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2012 NFL Mock Draft: Mel Kiper's First Edition Has Lions Taking Zach Brown

I'm of the opinion that it is still far too early for NFL mock drafts, but unfortunately with the Detroit Lions out of the playoffs, it is that time of the year. The majority of mock drafts so far have had Nebraska cornerback Alfonzo Dennard being selected by the Lions with the 23rd pick, but that's not the case in Mel Kiper's first mock draft. He has the Lions going linebacker and taking North Carolina's Zach Brown. Here's his reasoning:

Detroit again will go into the 2012 season with perhaps the best front four in the NFL. Martin Mayhew and Jim Schwartz calculated well that the secondary would make strides after being such a weakness in previous seasons. Where the Lions could use help is at linebacker, and Brown would be a good fit. Brown has great instincts as a rangy tackler, and he has a lot of speed and can run with tight ends. I certainly can see the Lions looking for help on the offensive line at this spot, but if a top tackle doesn't fall to them here, Brown makes sense.

If the Lions are able to re-sign Stephen Tulloch, I don't think they will have a need at linebacker since DeAndre Levy is a restricted free agent and should be back. Of course, the lack of a need hasn't dissuaded the Lions from selecting players in the past, but I have my doubts that Brown will be the best player available on their board.

Here is where Kiper has some notable names to Lions fans being selected: No. 6 CB Morris Claiborne (Redskins), No. 8 CB Dre Kirkpatrick (Panthers), No. 14 OG David DeCastro (Cowboys), No. 17 CB Alfonzo Dennard (Bengals). Interestingly enough, Kiper doesn't have Wisconsin C Peter Konz being taken in the first round.

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I wouldn't be at all surprised nor bothered by....

the Lions taking Brown. With guys like Jimmy Graham, Jermichael Finley and Rob Gronkowski to contend with in this league, we need to be able to cover those guys with linebackers at times. I like our trio of starters – plus Carpenter – but I think that their weakness is in coverage. Brown would be a great eventual starter that could immediately make his presence felt on passing downs and nickel/dime defenses.

by DrewsLions on Jan 19, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

I'd still much rather have Konz if he's there

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by ZWC11 on Jan 19, 2012 9:37 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

+2

The Lions need someone in the middle to move the pile.

by job561 on Jan 20, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

230 is a little light by Schwartz’s standard, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t add some muscle I guess. I don’t have much faith in Kiper though. Konz definitely goes in the first.

by Lionsickness on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

I'm cool with Brown

But if Konz is there, I’d rather have him

by JWurm on Jan 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

i think that all that we can bet on

is that the bpa will be taken regardless of position, as exemplified by drafting nick fairley last year, but i personally would like a DE (maybe nick perry, a detroit boy) to be the eventual replacement for KVB or a OL that can run block like konz

by KBerg on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Wait

Don’t we already have Lo-Jack? Why isn’t he KVB’s replacement? Jackson isn’t exactly old…

by Big Z in Orlando on Jan 19, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson is not exactly....

KVB…lol.

Jackson is good… but to say there’s no need to draft that position because of LoJack is laughable.

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by CLF on Jan 19, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I've had it in the back of my mind

for a while that the front office may get a stiffy for Whitney Mercilus take him in the first. I just don’t think we need DE that bad and the way they allowed holding in the trenches this year seems to contraindicate it. It does make sense however to groom all the D-linemen you can under KVB. Still hoping for Konz though.

by Lionsickness on Jan 19, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson doesn't get nearly the number of snaps that KVB does.

And he is arguably better at run D.

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by drgarnett on Jan 19, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

KVB

Cap Casualty…. his production does not warrant the pay check or the snaps he gets.

by JaySoul on Jan 19, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you not watch him this year?

Besides over running and landing 10 yards up field EVERY PLAY he did nothing! Love his motor, and I love the heart BUT this isn’t the KVB of old. And with that cap number, I can’t see how you can justify paying it outside of loyalty.

by JaySoul on Jan 19, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

over running plays not completely his fault.

