Shoulder Surgery Behind Ndamukong Suh's Decrease In Production In 2011?

More like double teams with excessive holding that was never called because he is “dirty”. People next to him need to step it up. Where is Cory Williams 10 sack season while Suh is sucking up double teams?

Someone has to have game tapes from 2010 and 2011. Run them side by side and look for the difference. Seems like that could put an end to the speculation.

He means to tell me that Suh put together a 10 sack rookie season while playing with a separated shoulder, yet managed just three with a fully healthy one? Something ASIDE from his shoulder wasn’t right in 11. Whatever it is, he needs to figure it out.

Teams were better prepared for him this year. You cant blame the shoulder surgery. He was constantly double and triple teamed as well as several holding calls on the offense that went uncalled. I think that is what lead him to his stomping. That and frustration. He will be back and better than ever next year.

How about we let the kid play one more full season before we start saying he needs to produce. It’s called the sophmore slump, alot of players go through it…

I think is an excuse. Jared Allen (douchebag) gets double teamed, and still manages to make plays. Suh even lost alot of 1on1 matchups.

Hopefully next year Suh comes back humble, focused, and much more mature, ready to play.

Now for the reasons for his drop in production is open for discussion. I believe its a few factors:

Lack of creativity with defensive schemes
Suh may have been injured
Cockiness; lack of maturity
Opposing coaches adjust to take Suh out of game

I think losing those 15-20 pounds in the offseason hurt too, 285 is too small for a defensive tackle.

Hear you have a phenom as a rookie blowing up the stat book and making the probowl…. following that year… a lockout.

Bottom line is… Suh is a perfect example of how the Lockout can affect players… especially high profile players with a self promotional agenda.

Lack of coaching, lack of training on weaknesses, lack of position fundamentals and taking the game “to the next level”.

We can only hope that a structured offseason will include the creation of more “moves” and improved awareness for Suh. With this coaching staff, I have no doubt it will.

in the first half of the season. He was an unknown rookie, so teams did not know what to aspect from him. Teams knew that Williams had back to back 7 sack seasons in Green Bay when they used a 4-3 scheme. Teams knew that KVB was back with his old DC from Tennessee where he had two double digit sack seasons. Teams knew that Cliff was a young talent that was getting better each season. That is also why Suh had 6.5 sacks in his first 8 games of the season, 3.5 sacks in the remaining eight.

Now, in 2011 teams knew about Suh, That is why he got the double and sometimes triple teams. That is also why KVB and Avril’s sack total increased this past season. The Lions sack total was 43 in 2010 and fell to 41 this season. Now much of a fall considering the Lions 2011 schedule. The Lions played against every NFC playoff team except for the Giants. Suh and the D-line are the reason why that the Packers and Bears spent a 1st round pick on O-linemen.

a stockholder of Sapp. I am a big fan of Suh. That said, I think 3 of Suh’s sacks last year came standing up. (Moving him around a good idea…check)

Suh definitely saw more double teams in year two than year one, he had less splash plays and got disqualified and suspended for a frustration foul. (needs to work on his game instead of his brand…..check)

pre-season Suh tweeted about benching 5 sets of 5 starting at 275 and ending at 350, if memory serves. (Shoulder problem….probably not; unless you think he was lying)

I am 200% on the Suh train and I am usually the first to defend him. However, if we see the same Suh next year that we saw this year, my opinion will start to change.

He can’t change how the coaches use him, but he can control how well he perfects his craft. With his physical gifts, he should beat enough double teams to avoid the frustration we saw.

MLive in just one day has had articles that describe all the opinions of the multitudes of Lions fans.

Warren Sapp disses the Lions defense from Suh, the linebackers, and the defensive backs as well as Cunningham. Then Prime Time Deion Sanders really likes what he sees in the Lions progress from 0 – 16, citing injuries and the fact that the Lions are 2 – 3 dbs from being a solid defense. Plus with the Lions offense everyone knows points are going to be put up on the scoreboard.

Same logic with Suh, some Lions fans will proclaim from the mountaintops that Suh’s production went down in 2011, while across the valley from the other mountaintops some Lions fans will proclaim that Suh was double teamed, and there was way more opposing OL holding that held Suh’s numbers down. Some will fault Suh himself, the others will fault extenuating circumstances.

It is what it is, nothing is going to change from last year. The big question(s) and really the only important questions are looking forward are: 1) how are Mayhew and crew going to improve the Lions for next year. A nice start would be to resign Avril, sign CJ to a long term contract, would not hurt to get Tulloch resigned, then with free agency with what I suspect will be quality signing(s) as opposed to quantity of signings (read less free agents signed from other teams) and then the draft. And 2) how will Suh perform next year.

The only thing that remains a puzzle is Mayhew’s statement that he’s going to make trades, what does that mean? Draft day trades? Other trades?

Schwartz loves running that vanilla wide 9. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes and becomes a better coach.

I think Schwartz was better this year with managing time outs. If I was Schwartz I would have been working with Linehan and his predictable offense in the early part of the season.

I do believe if Linehan would have opened up that playbook earlier in the year, the Lions would have beaten the 49ers.

I hope Schwartz lets Gunny run more of the 2010 defense.

"Four sacks is nothing to sneeze at for a defensive tackle," Schwartz said. "Warren Sapp’s a great player. I think he had 12 sacks his first two years. Ndamukong had 14 his first two years."

Sapp’s retired. All he has to do now is talk, and I don’t give a fuck what he has to say.

Shit like this just has to push Suh to work much harder, you would think.