Anyone else see this?

by Lionking4420 on Jan 28, 2012 12:38 AM EST

Sorry if this post is not spaced guys. I'm still having a lot of problems with the format of my posts. I have no idea why they never publish the way I have them setup. Hope it does not keep you from reading. Let me start by saying that I know this subject has been beaten to death, but I can't help it. I was watching ESPN (I know that's the root of the problem right there, lol.) and they had this bit talking asking was Tim fucking Tebow snubbed from the probowl! Are you fucking serious? Some of the so called "experts" and players were actually saying that yes, he was snubbed. What I am about to say is completely and totally without bias. This is the most ridiculous fucking thing I have seen on ESPN in a long, long time. That's saying something considering it's ESPN i'm talking about here. Let's look at Tebow's numbers. (or lack thereof) In 14 games Tebow had 1,729 yards/ a dismal 46.5 completion percentage/ 12 td's/ 6 int's/ 5 lost fumbles/ and a quarterback rating of 73.0. How anyone could look at you with a straight face and say that Tim Tebow deserved to be a pro bowl caliber quarterback needs help, because they have some serious mental problems. Again, i'm checking my bias at the door here. I would argue that Stafford was one of the biggest pro bowl snubs in the history of the NFL. How the fuck do you have the numbers that Staff had this year and not even make an ALTERNATE spot? Lately I have been hearing a lot of people (including many Lion's fans) starting to support the selection of Eli Manning instead of Matt. To me that's a joke too. No one had a clue that Eli and the Giants would be playing this well in the playoffs. Hell, most didn't think the Giants were even going to make it there in the first place. The selection of the pro bowlers came long before the playoffs ever started. Stafford had far superior numbers. Stafford's team did not back into the playoffs. Yes, Eli had some great come backs this season , but so did Stafford. In fact, Stafford helped the Lions become the first team to ever come back from 17 down and win in 3 seperate games in one season . He also helped the Lions become the only team in NFL history to come back and win 4 games in which a team has been down 13 points or more in a single season. So the whole Eli's 4th quarter comebacks argument really is not valid at all. This is coming from one of Eli's biggest fans too. I have lived at Ole Miss my whole life and have met Eli,Payton,Cooper, and Archie many times. My family has been painting homes for 50+ years here in Oxford including all the work for Eli's home here in Oxford. Eli will always be my second favorite football player of all time . Second only to the god that is Barry Sanders lol. (btw, the entire Manning family are the most kindest, down to earth people I think I have ever met in my life. They truly are wonderful people) Also, for Cam the scam Newton and Tony fucking Homo to be picked as alternates ahead of Stafford was a fucking travesty. For me it's the straw that broke the camel's back. I was never really big on the pro bowl in the first place, but now i'm fucking done with that popularity contest. It's just another chance for the commentators to brown nose little bitches like Rivers, Homo, Sanchez,Brady, Tebow, and all the other players that they seem to love like their children. When I saw that bit on ESPN earlier I literally wanted to throw my shoe at my t.v. Thanks to bud light and a lil bud for helping me keep my tube. Ok guys, i'm done with my rant now! I had to get that shit off my chest, so I figured i'd come vent via the pride. Here's to a great offseason boys! GO LIONS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Good stuff

You are right on with your observations. Stafford will get his due next year.

by Strawboss on Jan 28, 2012 8:07 AM EST reply actions

Picking on Tebow is way too easy, at this point.

THAT BEING SAID, the fact that ESPN actually dedicated an entire segment of programming to the validity of him going to the Pro-Bowl is beyond any comprehension or shred of reason I can possibly come to.