In most schemes the DE’s are responsible for outside contain. So, him over running a play looks really bad…however…in Detroit’s scheme the outside contain is the LB’s responsibility. The DE’s are told to crash onto the QB and collapse everything inside. The over running of plays was happening to both DE’s because of the flaw in the scheme. Not only do LB’s have outside contain to deal with…they are also supposed to fill the gaps between the DE’s and the DT’s. It really makes no sense to me. I like the attacking philosophy…but there needs to be more thought put in to correct fatal flaws like that.

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by BBlades on Jan 19, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

How is he "Over" paid?

Do you ‘think’ this… or know this?

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 6:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take that as a NO.

Listen… Leave your emotional opinions at the door. If you can’t back something up with anything but what you think you saw, then don’t say it.

This isn’t bleacher report, nor is it Mlive, the POD…. where fans discuss football, not feelings.

Fact is, KVB had one of his best years production wise.

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

And the fact is, that wasn't good enough to justify his $8 million.

It’s not an “emotional opinion” to point out that he (and Levy, too) allowed a lot of plays to bounce outside because he was a little too aggressive and didn’t read the run plays well enough. He’s also gotten a bunch of penalties, including at least 3 personal fouls.

Love his leadership, but he’s a veteran, and has to be able to see what’s happening during the play and adjust, not just fly in to make a big hit on a QB like some rookie.

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by drgarnett on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I am not generally a stat guy

but I don’t understand how Avril is expected to command $10-12 million for an 11 sack 36 tckl 6 forced fumble year and KVB is overpaid for $8 mill with a 8 sack 35 tckl 4 forced fumble year. The numbers are identical in relation to the money and we lost contain of both edges on a regular basis, not just the right side.

Factor in that KVB has more influence in the locker room than Avril and I think the numbers are pretty close. We need to tweak how we run the wide 9 (not scrap it) and everyone wants to hang our best players out? I just don’t get it.

Our D-line had more sacks that 14 entire defenses this year. We were 3rd in 3rd down stops in the regular season. People need to chill out. Schwartz and Gun will get the run D fixed.

by Lionsickness on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Alright... here we go....

KVB will get paid 5 million next season. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2098/kyle-vanden-bosch
In 2011, he was paid… $810,000 (+ $3.69 million “signing” bonus), Not sure where you got 8 million from…. but hey, you’re not emotional or anything…LMAO!!!

…Besides just ripping you up there… lets take a look at comparative DE’s in the league….

Julius peppers… 11 sacks, 37 tackles. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2361/julius-peppers

Chris Long… 13 sacks, 37 tackles… http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4707/chris-long

Elvis Dumervil… 9.5 sacks, 42 tackles… http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3941/elvis-dumervil (set to rake in 14 million in 2012).

FACT IS: KVB is a consistant, veteran leader that is vitally important to the success of the defense. … and you don’t think he’s worth it? He improved his numbers from last year…. and you don’t think he’s worth it?

What ever dude, clearly you don’t let facts get into the way of your emotionally made opinions based on what you think you see.

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

KVB made 8.19 Mil this season.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and yes, I think 8+ million is over paying for his services

but at 5 million for each of the next two years. that is fair.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And really man

You need to make sure your points are correct before you start talking junk and posting moronic pics on your posts.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

BTW, here is a link to his salary numbers

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

On a side note

This is a Lions cap friendly contract. The 10 million was in the cap free year and then the numbers went down incrementally from there with each season.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Roto world says otherwise.
3/5/2010: Signed a four-year, $26 million contract. The deal includes $10 million in first-year guarantees. 2011: $810,000 (+ $3.69 million “signing” bonus), 2012-2013: $5 million, 2014: Free Agent

Even more reason for posters to “SHOW” their work.

My opinion does not differ.

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how that affects his next 2 seasons cap hits?

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

LAME....

