Grading the Secondary
by Bret Crino on Jan 8, 2012 1:36 PM EST
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PrintThe loss to New Orleans in the PLAYOFFS really put the secondary of the Detroit Lions on the defensive. If they were as defensive on the field as they were on twitter, we would have had a chance in that game. I would like to take the time to give my opinion of our DB's based on the year not just Saturday night. I know my opinions will be challenged and that is fine, but I call it as I see it, not as talk radio or SportCenter sees it. I may be right and I may be wrong, but I put my NAME behind what I say.
I will start at the top and work my way down.
Eric Wright and Chris Houston.
Clearly our starting corners are Detroit's best DB's. Wright and Houston are good all around corners. Both can cover, both can play the man or the ball. Both can tackle. Wright probably has the edge in tackling where Houston probably has the edge in coverage even though Wright had less thrown his way, indicating the opponents respect him. But Houston took that step this year and made QB's pay for throwing his way. He learned to turn his head, locate the ball and make a play. I give them both B+
Aaron Berry and Alphonso Smith.
These two grade out the same to me but are completely different ballers. Aaron Berry gets the playing time for two reasons. The first is his consistency, he doesn't give up the big play. He is where he should be and is a pretty good tackler. The problem I have with him is his ball skills. He is at the point Chris Houston was last year. He is in the pocket of the WR he is covering but doesn't make the play on the ball. Some of this is confidence. It takes some stones to turn your head away from a WR, who has great speed, to locate the ball. I think Schwartz believes he can take that next step and that is why he comes in at nickel and is gaining valuable playing time. Berry has a pretty good upside . The second reason is Alphonso Smith was injured at the beginning of the season. The year before Smith got the playing time because Berry was injured.
Smith is the opposite of Berry in his development. He may have an even bigger upside than Berry, but his consistency is dangerous at this point. Dangerous for both teams. He is capable on any given play to take it to the house with a pick six or allow his opponent to break a big one. This inconsistency is going to hurt his playing time and slow his development. But Smith has the ca hones to go for the ball and has the athletic ability to cover almost anyone. His height may be a issue with a few receivers but he has shown he can play a big guy. What kills him is his peeking in the backfield and jumping routes on double moves and getting fried. If he is going to take the next step he will need to "know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em".
These two grade out at a B- in my opinion.
Amari Spievey is a guy who was drafted as a corner and converted to safety. If I remember correctly, he didn't even play corner until late in his career and has now played the position of safety for about two years total. That is remarkable that he can start for NFL team in a position he has never played. With that being said he has a way to go. Safety is such an important position, many times you are the last line of defense and a mistake can be fatal. He is pretty good considering, he is a very good tackler. I think where he can grow is still is overall understanding of the defenses and his responsibility within it. I think Spievey has the potential to be a B+ type of safety. His lack of speed keeps his potential below an A. He needs time and right now is a solid C.
Chris Harris has been with us a very short time and has filled in at safety. He and Spievey looked as good as any safety we have against San Diego. But Harris took a large step back against Green Bay and looked as bad as any safety we have. Really too limited to grade but if I had to grade him I would say C-.
John Wendling is a guy that is capable of playing safety in a pinch but we are not trying to get him more field time. He is a special teamer first. He was not very impressive at the beginning of the year at special teams but as the year went along he, Carey and Silva became the names you heard after kick and punt coverage. Wendling has good speed and size and is decent tackler. Wendling can take some bad angles which hurt him but his special teams play helps him. I give him a C-
Louis Delmas is under achieving. His rookie year he was awesome. He was the Lions only play maker on defense. Then there are his last two years. I wonder if Delmas looked good during our 2-14 season because there was absolutely no talent around him, and as the talent has increased he has looked less impressive. I was highly criticized for being enamored with Ricardo Silva in preseason but listen to this: Silva had as many interceptions in about 5 quarters of football as Delmas has had in three full seasons AND preseasons. To be fair to Delmas he missed a few games because of injury. But three years as a starter should yield a bit more than Delmas has provided. Speivey has double the passes defended and more than double the interceptions as Delmas in his first two years as a Safety compared to three full years of Delmas. Chris Harris has been a Lion for how long now? Six weeks? He has more interceptions than Delmas' last two years. This isn't a coincidence or luck. Delmas just isn't that good. His problem, as I can see it, is he takes bad angles. That is a tough problem to fix. In the NFL, bad angles means you are late. It means you will have no impact on the play, run or pass, and that is exactly his contribution in the game of play. He is a good tackler when he gets the angle but that is about 50/50. He consistently shows up late after the play helping the other safety up after they make the play. He is considered the SOUL of the defense. I accept that if they mean hard to define and invisible. If he had potential I would give him a C- but he should be peaking right about now so he gets a D+ from me.
As you can see Delmas gets the worst grade of ALL Detroit DB's. You all think I am crazy, I know. But it is what it is. He has been on our defense longer than anyone else and has less to show for it. He may be the best dancer and have the strongest personality but he doesn't get it done.
Brandon McDonald is a hard guy to grade as well. It is clear he thinks he is an A, but obviously the coaching staff doesn't. He looked VERY good in preseason and then never got playing time. I think some of it may be attitude related but I am not sure. Then he was cut to make room and then resigned. Don Carey hasn't played enough to grade, Ricardo Silva hasn't had enough playing time to grade but I love his potential. I have to give them all an Incomplete.
There are guys on IR that i didn't mention.
I know this article will rub some of you the wrong way and it is NOT intended to do so. Please feel free to give me your comments.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pride of Detroit or its writers. FanPosts are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable fans.
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So...you all want the worst defender back?
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You do you know he was a pro bowl alternate right?
That’s not an accident. He was voted the first alternate by fans (who don’t know who he is) his peers, and coaches (who say his is a part of the next wave of really good safeties). Teams don’t throw at him very often hence the low INT numbers. Bob Sanders didn’t have huge INT numbers but was a force on the field. At pro football focus (outsiders?) he was rated as the 10th best coverage safety. Chris Harris was 78th by the way.
Also before he and Houston got hurt our D had only given up 2!!!! pass plays of 40 yards or more. And this was his first game back and he still didn’t get thrown on often. That blown coverage wasn’t really on him because there were two receivers and whoever he covered the other would have been open that’s what happens in the cover 2.
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Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
And you feel the Pro Bowl voting is valid? I wish I did.
He is NO Bob Sanders!!!! (except for injuries) He is awful in coverage, always late. I’d cancel your subscription to that site. We didn’t give up long TD’s to Tebow, Cassell, Mcnabb, Freeman and Alex Smith. They all had about 5 +40 td passes all season each. Not a great stat. Chris Harris probably should be 78th after packers game.
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Man, I don't even pay attention to you when it comes to Delmas.....lol
Now if you want to bitch about Levy, I’m all in…lol
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 5:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ok again its not just the two plays
But you don’t get graded that high just because your playing against bad QB’s you have to actually play good coverage. How many times have you seen him actually thrown at? Not many teams know what he can do.
As for the pro bowl. No its voting is not valid (fan wise anyway) BUT if his peers and coaches around the league say he is the fourth best safety in the conference I’m more inclined to listen.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
I actually take some of that back,
Delmas is pretty good when he is put in man coverage on a receiver. Probably better than average for safeties. It’s the zone and shell coverage I think he fails. And even the player votes are skewed, in my opinion.
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We've talked about that before...IMO
It’s the distances he’s asked to cover due to his making plays that on a team with above average attacking LB’ers they would make.
