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Who is tradeable?


Bill Simmons of ESPN makes a list of NBA players and ranks them according to who is the most tradeable. This is basically a rip off of this theme for the Lions. Thought it would be interesting and get some debate going. I am limiting it to the starting offense and defense for the most part just for the sake of brevity. I am also not considering salary, cap, free agency etc... Just an opinion of who has the most value to the team as it stood at the end of the season

Group 1. "There is nothing you can say to make me even think about trading these guys and you should be ashamed of yourself for asking."

Stafford, Calvin, Suh, Fairley

Group 2. "I'm listening but I have to tell you. It's extremely unlikely I am going to like anything you have to say."

Titus, Delmas, Avril, Williams, Pettigrew, Tulloch, Durant, Wright

Group 3. "Okay tell me what your offering just don't tell anyone we are talking"

Scheffler, KVB, Levy, Houston, Raiola, Spievey, Leshore, Best

Group 4. "What do you have? We will even throw in some Lions gear"

Burelson, Backus, Peterman, Cherilus, Heller, Sims

Do Suh and Fairley belong in group 1? Is anyone tradeable? Should Wright and Houston switch places? Is Raiola the most valuable offensive lineman?

Thoughts?

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Cory williams

I think this guy is totally trade bait! If he isn’t , then he should be. Don’t get me wrong I really like him and he is better then the statshe puts up. With that being said we have fairley, suh, hill and draft pick. WE ARE BROKE. money has to come from somewhere!

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by blizzrd on Jan 21, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting.

I thought Corey was one of our best run stoppers so I would like to see him stick around. I think he is a high value guy

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree

His 5 Mill is a pretty large cap hit.

by Arrogant on Jan 21, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

completely disagree

Mayhew has said himself that he has graded CW’s performance higher than Suh’s on occasion. Don’t over look his value as a nose tackle. I don’t think for a second Hill is capable of starting at nose. Keep in mind Fairley and Suh are under tackles— those guys are better suited to play on the end than at nose tackle.

CW? Not trade bait.

by BtotheLT on Jan 21, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

If Mayhew

does want to trade C. Will he isn’t gonna get on the air and say “we don’t need that guy, he costs too much and his production is down.” I think SLH can do C. Will’s job just fine. When he subs in for C. Will it sure does seem like the line play improves.

by Lionsickness on Jan 21, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Just curious.

Do you think Young can do Avril’s job?

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

I do think Young can do Avril’s job. However, I in NO WAY endorse letting Cliff go. I like the quality of the rotation we have. I think if we could get serious value for C. Will, Mayhew would do it. I like C.Will but I think SLH and Fairley make him redundant and expensive.

by Lionsickness on Jan 21, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

When he subs in for C. Will it sure does seem like the line play improves.

Fresh legs man.

C Will is our Best all-around DT. There is a reason he starts and continues to do so.

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by joshsun on Jan 21, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

there may be something to that

but by that rationale we should see C.Will in on as many plays early in the game as we see SLH in on when he subs in. Maybe I am just missing it but it seems like SLH makes more plays in less snaps. I would subscribe more to a “young legs” theory.

by Lionsickness on Jan 21, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

C Will is facing fresh O lineman early in the game

SLH comes in later, with fresh legs, and faces worn down O lineman.

Don’t take me wrong, I love SLH (no homo) but he is no C Will.

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by joshsun on Jan 21, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I get it.

He is no C Will, but he also doesn’t have cory’s contract either. I would love to keep everyone, but we need money. It has to come from somewhere. Why not trade Williams promote Fairley and draft another SLH.

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by blizzrd on Jan 21, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

personally, I think that's a good way to go

I like Cwill a lot, and value his contribution. The fact is not everyone can stay and the leaving of some is going to sting a bit sometimes. I believe he can bring a decent value in trade along with the nice bonus of a little cap relief.

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 22, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

If we let C Will go

You can expect our run defense to be gashed more than last season and you can expect our screen defense to suffer greatly too. C Will is paid that kind of money for a reason. He is our best run stopper and he reads screens better than any other player on our D line and maybe better than most, if not all, of our LBs.

