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Decision 2012: Left Tackle For The Lions

(Ed. note: Bumped to the front page.)

When I started thinking about this offseason, I realized that the Lions may be at a vital and historic decision for the upcoming season. Who will be the left tackle and provide the protection that the pass happy Lions need for their outstanding QB?

This has not been a worry for the Lions organization for 11 years, although it has been a subject of intense debate among the fan base for much of that time. I'll present the options available, their positive and negatives, and then how I think the Lions should address this issue.

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THE OPTIONS

1. Bring back Jeff Backus - Backus has been the rock of this O-line for 11 straight years. Never missing a start and hardly missing a snap during that time. He has been a better than average LT throughout his career, but never the dominant, franchise LT that Lions fans have been clamoring for. He is a free agent who currently has a cap hit of $7 million (10th among all tackles) for 2011. I think he could be re-signed for around $5 million per year, which is projected to be around 20th in the NFL among all tackles.

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+ves - A steady, reliable pass protector who was playing some of the best football of his career during the second half of the season. Only gave up one sack after week seven. Looked good run blocking as well.

-ves - He was injured at the beginning of the season and was injured in the fourth quarter of the wild card game. He will be 35 years old in August 2012 with a lot of hard miles on his body.

2. Draft a replacement in round one in 2012 - The Lions choose at No. 23 this year and there will may be some (a) left tackle candidates available when they pick. In my view, the most likely OT available will be Mike Adams from Ohio State. The other LT candidates who could start immediately (Kalil, Reiff, and Martin) will likely be gone. If the Lions really want to target a starting LT they may have to move up.

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+ves - This could be the new cornerstone of the O-line and provide blind side protection for Stafford for the next decade. Not to mention improved run blocking. Less costly alternative (less than $2 million per year than Backus or an FA).

-ves - The guy could be a bust and severely hamper the Lions offense. The Lions may have to give up multiple draft picks to trade up to get the guy they want.

3. Pick up a free agent left tackle - The three LTs who may be available are all coming off serious injuries (Gaither, D. Bell, and Max Starks) and will cost more than Backus. They are all younger, but not as reliable. I like Demetrius Bell from Buffalo as the best value among these three.

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+ves - At least five years younger than Backus and all have shown they are at least above average LTs.

-ves - More expensive and less reliable than Backus (everyone is).

4. Promote from within - Give the job to the better of Corey Hilliard and Jason Fox. I really don't like this option at all. Hilliard is a barely passable right tackle and Fox has not been able to stay healthy through the preseason or practices. And I am not considering Gosder Cherilus, as he seems to be having enough trouble on the right side.

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5. Trade? - I don't think even Martin Mayhew can get a decent LT in a trade, not to mention what he would have to give up and pay the guy. I don't think any team would trade a passable left tackle.

So, out of these options I believe that the Lions will re-sign Jeff Backus for two years and make a decision on whether Jason Fox can step up by 2013 during the 2012 season. That is dependent on Backus signing for a reasonable amount and that he makes a full recovery from his injury in the wild card game. I still believe he has a year or two in the tank, enough for the Lions to prepare for a succession in 2013.

I would love to hear what the rest of you think and will respond to all questions or comments.

Poll
I think the Lions should fill the left tackle position by ...
Re-signing Jeff Backus
704 votes
Drafting a stud LT to start in 2012 (Adams/Reiff/Martin)
537 votes
Signing one of the three available LTs (Gaither/Bell/Starks)
153 votes
Promoting Jason Fox and hoping for the best
62 votes

1456 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pride of Detroit or its writers. FanPosts are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable fans.

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My thoughts exactly.

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by Bighaircut on Feb 1, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Thirded

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much my thought too...