Outdated source. I knew that couldn’t be right….

Do I need to post another “dumb picture”? Or you gonna man up?

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The Detroit Free Press reported that Stafford and Vanden Bosch both restructured their contracts so the Lions could re-sign Chris Houston and add Stephen Tulloch, Justin Durant and Eric Wright.

Stafford’s base salary for 2011 dropped from $9 million to $525,000 after the restructuring, with $8 million or so of that difference reallocated in a signing bonus stretched over the life of the QB’s deal. Likewise, Vanden Bosch’s salary went from $4.5 million this season to $810,000 with a reworked signing bonus.

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

post all the douche bag pictures you want

That is your decision.

If just makes you look like a donkey’s bottom.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

lol...

it looks like your link added the restructured signing bonus to the original base salary….

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

still counts on the cap

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

HUH?

His salary dropped from 4.5 million to 810k. If it still counts against the cap… why would it have been done?

Serious question.

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it pushes the cap number over the course of the

3 remaining years of the contract when it was renegotiated.

Because Signing bonuses are paid now but are cap hits for the contract length.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I know the original concept of the contract

was to be front loaded (first two years) and heavily relieved the last two.

This move just “evened” the cap numbers over the last 3 seasons. I think.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Josh, do you have another source on KVB's cap hit...

Cause everything I’ve been reading says that he did not get paid anywhere near 8 million.

The Free Press reported Stafford and defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch, who also restructured his contract, helped the Lions clear about $8.5 million in cap space. The team used that money to sign linebackers Stephen Tulloch and Justin Durant and cornerbacks Eric Wright and Chris Houston.

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's an excel...

showing KVB’s cap # at 3 million for 2011.

http://www.thenetrat.com/LionsCap2011.xls

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If this is correct that all we did was push his

cap hit higher in the next two seasons.

Basically selling out the future cap for this last seasons cap. Not a really good deal.

I hope that is not correct.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, no

but that is not really surprising.

No one really knows what his numbers are outside of the NFL and Lions right about now.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

actually...

those numbers are wrong… they didnt take into account his restructured deal. KVB was making 4.5 mil before the new deal, then they gave him a minimum contract (810k) for this year and gave him the remainder as a signing bonus (3.69mil) so that they could spread it out over the remaining years, as sean wrote about a few months ago
http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/8/17/2368968/nfl-salary-cap-detroit-lions-matthew-stafford-kyle-vanden-bosch

by KBerg on Jan 20, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

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by CLF on Jan 21, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Mayhew says

He is gonna get aggressive with trades this year. Great interview with him here

http://www.790thezone.com/instantreplay/

covers trades, Best, Suh and how we got here. Just listening to him talk gets me excited. Sorry I don’t know how to hyper link it.

by Lionsickness on Jan 19, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good interview

It has me really curious now as to what his plans are when refering to being agressive with trades this off-season. Does that mean with players currently on the roster, or perhaps during the draft? Or a combination of the two? It should definitely be an exciting time and will be anticipating to see who we ‘Mayhew’ next!

by Doc_H on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

if there is one thing Mayhew has proven

it is that he is not scared to make decisions. I think he knows that just drafting and re-signing is not enough to get us to the superbowl next year. It will be interesting to see what he does in attempt to put us over the top.

by Lionsickness on Jan 19, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

not a horrible pick but kind of a wasted one

Unless we let Tulloch walk to keep Avril. Otherwise I don’t see that pick happening. This is Mel " the human dumbass" Kiper were talking about. I don’t really respect what he’s done over the years. Mike Williams anyone? Why do we need so much help at linebacker? Tulloch, Durant,Levy with Carpenter seemed to be a good unit. Oh well its way to early for this crap. That’s why I respect what Mayock does. He won’t do but 1 mock draft a year after all the info has been gathered and teams have had time to address needs. Haircut Kiper does one every damn week it seems like constantly pulling another headline draft out if his ass. I digress about kiper. I just don’t see the need for a linebacker like he claims. As long as Tully returns there really isn’t unless for some reason they decide there not happy with Levy. Durant was a beast this year.