Delmas is the only one of the back 7 that attack the ball with a vengence.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 5:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What distances is he covering? He has the least amount of tackles among all Lion's starting DB's.
Who is he covering for? The rest of the DB’s have stats that are in accordance of typical NFL DB’s. HE doesn’t.
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Maybe because he was out 5 games?
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 7:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
he averaged under 5 tackles a game man
I am not saying he is horrible or even our worst DB but he has not performed up to his own standard this year.
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Yep. Like I say I hope he will prove me wrong but he's running out of time.
Especially now that Detroit is a REAL NFL team now. Dead weight will be replaced.
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Except your not the coaches and they say that they love him
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
ummm
What else would they say. Coming from the KGB of information, would you really expect anything else?
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Iv'e seen many of "loved players" get dumped in the trash heap.
Don’t let “coach talk” fool you.
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this is not coach talk in Detroit anymore
It is “I am smarter than you” talk now, I expect you to swallow my BS and ask for seconds.
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5 per game for a safety is pretty good.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 9:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Huh?
No man, it really is not.
Not on a team that has as porous as we are on run defense.
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About 24 or 25 safeties have mor than 5 per game average and guess what?
Most have multiple INT’s mutiple FF’s and double digit Passes defended. Pootie Tang doesn’t have any picks or FF’s and 5 passes defended.
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That's also because they are thrown at so much
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Ummm
have you been watching our D play?
To put not too fine a point on it. Have you been watching our D not play?
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I have and they play better with Delmas in there point blank
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
really
626 yards. No punts and a 45-28 ass whooping says otherwise.
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yea against Brees in our first playoff game in his first game back
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
so
You said we were better with him in there.
Clearly we were not better. We did better the last time we faced them.
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They also had a lot more drops on third down in that game
And actually attempted a punt.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
you point?
We were clearly better that last game.
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Or they were worse its a two way street
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
i picked houston
im not really a fan of delmas,lol hes like the ernie sims of safety’s to me at times,he always seem as hes in the wrong place,always tryin to land the big hit instead of tackling and takes bad angles
That's a good analogy.
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Grade....
F across the board. Atrocious is not a grade so I will go with F.
Every damn one of them.
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Ouch LOL
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Yeah
Thier total lack of coverage skills is only slightly overshadowed by a propensity to completely whiff on open field tackles
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by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 8, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
This is what we get when our secondary is loaded
almost entirely with castoffs from other teams. We have spent nearly zero resources on our secondary. How this eventual puke of performance surprised me, I just don’t know. I guess I was in denial.
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Can always count on you for a STRONG opinion.
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I try to be consistent.
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Maybe if drives weren't kept alive by shitty missed tackles.
By our illustrious Linebacking core to extend drives, the secondary wouldn’t of got picked apart by a QB that knows what he’s doing.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 4:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The LB are over loaded with responsibilities in this system
They have to make up far too much from a D line that is asked themselves to do far too much on their own.
Ultimately, the secondary suffers from this scheme.
IMHO, the scheme is passive, conservative and A FLAT OUT JOKE. Second half of the season it was exposed by top half of the league teams as nothing more than a defense built to beat average or worse teams. I personally would prefer to aim higher than that.
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Yeah, makes sense...
Especially regarding the passivity. It become more pronounced as the season went along.
He blitzed 10% percent yesterday.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 5:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
10%
I actually think it was less than that.
Scheme is biggest problem. 80% of defensive coordinators would love our team. Blitzers should be able to come clean through the line since our defensive tackles take up two blockers. Thus giving our weak secondary less time to actually covering players. I hate fat ass Rex Ryan, but could you image how he would run this defense?
How about Wade Phillips?
I would love to have that man as our D coord.
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I think the secondary is still barely serviceable.
We’ve seen it break down in these last few weeks. Maybe they’ve been dropping 7 so often to try and compensate for that. It worked for a lot of the season.
I hope they can redesign the scheme this offseason and come back with something better next year. And perhaps CB is more of a need than OL after all. It’s hard to deal with the fact that we have zero running game though.
You don't blitz when you get burned doing it.
The Lions have been having trouble getting home with their blitzes. The linebackers/safeties are not quick enough to get there before the QB dumps off the ball past them. So far this season, all the blitz has meant is that we have one less guy back to make a tackle.
You don’t take a risk by blitzing if you aren’t good at doing it.
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I do not see the blitzing player as the problem
I see it as a problem with our secondary.
If a blitz is going to hit home, the secondary has to hold coverage close enough to keep the ball in the QBs hands.
How many times have we seen a moronic blitz this year where our secondary was 5+ yards off their guy? Just flat out moronic.
We need secondary guys that can press cover for 3-4 seconds so the blitz can get home.
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It goes from the front to the back.
don’t even think about giving the D-line and especially the LB’ers a pass and hammer the back 4.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 4:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Totally agree, I am just grading not blaming
the secondary. It starts up front and they haven’t been getting it done for basically the last half of the season. And that leads to poor LB play. I’m not blaming it all on D-line either. Tulloch missed more tackles last night than I have seen all season. He is usually money.
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That wasn't to anyone inparticular.
I downloaded the new app and thought it would go at the bottom.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 5:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i ran into the same prob from droid app.
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Yeah...it's the Droid app.
I’m getting it figured out.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 5:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Just so we are clear here Del
I am giving the entire Defense a big fat F.
There is a reason we did not beat a single team with a winning record all year.
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Gotcha.
Changes are needed for sure, I just don’t think a wholesale changeover is needed but a rethinking of scheme is needed.
Too much is expected of that front 4 and when they don’t get home, the back 4 are exposed.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 5:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
In a calm and not a knee jerk reaction.
Serious thought should be given to replace Gunther.
The man cares deeply and I truly like him, so maybe he’ll adapt.
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by delusional on Jan 8, 2012 5:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I've been thinking last 6 -8 games.
I mean who else would start Delmas, LOL Just kidding. I have been weary of Gunther for a while. The first red flag was the tampering charge. It WAS bullshit but he is a pro coach with head coach experience! Has he lost his mind? He has given other teams bulletin board material. Both situations make me question his judgement. The only problem is, can we get a better one?
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We were tied for the 7th best record in the league.
How can you give the whole defense an “F”??
That’s not “C” which would be “Average” (around 16th in the league)
That’s not “D” which would be “Below Average” (Around 20th to 25th in the league)
You say “F” which means absolute bottom of the barrel, you can not get a worse grade. In other words, you don’t think our defense is that much better than it was in 2008?
So, you don’t think they can be ANY worse? You think the Lions have arguably the worst defense in the league??
Sorry, Josh. I’m not going down that far. We won 10 games. I don’t think there’s any question we need improvement but an “F” should be essentially a DEMAND for a complete overhaul from top to bottom. A new DC at the very least.
If our defense was really worthy of an “F”
-Tebow should’ve torched us. (Though I admit I’m not privy to any crossroad deals made between Suh and the Devil which might’ve got us this win anyways)
-The Chargers should’ve killed us.
-There would’ve been NO WAY to come back from ANY deficit even with Stafford playing like a rockstar ‘cause the opposing offense would’ve just matched our points.
I don’t buy it.
Here’s mine:
Defense: C-
Offense: B+
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by UndaDawg on Jan 9, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We won 10 games because of our offense
Over the last 8 games of the season and our one playoff game. Our defense game up more points per game than any team in the entire league at just under 32 points a game.
