Lions Nearly Traded For Eagles' Asante Samuel, According To Report
by Sean Yuille on Jan 6, 2012 1:15 PM EST
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PrintBack in the summer, when it was unclear what the Detroit Lions' plans were at cornerback, a lot of fans were hoping that the team would try to trade for Philadelphia Eagles cornerback Asante Samuel. Once Nnamdi Asomugha signed with the Eagles, Samuel was sort of looked at as the odd man out. Although the Lions had already added Eric Wright, Chris Houston had not re-signed at the time.
As it turns out, the Lions did try to trade for Samuel. In fact, a deal was in place before the deal fell apart, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.
And tick off Asante Samuel the Eagles did. They should have just traded Samuel when they had the chance during training camp. Roseman, at one point, had a deal to send Samuel to the Lions for a second-round pick, two sources close to the situation said. Roseman even went so far as to have the Lions call Samuel. But he wanted a first round pick instead and called off the deal.
(UPDATE: I received further clarification on this proposed deal from another source close to the situation. The compensation for Samuel that was agreed upon was not just a second round pick, but two second day draft picks, and the deal fell apart for reasons other than draft compensation.)
Instead of giving up two picks in the second and third rounds for Samuel, the Lions ultimately brought back Houston to fill the other hole at cornerback. Considering how well Houston played this season before getting hurt and that the Lions made the playoffs, I'd say not trading for Samuel worked out pretty well for them.
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not for that price (multiple picks) but having Samuel in the secondary mix as well probably wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Price was too high for me
I’d rather draft a CB this year. Another thing, doesn’t Samuel have a really big contract. Could we even afford him.
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yeah like I said not for the price
I was just speaking to having another quality CB in the secondary
the price is too high for me too
It basically equates to at the least no LeShoure pick but also likely no TDY as well!! The jury is still out on LeShoure, but I still have huge hope on him. When it comes to TDY there’s no way I would want a 33 yo higher end CB gambler possibly on decline over the kickass play and potential for young Titus Young.
In the scheme of the rebuilding process the long term investment for TDY and LeShoure by far outweighs any sort of win now/soon of getting Samuel.
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well maybe not for the price
But if that price gave us a shut down corner with 10 pics and gave us a 1 loss record then maybe he would be worth that price…. I’d love to have 3 top flight corners for other teams to deal with.
by hostage42 on Jan 6, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
2 TOP 100 picks for a 31 years old CB?
What a DUMB move by Mayhew there. Can’t believe Lions almost did it.
We’re still far from Green Bay/ New England formula
Lol what?
The report said two day two picks. could be 3rd and 4th or 4th and 5th and whatnot.
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by Latif Masud on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Day two = second and thid round
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Oh right
I forgot the NFL went to the 3 day format
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i think most of us would like to forget that
3 days is just too long. and not having round 2 the first day sucks too.
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Almost called that one
Said months ago the Lions would be talking to philliy abous Asante. Now the price was a little hefty but i think he’d have made a huge diffrence in the secondary. Also would have helped Phonz to have a player around who has that similar gamble style that he does. Maybe in the off season this will come up again with a much lighter price. I am starting to sour on Eric Wright but Houston has been solid. I’m tired of collecting number 2 corner backs. we have fantastic depth and no starter. Asante IMO is still a good #1 corner.
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im not sure whats wrong with wright but hopefully he will play ball tomorrow night... he seems to always be holding his shoulder and stretching it
im not sure how much its bothering him
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I cant wait for free agency to start in a couple months
I want us to persue some great talent and this is the first time in a very long time that we will actually get some top players actually want to come here. We need some free agents in my opinion at oline and one number 1 corner. We will get a lot of middle of the road players that have been cast out from different teams like we have been having but maybe one or two great talents might want to play here. I believe free agency period will be more crucial then the draft this year cause we got guys like Avril that has to resign and we have bunch of one year players we signed like Tulloch that we have to make a decision on
by Liontotheextreme on Jan 6, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions
I feel the same way.
