NFL Playoffs, Giants Vs. Falcons - Open Thread
by Sean Yuille on Jan 8, 2012 12:55 PM EST
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The winner of this game will take on the Packers next week at Lambeau Field.
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I wish we were playing today.
1st round would have been a different story for us.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Anyone notice
Both the Falcons and the Giants are bringing pressure. I wish we would have at least attempted pressure.
Saints oline would just have tackled them, too
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
*Completely ignoring this game*
If the Madden Curse wasn’t so prevalent, I’d want Stafford to be on the cover.
Why in the hell did the Falcons go for it there?
3-0 is a huge lead in this game.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Smith looks like he's going to cry, Troys right, shoulda kicked the FG
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Whoa
What’s this “holding” they just called on the Giants?
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Not sure, must only apply in other playoff games...
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Falcons seriously suck on 4th and inches
They haven’t learned anything
Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven-John Milton
That could be the game winning score the way this game's been played.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Minus the Saints-Lions game
The rest of these wildcard games have been extremely boring
Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven-John Milton
True, no fun watching teams play not to lose
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
For us, however, we have to endure hours of high blood pressure watching a team coached into a level of H.S. play.
Time for Atlanta to go all out after Eli, see if they can get the little fugger to throw a pic
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What the hell?
Kick the FG, take the lead into halftime.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
no respect for Atlanta, I might have kicked it too
But I suppose you’d better be able to get an inch at home in the playoffs…worked out for them
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
That was funny, Ryan got up, looked right at the guard and screamed "What the fuck??"
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LOL, indeed
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
They used a formula this morning on NFL network
That judged beauty by how symmetrical a QB’s face was. Matt Ryan has the most symmetrical face so by their evaluation, he is the most beautiful QB. I lost faith in the entire process….
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
What a weird thing to have on.
Seriously who cares? Bree’s looks like he lives in the sewers!
Andrew Luck looks like he’s half kyle orton half rat. Who gives a fuck you can play or you cant.
I have no clue
My buddy just told me they did a similar segment on Espn a week ago with a different final outcome….baby jesus was the most beautiful.
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I would still have that birthmark removed off of my face if I was Brees….and I’m a Saints fan. Most Saints fans wondered wtf it was when we first signed him. I think it said in his book that he got used to it after awhile and just looked at it as apart of his face and couldn’t picture himself without it. I swear it has changed shape as the years have went by. Sometimes it looks like their is hair growing off of it and sometimes it doesn’t.
Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven-John Milton
by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Eli just brain farted on down and distance that last third down
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it was like the Falcons were making up plays on the fly
instead of having a series of plays ready to go.
Charles Aaron "Bubba" Smith 1945 - 2011 R.I.P.
I think the Falcs are gonna have some hard choices if they go 1 and done, is it three years running?...
Smith always looks like he’s ready to cry and that cant be a good thing for an HC
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Ugh
This is so hard to watch knowing that the Lions could easily beat both of these teams.
Honestly, the Lions would’ve beat every wild card team so far.
Sorry about yesterday
The refs gave you guys a real screwjob. Stealing that easy touchdown was a gamechanger. I swear the Saints are the annointed ones. Refs gave them Atlanta week 16, only other game of theirs I saw.
Peace, F the Refs, F the Saints.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
Yeah tough game for us but what can you do.
We probably were going to lose anyway. I guess its not the Saints fault the Refs gave them calls.
What else is new
Poor officiating.
by fiendishdr.wu on Jan 8, 2012 2:39 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I don't really even care who wins this game.
But that spot was obviously wrong even in realtime you could tell. Then where they spotted it was Still a first down despite being a yard short of where the spot should have been. They just decided it was third down.
I threw my phone across the room last night on the "failed" 3rd down conversion
I honestly couldn’t believe they gave us that spot and I can only imagine how pissed off y’all were. Definitely one of the worst calls I’ve seen in recent memory.
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Something needs to be done
I’ve been wanting “officials” to be forced to do a Q and A after a game to explain themselves to the rest of the sports world why they made certain calls. If they are held accountable after every game in this way and have to defend their actions……I think every NFL team will get a more fairly called game.
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I heard more complaining about the referees last night then I ever have.
Of course Lions fans are pissed but what made me happy to hear was all the non-lions fans who were angry about it. Its not about being a Lions fan or a Saints fan its about not ruining the game.
Saints may be the favorite now but for how long? I dont want the Lions to be the favorite I dont want any favorites.
Agreed
I read the yahoo article on it this morning and was surprised to see people who don’t even follow football pissed off about it. The rules have become bad enough as they are but throw in the fact that there no consistency with the calls each week and it has become a joke. I used to consider myself pretty knowledgable about the “rules” but I have no clue anymore…
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I believe you, you guys are solid fans and nobody wants to win that way
But we couldnt tackle and we couldnt get you off the field and in the end, as much as it hurts, the team that executed won. Congrats and I hope you guys take it all the way
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said in your OT earlier this week....
The Saints and the Lions have a similiar history in regards to all the heartbreak. I really didn’t want to have to play you unless it was in the NFC championship. I can’t help but root for y’all because I feel like we have been through a lot of the same things. Hell even Jared Allen threw us in the same boat, lol.
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
You must be happy about the Birds laying another playoff egg...
Somethings gonna change down there, they arent going to be happy about this
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah....if there is one team that I don't want to succed it is them
Lots of bad blood on and off the field between players and fans. Hoping the giants can knock off Green Bay next week. Don’t really like the idea of traveling to Lambeau
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Gonna get that last Sunday night game, too
Good thing is if you can beat the Pack at Lambeau at night in the playoffs, everything is easy after that ;)
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm rooting for the Giants for draft positioning.