If we draft a guy as a replacement for Backus, there’s nothing saying that he can’t be plugged in elsewhere along the line to get game reps and learn if he’s not ready to take the LT spot from him immediately.

by Mogwai on Feb 2, 2012 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson

by Mavyrk on Feb 2, 2012 7:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Option 1

Please. Please. Please. No late round project picks. 1st round pick up or nothing for this position in the draft.

by Loyal det on Feb 3, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

One question for all four of you guys: Are you using the first round pick or a later one?

I am not that familiar with the draft class yet so I really don’t know of too many Left Tackle prospects that would be available later on. I am sure there are some, they just sound like they will require some development before being able to start.
I thought that the Lions would give Jason Fox this year to establish that he could be a viable option at Left Tackle, so why would they get another developmental Tackle unless they had decided on giving up on Fox.

At least that is my take.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 7:06 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe ...

Draft a tackle in the 2nd/3rd round, someone who needs 2 years to groom, sign JB to 2 year deal, and at the same time give Fox 2 years to prove himself .. Best case scenario is we have great LT and RT after 2 years, or draft a left tackle in the 1st round after 2 years, and one of these can handle RT/backup

We surely NEED to keep JB

by Libran on Feb 2, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Id rather have Fox/Hilliard start

before a 2nd-7th rnd pick. So if we don’t use a 1st on a LT, I’d expect us not to draft one to be honest.

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by Bighaircut on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short

by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 2, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that.

We have Fox and Culbreath “developing” already. Unless they are through with those guys it does not make much sense to add another young Tackle into the mix.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant to the "not drafting an LT after Round One".

As I said in the FanPost, I really don’t like the idea of either of those guys getting the LT job. At least, that does not seem to be a very good plan to go into 2012.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Going into 2012, I agree, not a great plan.

Going into 2013? I can see it as a possibility. Fox needs uninjured time to accrue and Culbreath needs more practice, less mysterious illness and less arrests. I’m all for Backus 1-2 years, but I’m ok with drafting another lineman outside of day 1, hopefully with some versatility.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree we ned to keep Backus

With that bring said I would like to see Fox start this year. Fox goes to IR every year without even playing a game so you need a reliable backup. If Fox could make it through 5 games and let Backus be fully healthy and fresh, I would be ok with that.

If Adams and Martin are gone then Konz and Glenn should be available. Either of those two are too three

by Northern Lite on Feb 2, 2012 8:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree we ned to keep Backus

With that bring said I would like to see Fox start this year. Fox goes to IR every year without even playing a game so you need a reliable backup. If Fox could make it through 5 games and let Backus be fully healthy and fresh, I would be ok with that.

If Adams and Martin are gone then Konz and Glenn should be available. Either of those two are too three

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by CLF on Feb 3, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree we ned to keep Backus

With that bring said I would like to see Fox start this year. Fox goes to IR every year without even playing a game so you need a reliable backup. If Fox could make it through 5 games and let Backus be fully healthy and fresh, I would be ok with that.

If Adams and Martin are gone then Konz and Glenn should be available. Either of those two are top three interior linemen in this draft. If we pass on Konz I hope we grab Jones or Brewster in the later rounds.

by Northern Lite on Feb 2, 2012 9:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree we ned to keep Backus

With that bring said I would like to see Fox start this year. Fox goes to IR every year without even playing a game so you need a reliable backup. If Fox could make it through 5 games and let Backus be fully healthy and fresh, I would be ok with that.

If Adams and Martin are gone then Konz and Glenn should be available. Either of those two are top three interior linemen in this draft. If we pass on Konz I hope we grab Jones or Brewster in the later rounds.

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by CLF on Feb 3, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Trade waaaay up for Matt Kalil

Make a Julio Jones-esque trade-up for Matt Kalil. We trade our first, second and fourth plus first and fourth next year to move up to # 3 (assuming Luck goes # 1 and someone trades up for RG3 at # 2), and we get the best pass-protecting Left Tackle prospect in years.

We still have a third and fifth to find a solid developmental center to take over from Raiola in a year or so, or we can draft one in the second or third next year.