So for over half the season, we had the worst scoring defense in the league. So yeah. a big fat F from me.
BTW, we regressed from last season in scoring allowed.
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Over the last 9 games, or the whole season?
Keep in mind 4 of those 9 games were against the Saints and the Packers. The number 1 and 3 offense in the league respectively (one of which is a division rival). and we won 4 of the 5 other games. Now you can say that those wins were because of the offense and I’d say you’re right primarily but you’re forgetting the defense has to at least not screw it up. I think that’s worth something.
Statistically GB had the worst overall defense in the league and they’re sitting at 15-1. Does the GB defense deserve an “F” even though their team almost went undefeated? I would say not. They did enough to win. That’s the bottom line isn’t it?
We would’ve lost that game to Oakland if our defense was not able to first hold them to a field goal halfway through the 4th quarter, and then get the ball back after Titus’ TD so CJ could score the game winner. In fact, the offense even had a fumble for a TD in the 4th quarter which didn’t help our defense in any way. Also, the game against SD might’ve been the best game I’ve seen these Lions play on BOTH sides of the ball.
Plus, I’m not sure where to find the stats, but I know our defense’s 4th down efficiency was great. (Saints game not included, lol) Which should be worth something, even if you’re going to ignore the points those plays saved.
I just can’t give an “F” to part of a 10-6 team. Sure the offense put up big points, but the defense had to make sure they didn’t blow it. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but I think the 2nd Packers game was the ONLY time all year the Lions lost a game after being up to start the 4th quarter. An “F” level defense would blow WAY more leads. (I admit this might be a little skewed in that we were behind to start many 4th quarters, but accepting that, I think the point is still valid) And despite getting a lot of help during “Romo Time”, the defense won the Dallas game for us IMO.
All that said, I would actually give our D an “F” for the last 2 games. And I do agree, our defense seemed stronger last year. I’m not advocating for no changes. I think we do need to upgrade. I’m just not ready to throw the whole defense under the bus quite yet.
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So?
Keep in mind 4 of those 9 games were against the Saints and the Packers. The number 1 and 3 offense in the league respectively (one of which is a division rival).
We measure yourself against the best. If not, what they hell are we trying to do out there?
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I'm arguing your "F"
- not whether or not we are better than the best. A grade like that is in relation to the WHOLE league. This is about whether a team may be considered “average” (a grade of “C”), better, or worse.
I would argue a team that is worse than the Saints and GB can still be considered above average or a “B” in relation to the rest of the league.
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Unless you're an all or nothing type of guy...
…where if you’re not 1st then you’re last. In which case there are only two grades: “A” and “F”
In that case I suppose the only way you’d grade the Lions as anything but an “F” would be if (when) they win a Superbowl. And if the Superbowl is the only way to get anything but an F, then a regular season that gets us into the playoffs should be considered an “A” since a chance at the superbowl really would be the whole point of the regular season anyway in that context. It is the post-season you should grade as an “F”
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I graded it as an F
because the average for the season is not the end. How you perform when the games mean the most is the end and for the second half of the season and our one playoff game. We were atrocious. We allowed just under 32 points a game for those 9 games.
For reference, The bucks allowed just under 31 points a game for the entire season and they were dead last in points allowed for the entire league. So yeah, our defense was a big fat F.
Was our competition stronger in the second half? yes.
That changes nothing, our defense folded like a cheap napkin against real competition.
I just can’t get myself to go higher than an F.
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Okay. I can respect that.
You are right,
the games at the end of the season should in fact be weighted more heavily as they are in essence, more important (though it’d be tough to prove that mathematically). However, since they directly affect seeding and playoffs, our wins against Minny and Chicago should also be weighted more.
I guess I’m just an easier grader, lol. I feel as though an “F” is complete and utter failure. In other words I don’t think it is possible to win a game with an “F” level defense.
I guess you’re more of the mindset that it is still possible to win as long as the offense does well enough to balance the “F” grade to something higher.
(lol)
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I guess you’re more of the mindset that it is still possible to win as long as the offense does well enough to balance the "F" grade to something higher.
Yes, Our offense won 4 of the 9 games where we averaged allowing 32 points a game.
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and yes
I can agree to disagree.
We are both right and both wrong depending on the point of view.
I bet more people agree with you than me.
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I can see points that you are both right
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2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
There was also much more offense this year than any other to be fair.
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I am not sure about total scoring the the league from year to year.
Hmmm….
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Yea I think we all forgot about that.
Just because we gave up 1 point more per game this year. It might not be too bad considering the amount of points that were scored this year. AND the number of high octane offenses that we played this year.
I think people forget that even the best defenses play against some bad offenses. The 2000 ravens didn’t play a single all pro caliber QB all season and played guys like Akili Smith. Yet they are known as one of the all time greats.
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Grading the secondary is futile!
It’s about the whole defensive corps. We have used the wide 9 all year and our LB’s couldn’t fill the gaps, they were easily pushed aside by the guards (Levy in particular). How do you play DB when the QB has all the time in the world and the LB crew can’t stop the run?
This year’s defense was a team effort, if one fails, they all fail. The pieces are in place and hopefully they get better next year. So many new faces, I can live with their shortcomings as they will learn to play together as a unit.
If we’re to grade them F, the whole defense deserves the same mark. My point of view is that our D is a work in progress, let’s just improve.
I hate to say it, but this defense is historically bad
The last four games (including last night’s) we’ve allowed almost 400 passing yards per game. The only reason we won any games (besides the Charges, when the pass defense was last decent) was stellar play from the offense.
It’s hard to say how much blame the DBs deserve because of a lack of expected production from the defensive line.
But it’s safe to say something has to happen for us to compete defensively. Either that, or just go all in on offense like the Packers.
We have our man. It's Stafford. It's Suh. It's Calvin. It's Delmas. What we need is Man Number Two to stand up.
by halfbackattack33 on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions
last i checked...
the packers have a good defense and just had a bad year. they do have the offense but don’t let this year fool you. their defense is good.
To the article, Delmas is playing out of position to me. he reminds me of the strong safety with the run support and tackling (when he’s tackling and not just hitting). I’ve never seen him even attempt to make a pick. speivey isn’t going to get the job done. Eric wright is suspect but great for depth. would love to see a top flight corner next year either through the draft of FA/trade. I would like to keep all our secondary just get starters in front of them. Delmas is a starter in this league, he’s just asked to do things that just aren’t in his arsenal. i’d love to get a ball hawk back there in the safety position along with a top flight corner and then see where this defense is.
not really blaming, just grading.
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Very true about wide nine.
I would like to see results not using wide nine.
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by Bret Crino on Jan 8, 2012 3:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Can't say an "F"
we did manage a 10-6 record with a playoff game. Just needs improving and give the rooks time to get up to NFL speed. They always have problems with game speed at this level.
we did not beat a single team all year that finished with a winning record.
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That is very true, but we did beat teams we were "supposed to".
That is something we couldn’t say before. Remember NO scored 41 pts per game at home. They average 38 against us with help from shitty calls and going for it on fourth down 3 times. I’m with you, we need to up our D, but it could be worse.
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No but we beat five 8-8 teams.
All of whom would therefore have had winning records had we failed to beat them.
That's a great point.
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if if
bottom line, we did not beat a winning team all season.
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not true
we beat teams that had winning records when we played them.
