have a lot of flexibility here too. It really depends on how the Lions structure their draft board. And they guard that information better than any government can.

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by NorthLeft12 on Jan 17, 2012 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I would not be surprised at all to see the Lion’s FO go with the exact same guys up front next year. However it would be nice to see them get some new blood in the mix, sooner rather than later.

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by KDawg on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying it would be the end of the world

I would be dissapointed though if we didn’t add someone on the offensive line. After we spent so much time and money on the defensive line.

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by The Profiler on Jan 18, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Gos have a O.K. year

Moving him to guard would also work, he has one hell of a mean streak…

In the end I agree with North, probably be the same group in 2012 as in 2011

by msivits on Jan 17, 2012 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

re: Gosder at guard

I can’t find the article because it looks like the Detroit News changed their site, but I remember a couple seasons ago when Schwartz was asked about putting Gosder at guard. I only found the quote somewhere else:

He’s a tall rangy guy and I think he’s a tackle … I think he’s good right tackle. He’s still a little bit of a developing player, but I don’t think we’re at the point where we’re looking at him as anything other than a tackle.

I think the problem with putting Gosder at guard is twofold: he’s so tall that he could lose leverage against DT’s that are the same size as him but shorter. His long arms are good for controlling edge rushers, but guards are usually a little bit shorter than tackles for a reason. Also, Stafford is only 6’2", so it might be a problem to put a 6’7" interior lineman in front of a 6’2" quarterback.

That’s not to say he can’t play guard, but I like Gosder at right tackle more than guard.

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by n4ry4 on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

I mentioned this in a post a week or so ago. Gos is a tackle, without a doubt.

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by Nate D. on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree, I don't see that Gos is anything but a Right Tackle.

He would scare the hell out of me playing on the Left Side.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 17, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you have this exactly right.

The sight lines are very important for a QB like Stafford. Since the tackles are often brought down deep by defending the outside rush, they get out of the passing lanes very quickly while the guards and center stay in the way the whole play. I beleive that Gos is just too tall to be an effective guard in front of Stafford. It would matter less for a QB like Rothlisberger who is also pretty tall.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 AM EST up reply actions  

About the draft

For the past few years we have drafted according to talent and not position, do you think that will change this year? Will we focus immediately on CB/O-line or will we take the best player from where we draft?

Because there are only two positions that are pretty much closed up: QB and WR (maybe LB too) but other than that I believe we can take any other position. D-Line we prolly wont go for in the first unless we lose a player in FA.

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by Lionsfan8 on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I think Mayhew will stick to drafting the BPA

It’s worked great so far, so why fix it if it’s not broken? They have been drafting BPA, but I doubt they will draft another QB, RB, or DT. That said, many of the picks have surprised me since Mayhew took over. You just never know.

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by KDawg on Jan 18, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone knows

how bad I want Konz. And it seems that Swartz and Mayhew have almost intentionally made it a point to not draft who the masses are clamoring for, so odds are that the guys saying it will be the same 5 are right because of all the demand for line upgrades. And as Profiler said, there is always the talk about consistency and the chemistry of an Oline.

Goofy as it sounds, I wish they would consider drafting both Konz and Zeitler. This would reduce the chemistry issue to 2 gaps only, while upgrading 2 interior line positions and reducing the age of our Oline by nearly 20 years, which would bode well for Staffords future as well as the run game. As noted, it would also give us a superior backup in Peterman. It won’t happen, but is a viable option I felt was overlooked.

by Lionsickness on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

as a side note

I watched Ball run behind those two at C & RG multiple times this year and it was always impressive. Ball may have made the biggest mistake of his career in going back to school with both these guys set to go in the first three rounds.

by Lionsickness on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Just because the Lions may likely start the same five on the O Line does not mean they will not draft O Linemen.

They may choose to work them in over the course of the season, rather than start them from week one. Especially when you consider the Center position. Dom does all the line calls etc. and is a team captain. Hard to cut a guy like that loose in preseason.

I don’t believe the Lions draft with the thought of instantly starting a player……although they may have felt differently about Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Jahvid, and Suh.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

and I would do the same thing in their shoes. It just strikes me as odd how seldom the two opinions coincide.

by Lionsickness on Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't find it odd at all.

If we had access to scouting reports and had the football experience and know how they do, we might come to the same conclusions they do. At that point, we’d also probably have jobs in football somewhere. But we don’t, so all we can do is speculate. Sometimes we get it right, alot of times we don’t.

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by Leonuro on Jan 17, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the fact that

We get hung up on our guys that we want to draft. Mayhew and Co. may not have even thought about drafting those guys while we’re clamoring for them.

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by Bighaircut on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I imagine it must feel like a giant kick in the nuts

when they perform well for other teams.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I shouldn't complain so much

I’ve just been in a negative mood. Thinking back, I wanted Best, Leshore, Delmas, Suh, Young and Farley. I just shouldn’t type when I’m angry lol.

by Lionsickness on Jan 17, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Uhh, a lot of people wanted Stafford, and a lot more wanted Suh.

But I agree that Mayhew does not give a damn who the fans want when he is drafting.