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by The Profiler on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

in Kiper's defense

he is 100% ass so it’s pretty effortless to pull these mocks out. It really is just his version of tacking a big dump. To prove this, when was the last time you heard him speak you didn’t think he just stuffed a big turd in your ear?

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 19, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with you Sean
I’m of the opinion that it is still far too early for NFL mock drafts

Picking this far down in the draft there are too many things to happen first, the foremost is free agency. The Lions will not be the only big players in free agency due to the craziness last off season. I read somewhere that nearly 25% of players will be free agents this year. Not certain if that is accurate or not but looking at the lists of potential free agents they look pretty long.

With the Lions recent past of being active in free agency, I predict the beginning of March is going to be an interesting time this year and will go a long way towards what happens at the end of April.

by Hungry Lion on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Yep

Many had Fairley at the top of the Big board at this time last year.

by Arrogant on Jan 19, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Mel's problem is he is trying to pick for Detroit based on what he perceives as "filling a hole".

He should know by now that Mayhew [and the Lions] don’t pick that way. They pick a player that adds the most long term value to the team.

And I agree with anyone that says it is too early. But then, we need to argue about something, right?

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Gee Whiz, guys...

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by CLF on Jan 19, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

Much as I absolutely abhor Kiper

I don’t see this as that far off base.

We may tender Levy, but I doubt it will be for anything more than a 2nd at MOST. I think that he could end up being our odd man our in the linebacking corps, and we could bring in a blue chipper at LB as a replacement (especially with Carpenter in the wings)

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by Nate D. on Jan 19, 2012 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

I just treat mock drafts as kind of background noise.

Once you get past the first few picks, there’s no predicting what any team will do.
Hell, I don’t think any of the Lions picks this year were predicted by any mock draft.

The only thing I find useful are the scouting reports on the players who are in the mix.

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by drgarnett on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

I haven't ever seen a single Mayhew pick mocked correctly except for Stafford and Suh

And those 2 were no-brainers. Nobody even had us taking Pettigrew a few years ago. These mocks are just pointless

by Kalzilla on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I mocked Gronk in the 7th round in 2009

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by JCruize on Jan 19, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

supercool

I don’t mind mocks either

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by StaffordSuperBowlMVP on Jan 19, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I mock a lot of things

just not drafts.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 19, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That's actually really impressive

I’m gonna keep an eye out for your mocks this year. You’re more credible in my eyes than Kiper

by Kalzilla on Jan 19, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

I will throw a name out there right now nobody is talking about. Mark Barron S Alabama.

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by JCruize on Jan 21, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont know much about this....

But I do know that our tackling was atrocious! Instead of wrapping up, our LB/DBs did the whole, hit with the shoulder thing to bring down the running back. I’m speaking specifically about the Saints game because it was just bad, don’t know about any other games. Anyway, if this kid can tackle well then I’m all for the pick. Letting Sproles, Thomas and Ivey get those extra yards after the initial hit killed us.

by mhout005 on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

absolutely

very aggravating to watch missed tackles

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by StaffordSuperBowlMVP on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we should just take the 49er approach.

Aim for the helmet and knock ’em out of the game.

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by drgarnett on Jan 19, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

So sick of hearing about our front 4 being the best

They sure didn’t play like they were the best in the NFL

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by detroit_fan on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

While I agree this year

Our defensive line is going to continue to improve, while there’s, outside of JPP, is steadily on the decline.

by JWurm on Jan 19, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah we are good

but definitely not the best (yet)

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by detroit_fan on Jan 19, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Zach Brown

Is Durant gonna be back? I dont know his contract. Zach Brown could very well be the next Spielman and who wouldn’t enjoy that! Personally though I could really care about mocks cause all in all it comes down to whose there when the Lions pick on draft day. GO LIONS!!!!!

by mochaj on Jan 19, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Brown is too small...