But after locking up our own stars in Tulloch, CJ, and Avril Idk how much money we’ll have to go after other free agents.
by NewSchoolLionFan on Jan 6, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
We have to start on CJ this off season to at least get some dialogue going cause he only has one year left and i see him like Verlander, no way can we allow him to leave. We wont have a ton of money but i believe we can cut some edges and i believe people would make some cuts in pay to see that we get some guys. All three you mentioned i believe have to stay, whatever it takes. Avril is our best pass rusher and KVB is getting older and im not sold on Jackson just yet. We have a lot to think about and i believe i think almost half our roster are free agents
by Liontotheextreme on Jan 6, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Any other 5 million plus contracts
Coming off the books other than Backus?
by NewSchoolLionFan on Jan 6, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well you have Backus of course
than you have Ekeijuba with over 5 mill, Chris Harris with 3.5 mill, Shawn hill with almost 5 mill. So there are some players coming off the books to get some money, Hill is iffy if he gets back and Juba has been injured more times than not with us.
by Liontotheextreme on Jan 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt know that Juba made that much.
And as much as I like Hill I don’t feel that we need him back. Keep Stanton and draft a rookie project.
by NewSchoolLionFan on Jan 6, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Ekejiuba owns 5 mi? Release him now!
I have a lot of expectation about Doug Hogue development. Also, Palmer is a ST ace and Bobby Carpenter is a heck of backup LB there.
Talking about shutdown corners, I totally agree. Lions need a true #1 CB to pair with Houston. Finnegan, a JS dude, is most complete than Samuel and fits perfectly our scheme.
I’d like to see Wright back at nickel where the kid make a lot of good plays, but the coach staff loves Aaron Berry, so I think Lions will let him go.
Chris Harris is awful. We really need another safety behind Delmas and Spievey there. Maybe Ricardo Silva made the 53 man Roster next season or even Mayhew goes after a vet.
How about Laron Landry?
by Pedro Ferreira on Jan 6, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Call me crazy
But it just doesn’t seem like the Lions FO likes making huge moves in FA. The biggest “splash” they made was bringing in KVB. It seems they like to fill holes with FA as opposed to getting a big name guy. Or they pick up somebody who fits the system and was underperforming at their previous team (Houston, CWill) They tried with Samuel, they tried getting Patrick Peterson but it seems Mayhew and co. just don’t like to pay a whole heck of a lot for players.
I think our “top players” as you put it, will come from the draft.
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I dont dissagree
The draft is where we will get the majority of our up and coming players. What im trying to say is that the free agency period is going to be more critical for us. We have a lot of people to resign and not a whole heck of a lot of money to do it with and not just for this agency period. We have CJ to resign by next year, Avril and Tulloch for examples this year. We have to keep the key players that have made us successful this year that are up for free agency
by Liontotheextreme on Jan 6, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
And that's the smart way to build a team
overpaying for FA’s that may or may not earn their contract is risky, and can most definitely backfire (See: Washington Redskins). By Signing a guy like Eric Wright instead of giving up a treasure trove of assets to move up in the draft for Patrick Peterson we’re taking significantly less risk while still plugging a hole.
So, while it might not be very exciting, making low-risk moves is one of the ways Mayhew has turned this team from a laughingstock into a playoff team.
That would have been a terrible trade for us
Glad we didn’t do it
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Im glad they didnt pull the trigger on this one and the deal fell apart
I remember during the off season when there was still that hole I kept saying I hope they bring back Houston for continuity and that he would be good enough for this secondary. Though he’s been injured he has stats very equal to Revis.
Revis 52 total tackles 25 pass deflected 4 int 1 td
Houston 54 total tackles 19 pass deflected 5 int 2 td
Now im not saying he’s on Revis level yet or anything but he gave Revis Like production while being injured. Im not sold on Wright, Berry, and starting to realize why the Phonz didnt see much action after he came back from injury and not until they couldnt help but play him since there were too many they had no choice. He’s had 3 nice picks but he’s also given up a lot. Samuel wasnt the answer though i dont believe that I do think though that we could use a CB thats not on the roster yet that compliments Houston or vice versa.
What's funny to me about this
was the number of POD’ers who assured anyone who would listen that Samuel couldn’t possibly fit our scheme, and was the reason why we didn’t/shouldn’t have traded for him.