He is alarmingly underrated.

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by joshsun on Jan 22, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree joshun

I think we’ve been on the same mindset for c.will all year long.IMO you move Vandenbosch before c.will. isn’t his cap hit like 7 mil?

by Michael21 on Jan 23, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a problem moving KVB now

He restructured his contract last year to free up cap space. These types of restructures result in “signing bonuses” that normal salary before the restructure.

This allows the team to spread that money over the remainder of the contract thus reducing the cap hit for that season.

The problem, even if we cut him, his cap hit would still be on the books because signing bonuses are already paid monies. We could save some money but it would be far less than his total “salary”.

Does that make sense?

and yeah, I would like to move KVB before C Will too. It would be an extremely difficult decision but it is one I would make.

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by joshsun on Jan 23, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

The whole situation stinks to be honest but I guess this is what happens when you start actually accumulating talent. I’m hoping we make the right move’s to continue on to what we did this season.I’m definitely optimistic about next season.

by Michael21 on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Being optimistic is great

Everyone around here is feeling the same way. One of the problems of success…… paying for that success in cash dollars. Last season, we mortgaged future cap money (2012,2013) for more success in 2011.

Now we are in 2012. Are we going to do the same again? Can we do the same again? There is clearly a point of diminishing returns on “restructuring” contracts. Eventually, the money (cap room) saved will not be worth the effort. Or, the money saved will end up being so detrimental to future caps that you just can’t do that either.

It is not a popular opinion around here but, in my mind, it is reality. We are going to have to make some difficult cap related personnel decisions in the next year or two if we really want to continue to build for the future. No team can have 3 or 4 players eating up 50% of their cap and expect to be competitive.

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by joshsun on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

C-Will IS tradeable

And 1 of the guys I would put up since NO TEAM can play 4 DT’s. Keep the team young and hungry so C-Will (Mr. Off sides) would make the most sence. He is a guy who could get us something in return and say what you want about Fairley but him and Suh side by side would wreak havoc on the interior of the line. SLH would keep his same position on this roster as the #3 DT with Fluellen moving back to the #4 DT. You don’t draft 2 DT’s in back to back years in the top of the draft and not play them, that’s just flat out insane. C-Will’s best days are behind him and the other 4 DT’s are just starting to come into their prime years.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Jan 24, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly right

well, except the Fluellen part. Perhaps his spot goes to a young late round development type guy.

You nailed it with there really is no way you spend 1st round pick back to back without playing them both as starters, unless one turns out to be a bust….. which ’aint happenin!

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 25, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

bang-a-rang josh

with the cap going up considerably they may be able to dodge, or prolong, the bullet a bit. There can be no mistake the restructure of today has to be paid at some point, there’s no way around it.

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 25, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

That is the reality. It will have to be paid back

The upcoming bump in Salary cap from the TV right’s increase could avert that to some degree. Does anyone know if that increase is in effect for the 2013 or 2014 season.

I seem to remember it was 2014.

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by joshsun on Jan 25, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe there will be a little bump for 12

and then a large jump in 13 and increases from there.

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 26, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd Put Pettigrew in group one

He isn’t going anywhere. Fairley is in group one just cause we drafted him, and Suh is definatly there.

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by Detroitnr1 on Jan 21, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

I thought about that

I just thought with his propensity for dropping some key passes he just barely went into group 2.

Given how valuable tight ends are these days though you could make the case he is untouchable.

I still think he is a group 2 guy though.

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess

But he isn’t going anywhere. The only way we would trade him is if we got a steal like Aaron Hernandez in like the 4th.

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by Detroitnr1 on Jan 21, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Linehan

likes his TE packages which makes him pretty much indispensable. Just think about where he was drafted and who we drafted him ahead of if you want to know how much he means to our offensive coordinator. Also, he’s on the cusp of being an elite TE.

by supupeoples on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely on the cusp

I just hope he gets rid of the dropsies next season because some of them this season were brutal

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by Spider1 on Jan 24, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Raiola and KVB in group 1

That is the leadership of the Lions. Right now, they are irreplaceable. You don’t trade those guys. You bring people in and reduce their snaps and move them to backups.

by rekar on Jan 21, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Wow.