Dallas was 2-1 and Oakland was 7-6
:)
lol
Seasonal records….
nicely done. 2 of our 10 wins came against teams that had winning records at the time we played them. None of them came against teams that ended the season with a winning record.
I feel so much better now…….
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LOL, I got more
San Diego, Denver, and Chicago also had winning records at some point during the year. Granted only Chicago got there after we beat them, but still.
lol
I am not feeling better……
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lol
and I took a smile away too.
Thanks man.
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I disagree completely about Delmas.
Our defense went way downhill after he got hurt. He was back yesterday but probably not at full strength. Also, Delmas looked good during our 0-16 season because he was still playing at Western Michigan University that year. He wasn’t drafted until 2009.
I think the biggest problem with our secondary is lack of depth. When everyone was healthy prior to the Thanksgiving game they did an adequate job. It seems obvious that the talent dropoff from the first string is huge. We ought to spend a couple draft picks to address this, maybe 3rd&4th round unless someone incredible drops to us during the 1st and 2nd rd.
We didn't play teams of playoff caliber at the beginning of the season.
And during that time Delmas was invisible, he may has well have been in Kalamazoo. My grandmother tied him in interceptions over two years she has 3 less passes defended. Your grandmother did just as well. Seriously, when you can REALISTICALLY compare your grandmothers NFL stats to a player, It is time to take a closer look.
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...sorry 2-10 season.
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Gotcha.
I still think Delmas has great value. He’s been a sure tackler and that was something that was seriously lacking the last few weeks when he was out.
If you count the 1st GB game as half of a game bc he only played about half, he led our DBs in tackles/game. His tackling is something that I’ve always appreciated about his play, and my Grandma definitely couldn’t do that. ;)
Man, your G-ma is weak. LOL
I think his tackling has dropped of considerably. 2009-65 solo, 2010-62 solo, 2011-36 solo tackles. 54 solo tackles per year. Spievey as a rookie and new at his position had 37 solo and last year had 62 solo. Speivey is trending up and Delmas has trended down with tackles. When you add in passes defended and int’s it’s hard to take Delmas seriously.
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He did miss 5 games this year.
Unless you want to downgrade him for durability (which I don’t think is very fair in this case) you have to account for that.
Well if we talk about KSmith or Best we sure do!
It’s only fair to question his durability. I hope he proves me wrong…but I have said that for a year and a half now. When do get to quit saying that?
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if he misses 5 games again next season i think it's fair.
almost everyone gets injured at some point though
His groin was the excuse before...when does he run out of excuses.
NFL isn’t an excuse league, why does he get them? I’ll tell you why. Because as a rookie, we looked at him as our only hope. Announcers had no one else to talk about on D but him. But that’s in the Past and we are still holding on to it. You stack him against other starting safeties in the league and you will see he’s pretty bad. Again it’s not just a coincident that his stats are well below average. If we want to fix our D, it needs to start there!
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I think it is laughable that Delmas is getting more votes than Wright.
I can accept arguments over some of the other players but Wright? Wright is our starting corner who also moves to slot in nickel coverage. Wright is VERY valuable to this team.
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Sure
Just not moreso that Delmas
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Stats
if they are all you look at, it is easy to mistake our best db for our worst db. Every coach and team member rave about Delmas’ play. It’s because he leads the team in touchdowns prevented after someone else blew their fucking assignment. He’s too busy covering the whole field to put up any other stats. 10 tackles last night that nobody else was going to make, that’s for sure.
Thanks you
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Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
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We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
That is the WORST excuse I have heard yet for Delmas.
By the way, why do you need excuses? BECAUSE THE PRODUCTION ISN’T THERE!!!!!
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I don't need excuses
The burden of proof is on you my friend. You are the one claiming to know more about Delmas’ play than the coaches and players around him. What you are saying is the same is saying Suh sucks because he only had 4 sacks and no forced fumbles. Poll the other players in the league and see if they agree with you. How about the lack of interceptions for Namdi his last couple years in Oakland? He sucks to right? Spiviey gets thrown at more than Delmas. That’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. They don’t throw at him more because he is better.
Suh
I don’t think anyone around the league was impressed with Suh’s 2nd year. I will say it, he had a shitty year. I however will not blame him as a player totally, I put most of it on the 15 lbs he dropped for some reason in the offseason and our Wide9 crap which we changed to some some reason as well.
I put most of it on the 15 lbs he dropped for some reason in the offseason
he spent more time sucking up to the media and touring the world than preparing for the next season.
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lmao
maybe if you are a woman…..
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or a wrestler...
or a jockey…
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lol
or apparently Dom
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What you are saying is the same is saying Suh sucks because he only had 4 sacks and no forced fumbles.
Compared to last season, Suh did suck this season. The Saints were abusing him in the run game. He looked ridiculous out there. A boy among men and it has been happening all season.
And it is not even his fault. The scheme he is in tells him to sell out to the pass rush so completely, everyone knows his game plan before he has had his morning F’n breakfast. His play is so predictable he is actually abused because of it.
Damn man, this sucks. I hate talking about this stuff.
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His play is so predictable he is actually abused because of it.
Do people realize that? Do people realize we took an amazing talent like Suh and intentionally made him suck?
But yeah, our coaches are great. If that is the definition of great coaches…..
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Lol, they must be used to you.
I get all kinds of hate mail for doubting our coaching staff’s competence.
I think they are competent, look what they have done.
But for reasons unknown to us even the best coaches do things that defy logic. Money, Pressure from above, ego’s and sometimes they actually make mistakes. They have a lot on their plate. They are Human.
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You have no idea man
Some people around here think I am the Devil.
Our coaches are average at best and the more I think about it, the more my opinion does not change.
How do you take a force like Suh and make him so predictable that he is ineffective? It is so stupid it almost feels like it has to be intentional. Because, if it is accidental, WTF are we paying these guys for? uggg….
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There is another post condemning Gunther, did you write it?
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nope
I do not think this is Gunny’s plan. I do not remember a single D that gunny was involved in before he came to The D that was this passive.
On the other hand, I remember a Titan’s D that was almost exactly like this year after year condemning them to the younger step sister to Manning and the Colts.
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They also won their division the year before our coach left
Because their D was so dominant
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Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
I forgot, one season makes everything before it good....
titans point per game, NFL rank
2008, 14.6, 2nd
2007, 18.6, 8th
2006, 25, 31st
2005, 26.3, 29th
2004, 26.3, 29th
yeah. I am not buying it.
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That reads getting better and better until the team was blown up
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
That read
Shit, shit, shit, good, great.
I would prefer to have a top 10 D every year instead.
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Well you don't come in with a top ten D
You have to build it up over time. He took over there gathered his players like a dominant D tackle (Haynesworth) good backers and safety play. Then when he left they also lost Albert and their backer was old and left.
Our D has also gotten better each year and I expect them to do the same next year.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
If he built something that was lasting
it would have lasted past his time there. Instead it collapsed after he left.
Do the work yourself. He was there from 2001, he had 2 good years in all his time there.
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Thats because the players had matured by that time
And as I said the lost some of the players at the same time that he left.
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
It took him 8 seasons
to mature his players?
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There could have been so many things we don't remember about
Like injuries. You can’t just dismiss it as he didn’t know what he was doing.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
8 season as D coor
and it took him all of them to create a top 5 defense.
Not impressive.
Wade Phillips took the texans D from 29th to 4th in one season.
