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Well lookie here. Alabama CB, and Previously regarded Top 10 pick, Dre Kirkpatrick got arrested for possesion of Marijuana last night.
Most Mock Drafts that I have seen so far, have had Kirkpatrick going as either the 1st or 2nd CB off the board, and in the Top 10 picks.
Myself, I would jump at the opportunity to grab Dre at the #23 pick, if he fell that far. I don't consider weed to be a major "Character Issue", especially with the small amount he was caught with.
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Give me him
in the 2nd and Jenkins in the 1st!
by D-Town Dope Boy on Jan 17, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions
Now that would be DOPE...lol
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lol, yeah dude does look like Rodgers
If the dude can play and checks out with how the Lions evaluate talent, then sign him. Smoking weed doesn’t make someone a bad person. Unfortunately their are some bad ,aws on the books that label you a criminal.
by hasselhoff on Jan 18, 2012 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Professional and Pot smoker
Do not go together, when discussing athletes.
Alcohol, weed… what ever, should be the last thing on the mind of a draft pick.
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agreed
there is too much for them to lose. Not worth the risks.
by hasselhoff on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Professional and Pot smoker don't go together
Dont tell my boss.
Everything in moderation.
PS- yes, as a draft pick I don’t know why these guys don’t realize they need to lock everything down for 5 months and they will make an extra million. The other side is the kid just won the national championship and if I did that I would be partying my butt off as well.
Ehhh
Pot reaches all spectrums. You’re going to find pot smokers in every profession regardeless of its supposed prestige. Police officers, firemen, congressmen, presidents, priests, anti-marijuana advocates, etc. etc. I think j16941 hit the nail on the head here…he was busted with a small amount. He wasn’t Sam Hurdin it or flippin it like Jerome Simpson. He had a small personal stash. Hopefully he’ll be smarter in the future. But for now, as ATL Lion said, he just won the ship and is in college still…I’d be partying a little too.
by JFisch on Jan 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As a consumer of copious amounts of marijuana
the only thing I’d look at closely is his work ethic/concentration.
He might as well have been caught with alcohol, and I highly doubt too many teams are going to get bent over a MIP.
If he drops, I’d take him.
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it is possible to smoke weed and still perform your job at a high level(see what i did there?)
i work circles around these mexicans that work under me. they cant figure it out. if they only knew i stoned half the time they’d really be confused. ill take him as long as he isnt addicted to tequila.
Sounds like you have a job that takes some real intelligence lol...
That being said I smoke weed, work full time in carpenter union and have a 4.0 gpa in college. Pow take that non smokers!! The marijuana makes you dumb argument is about 30 years outdated. If anything it’s not as bad as alcohol.
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by bleedblue12 on Jan 19, 2012 3:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Weed doesn't make you lazy and dumb.
Complacency does.You can be a highly functioning human being and be on weed at the same time. Its the way people choose to let it effect them that cause’s that stigma.I know alot of lazy “stoners” but they were just as lazy off the pot as on.
Exactly...
Couldn’t have said it any better. I work, go to school, exercise daily and still find time to hit the bong lol.
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by bleedblue12 on Jan 20, 2012 7:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I say take him...
If you believe he is as good as advertised and if he falls. Hopefully we can learn from this mistake and get his life on the right track but I doubt it would happen unless he had some good, positive support around him. Some of the time players won’t have the support and continue to fail, like Charles Rogers.
erm... I don't consider Weed a character problem either...
But it all started with weed when we picked Charles Rogers too…
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I've never heard of Marijuana causing brittle bones.
But I’m no medical expert.
Actually it started with weed in college...
THEN he got injured
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Weed or no weed
Rogers blew it up when he was on the field. His brittle collar bones did him in, not his weed use.
Not really
After his rookie year, Rogers never did very much. He had a few good games and that is it.