You will probably get many replies on that one. Is leadership enough to make you untouchable?

Lakers keep getting abused by other point guards for keeping Derek Fisher too long in my opinion for that same reason.

I love those guys but I don’t think you can put them in group one. I don’t think they would be traded, I’m just saying in terms of importance to the team I don’t think they can go in group one.

"My Mama once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" - Jay Z

by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Their not untouchable

If the offer is too good you can’t turn it down. I know this won’t happen but, if you were offered a first round draft pick for a 33 year old average, undersized center, you’d turn it down?

Once again I know that won’t happen, but unless you are a superstar, you aren’t untouchable.

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by Detroitnr1 on Jan 21, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Where would you be if you lose him?

He is the quarterback of the offensive line. What or how can you replace him, no matter who you get. If that O line is in shambles then Staff is going to be in serious trouble and so will the Lions. Not that anyone would ever give us a first round for Dom, what would we do about the hole in the O line? We would have at least a two year set back while our new center learned the Lion game. This is absolutely not acceptable. There is nothing we can do about Raiola. We must find a replacement who he can train but who can also play beside him in the line, an learn.

by rekar on Jan 22, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

PHG started a rook C and he did a great job

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by joshsun on Jan 22, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Sooner or later you have to groom someone new

Not trying to hate on Raiola. To me he is that Chris Spielman category type player every team needs. He’s smart and is all heart. But listening to alot of the scouts and those who know a hell of alot more than we do say the Lions inability to run stems from 2 things. Raiola’s size.(.teams tend to put the huge DT over him and just implode the line of scrimmage), that and the lack of a REAL fullback. I’m not saying he needs to go, but more sooner than later they have to get new blood in at the OLT and C position.

by Maxha on Jan 23, 2012 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but for different reasons

First and foremost I don’t think they would garner a trade value equal to the value they bring to the team. I totally do agree they need to be transitioned out of being a starter.

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 22, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah seems like the community is split on who our best cornerback is...

I actually like Wright more.

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It isn't a contest.

It’s Aaron Berry. And if you disagree, you can go back to being Broke and Miserable.

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by YakAttack on Jan 21, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

As do I

Eric Wright and Aaron Berry live #Regan

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by Bighaircut on Jan 22, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

houston makes plays and makes QBs throwaway from him. wright was just another band-aid signing

by miblue on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

True but I am ignoring that

I am just looking at the team we ended the season with and trying to see where POD thinks they rank as far as most valuable to the team.

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, they are still Lions until the free agent period begins.

The Lions are the only team that can negotiate with them right now.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 21, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

One player, Stafford

Everyone else is fair game if the right deal comes along.

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by joshsun on Jan 21, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

Nah, I keep Calvin too

everyone else can be had for the right price.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew someone would say that

I will give you Suh and Fairley if you twisted my arm but to me Staff and Calvin are a pair. Untouchable

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I did say "right deal"

For CJ, that deal would be record setting in league history.

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by joshsun on Jan 21, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

To the tune of 4 2011 first round picks in the 10-20 range

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by Nate D. on Jan 21, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would

consider giving him up for picks 4 through 12 though. maybe.

by Lionsickness on Jan 21, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats weird

Calvin Johnson is already record setting in league history….

by supupeoples on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good points Tuff

But this was just to get a sense of who people felt was the most important to the team. If your starting a team tomorrow and you have to choose from the Lions above.

I think you go Staff, Calvin, Suh, Fairley and the rest could be mixed as to where they fall.

Just for discussion. I leave the more serious posts to you and the other guys ; )

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Corey Williams fits the profile of #5

Alphonso Smith is more likely to be cut than traded, IMO (though I know you were just citing examples).

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by Nate D. on Jan 21, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent points tuffy

I could see Cwill falling into the category of 3 as well as 5 given his 6+mil footprint (4.7 base, 1+ bonus spread, + seasonal bonuses). He’s a great player for us but can his job be done cheaper by younger players on the way up.