I think the Lions would be much better suited by taking a CB in round 1…but it is still WAY too early for this crap.

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by KDawg on Jan 19, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

The Phinsider has the Lions taking Vontaze Burfict, with what's probably a snarky comment.

But I don’t think the Lions need another guy who’s going to rack up personal fouls by the mittful. Doesn’t sound like he’s a good tackler either.

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by drgarnett on Jan 19, 2012 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

People are comparing him to Ray Lewis.

I don’t know but Ray is a pretty sound tackler, among other things he does good. Now I don’t know much about him other than he seems to have some character issues and that he is being compared to the GOAT MLB. Maybe a 2nd rounder on him, IDK.

by mhout005 on Jan 19, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The only reason he's being compared to Ray Lewis

Is because he’s passionate to an extreme. If he never channels that energy…

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by Mavyrk on Jan 19, 2012 4:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think it is funny

how people always say it’s too early for mock drafts, including GM’s and coaches because “there is so much time left.”

Then after the draft is over, the people that seem to know what they are doing (like Schwartz, Mayhew) always explain the inevitable draft stock fluctuations as over hyped because they usually end up right back where they were at the end of the college bowl season.

Schwartz has even said that if they get an unexpected combine number that they go back to game tape for the final evaluation. So I say MOCK AWAY people. You can’t be worse than Kiper. haha

by Lionsickness on Jan 19, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Understandable pick

TE’s will become the weapons of separation for good offenses, and some have two. LB’s who can cover and tackle will begin to cost a premium.

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by NobodySpecial on Jan 19, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

More than there were a couple of years ago.

Gates, T Gonzalez, V Davis, Gronkandez, J Finley, J Graham, J Witten. Dallas Clark until this year.

Teams are going out and looking for these guys now. It pays to be prepared.

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by drgarnett on Jan 19, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call Pettigrew a game changing pass catching TE.

He’s an all-around amazing TE with blocking+catching, but in terms of the new “wide receiver tight end” mold, I’d say Scheff qualifies but not Grew.

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by Mavyrk on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Grew has that ability

Maybe just needs to work on hanging onto the ball a little better.

by mhout005 on Jan 20, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Our TE's

I don’t think the Lion’s are utilizing them as primary targets the way some of those other teams do. We use them in a more traditional fashion, typically 3rd or 4th.

But, with the recievers we have, it is hard to blame the playcalling. I do think we should adjust a bit more. When we do throw to them more often, good things happen.

by Incantrix on Jan 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Defense

I’d like the Lions to compared to the Ravens and Steelers defenses. We haven’t had a top MLB since Chris Spielman. I like MLB Hightower from Alabama, 6’3 260, he would make our Def. tougher. Backus is a big ?, (injuries and age) So I’m not opposed to Jonathon Martin OLT if he falls to #23, or take a OLT in the 2nd rd. Then go CB. Should be a fun draft for the Lions. It would be nice to see our LB’s next season – Hightower, Durant, Tulloch, Carpenter, if we lose Levy, I’d like the draft pick.

by Suhfan on Jan 19, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Still super early, but….I’m not really enamored with this CB class to warrant a first round pick at 23. We still need a playmaker at linebacker just as badly. The free agent overachiever thing worked out alright, but it’s time for a serious upgrade at LB. Hopefully Mayhew takes a good, long look at Vontaze Burfict. Not sure there’s a guy who’s higher on my wish list right now. Not many better athletes at the position out there either. Extremely high ceiling.

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by Dave Ryan on Jan 19, 2012 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

I like Vintaze Burfict also, he looks good.

by Suhfan on Jan 20, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He may be a good athlete, but he's a little too out-of-control mean.

We don’t need another player who’ll be flagged for personal fouls all season long.

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by drgarnett on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The most feared defence ever?