Schwartz is an average coach and his defensive system is average at best. his entire career save 2 seasons in while in tenn says I am right.
2 out of 11 seasons does not make a great, good or honestly even average coach.
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Rear view bullshit.
Where was all of this D concern 2 months a go?
Is your head as big as your Mama's ass?
I bitched about this last year
during the off season, the year before that.
Schwartz has this reputation of being a great defensive mind when the numbers do not back it up.
Hell man, titan fans had a website up for the longest time talking about how average his defense was. This is not new man. This is old hat.
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in fairness
Houston did bring in a couple nice pieces to shore up their secondary in the offseason. even without Wade, they’d have likely gone up…. also getting to face a Manning-less Colts and the Jaguars twice helped their numbers a bit.
No doubt
but it is still top 5
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One thing I forgot
Houston lost Mario Williams early in the season and still put up a top 5 defense.
That can not be overlooked.
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But like he said they didn't face Manning and did face the jags twice
While we faced the packers twice and the Saints so numbers can easily be misleading.
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
there are 31 teams
that are pissed at their coaches every year
by Lionsickness on Jan 8, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
really?
You think Bronco’s fans are going to be mad at their coach?
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Yes I have been over at their blog
They are always complaining about their Offensive Coordinator not opening up the playbook.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
well hell man
if you are counting that, than every damn team in the league would be unhappy.
Do you think the Broncos want to fine their head coach?
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No just like the Lions don't want to fire theirs
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
I cant blame them for accepting
mediocrity. It is better than atrocious.
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Well if it stay mediocre then I'll agree with you
But we need more time before we can establish that.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Our defense regressed this season
we allowed 23.1 points a game last season. We allowed 24.2 this season.
If that is not accepting mediocrity I am not sure what is.
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top that off with
we allowed almost 32 points a game over the last 9 games (playoff included). The worst team in the league allowed less than that for the entire season (bucs at 30.9).
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Indeed.
The defense after the bye has been extremely bad, so right now it is much worse than the season average would indicate.
If last year was a 9/10, the first half of this season was an 8/10, and the second half of this season was a 3/10.
Luckily, the offense has gotten much better, or else we would have been lucky to finish where we did last year.
More excuses, and if Nnamdi played here..
there would be more than a few critics and guess what? he would still be starting and the coaches would be sticking up for him. Suh gets doubled, Delmas doesn’t and if you average Suh’s performance over last two years as i did Delmas you would see he stats are still well above average.
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I have seen
three separate interviews this year after a db got a pick and the db said Delmas told him what route was coming and to go ahead and jump the route cuz if the db missed Delmas would make the tackle. Did you factor that into your incredibly thorough analysis of Delmas’ stats? Or are the db’s making excuses to give the credit of their int’s away?
by Lionsickness on Jan 8, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nnamdi
If he would have been here, he would have had to suffer playing zone just like the rest of our DBs.
...and we would've crucified him.
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Only some.
I am of the mindset that we have a great core of very skilled players, but they are stuck with bad coaching.
The first 3/4s of the year I hated Linehan, but then miraculously he opened up the playbook and we were running an offense utilizing our main talents. Most notibly Stafford. The forced running of the ball, just to say you ran the ball stopped.
Cunningham/Schwartz however refused to change the defense even though it culminated in a record day for a backup QB in a game we needed for playoff position. Then in our only playoff game in 12 yrs with a 626 yrd rout.
When you watch the game do actually see Delmas?
I don’t see him much. I look for him too. when i do see him it is getting to the play late. Sure he makes tackles here and there but in NO WAY is he a above average.
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So... Cortland Finnegan, anybody?
Dude’s contract is up in Tennessee. It makes all kinds of sense that he would want to follow Schwartz, KVB and Tulloch over to the young, upstart Lions, right?
I'd take him in a heartbeat.
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MLive Close A second look: Breaking down the Detroit Lions' breakdowns on New Orleans' big plays bit.ly/y2snzf
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Try this link...
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They copied and pasted
Holding a couple dozen times?
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Huh?
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I did not read the article
It was a joke. How the Saints abused the Lions secondary….. HOLDING
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Oh, that's true to a point. It
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it really was a weak attempt at a joke
about something that really pisses me off. Which explains why I delivered it so poorly.
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All I can say, about all this Delmas talk is...
I like him, and he is one of the best players in our secondary. There is no way in hell I would get rid of him. That being said, I voted that if I could keep one it would be Eric Wright. I think I would put Houston and Delmas tied for the 2nd ones I would keep. I don’t think I could pick between the two of them. After those three, I would keep Aaron Berry then Amari Spievey.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Tell me Smurfer.....
Do you think Berry played as bad yesterday as what’s been portrayed?
An Int would of been nice but I thought he played some tough man to man.
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Sorry Del late to respond
No I like Berry. Remember for all intents and purposes he is a rookie this year since he was injured in the first game of last year. I like him a lot actually. There is no way I would get rid of this guy, he is going to lock down the outside for years and years to come.
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No problem...I was just wondering if you see the same things in Berry that I do.......and we do.
Is your head as big as your Mama's ass?
Being the smartest kid on the short bus is great and all
but you are still riding the short bus.
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Ouch, Berry is stage two of development, if he can't play the ball by the end of next year
then we have a problem. He is on track to be decent and I don’t think Berry had a bad game but didn’t have a championship day and niether did wright for that matter. But I like Wright the most of all DB’s I think.
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bottom line man
all our secondary guys are scrubs cast off from other teams or mid to late picks.
We need to dedicate resources to the secondary if we want a real secondary.
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I disagree on our Dbs
I think in a more aggressive defense, what we have are more than capable players. We have some decent speed and fairly good tackling.
We are D that lets some stuff happen and wait for opportunity or a mistake, then capitalize.
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In other words
conservative, passive and sissy.
Sounds like solid football to me.
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Didn't our D lead the league in points scored?
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We were 23rd in the league allowing 24.2 point a game
Over the last 8 game and our one playoff game. We allowed almost 32 points a game!
Do you really think leading the league points off turnovers mean anything when we are giving up that much?
32 points a game is worse than the Bucks who were dead last in the league allowing 30.9.
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No, but leading the league in D points off of turnovers....
But it doesn’t quite jive with passive,pussy and conservative either.
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We are D that lets some stuff happen and wait for opportunity or a mistake, then capitalize.
how about chicken shit, conservative and passive?
We were ranked 23 in defense this season. That is unacceptable for the third year of a supposed defensive genius head coach.
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Third year yes but also had a lot of injuries
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Injuries are excuses for bad coaches without answers
Everyone has injuries.
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Or you could take it for what it is
Teams like the steelers have set a standard that everyone is held accountable for their play and that its next man up. However the backups are also just not as good as the starters hence them being backups.
Everyone has injuries sounds good in theory but not all injuries are created equal.
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Do they have a special playoff sport for
the team that took the most injuries?
Do they give special draft picks to the team with the most injuries?
Is there a most injured Super bowl?
Teams like the steelers have set a standard that everyone is held accountable for their play and that its next man up. However the backups are also just not as good as the starters hence them being backups.
Everyone has injuries sounds good in theory but not all injuries are created equal.
I agree man. I really do. But no one outside of Detroit cares. I guarantee it. Just like we do not care if we beat a team that is injured. It is part of NFL life.
Good/great coaches find a way to make things work even when their team is injured.
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No they don't
Sometimes reality just sucks. Some teams just come into the playoffs with fewer injuries to key personnel. The Chicago Bears rode good health to the NFC championship game last season.