I also have to wonder about a guy like Peterman with his 4m cap hit (2.8base + 1.1 bonus spread). Granted, I’m not sure he can fetch a trade value equal to his contribution to the team. I believe Cwill still could. While 4m isn’t so large it seems like a key place to look at drafting a cheaper and higher potential alternative.

Another player that could fall into the 3rd category, imo, is Burleson. I know he’s got solid value and they’ve praises him up yet again recently. Still at 4+ cap hit this year the question is could he bring value and cap relief with his job being performed by others? I really like Nate and hope he does whatever it takes to remain with the team, ala restructure a pay cut. He wouldn’t bring in a large price in terms of picks anyway so it would be nice to keep him.

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 22, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think all of your points are solid

You have a solid defensible argument for every player you mentioned. The only thing that I can really add is pointing out the compensatory pick we would get for a guy like CWill. I think that Corey will remain a main cog in the Lions defensive line rotation, so if he leaves in free agency the Lions would probably get a third or fourth round compensatory pick. While the Lions might get more for him in a trade, he may still have value to keep on the team for a season.

I guess it all comes down to what you would do to replace him if he were traded. The obvious answer would ne to give more snaps to Sammie Lee Hill and pick up another guy to backfill in the rotation. That could be a cheaper free agent with upside or by drafting somebody like Akiem Hicks, that you can develop.

I think that Nick Fairley could play nose if he wanted to.

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by TuffLynx on Jan 22, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

For real...

What’s that all about? Guy is easily our most talented offensive lineman

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by Nate D. on Jan 21, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, I can't see him bringing trade value equal to his contribution value

beyond that his cap hit is not bad at all at like 1.2m or so. He’s sticking around even if they upgrade in the draft.

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 22, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I think trading leaderds can be deflating to the chemistry

so while it might seem easy by skill to replace Riola, KVB, or Burleson
losing them could also upset the players left- and while I get professional athletes
should perform no matter what – human nature says perforrmance is affected when folks are bitter or disillusioned.

Also I don’t know that trading Calvin for two draft classes will really help the Lions
in the following two years, because how much impact will 20 or so rookies have.. in terms of performance and continuity.

The Lions appear close, and don’t really need two full draft classes IMO.

I like the trades of late picks for guys who seemed like square pegs with their current teams

by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Jan 21, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Really the only tradeable players we have IMO:

Corey Williams – Probably the best talent/expendability ratio of anyone on the team. Can play the 3-4 and 4-3, and has shown promise with the Lions.

Gosder Cherilus – Also has stepped his game up, generally speaking, as of late. A prior top 20 pick, and has serious size, which you can’t obviously coach.

Sammie Lee Hill – A rotational DT here, maybe more if Williams does in fact get traded, would probably turn out great as a NT or a #2 on another team, and is young.

DeAndre Levy – Young as well, decently talented with good (not great) measureables.

Louis Delmas – Though I love him and hope he plays well enough to retire with Detroit, he is known as a passionate, relatively talented guy, if injury prone (Bob Sanders anyone?). He would be worth quite a bit to a team in need of a safety (including us), and we would probably get more for him than anyone else on the list.

Guys listed previously like Scheffler, KVB, Wright, etc. have shown they aren’t worth giving up compensation for due to either age or a talent ceiling.

Just my .02

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by Nate D. on Jan 21, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

I just can't get myself to really consider C Will and Delmas

Good points and I think in my mind I over value those guys but I just wouldn’t want to see them leave. I don’t think either is tradeable

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree with you 100%

‘Tradeable’ is really based on the players’ value to another club.

Delmas and Williams have plenty of upside and time left in their careers, so they’re worth the most. I’d love to see them stay here and produce greatly.

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by Nate D. on Jan 21, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Here are the players I think are expendable and likely tradeable

Will Heller, Will Young, Sam Hill, Levy, Alphonso Smith, Eric Wright, and Amari Spievy.