Yes, the opportunity cost is high, but Mayhew has proven he can fill holes with free agency and trading late-rounders for solid players (C.Will, Rob Sims, Chris Houston, etc).

Our ticket to success is Stafford throwing, Johnson catching, our D-Line disrupting, and someone protecting Stafford while he’s throwing.

Even after all the picks we give up, three years from now, four, six years, eight years from now, we’ll be glad we have one of the top LT’s in the league long after we’ve absorbed the cost of the trade it took to draft him.

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by n4ry4 on Feb 2, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

i don't think that would be ideal trading up

I think Mike Adams would be just fine at 23. He meets the value of the pick and interesting enough could become a much better overall tackle the the guys above him… (or atleast a much better tackle than Backus)

I say keep Backus and phase Adams into the line up as we go problem solved ..next :)

by Shankdiddy on Feb 2, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess that is possible, but can the Lions afford to wait?

I think the move up for Best in the 2010 draft shows that the Lions will have their eye on a particular “need” player at the start of the draft and will move up if they feel that:
A/ a favourable trade can be made to move up.
AND
B/ the player that they are targeting is unlikely, or even possibly, to be available when they select at # 23.

Based on where the Left Tackle prospects stand now, Kalil looks like a top three pick. I do not see the Lions moving up that far. Especially since Kalil does not appear to be a slam dunk All Pro Left Tackle IMO. He is very, very good, but not Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Orlando Pace, Tony Boselli, or Jonathon Ogden level good.

Reiff and Martin both appear to be the next level down Left Tackles. They seem to be being targeted around the sixth to thirteenth picks. The price to move up to this range would be much more manageable IMO. It would cost the Lions their first and second round picks this year, plus another pick which would depend on how far the Lions moved up. If it was the thirteenth pick, the first and second rounder might do it. If it was the sixth pick they would probably need to throw in next years second and fourth too. Personally I would move up for Reiff only [I don’t like some of the criticisms I am reading about Martin] and then only if he was tenth or later.

Adams looks to be valued slightly lower due to his mediocre and inconsistent senior year. But even he looks to be making a push up the boards based on his strong play in the Senior Bowl. I think he will be gone by around the eighteenth pick. That would cost the Lions their first and third round choices this year minimum. That would be good value IMO.

Those are my thoughts regarding draft day for the Lions. It will be very interesting to see what happens between now and then.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 3, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think we should trade up for Kalil

But I think your assessment on him is off. I do feel that Kalil and DeCastro are both absolutely slam dunk Orlando Pace, Steve Hutchinson style pickups.

"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson

by Mavyrk on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about DeCastro.

He looks to be a Steve Hutchinson clone and could be a perennial Pro Bowler for the next ten years. Wait, didn’t they say the same thing about Iupati in 2010?

I don’t know about Kalil. I just have not seen anything that makes me think that he will be elite. He looks very solid and very consistent in everything he does, but he does not jump out at me like Long and Thomas did when they were coming out.

No doubt I am wrong. It’s happened a few times before.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 3, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty gutsy move. But I think that is too much to give up.

Personally, I like moving up a little to get Mike Adams a lot more. May only have to go up five spots or so [ahead of the Bears] to get him. Reiff would be my second choice, but even he will be someone that you have to get in the top ten I think.

Adams might take our first and third round choice to get into position to grab him. Reiff would take our first and second this year plus our second next year…and that would be a good deal for us.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

You think the Bears will take an LT?

They took Carimi last year, seems like a stretch to waste day 1 picks on an LT two years running.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Feb 2, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I think they will take an LT. Carimi was playing on the Right side I thought.

They have no Tackles to speak of. Adams would be a great addition for them on the Left side IMO.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, he was playing right side

They were playing J’Marcus Webb on the left. Webb was drafted in 2010. PFF didn’t grade Webb out too well and Carimi needs a bunch of surgeries. Considering that, I don’t think it’s a stretch to think they’ll draft another. However, drafting tackles three years in a row, two on day 1…I’m still iffy on that.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

"I'm not puting that quote on my sig" -Bighaircut, circa 2012

"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm, drafting the same position in the first round multiple times. Who does that remind you of?