You can dismiss injuries like they don’t matter, but they do. The Lions secondary was not just beat up, they had guys playing that should not have been on the field, like Eric Wright. His groin injury prevented him from being effective for the entire second half of the season. He played because the Lions didn’t even have enough bodies to field a secondary.
Look, when you have to play John Wendling at safety and you are picking up cornerbacks off the free agent market like you are buying candy, then you have serious injury problems. You can choose to ignore it because it suits your argument but that is just not realistic.
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Coaches have to do with what they have.
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Sure, and that means they lose
Coaches do not play the game and there is only os much you can do with scheme. At some point your talent has to stack up. The Lions defense is just not deep enough yet. It was fragile because the backups were not able to step in and play at an acceptable level. When the starters were healthy we were a top ten defense. Once the starters got hurt we dropped like a rock. The coaching didn’t change and neither did the scheme. Only the players changed. So it seems to me that our problem is that we need better players on the bench.
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and I would counter that we need better coaches
Our scheme was the same the entire year on defense. Four man rush, sit back and pray the other team made a mistake. Hope to high hell we could get some pressure from the front four.
That kind of scheme is great playing against also ran teams. Notice our record against non-winning teams this year. It becomes a complete joke against teams with notable QBs who can take advantage of time in the pocket, who can see that blitz coming one in 10 times and burn it.
Teams adjusted as the season went on and our defense didn’t. That tells me it is about coaching.
You do realize, we took a unique talent like Suh and made him statistically invisible this year right? Instead of accenting our best players with our scheme, we nullified on of our best players with our scheme.
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we nullified on of our best players with our scheme.
we nullified one of…..
I am sure you knew what I meant.
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Didn't Suh play in this same scheme last year?
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Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
No
We did not play wide 9 last year.
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I'm pretty sure we did
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
I am almost 100% positive we didn't
We may have split out one DE now and then but it was never a true wide 9. Not even close for that matter.
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Thank you
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Zone almost completely removes your athletic ability from plays.
Especially so in the new passing rules skewed NFL.
My main problem with wright is that he can't catch
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Really?
Houston had five picks and Wright had four. That kind of difference is not significant. I think your impression is just plain flawed.
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All INT's are not the same.
Houston was making amazing plays to catch the ball Wright was not. The Dallas pick was one handed a couple were over the shoulder. Wrights hit him in the hands. And I didn’t see him make a difficult one all year.
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Our assesments are the same except for Delmas.
Doesn’t that scare you at all?
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As far as I am concerned.
The only one who I would dislike losing is Houston, he is a great SECOND cornerback. The rest of em, eh. Wendling for special teams play. Delmas for leadership. But honestly you can get rid of all of them for all I care.
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Our biggest need is at safety
Amari S has been a tremendous problem in the secondary all year. He overruns his run fits often and he misreads a lot of plays letting his man get over the top on him. I really hope the lions get an upgrade here. For the most part all of the big pass plays last night involved him. Amari is a serious liability.
Additionally, I’d be very happy if Alphonso Smith never wore a Lions uniform again.
by Goldmember2 on Jan 8, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sorry about missing most of this discussion.
I disagree with your ratings of the CBs.
Bs for both Chris Houston and Aaron Berry. Berry has some good upside and was by far the most effective pass defender Saturday. Houston is solid and seems to be improving his game. His ball skills were very much better in 2011 than 2010.
D+s for Eric Wright and Alphonso Smith. Both of these guys are very inconsistent. I would keep Wright over Alphonso because of his better tackling skills and he seems much more aggressive against the run. I just don’t know what to make of Alphonso. There are certain QBs and WRs who he seems to excel against, but the top notch guys absolutely shred him.
As for the Safeties…….sheesh.
D for Delmas. I just don’t know about this guy. During his first season I thought he could develop to be a very good Safety in the NFL. After 2010 and 2011, I really don’t know what to think. Besides we need to get a better DB coach, maybe a personal one for Louis.
D+ for Amari. I actually thought he played better in 2010 when he did not know what he was doing. Appeared to have regressed this year, especially in his tackling and positioning.
D- for Chris Harris. Please, make him go away. Send him back to Chicago.
This is the area of the defence that needs the most improvement IMO. Other teams have done it with guys who are not high draft picks or expensive FAs. Come on Mayhew, make this your number one priority this offseason. Perhaps a better DB coach would help too?
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Hard to be consistent when you are playing with a bad groin.
You can ding Eric Wright all you want, but he was lights out before he hurt his groin. If the Lions had better depth at cornerback they would have been able to rest Wright and let him heal. Instead, he was pressed into playing hurt. I don’t know if you have ever pulled a groin before, but trust me when I say it is a miracle Wright could play at all.
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I will give him credit for playing hurt, but so did Houston.
Wright dropped more than a few potential INTs this year, and I really did not see the coverage skills that you mention here and below. Like I said, he is the best Lions CB against the run and I could definitely see him returning to be our # 2 CB with Houston the # 1 and Berry as our slot CB. This is assuming the Lions draft a CB to develop. Unless the guy is outstanding I would prefer to see him stay on the bench and learn behind these guys. With the injuries that CBs always suffer, he will get plenty of playing time.
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Wright was lights out for the first half of the season
Before Wright got hurt he was playing coverage well enough that the QBs weren’t even throwing to his side. I remember several discussions about this on PoD.
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+1
This in the mirror slapping of the secondary is silly, the main issue was horrible tackling by the LB’s prolonging drives.
Wright is a keeper, Houston is a keeper, Delmas is going nowhere,Spievey gets one more year, Berry was essentially a rookie and is certainly a keeper, and is on the verge of becoming a shut down corner.
The one I never want to see in a Lions uni again is Levy. The guy is a pure stiff and the only way we should keep him is as a backup. Maybe Carpenter’s role.
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Crino to Delmas is Del to Levy
I like Levy, BUT he could definitely be upgraded.
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Levy is a stiff, unless they can squeak some value out of him by having him back up Tulloch or hopefully an upgrade for him.
These LB’s have sucked since the preseason(yes, they were an upgrade), and it come home to roost these last two games.
It’s not the secondary, but the backers. They pure blow.
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But I will say Tulloch is a bit better then the 8 yard down the field tackler that I had him made out to be.
He will make a play or two at times.
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Oops.....
I rank Levy right up there with Derrick Williams(STIFF!!!!!!!!) who I couldN’T wait to see hit the road.
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vanilla wide 9 scheme
If Gunther won’t mix things up I say get rid of all our good talent on defense and invest in the offense. KVB always out of position on end, results in us getting killed by screen plays and runs to the outside. Suh usually gets trapped and double teamed so he is ineffective. Avril does well because of his speed and the fact Suh has double team. Our linebackers have to cover too much space because our corners play 10 yards off the receivers. We have some talent on defense but our scheme is flawed.
P.S. Blaming the refs after every lose won’t improve our team.
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P.S. Blaming the refs after every lose won’t improve our team.
Not really a whole lot of that going on.
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I hope your referring to losing.
by hasselhoff on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK, I see this a bit differently, for a number of reasons.
First, Eric Wright is a better cornerback than Chris Houston. Not by a lot, but he is better. The reason that you may have a misconception is because Eric Wright has played with a bad groin, while Chris Houston mainly has not played while hurt. If you are familiar with having a pulled groin then you know it is painful to stop, start, or change direction suddenly. That makes it very difficult to cover a receiver. I give Wright a TON of credit for playing hurt when the team needed him. When Eric Wright is not hurt he is in the second tier of cornerbacks, and Derrelle Revis is the only guy in the first tier.