I wouldn’t trade much of the foundation including: the obvious players, plus Backus, Sims, Raiola, L Jackson, C Williams, Avril, Durant, Houston, Delmas and Berry. Players I haven’t mentioned I can’t imagine would get much attention from other teams. Also, in context to some younger players I’m under the impression they would like to see how they pan out. Of course if they’re put in the position to trade a said player for a higher draft pick resulting in an upgrade at the position, thats completely understandable. Berry could be trade bait if we hear more outbursts from him. I’m not sure if Gosder is trade bait considering he has improved throughout his time here.

Further more, I’d like to make the statement that I’ve read a lot of people make the argument “Trade anybody if the deal is right” well the fact of the matter is nobody is going to make an offer to acquire Backus or Raiola. Nobody is going to make an offer to get KVB, seriously, the guy is in the twilight of his career and has a serious neck injury in his past.

by BtotheLT on Jan 21, 2012 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

I agree on Berry

Although he has many strong supporters who think he is going to be solid with more experience.

I mean when Drew Brees throws it in your lap and you can’t come up with it… Yuck.

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Even though Wright was hurt for the last half of the season?

I feel like the first 5 or 6 games Wright was our better corner.

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by Spider1 on Jan 21, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston had a great start to the season

Wright is good. But he can’t cover another teams number 1 receiver like Houston can. Wright plays the number 2 guy in 4-3 schemes for a reason. In nickel formations he moves inside to cover the slot. Wright is a well balanced guy to have. Both stop the run pretty well. Can’t say that I’d put him over Houston though.

by BtotheLT on Jan 21, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Wright never got thrown at until he got hurt. I think he’s much better than houston. Much better tackler and much more reliable in the secondary.

by Michael21 on Jan 23, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys who we should move if the value is there

Corey Williams – Would need to get a 2nd round pick back
KVB – 3rd of 4th round pick
Best – 2nd and a 4th or something like that
Burleson – 3rd or 4th

Those would be good deals.

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by CapitolLions on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Restructure

Calvin: 64 million
Staff: 72 million
Suh :60 million

Calvin is due like 14 million next year. Sign new deal first year maybe 10 million that’s 4 million in cap. Do the same with Staff and Suh and we have 12 million more in cap.( Repeat every year to screw with them, Madden style) Seriously though we don’t have to cut our key personal, just a few small instant bonuses to move money around.

by Lionsfan012 on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

CJ is due 17 million next year

and his cap hit will be 22 million because of the 5 million bonus he earned this season that counts on next seasons cap.

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by joshsun on Jan 23, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

there's a major flaw with that approach

which is you’re leveraging the future for the present. Now granted the cap will be going up considerably in a few years (I don’t recall how much but I thought it was something like +25m from current). Still tho if you start adding up a couple mil from this players, that players, another players all of a sudden you’re gimped a high caliber players salary worth of cap.

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by Ee Oulo on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Are services factored into the cap?

For example, could the Lions buy Calvin a house to avoid a couple million on the cap?

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 24, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

No

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by joshsun on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Could they buy ME a house to free up cap space?

‘Cause I’d be willing to take a free house for the team.
I’m a team player.

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by UndaDawg on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

now we are talking

That would be allowed under the cap system.

Now convincing Mayhew you have the measurables, that is the next step.

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by joshsun on Jan 24, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's see...

Hmmm…
…shady house purchases which may or may not be legal…

Perhaps a call to Reggie Bush is an order. I think he has experience in this type of thing.

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by UndaDawg on Jan 24, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

House and Car!

Lets not sell the guy short!

He has mad skillz.

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by joshsun on Jan 24, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Last offseason, the Eagles made a big splash in free agency

and look where that has gotten them this year.

The Giants lost Kevin Boss and Steve Smith, and they are otherwise largely the same team that went 10-6 last year and narrowly missed the playoffs. No big free agent signings yet they are playing for the Super Bowl. I don’t expect the Lions to do anything major in free agency, even though it looks like a better market this year.

I will also be happy if there are no major trades made by the Lions. I could see trading some of our front seven depth away for help in the secondary, but I won’t be too upset if that doesn’t happen. I trust Mayhew will draft well, and we will continue to develop our players.

Apart from Suh, Fairley, CJ, and Stafford, I guess anyone else is tradeable if there is a really compelling offer on the table.

by SuhSuhSuhdio on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

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