The Case For Trading Suh

I know he wanted to be faster, but I’d rather have him a quarter-step slower and able to blow through those double-teams like in 2010.

How about a big fat ZERO….and I love it

the one thing I differ with is the notion

This team is being built to win now, not continually develop players in hopes of winning.

The team is undoubtedly being built to win “more” now, but it’s without a doubt still in a “develop players in the hopes of winning” (in the long term). The kicker is tho, I think Suh (and Fairley) are a HUGE part of players to be developed for this winning.

I get the OP point about cap concerns, but am not as worried about it as he. With the cap increases kicking in they can handle this without having to leverage the future too hard spreading it out.

Rec. I believe Mayhew will keep with his strategy to try to keep the cornerstones, keep looking to sign talent via not just the draft but also trades and FA. I think it was Sean who recently had a good analysis of how we got from 0-16 to present, using all those available mechanisms. And yes, as Mayhew seems to be a pretty good judge of talent “You don’t need high draft picks to be successful in the draft process”.

except for the part about KVB. He is over paid for sure…but he just had the second best season of his career and is a leader on a young defense that needs a leader.

I have watched the Suh train roll on,and I must admit he is a talented player.The unfortunate follow up is that he is self centered. I would trade him for good draft picks,and continue to build a team that is more like KVB,team first,me second.

Money to the University of Nebraska. Selfish people don’t give things away. I think his first year “went to his head”. His second year was quite disappointing.

I expect Suhs 3rd year he will be more humble, mature, and ready to play. As long as he learns from his mistakes and is willing to change I believe he will be great for our team.

Some people have already forgot how pathetic this franchise was a few years ago. Suh is a total stud who adds toughness to the team.

The stomp is in the past, time to move on. Now if he is “roiding out” and still acting like a kid 3 years later, then I may agree its time to move on without him.

Another solid way that Suh has impacted Avril’s play goes beyond the double team. Suh has been good at pushing the pocket back enough to help flush the QB out of the comfort zone. When Cwill (without a doubt benefiting from Suh’s impatct) is also pushing it back that makes it even better for Avril (or the other DE).

Good points about the impact in the run game in changing lanes and impacting the LB.

Apparently Martin Mayhew is satisfied with the production of Suh for the money he is making. I am not. For a DT to be worth quarterback level money, as Suh gets, they have to be an All-Pro caliber player. DT is not one of the big money positions, so to justify that kind of money on the payroll Suh has to be an impact player. He was just not at that level this season.

With that said, it is also clear that one off season is not a career. Suh can bounce back next season and make all of us love him again. He needs to get his head in the right place and return to being a big impact on the game. For $12 million a season you ahve to be able to take over games or you just cost too much.

I just want him to play at a higher level than he has. He is a tremendous talent, but he still needs to improve his technique and football IQ if he is going to be the dominant player that we thought we had drafted.

You’re mad because the guy went HOME for the two weeks he wasn’t allowed in the facility?? This is some of the most ridiculous hate I’ve read regarding this guy. You said you would’ve been happier if he watched the games on TV in Detroit instead of Portland?? Anybody else think this is the most ridiculous thing they’ve ever read? I think there’s some moral principle of yours at work here but it makes no sense. What makes sense is that you just hate Suh. Which is fine. But at least say that. Don’t come here with some “he wasn’t in the right zip code when he watched the game on TV” crap.

And why is it so important Suh is a leader? Or even a team player?
Oh, yeah, that’s because those are YOUR expectations.
Personally, I want him to play football. And if he wants to use this team as “his vehicle to show off”, that sounds great! Cause if he’s “showing off” he’s making plays. We have KVB to lead the defense. Suh just needs to make plays. In fact Suh doesn’t even have to make plays, he just has to make the offense adjust to his presence.

I suppose if I was expecting Suh to be this perfect guy who dominates the NFL while running a very clean campaign for man of the year, I’d be upset with him too. What is the term that’s been thrown around here- “blowjobs and lollipops”? Suh is a person. People are imperfect. Get used to it. He’s a football player. Dudes around here act like they’re dating him or some shit. “Well I don’t think he REALLY loves me because he didn’t go around the stadium and shake everybody’s hand” Stop whining.

PS- Regarding LeBron: How can you say something like “it sure doesn’t look like it will [work for him] in Miami.” Maybe you didn’t see the playoffs, but the Heat made it to the NBA Championship last year. Also, I have no idea how that relates to Suh.

When being punished equates to a 2 week holiday in Portland, I feel something is wrong there.