Suh/Fairley, the Tazer, Delmas? That’s three levels of pain coming at you!

by mcivor on Jan 20, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see this pick

If they think Levy isn’t going to happen or that Durant will never be durable then, yes. The wide nine is really dependent on LB and DB play. Still would rather have Konz.

by rekar on Jan 19, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

I don't want the Lions to pick in the 1st round this year

I wouldn’t mind if Brown, Konz, or Jenkins were selected but I don’t really see anyone of those three making a big impact on the team. My hopes is that Mayhew could pull off a trade maybe for a 1st rounder next year and an extra pick on the 2nd and 3rd day of the draft this year. Jeff and Dom are good for two more years and with 2 1st rounders next year we could move up and take a blue-chip o-lineman next year.

What we really need is a FA starting calibur Safety to take our D up a notch,providing we can retain Wright and Tullouch also, the problems our defense faced this year is the Safety position was desimated with injuries and our back-ups just didn’t gel well with the LB’s and CB’s.. Hopefully our scouting dept can find some diamonds in the rough at the G,T,CB,DE positions in this years draft.

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by Wayne Fontes on Jan 19, 2012 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Decimated...

two words.. Dashon Goldson!! The safety from the 9ers to pair with Delmas? Don’t know if it’s possible but I would make that happen. If not him, then Tyvon Branch from the Raiders. I have no faith in Amari at this point. He is an ex corner who cant … well COVER, plus he seems hesitant in run support. Seems like everytime that wham play was ran after the Niners exposed us with it… you could find Spievey lost at the LOS.

by JaySoul on Jan 19, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

spievey was one of our best tacklers

he is only 23 and a great wrap up tackler. give him another year. i am positive a rookie or someone unfamiliar with our scheme isn’t going to do much better. our defense was top 10 before all the injuries started piling up.

by jmilktoast on Jan 20, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't understand why everyone wants a S

Delmas a Spievey have been a good to great combo, we shouldn’t be wasting picks on positions where we have people playing well (and young to boot).

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by Nate D. on Jan 20, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I want a S because that position is a moble mash unit

Someone is always hampered or even worse, out of the game because of injuries. Either we need more skilled depth or we need more durable skilled starters.

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by joshsun on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

You might get your wish

the best S in the draft(at the moment) is Mark Barron from Alabama. He is project to go in the mid-20’s. Knowing the way Mayhew drafts. Barron could be the best player at his position that also is a need for the Lions at the 23rd pick.

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by JCruize on Jan 21, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be thrilled with that

Delmas has been underwhelming since his rookie season and Spivey leaves me wondering how he managed to play CB in College.

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by joshsun on Jan 21, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I strongly agree with you on this

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by JCruize on Jan 21, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like Barron as a first rounder.

Just because he’s the best safety in the class does not make him a first rounder.

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by Mavyrk on Jan 22, 2012 4:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Heres a link to the top free agents

http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-free-agents/
There’s a couple dbs from the titans. Any chance Schwartz shows up on cortland finnegans door step in march? I wouldn’t be opposed

by dalrymple87 on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Possible

I would not mind that addition at all.. I would take Brandon Carr also. Will be interesting to see which is addressed in FA OL or CB

by JaySoul on Jan 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

brandon carr

would be nice but i doubt kc wants to let him leave. carr and flowers create too good of a cb tandem to break up.

by jmilktoast on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Mock drafts

are as about as reliable as me pleasing two hands, um I meant women on the same night / time

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by seabeeruss on Jan 19, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

lol

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by joshsun on Jan 19, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If they wanted to move up for Patrick Peterson last year

I could possibly see it. But last year’s draft was before free agency, right? So that was before we signed some cb’s. Claiborne is pretty solid though, I definitely wouldn’t mind it. They would have to get to like the top 5 or so, which means more money but who knows.

by asol8mc1 on Jan 19, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I say no.

Contrary to what seems to be the case, high draft picks are worth more now because they don’t cost a team as much wrt salary, because of the rookie cap. That means that teams have less incentive to trade away top-10 picks because it doesn’t saddle them with big cap hits. So a team that wants to trade up might actually have to give up more value than they would have before the rookie salary cap.