Which is perfectly okay by me because frankly he knows what he is doing and us Lions fans………………..not so much.

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by NorthLeft12 on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I was up in the air

on Staff prior to drafting him because I secretly thought Freeman would be less apt to get injured. But I have been on the Stafford bandwagon since the first time he played in a Lions uniform. Glad Mayhew is doing our drafting.

by Lionsickness on Jan 17, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there were probably just as many people that wanted Curry over Stafford

Thank God I was not one of them.

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by JCruize on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I was...

But thank God I didn’t get what I wanted!! Thank God for that unanswered prayer! I’ve said it over and over since then…I was WAY off in that line of thinking, and I am so glad that we drafted Matthew Stafford.

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by KDawg on Jan 18, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually wanted Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe...

but I was fine with Stafford if we took him. I figured that if Mayhew and Schwartz took Stafford that they had done their homework. The only one I DIDN’T want was Curry. I just couldn’t see paying that much money to a linebacker.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 19, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said in that post you refered to

An average O-line in this day and age is a perfectly good O-line. Peterman is an average lineman. If we get an average Center in this years draft, I think we’ll have an average line. That’s fine with me.

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by Bighaircut on Jan 17, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

How many average O lines win championships ?

Even the Steelers added Pouncey. Not saying the entire O line needs to built with All pro guys like the saints. We don’t have one legit force on the O line. The best teams have that guy. Patriots,Colts, Packers all have atleast one big force on there O line. While I get what your saying I don’t think we should settle for average. Especially in the trenches and the D side is stacked.

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by The Profiler on Jan 17, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, the Packers don't really have a good Oline IMO

One big force in the Oline won’t change much, to be honest, for our line to be above average, we’ve got a lot to replace.

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by Bighaircut on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

No, they don't.

Add in that the Saints probably have the best o-line in football and they got bounced by the 49ers because of pressure on Brees. We really need to understand that sometimes the scheme will beat talent in the trenches. You can have a less talented group of players and they can excel if they play well as a unit.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 18, 2012 5:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Only one of the four teams left has a very good O Line.

New England has the best O Line left. San Fran and Baltimore have mediocre O Lines [at best] and the Giants O Line has been pretty awful this year.

I agree with Tuffy below, O Line success is not about having individual standouts, but having a group of players that work well together and match your offensive scheme.

On pass protection, the QB can make his O Line look much better than it really is. See how Peyton and Eli Manning and Tom Brady move in the pocket and quickly identify and get the ball to the open receiver. That is where guys like Flacco and Sanchez really fall short IMO.
Matthew Stafford still has some room to grow in this area, although he has looked outstanding at times [vs. Dallas and New Orleans] escaping pressure and still making plays.

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by NorthLeft12 on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Baltimores O line IMO is not mediocore

Marshall Yanda is one of the best in the league and Michael Oher while not the franchise LT he was expected to be is no slouch. Giants O line has not been great by any means but alot that has to do with age. Dheil has gotten to old. Snee is still a pretty good force on that line. Patriots Oline while not the Saints still has Mankins and he’s a monster. I also think Niners O line is pretty good theres just not any big names on it. Joe Staley is quitely been doing great.

The thing is were talking offensive line. Olines aren’t about names look at the Texans. It’s about a group of guys you hope to never know who they are. Sadly I know our guys names,numbers and adresses it seems.

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by The Profiler on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying the packers Oline is great

I would say when healthy it’s better than ours. I also think Baluga is becoming that force that anchors the O line. Who anchors our offensive line ? Nobody

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by The Profiler on Jan 18, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I mentioned this above, and I am going to start repeating it for everybody as often as possible.

The key to performance on the offensive line is often not about talent. It is more likely that the best offensive lines are good because of communication and proper play calling. What I am about to say now may be unpopular around there parts…

Dominic Raiola is not easy to replace. In fact, he is going to be damnably hard to replace. I am not talking about his talent or his physical attributes. I am talking about his experience in reading defenses and making the proper line blocking calls. No rookie is going to just step in and do that as well as Dom does.

A number of people have talked about how it is important to keep an offensive line together, and that is the truth. The communication and teamwork of an offensive line are built over time by having players get used to each other and knowing how to work together.

In the past two seasons we have seen the Lions offensive line improve in run blocking as the season progressed. Early in the year, the line had trouble blocking for inside runs. As the line play got better the inside runs began to be more effective. The same players were out there. They just got their timing and techniques refined to be more effective as the season wore on. The more this line stays together, the quicker they will gel each season.

I am one of the people that feels we need to start making moves to get some new offensive linemen. I am also one of the people that feels that those players are perfectly fine coming from rounds 2-5 of the draft. I have not seen any solid evidence that first round picks make your offensive line appreciably better. In fact, some of the worst offensive lines in the NFL are filled with highly touted first round picks, while some of the best lines in football have hardly any first rounders.

Playing offensive line is all about technique and teamwork. While you need enough talent to execute, not player is going to dominate battles on the offensive line strictly on talent. The defensive linemen in the NFL are too good for that.