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Because he broke his collar bone again almost immediatley
after 2 breaks the guy was done. It might have been mental, it might have been physical. Doesn’t matter. He was a good player done in by injuries, not really weed. The weed was the story everyone uses so they dont have to talk about how the FO mismanaged the guys injuries.
sorry
I live in Saginaw and, at the time, worked with one of his relatives. He told me after the first break the kid was done because all he cared about was partying. I think he failed 4 piss tests at MSU alone if my memory serves me right.
I’m not saying the pot caused the injuries or that the injuries couldn’t have been managed better, but this particular person is a staunch Lions fan and didn’t want us to draft him in the first place because he knew the kid had a problem.
by Lionsickness on Jan 19, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
4failed tests
and he was still a Belitnekov winner and was a monster player in college. In pros, Rogers first 5 games were better than Calvin’s first 5 (not by much and I am not saying that means he would have been better than CJ, blah blah). Pot or no pot, the guy stays healthy and he would have been great.
Now maybe the pot contributed to the guy going off the rails once he was hurt. He spent 2 seasons back to back on IR and if he liked to party and the team didnt try to keep him engaged, I can see how it would be easy to go to seed.
My point is, just because you are a huge pot head does not automatically mean you will fail at life. I know many 50 year olds who have huge houses and great jobs and smoke pot. (the corollary is also not true, smoking pot does not mean you will have a huge house and a great job at 50). If a draft pick has a pot bust, he doesn’t fall on my board that much.
you can't say
that it’s not a factor in how he turned out. Plenty of guys spend the first two years on IR and stick with it and their talent overcomes. Stafford is but one example. If he spent the last two offseasons feeling sorry for himself and being trashed 8 hours a day, do you honestly think he would have had the season he had this year? Plenty of people smoke pot and don’t have a PROBLEM. C. Rodgers was not one of those people.
by Lionsickness on Jan 20, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Tell me one guy
who spent 2 years on IR and turned out well.
Heck, I can’t even think of a guy who spent two consecutive years on IR and ever played again.
Agree with ATL
Alcohol was the major problem…Pot was only a minor problem. Alcohol affects the body MUCH worse than marijuana (proven in many recent studies). In fact, marijuana should have helped if anything with his injuries. It, combined with the pain killers he was most likely on, should have helped alleviate the pain (the most effective way to alleviate pain according to a recent study). I just think he didn’t have enough muscle around those collarbones and being out those two years ruined his speed. And I just don’t think he cared enough to put in the effort to regain the speed. And don’t gimme the Stafford argument. Two completely different positions. If Rogers played today, hell he’d probably never been hurt because it wouldn’t have been a full-contact practice most likely, and the game rules are set up to protect WR better now. Woulda prolly been like Victor Cruz or something.
So what you're saying is...
Victor Cruz owes his remarkable season to weed?
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by Mavyrk on Jan 20, 2012 9:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
wow
I must say, as a studying health care professional it is amazing the effort people will go to to convince THEMSELF that no person ever had a problem with weed. CR’s “simple fracture”, didn’t even require surgical intervention for healing. Oh, but the PAIN must have so insurmountable as to require RX drugs, weed, and alcohol.
And of course, a receiver would have a much more difficult time than a quarterback who injured his THROWING SHOULDER. Fact is, I’ve cared for 90 year old ladies who were tougher, both mentally and physically than CR. He used chemicals as a crutch and it ruined him.
by Lionsickness on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I tend to agree ATL
I think Rogers was better than Buress, and if he had not been injured he could have been better as a pro as well.
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Personally....
I think Pot weakened his Collarbones.
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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pot has given me collarbones of steel
by Kalzilla on Jan 20, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have now idea if we should draft Dre Kirkpatrick, but I like the idea we now have a chance.
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by RealityIsOptionable on Jan 17, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions
I'm still on the Konz bandwagon myself.
…but, if he did actually fall that far, and his character issues don’t seem severe enough to be a major distraction, I guess I’d be fine with taking him. He’d definitely have more of an immediate impact than Konz; not only because he fills a more glaring need, but management basically gave Dom the be-all, end-all vote of confidence heading into 2012, and it’d seem incredibly unlikely that a rookie would supplant him of his job at this point.