Chris Houston is only a small step behind Wright, but Houston may still have upside to his game and could conceivably pass Wright next season. The biggest difference between the two guys is that Wright is just a bit better in coverage when his groin is healthy. Wright is also more flexible, playing both outside and in the slot. With all that said, Chris Houston is definitely a keeper and the Lions should work to extend his contract sometime next season, if he plays well again.
Aaron Berry is a raw talent that was essentially playing his rookie season. He played in only one game in 2010 before getting hurt and going on IR. When you consider he is only a rookie, he played very well. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he has a tremendous amount of upside to realize still. He was easily our third best cornerback and he will get better.
Louis Delmas is a very good safety, but not yet a premier safety. He is more suited to be a strong safety because he is usually effective at reading the play and stepping up to stop the run. Delmas’ coverage skills are good, but not elite. Occasionally Louis will take a bad angle on a tackle and whiffs. I would refer that he closes on the ball carrier just a bit more under control and cleans up those misses.
Amari Spievey played very well in the first few games then seemed to lose his confidence after he got burned couple times. He also played hurt for a good part of the year, and that may have contributed to his drop-off in performance.
John Wendling plays an important role on special teams and he should be retained just for that reason. When Wendling was asked to step in and play he did a credible job in a pinch. He is purely a depth player but he has value on the roster.
Chris Harris will likely be a good depth player next season and he can step in to play if Amari Spievey is struggling. I feel that Harris has a few good seasons left and he can spend them in Detroit as long as he plays well enough to keep a roster spot. I consider Harris a “bubble” player, but since he has one more season on his contract for a reasonable salary, the Lions will probably keep him.
Those are the the guys that are most likely to be back next season. If you are keeping score, that is three cornerbacks and four safeties. That means the Lions will have two cornerback spots and maybe one safety spot in contention next season.
You may notice that I did not include Alphonzo Smith on my list of keepers. That is because there is some obvious contention going on between the coaches and Smith. With the inconsistency of his play, I do not think the Lions will keep him. I expect him to be traded or released before next season. Frankly, the Lions probably would have been better off with Nathan Vasher this season than Alphonso Smith.
Ricardo Silva may end up being the additional safety next season. He has another year of eligibility for the practice squad since he only dressed for three games this season. So he may up back on the PS as well. It all depends on how much he develops before final cuts next season.
I expect the Lions to draft another cornerback, and maybe pick up another one from free agency. If the Lions get a free agent cornerback it will be a young guy they think they can develop. Wright and Houston are likely to remain in Detroit as the nominal starters unless Aaron Berry develops enough to push one of them for a starting job. The Lions will not invest a lot of bucks into signing a big name free agent safety because they just do not have the money. Instead they will concentrate on signing Wright, Tulloch, Avril, etc.
The Lions will probably only draft a safety if they are the clear BPA in an early round.
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I think you are really overrating our Safeties.
From my understanding of our scheme, their poor play has contributed to the long run plays we are giving up and a lot of the deep throws too.
Delmas especially is a guy who is regressing. I pretty much gave him a pass for 2010 because of the groin issue, but he continued to play poorly in 2011 and in addition, missed more games too. I would be getting his replacement ready this offseason and if he does not improve in 2012, time to move on.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
It depends...
The safeties are often asked to play cover two in our defense. When they are doing that, they cannot be responsible for run fits because they will be dropping deep as soon as the ball is snapped. Sure, they can read a run and come back to make a play, but their initial steps will be backwards until they make a read. That is scheme, not individual play.
IMO, the run defense problems are more about how the defensive line plays. When the Lions play the “wide nine” the ends are so far outside that they never come back in enough to reduce the size of the gaps on either side of the defensive tackles. The linebackers are mainly responsible for filling those gaps and making plays, but I think the B gaps are too big to control with one player. They give the running back too much room to make a cut and avoid the linebacker coming up.
This problem is compounded by the way that our defensive tackles play. I have mentioned this before. The interior of the defensive line does not play off their blocks to make a play on the running back often enough. Nick Fairley is far an away the best run defender on our defensive line. He is VERY good at using his hands to play off the blocker and keep himself in position to make plays on the ball carrier. Nobody else on the line is even close to him in playing the run, though Corey Williams and Sammie Hill make plays once in a while. Suh was horrible at playing the run this season.
Maybe you are reading more love for our safeties than is intended. I do not think either of them is great.
Delmas is just good, but that is evaluating talent, not his actual play. I am disappointed that Louis has not developed more. So far, he was better as a rookie than he has been since. He has terrible tackling form and he often misses or bounces off a tackle and that results in extra yards. On the flip side, he reads plays pretty well and generally gets around the ball a lot. He just needs to finish better. He has the hard part right. The finishing is technique that he can learn.
Amari Spievey looked very good in the first few games. At some point that I can quite define, he faltered and never regained his form. But he is a very young player and so is Delmas. They still have the ability to improve their game. It is not time to write them off yet.
So if you are saying that our safety play needs to improve then yes, it does. If you are saying that we need more safeties, then I am not so sure. The Lions probably need to watch Delmas for one more season and Spievey for two more before they can evaluate what they really have. Chris Harris is under contract one more season, John Wendling plays an important role on special teams, and we already have a development safety in Ricardo Silva.
I am not saying they are great, I am saying they are probably what the Lions will keep because they are not going to give up on Delmas or Spievey this quickly. With the salary cap situation it is not in the financial cards to go out and get a proven top-shelf safety. Besides, what happens if Delmas and Spievey play very well next season. Then your golden boy, free agent safety is an expensive bench sitter.
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I appreciate the thoughtful reply TL, but I don't think the Lions can afford to wait years for these guys.
Our Safety depth is non-existent right now outside of R. Silva. Having someone on the bench that can come in and not embarass himself should not cost a lot of money. I am not saying that the Lions need an all star, they need an average Safety who they can put in if Delmas and Spievey continue to regress or stay at their current level of play.
I think both Amari and Louis are coming to the end of their rookie contracts, so decisions will have to be made next offseason. And frankly, the coaching staff better have a pretty good idea by now about what they have and if they honestly think these two guys can play in the NFL. This offseason will be very interesting for how the Lions address these players and this position in particular.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
I completely agree with your take on our D Line.
Based on his limited play, Fairley deserves a lot more playing time. I know he was kept out of the line up due to his foot issues, but if he is healthy I would like to see him play as much as any of our DTs next year. Suh needs to be coached up to play the run much better than he has so far in his career.
At DE, Cliff is our best pass rusher, but Willie Young and Lawrence Jackson showed they are better all around DEs. I would like to see KVB’s snaps be greatly reduced [make him our # 4 DE] and rotate the other three almost exclusively.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Glad I skimmed this instead of Read this.
I couldn’t disagree with you more. Your ratings are laughably bad.
Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said … is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
EH?
Eddie, Is this comment related to this thread or is this a mistake?
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
I'm pretty sure its from a movie
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Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Yeah I get that, but who is he directing the comment at?
Crino? Or someone else?
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
And there will be no cheating...
…especially with my wife who is a dirty, dirty whore.
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Been waiting to use that eh?
and then?
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Defenses around the NFL will fall victim to the fatal disease "Natecalvintitus"
Back it up,
Or do you only use other peoples words? Mindless fodder?