Apparently, our Coaching Staff though otherwise…
2nd and 3rd just too much
It’s fucking amazing how teams over value some players, they should of jumped at the chance to trade him for a 2nd rounder. Jusy crazy…
Agreed
It’s prob also why the Eagles and alot of other teams sucked so bad this year. They overestimated the players they have and underestimated how they’d fit in their scheme and system. Leaving them way overpaid and now stuck for 2-3 years sucking up capspace. (We all painfully remeber Marinelli trying to jam sqaure holed type players in round spaces for his Cover 2 defense.) And look at how the media were giving blow-jobs to the Eagles, Cowboys, Rams and Jets before the season started. And all but handed the Eagles the Lombardi Trophy in August…Im glad Mayhew and Co. have a little more foresight. This team as it stands now needs tweaking at the O-line and secondary even the most blind fan can see that. When that happens, I see them as catching up to (talent wise) the upper echelon teams in the NFL. You won’t see Green Bay and New Orelans fan beating their chest as hard as they are now. Because the Lions will start sending teams like this home in the playoffs.
Boy, did I take some shit for this during that time.
Can’t remember who it was that was really giving it to me about Asante Samuel not fitting with the Lions and all that….
I was one that did, and I am so glad we did not get him
Especially considering that it would have likely cost us Titus Young, Mikel Leshoure, and one of our other picks, possibly Doug Hogue. At the time I believed he did not fit the scheme, but now I can clearly see that the Lions like their corners to play off cover, we see it all day long with the 10 yard cushions they give. In retrospect I can say that he may be a better fit for the scheme than I thought. However I can also say that I really do not like our scheme on defense at all. So maybe it was just personal bias and wishful thinking coming through. If we had traded for him I would have supported him 100% but I am very glad we did not and I hope that some day we see a truly aggressive Lions defense on the field. Not just the front four, but a secondary that gets in guys faces all day long too instead of giving up 10 yard cushions and slant completions all day long.
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Scratch Douge Hogue, since it was two day two picks it would have been Young, Leshoure, and Culbreth that we would have given up for him.
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Actually Culbreth was a later pick
Since we didn’t pick in the 3rd or 4th rounds no one really knows who it would have been. I guess it would be fair to say just Titus Young and Mikel Leshoure. Still not worth it IMO when we resigned Houston without giving anything up and IMO he has played just fine.
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Okay, but the point was that you (I think it was you)....
were adamant about how the Lions would never be interested in Samuel and how badly he didn’t fit with the team. I think it’s pretty obvious that if the price were lower, Samuel would be a Lion. It goes to show that we fans don’t know nearly what we think we do sometimes.
I’d also like to add that I agree that the price was too steep (and that’s why the Lions didn’t get him), but to say we didn’t need or couldn’t use Samuel is ridiculous. Our secondary continues to be the weak point of the team and with all the injuries, he would have been a great addition to the team.
Exactly.
I would’ve understood if some folks had taken the position of “he’s not worth it due to age/salary/whatever”, but it was that people were just straight-up saying that the Coaching Staff wouldn’t even consider bringing him on because he didn’t “fit our scheme”.
But whatevs. The moral of the story is that if a dude can ball, coaches will want him on their team, regardless of whether he’s an absolutely ideal fit.
i agree about the price
But come on guys….sooner or later we have to get a big name cb…. Our defense……check that our team is 1 or 2 players from being the best team in football….. Our offense can score with anybody! Our d has room for improvement! If we get a shutdown corner on one side ltd wright/Houston fight it out on the other side we would be a dominating defense! So for the right guy I say spend the money! All me need to do is spend just one time! Could make all the difference in the world!
by hostage42 on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The way we've been drafting it's not worth giving up a 2nd and a 3rd for that guy if he's 31 years old
That’s like giving up 2 future starters the way Mayhew drafts.
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by WalterM on Jan 7, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally I am not so worried about getting a big name CB
We have enough talent on this team. I will give Gunney / Schwartz about one more year before I start turning into an ass about my personal feelings on how the defense is schemed / run. I feel that we have enough young players in the mix, and it is a complex enough scheme, even though it don’t look like it from the casual fan watching on TV, to warrant some development time to get it all installed properly.
I will say though, the quick turn around I have seen from coordinators like Greg Madison (Ravens, U of M), Wade Phillips (Texans), Greg Williams (Saints, mainly on turnovers), and Dom Capers (Packers, again mainly on turnovers), has me seriously questioning a lot of things.
For the most part I am OK with the progress I see on our defense, we just need to take another step forward next year.
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The Packers and Saints have two of the worst...
pass defenses in the history of the league. I know that above you said that those “turnarounds” were based more on turnovers, but those are cyclical sometimes and luck plays a big part in those… as does opponent, opposing QB and all that jazz. I doubt that I would use either of those defenses as examples to prove the Lions are on the wrong track though. The Lions’ defense is much better than both of those.
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