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by drgarnett on Jan 19, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Take a look at what the Falcons gave up last year:

Falcons got the 6th Pick

Browns Received: 2011 1st-2nd-4th and 2012 1st and 4th

Its an insane amount to give up.

by Arrogant on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

And that was

before the new CBA was hammered out.

by Arrogant on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

question

anyone follow how the cb from last draft class did in coverage?

by noto on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

Well alot of people wanted Prince

And he was terrible this year. I believe the Gaints have 3-4 CB’s on IR and he still comes off the bench.

by Arrogant on Jan 19, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrible because he didn't play...lol

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by KDawg on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

If you can’t get on the field as a 1st rounder when you team is devastated by injuries at your position. That is terrible.

by Arrogant on Jan 20, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You could say that

But it’s still just your “arrogant” opinion…:o)

Amukamara could come back and be all pro next season…nobody knows.

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by KDawg on Jan 26, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Peterson started out slow, but started looking decent by the end of the season.

And then there were his 4 punt returns for TDs. I’d say he was worth his pick.

Amukamara was injured most of the season, so he gets a grade of Incomplete for the season.

Didn’t see much of Jimmy Smith, but my impression was that he was adequate for the Ravens. Probably didn’t need to work too hard with that secondary they have already.

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by drgarnett on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Amukamara

Stats: 9 Games – 0 Starts – 14 Tackles – 3 PD – 1 INT

Smith: 13 games – 3 Starts – 21 Tackles – 8 PD – 2 INT

by Arrogant on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Just goes to show you...

How much a rookie can learn in training camp, preseason, and 4 more games.

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by CLF on Jan 20, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Amukamara almost bested Smith in 4 less games…not bad for an injured rook.

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by KDawg on Jan 26, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I say we go all in.

Kicker first round, whats up raiders.. you know what I’m talkin about!

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Draft Konz!!

by Dtrain81 on Jan 19, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

How bout

we trade our 1st for Lechler.

by Arrogant on Jan 19, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally.

That or a holder.
Enough of this backup QB doing the holding. This is the 21st century! The league is SPECIALIZING! We can be the first team to have a specialized holder. Leading the league in offensive innovation!
(Did somebody say championship?)

Just think what the alternative is…

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by UndaDawg on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, though

I’d love to see Mr. Irrelevant be drafted just to be the holder. That would be doubly hilarious.

by mcivor on Jan 20, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i would like an o-line or lb in the first

while there is no guarantee any of these guys will remain in their respective range, i’d like to see a lb like burfict.

yes he has attitude issues, but his attitude could fit our defense. plus when motivated, he is a terror. he is excellent at blitzing which would give the lions some new wrinkles to their defense. too many teams used max protection to stop our wide 9 4 man rush.

by jmilktoast on Jan 20, 2012 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

Key Part

WHEN motivated.. Vontez lives off pure natural talent right now. IF and WHEN he decides to focus that talent into conditioning and controlling his emotions, he will be a special player from day 1. He has been through A LOT in life.. So it will be interesting to see how he embraces the next level once he gets the pay day. He could flourish ala Terrell Suggs (But T Sizzle had a strong support group led by Ray to mentor him) in the same situation

by JaySoul on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather

take a shot on a guy who’s ceiling is high than a safe pick at lb’er like kuechly.

players can mature emotionally, but you can’t teach 6’3" 250. you could always move him outside with his ability to rush the passer and he could fill that gap created by a wide 9.

take into account if we lose someone like tulloch, you could either let him be the mlb or move levy back inside where he played better and burfict outside where he can blow those olineman up.

let kvb teach him what it is like to bust his ass like a pro on his way out.

by jmilktoast on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust

I love Vontez.. watched him since high school. The kid is special and this is with no type of direction.

by JaySoul on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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