A Giants win moves us up one spot. I don’t have hate or love for either team so I figure why not?
I wish Atlanta would have just handed us the #5 if they wanted to lose in the 1st round so badly.
Another turnover on downs?
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
What position are y'all wanting to go after in the first round?
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
bpa as long as it is not a qb
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on Jan 8, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
we could then trade CWill
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on Jan 8, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
We find out exactly where Mi**en infected Mayhew. He keeps drafting DTs whether we need them or not.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
I lol'd so hard
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
one could seriously argue that we still desperately need D line help.
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First round picks should be used on positions where no argument is required.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Not always
Mayhew and Coach have said they will fill needs in Free agency and augment our strengths in the draft.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
DE help I agree DT not so much
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Or do something else with the ones we have...new scheme probably means a new DC
You think Jims cooling on Gun any? Or a better question would be if Marty is cooling on Gun…
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Gunny is not the only D coach on the team
Just saying.
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LOL, well no, he isnt is he...but he is lower on the food chain...
just saying
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
yup and we all know how shit rolls
just saying
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Yes.
Even though I think the scheme is the problem one could make that argument. Even so, the DE position seems to be the bigger issue.
The scheme seemed to work fine the first 5 games
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on Jan 8, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
thus proving the point
the change worked until other teams learned what we were doing. We failed desperately, to upgrade and alter our defensive plan, we were extremely predictable and teams too advantage of that.
OVER and OVER with the culmination of last night. 620 offensive yards for one team who never had to punt once. Let me say that again. The Saints never punted all game.
That is a square kick in the nutz in a season of defensive stomach punches.
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Oh I dunno, lotta smoke but not much fire with the bunch we got.
Nick hasnt had enough of a chance but our DTs got pasted all season long. The Saints were killing us with that same wham trap the 9ers beat us up with 3 months ago
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't that more a fault of that damn Wide 9 BS the defense tries to use?
I mean, is what’s wrong with a conventional 4-3 and blitzing guys? From what I’ve read, running a wide 9 basically tells your opponent you’re not blitzing. Seems stupid.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Oh I wholeheartedly agree
Im merely pondering what to do with the guys who dont fit the damn thing.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Probably CB, safety or OL
We have some age on the O-Line. Backus and Raiola are getting into their 30s, but since they were around for the dark ages of Lions football, they’ve gotta feel damn near 50.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
I'd trade up and try to get CB Morris Cllaiborne out of LSU
I’ve seen him play plenty at Tiger Stadium and he is beast
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by AcquiredPanic on Jan 8, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone seen video of schwartz's postgame locker room speech
i have been looking for it but there doesnt seem to be any video of it anywhere. i am interested in how he sent them off and the tone that was set for next year.
From the Lions site, Matts up first
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops misread....thought you meant presser...fail
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah thats about all i can find too. i really want to hear the speech he gave the team.
hopefully it was equal parts “gongrats on a godd season”/ “you guys didnt capatalize and thats why feel the way you do right now.”
i know and NFL Network shows almost everyones locker room speech after a game. even when they lose
maybe when they show the re-play?
Wow what a joke. Falcons you suck.
We are bitching about our team having too much talent to lose badly look at the Falcons. Wow.
Why is the clock running
to close out the 3rd quarter when the player ran out of bounds to end the previous play?
Is there some provision that both coaches can allow the clock to expire? I wondered the same thing after the kneel-down by the Saints with 36 seconds left in the game last night. By rule, should that not have turned the ball back to the Lions (however inconsequential it may have been)?
short answer...yes
By rule, should that not have turned the ball back to the Lions (however inconsequential it may have been)?
We got hosed to the bitter end….
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
My girlfriend just said she saw the Jim Schwartz presser on Detroit lions.com earlier today.
She said it was chopped up really bad but not they seem to have pulled it completely.
This game is getting out of hand.
No way the Falcons can come back now with how badly their offense is playing.
I think I'd rather be shutout than only have the safety on the board.
The 2 looks pathetic.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Giants apparently feel that the game is not in hand 24-2 with 3:48 left.
Still airing it out.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
I was pissed last night when brees sailed one over the middle with two minutes left. Glad they reigned it in and took a knee rest of the game
Matt millen:He puts the oron in moron and the upid in dumb.
by awayfromthepride on Jan 8, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Same was mad then thought they showed real class
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Who here would take Matt Ryan over Matthew Stafford?
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Nope lol
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
He can't perform in the playoffs so far
Averages under 200 yards passing per game in the playoffs with more INT’s than TD’s
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
I'd take Ryan and maybe 3 #1s at least for Stafford.
It would have to be fleecing of Roy Williams and Julio Jones proportions.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
+1
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
That said
I’m just a fan and you know Stafford’s injury would knock out one of those #1 picks and the fact Ryan has seen the Pro Bowl and led the Falcons to the #1 NFC seed would knock out another, so whatever.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
I would take Matt Ryan and the 1st overall pick this year for Stafford.
The chance to take Andrew Luck could be traded for at least two, probably three #1s and that would be worth it in my opinion.
If you did that you would trade luck?
Hell no, keep luck. Trade Ryan to some stupid team for a 1st and a second or two and love life.
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that looked like a facemask sack
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Giants are my team the rest of the way.
I like teams that smash the ball down the other teams spines. That is my kind of football. I am rooting for them all the way.
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That Green Bay loss hurts more after seeing Atlanta piss this one away.
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