Hmmm. This whole time I thought he was suspended without pay. That’s weird. Did they pay for his flight back to Portland too? I guess you know a little more about it than me. Unless of course, you’re letting your Suh hate exaggerate your facts to the point where what you say is totally inaccurate…

if in nothing else the coaching staff

Does anyone have any actual data that he lost weight and is under 300 pounds?

Everything I read has him listed at 307 pounds. Can anyone link to a story or quote where Suh talks about losing weight and what his actual weight was during the 2011 season?

I am concerned with how much value he brings to the Lions for the paycheck he gets. Suh earned his money in his rookie season. He did not earn his pay this past season. If he doesn’t return to form in the upcoming season then he really needs to give some of that money back or the Lions need to cut the anchor loose before it drags their progress to a stop.

One of the things the Lions have done in the past is tolerate mediocre performance by the guys that make big money. That was a big part of the Lions becoming a destination for low effort players that just wanted one more good contract before they retired. Pat Swilling was a pretty good example of that. If the Lions want to continue to improve and win they must insist on guys performing like stars if they are paid like stars.

And not you.

I feel it is too early to trade him. You have to understand that Suh is very young. He is still learning how to be a professional athlete. There is still a good chance that he can return to near the production he had in his rookie season.

While his contract sounds large right now, it will not be so bad in a couple of seasons when the salary cap will rise by over $50 million from the new television contract. Suh is too young to just write off with one bad season. You would probably need to see two more seasons below par before you either forced him to renegotiate or traded him. The bottom line in the decision with Suh is what kind of production you feel that you can expect.

Right now, the right move to make with Suh is to wait and see how next season plays out. If both Suh and Fairley play very well, the Lions are in the best possible position. It would allow the Lions to trade Suh at maximum value and get back multiple high round picks including at least one first rounder. The Lions could replace Suh with a much cheaper Nick Fairley to lower the cap while getting similar production from the position.

Lets see…. you just finished an OUTSTANDING rookie season, you have milliions in the bank, the NFL…. uh oh… goes into lockout mode.

No team guidence, no coach’s contacts, no offseason program……. Only the trainers hired by your agent and an offseason scheduled by your PR Director. X’s and O’s…. very little.

Now, on the flip side…. Coaches from other teams have a shit ton of tape on your abilities, your strengths, and “GULP” your weaknesses…. and have ALLLLLLL Offseason to scheme against you.

Of course Suh is going to have a sophmore slump (if you can call it that as he is produced as a top tier DLman.) He had no (proper) coaching or practice to improve his weaknesses. He had NO idea what the opponents were going to do to him. (see the ATL trap/Slam runs) .

So your big idea is to trade him?

Put down the coke bottle glasses, and wake the fuck up.

or maybe we can draft another guy that looked awesome coming out of college and may even be all pro his rookie year .. just like.. wait for it… SUH.

then when we get those guys we can work on trading them too.

Point 1 is Sophomore slump, even when he still had numbers that were damn good for a DT. Point 2, in the scheme that Gunny is running our front 4’s main responsibility is to get after the QB that is what the “wide 9” is set up for, all this chat about our D-line not being good at stopping the run is just foolish, because that responsibility falls on the LB corp, who needs more speed to be compliments to the front 4. Add to it we played with 4 different Safeties do to injuries and our run D should have suffered. Let’s not even talk about how many different CB’s we went threw this year like how Berry and Phonz got burned when ever they were out there, and teams could run wild when Durrant and Levy came out or even when they were out there.If you want to blame people for the poor run D put the blame where it truly lays, the back 7. And even in saying that remember we are only in year 3 since the worst tackling team in the history of the game that took our Lions to 0-16! We have the core to be great, we just need a LB with true speed that can tackle on the outside, a true shutdown CB, and Delmas to get his head out of his ass and wrap up on the tackle instead of launching himself at the ball carrier.

that #90 has been playing underweight and that this more than anything else accounts for his drop off this season.

There must be a way to confirm this. Also, why would this not have been pointed out by one of the many Lions beat writers?

I googled Suh and 2011 and weight and only kept getting 307 pounds. No story that I saw mentioned that he was playing lighter than that.

Sean, do you have any better sources than your eyeballs?

but if you’re going to call someone an idiot, you better make sure you don’t look like one yourself… first.

One more thing, if anyone is going to do any smacking around here… it’s me! Smack

#JustSayin’

I don’t seem to hear other teams fans always saying … “trade him now for picks or this rookie (who might be good… although AJ Green did look good last year)”