I feel the Lions front office understands these facts ad they are going to draft appropriately. The only way we see an offensive lineman get drafted in the first round is if they are a clear BPA when the Lions pick. For that to happen, a top ten offensive line talent will probably have to fall to the Lions at #23. Otherwise, they are likely to take a skill position player over a lineman if all else is equal.

When you wade though all of that, it is possible the Lions would draft somebody like Konz or DeCastro if they had them ranked as high as the “experts” and they dropped to the Lions at #23. There are probably not very many other offensive linemen that would rank that high ion the Lions board though.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 18, 2012 5:25 AM EST reply actions  

I don't know that any of us has any idea of how the Lions feel about the O Linemen in the draft.

Trying to understand Mayhew’s [and the whole staff’s] thought process with respect to ranking of talent is very difficult because we [the fans] have a hard time getting past our own biases. We see issues on the O Line and Secondary and immediately think that these must be addressed in the draft. Mayhew does not seem to see it that way.

For the record, I am completely comfortable with trusting Martin Mayhew to acquire the talent this team needs to move forward.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 18, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

That's God's own truth right there.

I have had mixed success in trying to evaluate where any given player might sit on the Lions draft board. As each draft is completed I have giotten a better feel for how Mayhew and Schwartz think. As far as line play goes, I have seen a distinct distinct disparity in the approach to building the defensive line vs the offensive line.

The Lions brain trust appears to feel that the defensive line is more dependent on on pure skill. They have made a substantial investment in bringing skill players to the Lions at both the DE and DT positions.

The flip side is that the draft picks on the offensive line have all come in mid or late rounds and clearly represent development players. I think the Lions front office have taken a look at the offensive lines that are working well and made the same decision that I have voiced above.

It is clear that the Lions use a BPA strategy in the early rounds of the draft. The selection of Nick Fairley was a solid confirmation of that. Both Suh and Fairley are primarily three tech DTs. It seemed that the Lions were content with drafting Fairley to make an impact despite the fact that he would either split time with Suh or cause the Lions to rework their alignments and schemes on the defensive line. Not all teams use a one tech on their defensive line. It is quite possible to use two three tech guys. All that means is the linebackers would be filling different gaps.

It is also clear the Lions identify a couple guys in the draft and target them. They will make trades to get them if necessary. I feel that Jahvid Best, Titus Young, and Mikel LeShoure were all targeted players. The Lions made trades to get two of them and I cannot think of a more clear indication that they were targeted. I do not see the Lions drafting another high round running back this time around though. Another wide receiver to groom as a replacement for Nate Burleson is quite possible and even likely.

I also would not rule out the Lions drafting another tight end, if the right one is available. We would be looking for a guy that is a bit faster than Pettigrew that can still block. Guys like Jimmy Graham are making a big splash in the NFL and the Lions have had mixed results from Tony Scheffler. He has been hurt a lot and that has limited his ability to impact the game. Scheffler is also a liability in run blocking, so he almost becomes a slot receiver in the way he is used.

So, I guess what I am really saying is that we need to be prepared that the Lions are unlikely to spend their first rounder on an offensive lineman unless he is the BPA when the pick is made.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, very well put Tuffy.

Your observation regarding the Lions philosophy of D Line vs O Line is spot on IMO.

I think you might also include Linebackers in the “devalued” positions that the Lions consider for the draft. Again, the Lions appear to go for later round picks, bypassing the higher profile LBs available earlier in the draft.
Although we are working from a relatively small sample size. This will be a great topic for discussion in about five years……after we get bored about talking about which Lion’s Super Bowl win was our favourite.

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by NorthLeft12 on Jan 18, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The 5th victory was my favourite one

We came! We saw! We lost to the Saints
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by Wayne Fontes on Jan 18, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hope

we only have one new starter on the line. It would be disastrous if the Lions had a new LT and C/G. Would much rather have the cap space spent on the other side of the ball.

by Arrogant on Jan 19, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto, as usual but

I’m thinking O-line because, for the most part, at all other positions they are going for depth. The impending departure of Raiola and the position he plays puts a big premium on having some one on the line who will be able to move over and eventually replace him. Backus is in the same boat and they surely don’t want to be plugging those important holes at the same time.

If these guys weren’t at the end, it would make sense to draft a project in the low rounds. Now, a road grader center like Konz, may very well have a lot of value for them even in the 1st round. I don’t think it would be that much of a stretch because, at least for me, center is a high skill position.

by rekar on Jan 19, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We actually have a replacement for Raiola now.

His name is Dan Gerberry. He has been with the Lions for three seasons on the practice squad and by this time he should know the playbook and line calls well. We really know very little about him because the Lions have buried him on the PS. What we will find out in the coming season is whether the Lions were sandbagging to keep him or if he really is just not good enough to make the squad.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 19, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Tuff, I know about this guy

He’s been released 3 times. Some how I think he’s a backup. If this guy could, in anyway, replace Raiola, I think we would have seen something of him. I’ve got the feeling the Lions are going to punt on this one.

You’re right though, there are a group of O-line guys that need to show something next season.

by rekar on Jan 19, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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