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I'm a ninety pound weakling in real life.
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Yes, the secondary has two or three spots that need to be filled.
I do not expect the starters to be replaced, but they do need to stay more healthy. We had good play from our corners early in the season, until they got hurt.
Once we had to rely on Alphonzo Smith to play, we were screwed. He is just not consistent enough to play in the NFL. He is a touchdown waiting to happen, you just don’t know which team is going to get it. Unfortunately, he surrenders two or three TDs for every one he picks off. He is a net negative in a big way and I hope that people finally recognize this after the last couple of weeks.
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I am not high on Delmas man
I was after his rook year but last year and this year. Just completely unimpressed.
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Please note that I said...
that we have good play from our corners early in the season. I did not say much about Delmas other than he has not developed well.
I feel the safety play was OK early in the year and ended up below par by the end of the season. My biggest knocks on Delmas have been his injuries and that he misses too many tackles. At this point Delmas is a B grade talent that is playing like a C- or D+.
I feel that Spievey started the season very well, better than Delmas in fact. By the midpoint of the season Spievey was playing poorly.
I know you do not want to hear about inuries, but I am pretty sure that injuries played a pretty big role in the downhill slide in the secondary. You don’t put up numbers to be a top five passing defense for the first half of the season then fall on your face for the rest of the season without reason. I know you don’t buy the injury thing, but I do and so does Jim Schwartz.
http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/01/09/building-depth-on-defense-a-point-of-emphasis-for-schwartz/
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Very true,
But if the rest of the league thinks Delmas is a B, I think he would be GREAT trade bait.
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Ok, let us just say that injuries were the problem (something I do not think is a proper reason for failure)
What I find most unbearable is, why do we keep doing the same thing on defense when we can clearly see it is not working with the personnel we have?
Einstein. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Where were all the wrinkles from last year? What the hell happened to the 313? I did not see a single deviation from their base the entire year unless it was goal line defense putting 5 on the LOS.
Even worse, I did not see any deviation from our base defense in the second half of the season, when it was obvious to the entire football world that our guys were completely over matched at damn near ever position in the secondary.
Want more, did we see any adjustment in game plan once we realized the refs were never going to call a holding penalty on NO? Stunts were almost non-existent. We only blitzed 10% of the time. We blitzed 6 times the entire game. We got torched for 636 yards.
We all know, our defense is based on pressure from the front four. When we know we are not going to get pressure from them, instead of trying to make some sort of adjustment, we just decided to keep doing the same damn thing and in the process allow the other team to set a playoff record for most yards in a game against us.
You want to know what is really crazy. People around here beat the hell out of marinelli for doing the same thing over and over for the same results. Yet they praise Schwartz for doing the exact same thing for the second half of this season when it was clearly not working against the better teams in the league.
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No deviation?
I remember them standing up our DE’s and in the playoff game they stood up Cory Williams for the first time that I have seen.
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
I think CWill was cought standing.
I do not think it was by design.
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No it was design he was standing way back and ran at the line
The commentators even spoke on it
We are taught from an early age how to deal with failure not success. (If at first you don't succeed try try again, if at first you succeed then what....) -Charlie Sheen
I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
how the hell did I miss that?
What happened on the play?
I want Video because that would be the first time all god damn year.
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GROW THE F UP
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I just want a Premiere CB
I can’t remember the last time our Lions have had a STUD at that position. Dont get me wrong i like Wright and Houston but i just want a STUD! someone who can shut down their side of the field. I’m hoping we find a hidden gem in this years draft.
I'll take a stud at any position on D
Ibut i’d rather go stud safety. I think the effect would be much greater.
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I'll take a stud at any position on D
but i’d rather go stud safety. I think the effect would be much greater.
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I don't have any #'s on "hurries",
but our db’s are getting a little too much crap for there less than stellar performances the last two weeks, especially. There were times when we got to Brees, but all in all, he just had way too much time to throw in that pocket. Not many d backfields can overcome an anemic pass rush. The pass rush has been opportunistic, but not consistent.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
Another thing I have noticed about Detroit's D is
that they don’t “gang tackle”. Good defenses tend to have a group of defenders around the ball at all times, and we don’t seem to have had that. Not that this has as much to do with the backfield, just something I’ve noticed.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
I completely disagree....
One thing this team does is play as hard as any team that I have ever seen. Every man attacks the ball carrier the best they can.
Is your head as big as your Mama's ass?
Our 23rd ranked run d has been gashed much of the year.
Too often, runners are getting into space with one on one battles against an lb or db.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
I do not question how hard they have played, though.
That is one thing that I like about this d – they don’t take plays off. If they did, KVB would glare at them with is red contact lenses.
Did you guys see the size of that chicken?
I hate to say it is D-line's fault but...
Many of the frustrating runs there is a lineman that gets to the second level getting in the way of the LB’s. Also lately they haven’t been able to stop screens and outlet passes in the flats. Earlier this year we blew up many a screen whether it was Wright setting an edge deep or a safety shooting in to blow it up. Maybe the shell D aren’t really allowing this to happen since the safeties are deeper. Or our DB’s aren’t selling out like they used too. Not sure exactly why but it has been a major prob.
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Because we expect the LB's to be the ones that actually stop the run and the D-line to focus on the pass rush....It's purely the LB'ers fault for 70% of our D's issues.
How did I come about the 70%? Because most of our D issues stem from those big slashing runs they were expected to stop.
Is your head as big as your Mama's ass?
We need depth
No point in grading. The only one we can afford to give up is Smith. Just too much to replace. We’ll pick up a safety or corner in the later rounds. We really have no choice because of cap issues.
We have to pick up some one to replace Dom. I love him but after 11 years, they have to be looking to the future. The same with Backus.
Having said this, I can see them taking a Linebacker in the first, if Konz is gone.
Is Backus still gonna be hurt when preseason comes around?
Anybody know what’s up with him?
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
I could be wrong
but Bicep tears are not that long of a recovery type injury.
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"You can get a win with undisciplined jack asses, you create a winning team with discipline and poise." by Leonuro
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GROW THE F UP
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"Some people mistake the way I talk for the way I am thinking."
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If everything goes well in the rehab
he should be back by the training camps (mid to late summer recovery I would expect). The problem is there probably won’t be much info for the team to work with come draft day, so it makes the decision making much harder.
The problem is there probably won’t be much info for the team to work with come draft day, so it makes the decision making much harder.
Not sure about that. He is 34 or 35. I think the decision is rapidly being made for them.
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"You can get a win with undisciplined jack asses, you create a winning team with discipline and poise." by Leonuro
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GROW THE F UP
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"Some people mistake the way I talk for the way I am thinking."
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Agree.
Unless we put all our eggs in one basket with this mythical player I’ve heard stories about, Fox (still not sure he’s actually real) we should draft some o-linemen.
Even with Fox AND Backus healthy, our o-line depth is pretty suspect.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
and considering it is protecting our QB
that should never be the case.
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"You can get a win with undisciplined jack asses, you create a winning team with discipline and poise." by Leonuro
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GROW THE F UP
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"Some people mistake the way I talk for the way I am thinking."
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Gotta draft trade or sign (whichever works the best) O-Line.
Have to. Those 10 wins are due in part to Matthew Stafford. You wanna make the playoffs and advance next year, you protect #9. Period.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Fox is the Bigfoot in Detroit lore.
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