His talents, or lack thereof, have been well documented by now. He’s barely better than Rex Grossman, if that. And yet here we are, nearly a full three weeks after his team was blown right out of the playoffs, and we’re STILL hearing about him. Simply unbelievable that such a mediocre player could attract this kind of media attention; just imagine how bad it would be if he played for the Cowboys, and actually lead them to a playoff spot. I don’t think I could stomach a single dose of NFL media again.

by Kiddington on Jan 28, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions

*two weeks

…not three.

by Kiddington on Jan 28, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions

AFC vs NFC seemed to be a problem this year

I think I saw the same segment as you did, and the thing that jumped off the screen at me was how terrible AFC QBs not named Tom Brady were compared to the NFC elite this year. Brady was over 5000, Eli close. Both of them aren’t playing because of the Super Bowl. That leaves them with Rapelesbeurger, Rivers, and Andy Dalton. Rivers had the best season of the three with around 4600 yds, 27 tds, 20 int. That simply isn’t gonna cut it in a sane selection of Pro Bowl NFC qbs where Eli, Aaron Rodgers, Brees and Stafford were all right around 5000 yards. That Romo or Cam Newton was mentioned is kind of a joke, but that is a different issue.

What I see in this case is that the passers in the NFC were a lot better than in the AFC. So Tebow making it in the other conference may not be as big of a shock as Stafford not making it in the NFC. Tebow made plays with his legs (you do have to give him that), and those plays don’t show up well in the qb stats. I would definitely say he is not as good a qb as Stafford or any of the other NFC elite, but he may be more deserving than many of the mediocre AFC qbs.

You have to keep his competition in mind. Seriously, who would you put in his place for the AFC? The number 4-8 qb leaders for yards in the AFC were (descending order) 4-Ryan Fitzpatrick (!), Flacco, Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Sanchez, Andy Dalton. None of those guys hit 4000 yards, and Sanchez was the leader among them with 26 tds.

This leads me to a question: are AFC pass defenses just that much better? or is their conference almost completely devoid of qb talent outside of Brady, Peyton and Matt Schuab? With the other two injured, the AFC became a one horse race for qbs.

by NewPoster on Jan 28, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions

NP half nails it.

The other half of the issue is that the Pro Bowl is basically a popularity contest. There is no formula for which player(s) should be invited based on their performance.

At one point late in the season I heard that Tebow was the most popular athlete in the US based on some poll that had just been done by ESPN [of course, that figures].
http://www.nesn.com/2012/01/tim-tebow-named-most-loved-athlete-in-america-but-thinks-crazy-polls-are-out-there.html
So, if the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest not based on performance, why would Tebow not be made the starter for the AFC over Brady, even if Brady was playing?

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 28, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions

players and coaches count for 2/3 of the vote

"If you don't invest very much, then defeat doesn't hurt very much and winning is not very exciting." ~Dick Vermeil

"Some people watch adult videos on their computer. I go to YouTube and watch Jahvid Best highlight clips. That's what gets me aroused." ~Jim Schwartz

by DylanD on Jan 28, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions

Uh-huh, but that does not mean they don't vote for reasons other than performance.

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 28, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions

The Probowlers should be in the top 5 of 2-3 categories per the position

and then let the fans vote for the starters.

http://twitter.com/#!/rumbulls

by CLF on Jan 31, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions

Biggest complaint by me is

That it’s called the Popularity Bowl not Pro Bowl anymore. If it was about the best of the best being there then Cam Newton would not have been inserted over Stafford who THREW for more than 5000 yrds, unlike Cam who RAN for almost as much as he threw. 1 QB took a franchise to the Playoffs and one took a team to almost mediocrity. Popularity Bowl like I said.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Jan 29, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions

i dont want stafford or any lion to play in the probowl anyways. If they get injured in a bullshit game ....

by jonathan.onne on Jan 29, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions

I view what Cam did to be on par with what Staff did

ducks rotten fruit

Seriously, in his rookie year on a team in transition he blew up some records and took a terrible team farther than anyone thought he could. Sure he didn’t pass for 5k or throw 40+ TDs, but he ran for a record number and threw for a record number (for rookie QBs). He deserves a nod.

The Probowl is BS. I watched a couple minutes of that crappy ass two hand touch game and if not for wishing my team’s players got a free trip to Hawaii, I would say I hope they all skip it to reduce any wear and tear on them. Schumacher isn’t taking his F1 car out to buy groceries. Let people overlook the Lions for one more season. We will let them know their mistake when we are in the playoffs.

by ATL Lion on Jan 30, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions