Martin Mayhew Plans To 'Aggressively' Look At Trades This Offseason
by Sean Yuille on Jan 20, 2012 10:39 PM EST
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PrintOne of the biggest reasons the Detroit Lions were able to turn around their franchise so quickly is because Martin Mayhew made so many trades. In 2010 especially, Mayhew made some moves that immediately upgraded the talent at positions and filled needs in the process.
Now that the Lions don't have nearly as many needs as they did in 2010, trades haven't been as common. However, the Lions haven't shied away from trying to make moves by any means (for example, they tried to move up to draft Patrick Peterson last year and also tried to trade for Asante Samuel last summer), and Mayhew said during an interview this week (audio here) that they will continue to be aggressive in the trade market.
"We really believe in using every avenue to improve whether its trades, waiver claims, free agency, the draft and we’re not just focused on one avenue to go out and try to sign players. We use everything that’s available to us and the trades sort of just happened. We haven’t done any in a while but we plan to be aggressively looking to do some trades this year."
Mayhew has shown how effective trades can be by moving lower-round draft picks for players already in the league. Shaun Hill, Rob Sims, Corey Williams, Chris Houston and Lawrence Jackson were all acquired that way, and perhaps Mayhew will go that route again this offseason in trying to fill some needs that currently exist.
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Im thinking that we target
Another Olineman(Like Sims), and maybe another reciever(#4 type of guy) through trade this season.
Also look out for a bruser back and a #3 QB.
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Is that really aggressive though?
I wouldn’t be surprised to see them make a play to get a starting CB, a top tier DE or maybe even upgrade the #2 WR spot.
Not all of those in one off-season, but none of those individually would surprise me.
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DE we only target
Through Draft in my opinion, and I think that the Lions are fine with their top-3 recievers. Young is still young and sure Burleson had his facepalm moments but Im fine with both of them as my #2/#3. As for starting CB, I could see that happening although we have limited cap space and with our draft-picks and FA pickups/resignee’s we won’t have the cap space to afford a top corner like Samuel.
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CB seems the most likely only because Mayhew has targetted both Patrick Peterson
and Asante Samuel in high profile trade offers just in the last year alone.
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True....
After putting some more thought into it I totally agree. The thing is we just have to see who we resign before we can really talk about this. Because if Cliff or Tully dont return then all of a sudden we have huge needs at DE and MLB.
The same point can be made that if Wright returns or doesn’t return will affect what happens a lot.
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Oh I'm not sure if his name has been mentioned yet but
Mario Williams is a free agent free to sign anywhere. He had to make that switch to a 3-4 and I don’t think he really liked it. We could let cliff go and pick up an all world DE who plays the pass and run, both sides of the line, and he would be paired with Suh and big nick
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I sure like what you're thinking there!
I just don’t know how they’d work that pay, but that’s why they make the big bucks and not me
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Mario would be great but
The money just ain’t there. You need some one who is going to take a lot less snaps than Avril. This person as to share snaps with Young and Lojack. This suggests to me that it will be a draft pick.
I'd love to have Mario
But he is wanting Top dollar, which is something that we don’t have. I’d rather have Cliff for less money.
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Woof, too much bux, but what a fantastic idea
Damn, we’d be baad news for somebody
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 21, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
however he has been injured the last 2 seasons
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by lionsfan_772 on Jan 21, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Remember that Mario Williams is paid off the old pre-CBA scale.
He was a #1 pick, so he started off too expensive to begin with.
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I think the upgrade at #2
is already on the roster! Say hello to Titus “TD” Young. He just got better and better as the season went along. I look for him to be an excellent #2 next year. I’m totally happy with our receiving corp. I wouldn’t mind an upgrade at #4 though for sure (we need the depth anyway in case of injury).
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I wouldn't mind
drafting a big guy to be our #4, soon to be #3 guy while Stafford turns Titus into our version of Wes Welker.
Imagine trying to defend against Calvin, Grew and another 6’ 4" guy, just to have Titus make a catch in the slot, then pull off a big run because he’s only got LBs on him.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I too have no doubt TDY is our #2 going into the year in title and targets
Despite the reliability and chemistry I have to question Burleson’s job given the price. I think he has some restructuring to do.
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Definitley intriguing
Hell we got Phonz for next to nothing. I could see Mayhew moving up for a guy like DeCastro or a top 3 corner in the draft. I am kind of thinking Titus will be #2 this year with Nate as the 3. Possibly we add another reciver and drop Stovall. Not sure if Drew and Shaun will return so perhaps a QB will be targeted as well. I am pretty sure Cliff will get his deal before free agency or atleast I hope. KVB isn’t a young gun though so if we get a DE that should give us an idea of what they think of Young and Lojack right now.
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The Phonz move was good and he made some big plays
also has gotten burned a lot. Do you think he even makes the 53 next year if the Lions take a corner in the draft and re-sign Wright?
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I think he makes the 53
He struggled with injurys this year and has good potential and is a very good ball-hawk. At the worst he is good depth.
However, if he struggles next year he will probably be cut.
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do we even resign wright?
i honestly thought berry was the better cover corner this year. i mean you often seen eric wright get burned outside one on one, and then moved to the slot when berry would come onto the field(he got burned there too).
eric wright unfortunately was one of the most targeted cbs, and top 10 in letting up the most yds.
It depends on what he is asking
If he isn’t demanding too much I think we resign him to a 2/3 year deal. He has had his moments that really make you ask how good he is but all in all he had a good year, especially the first have.
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Ugh.
Yes, re-sign him. You can’t have enough depth at CB. Blah blah blah. This Eric Wright thing is getting old.
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by Bighaircut on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really disagree with your assessment
but I suppose I can only present the same eye ball evidence…
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We have to re-sign Wright
I, personally, think he was the best of our guys when he was healthy, but even if he was the #3 guy you re-sign him because our depth is awful.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Eric Wright was the second most targeted cornerback in the league this season.
I’m not surprised people have all this anecdotal evidence of him getting burned. It’s law of percentages.
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It would help if Wright if we had better help from the safeties.
Any corner is going to get burned a lot if he doesn’t get help. Look at Tramon Williams this year. Burned, burned, burned.
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I really hope they part ways with Wright
He had some good games but he’s the second-worst rated FA CB on pro football focus. He had four picks but honestly, he could of had a lot more and he flat out gave up on some plays.
by Admiral Ackbar on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
nickel or dime back Phonz could be
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by lionsfan_772 on Jan 21, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
not many looks at nickle Phonz gets
a shame given talent wasted it is
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I really want DeCastro
I’ve been so high on this guy for so long. I personally think he is one of the best guards to ever come out of college. If he slips past the first 15 I definatly want us to pick him up.
He is one of those once in a decade type of players that would totally solidify the line and would make both Raiola and Backus/Cherilus better.
Say we trade up to #16(I forget who holds that pick but nonetheless), we would give up our pick this year. A third rounder this year and a third or conditional second in next years draft.
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Historically
Teams that DON’T trade up in the draft and actually collect picks from other teams are the ones that are successful (NE, Pitt, Balt, etc). Look at the Falcons. They mortgaged the future for Julio and were worse this year than last. Now they have even less picks to reload.
I would LOVE to see Mayhew mayhew another team ala the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah only one of the three picks worked out for us, but I love how we’re drafting thus far. Willie Young is a 7th rounder and looks solid. SLH was a 4th rounder and he’s a big part of the rotation. Doug Hogue is a 5th rounder and is a bit of an unknown quantity but has another year in the system and can improve.
Idk fellas. As much as I’d like a big tackle or guard, I just don’t think you move up to get ANYone. Stay at your pick or move back. To me, that’s how championships are won and lost.
by LionGuy016 on Jan 21, 2012 8:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I get what your saying
However, DeCastro isn’t a normal player. He is one of the best guards ever to enter the draft. He is the most sure-fire pick in the draft and would totally solidify our Oline.
I always support trading down as it garners more picks however, in this situation, trading up for him helps us.
Also like I said above, he is the least “Bust-likely” player in the draft. Sure anything can happen but this guy is a sure-fire as it gets. Considering what I just said, trading up for him makes even more sense.
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I agree for the most part
But, on rare occasions, when you can get a guy who will be a fixture of your team for over a decade, I think it’s okay. I don’t think Mayhew should go crazy, but if the pick is there and the price is right, he should make that trade.
Imagine getting DeCastro and Konz next year, they’d be able to start their careers with eachother from day one, and they’d get to learn behind guys like Raiola and Backus their first year in Detroit.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to see Hill play some where next year
Put one of these bad QB’s out of a job. Sounds like he wants to stay here though.
I hope they find a versatile DE that can fill in on both sides in case LJ or CY goes down along with the starters. I honestly wouldn’t mind them getting three good players for Avril, but I like Avril. Ugh.
He will be back
I’d be shocked to see him leave. He said that he likes it here and wants to remain a Lion. Unless there is a team where he clearly would be the better player, I doubt that he leaves.
I do expect Stanton to try FA though. However, if all he can get is a job as a #3 I expect him to return to Detroit.
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Would it be underhanded to....
RE-Sign both Hill and Stanton… then trade one or both for draft picks? Not sure how the salary cap works in those instances.
I don't think so
unless they have to lie to re sign them
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I think Hill to Arizona
As a FA is a possibility. If he doesn’t, Stanton will be somewhere else next year.
Personally, I think Phonz & SLH get traded for draft picks or a RG. I wouldn’t put it past Mayhew to get another team under his spell and pull off a heist.
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by Detroitfantc on Jan 21, 2012 9:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hill won't leave, its very unlikely
Looking at teams like the Colts, having a good backup is key.
I can definatly see SLH getting traded. However, I could very well see him remain a Lion.
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i would take any of these players in Draft
CB- Gilmore from SC, Dennard from Neb, Jenkins from N.Alabama
WR- Jeffery from SC
S- Barron from Alabama
LB- Hightower from Alabama, Burfict from ASU
C- Konz from wisc
I think this is a year where if there isnt a CB there at our pick we trade down a few picks and pick up more picks
dont think DRC is going anywhere
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by lionsfan_772 on Jan 21, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Measuring a player (your opinions)
Years ago I remember watching a story about the 49ers and how they went about drafting. What they did was have guys like Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana ect ect.. all their starters and great players sit down and take a personality test. Then they took all their measureables. Size, speed, football intellegence ect ect..and they put it all on a bar graphs. Then when they started testing the new incomming players they’d put that on bar graphs on asitate and lay it over the top to see how they line up with those players allready on the team at that position. Obviously you can’t measure a man’s heart. But is there something to this? Is it just ‘dumb luck’ that teams like Patriots or Green Bay or Pittsburgh and Baltimore continually restock their teams year after year or is there a little something more to it? It drives me crazy, I mean, how is it that Arron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski got by all of the rest of the NFL and both wound up on the same team unless Belicheck allready sees something everybody else doesn’t? I hope and pray that Mayhew and Co. are doing that and allready have in their mind a vision of the team they want to field here. Your opinions?
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