If they do take him, though, they just better make sure this was an isolated incident. Mayhew has done a tremendous job of avoiding people with serious character flaws thus far (much unlike his predecessor), and I’d hate to see that drafting philosophy now take a backseat simply because someone fills a need. Granted, it was a very minor infraction, so I’m more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now (and who knows, this could be what we need for him to fall far enough)… but I can’t say I’m not just a bit leery after this. We’ll see, I guess.
I've been wanting Konz.
But…that is based on the assumption that Jenkins is the best corner on the board at 23. If Dre falls to 23 then he is a steal.
People will make comparisons to Chuck Rogers, but Rogers was a bust mainly because of injuries. His marijuana problem was just the nail in the coffin.
Depends on his weight.
He’s a little undersized at the moment going off the police report. If he’s not back up to at least 190 by the combine that lack of preparation/work ethic combined with the possession is a huge red flag to me. If his weight is good and he aces his interviews, I doubt highly he falls past the teens. If he does, snatch him up. If his weight’s not up to snuff, let him pass and grab someone like Konz.
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Undersized is the whole reason he is smoking.
Get the munchies, eat a bag of Doritos.
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by RealityIsOptionable on Jan 17, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
who cares
draft him and give him a medical card. problem solved!
Lol why hasn't anyone challenged the NFL on that?
I know they’d get crushed but I wanna see someone in the NFL that lives in a Medical State challenge the NFL so they get to smoke weed.
Dosen't matter
Its what Mayhew thinks and so far I have yet to see him gamble on a player with leagal problems of any sort. So I gotta so no until Mayhew shows willing to do otherwise.
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it should also further show how little the whole notion of "top 10 pick now" really means
So much shit happens between now and the end of April there’s no sense getting locked into the mindset of most players are a lock at any position (even Luck!). That said, I’ve had my eye, and hopes, on Dre for some time. I think he’s the perfect type of physical yet sticky type guy this FO covets. I’ll be curious to find out how teams view his mindset as well as preparedness. I’d love for us to be able to end up with him AND a top flight OL
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Matbe you do not consider weeed to be an issue...
but the NFL does. It is not your sense of ethics that will end Kirkpatrick’s career.
Do you have any remembrance of Charles Rogers? What actually caused Rogers to smoke pot every day is not the issue. The issue is that he did. Since the NFL tests for marijuana use and you are suspended under the NFL rules, then the causal relationship simply does not matter.
Dre Kirkpatrick knows that the NFL tests for drug use. He made a value decision that he was willing to risk his standing in the draft in order to party. That in itself means that he has a very serious lack of judgment when drug use is involved. If he is not willing to stop partying for millions of dollars, then I do not see much of anything that will make him stop.
Sure, it is possible that this is an isolated incident and that he will never do it again. The problem is that Dre Kirkpatrick has just become a high risk pick. I do not see Martin Mayhew spending his resources on a pick like that and I agree.
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At least you're consistent with your views
I know a lot of people didn’t like Jimmy Smith last year because of his problems with the law, but are now jumping on Dre’s bandwagon because he might fall to us. Be consistent.
BTW, Jimmy Smith had a pretty good rookie year all things considered.
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If we were picking 23rd last year
I would have been a lot more open to grabbing Jimmy Smith too.
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by Mavyrk on Jan 18, 2012 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Many people weren't.
That baffled me.
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All I know is...
That is probably going to turn out to be the most expensive reefer that Dre ever smokes in his life.
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It better had been good.
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Just what if
it is the opposite of what you are saying. What if he got with some friends and said “Hey look guys, I won’t be able to party down for about the next ten years so lets have one last big blow out” and it just went wrong? I’m not defending the guy, heck, I don’t even smoke pot and I agree his timing seems completely idiotic. But this line of thinking is the American way. What do 90% of all engaged men do in this country? They have the type of stupid party that could ruin everything right before the most important day of their lives. Does that suggest they are gonna do blow off a strippers ass every Saturday night after being married? I just think it is a knee jerk reaction to jump from possession to C. Rodgers. There are probably 100 other KIDS that will get drafted this year that are gonna have a last party and not get caught. I’ll let Mayhew sort out the details cause we don’t know squat.
by Lionsickness on Jan 18, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
beautiful fine sir
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The problem is that you can't really know what is going through his head.
You can talk to him, and you can do personality profiles. He can lie and game the tests if he is coached. No matter what, if you are going to draft this kid you are taking a risk on the face of the evidence.
What we know is this:
He knows that the NFL has drug testing and a drug abuse policy that could cause him to be banned for life.
He knows he is about to be drafted and every spot that he drops in the draft will cost him money.
He was busted for possession of marijuana.
Now put that together on its face and the reasons behind why he had the pot are entirely irrelevant. ANY decision that caused him to get busted under those circumstances was just flat brain-dead stupid. You can do the math on this very simply. That pot probably cost Dre Kirkpatrick millions of dollars, likely making it the most expensive night out in his lifetime.
Now answer me these question…
If he is not bright enough to understand that, do you think he is bright enough to play for the Lions? Stupid people usually fail in the NFL. Football is a thinking man’s game.
If he actually is bright enough to understand that, then what does that say abut his decision making? After all, that means he know the risks, but it was more important to party.
Finally, it is possible to have a good time with your friends without getting high. If Dre equates having a good time with drug use then he already has a drug problem.
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so
every guy that gets hammered at his bachelor party has an alcohol or drug problem or both? Smart people make bad decisions all the time, it’s what makes us human instead of robots. Any time you invest in humans there is risk. Like I said, I’ll let Mayhew weigh that risk.
by Lionsickness on Jan 21, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to agree, but will
It does indicate poor judgement on his part. The question, and not for us to answer, is this going to be a pattern of judgement or not equating responsibility for his actions? Or is this an isolated incident attributable to youth.
I trust Mayhew, et al, to make the right decision on this guys character. The fact they spent as much time with Smith as they did leads me to believe they’re willing to look past the action to try and see more of the guys character. Well that or it was a smoke screen to confuse where they’re interested. I hope they see Dre as worthy and other teams let him drop and we get a bargain.
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Agree Tuff.
This isn’t about smoking weed (or possession). It’s about a guy willing to endanger his NFL future (at the very least a few million dollars) because he wants to do something stupid.
I’m not against weed smoking, I think the law is an archaic leftover from a time legislation went a little overboard to protect “almighty cotton” (that, of course, is for another discussion) but this incident shows a lack of commitment on Dre’s part, as far as I can see. Not to mention a bit of idiocy. (How are you getting caught when you know you’re about to be drafted?) This isn’t about “stickin’ it to the man” cause you don’t agree with the rules. Rules are rules. No matter how stupid they are. I’m not gonna shun a dude because of one mistake. But this definitely raises some eyebrows. I’d be surprised if this incident doesn’t cost him a few millions in his rookie contract.
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PS
Is he stoned in the picture, or what?
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dude
definitely looks blown out of his gourd in that pic.
by Lionsickness on Jan 18, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Dre should of bought some Quikfix
by hasselhoff on Jan 18, 2012 8:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Trust in Mayhew
I’m trying to remember if he has ever drafted someone with many off the field problems. I can’t recall any.
First of all...
Legalize it already…lol
Second…of course we take either him or Jenkins if they are the BPA at 23…no doubt about it.
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Even if it was legalized....
It would still be on the Banned substance list.
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Yeah, but he wouldn't have been arrested for it.
And Technically… he is not in the NFL yet. He still has plenty of time to “clean-up” for a drug test before the combine.
I’d have no problem with players partaking in a lil of the Sticky Icky in the off season. Maybe it would mellow them out a little bit before they get all crazy in the club.
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True
However, it would then be only the Feds who would arrest anyone for it…and as long as it was small time like this example, it wouldn’t be a big deal. It does not make the guy a villain, a rapist, a murderer, or any other nefarious sort of character. He is a talented football player.
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