But really, that position [and any on the O Line] is so weak for the Bears right now that I don’t see how they can afford to pass a good prospect by.
They need to give Cutler some kind of protection.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Who does that remind you of?

Rick Astley.

I don’t disagree with what you say. How about a gentleman’s bet on the Bears’ first round draft choice?

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

"I'm not puting that quote on my sig" -Bighaircut, circa 2012

"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Feb 2, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Then again...

Martz isn’t in town anymore. No more 68 step drop passes and they’re not required to pass block for 2:38 per snap.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

"I'm not puting that quote on my sig" -Bighaircut, circa 2012

"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

All I'm hearing/seeing

Is that Adams will be there when we pick. All the “experts” say that Kalil, Reiff, and Martin, possibly Sanders, will be gone before us…

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by Bighaircut on Feb 2, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I am seeing Sanders more and more in the second round.

After his play in the Senior Bowl. He does not look like a Left Tackle prospect.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

He’s been getting beat lately, as I’ve heard. maybe Adams has moved up, but I’d love to have him.

Eric Wright and Aaron Berry live #Regan

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by Bighaircut on Feb 3, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Alrighty then!

You know that master plan isn’t too absurd. I’ll buy it. But, we really need those picks. We are not gonna be able to resign everyone that is precious to our team.

Why lie? When the truth is so much easier to remember!

by Jinxxer on Feb 2, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

These two responses get rec'd

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by Nate D. on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No love

for Mitchell Schwartz around here huh? lol. He is the Backus clone so don’t be surprised.

by Lionsickness on Feb 2, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Seems like he caught the Lion's eye in the Senior Bowl.

And he played pretty well in the game too. Late third to fourth round prospect from what most are projecting him.

I don’t know if you could expect him to start early in his career. Sounds like a developmental guy.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

he immediately made me think of Backus……and then they interviewed him so I laughed myself silly. His arms are 2 inches longer though so that would actually be a big bonus. If he shows up at the combine under 310 I will be convinced that the Lions told him he can play LT.

by Lionsickness on Feb 2, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird to say

But I don’t have a opinion on Backus anymore. A Vike-queens fan told me Jared Allen runs through him like I run through funyuns and i thought that was funny, but that is really the only time I had any emotion about a Backus play or comment. I am totally numb towards him.

not sure if thats good or bad??

I do think a LT, either Martin, Adams or Reiff will fall to us. Not sure if we will pick him if one of them does, but I do think one will be there.

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by xanderjd on Feb 2, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Resign Backus....

then draft a LT if its available or maybe try and trade up a few spots. To be honest I’m not too fond of the corners or linebackers in the draft.

My best guess is we will see a OG or OC in the first round. Having said that i didn’t see the Nick Fairley pick coming so who knows.

This draft could go anywhere depending on wheather we resign Tullock, Wright, and of course Avril.

I wondered about the possibility of finding a quality starting LT (draft or maybe even Fox)…then having Backus move to OG.

by Veihl789 on Feb 2, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Backus

probably won’t resign for a few more years. lol

by Lionsickness on Feb 2, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

easy

Veihl, I am not the grammar police. Just messing around, bro. hehe.

by Lionsickness on Feb 3, 2012 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah ..

I don’t care .. it’s just been too much fun playing with it :)

by Libran on Feb 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

got to resign Backus, and got to find Backus' replacement this year

What bothers me about Backus’ injuries last year, and think its important to not lump them into the general term “injury,” is the fact that both of Backus’ injuries were muscle pulls. First the chest pectoral muscle was pulled early, then the forearm muscle was pulled late.

Am starting to think Backus this late in his career is at the point where mentally he thinks he can play for another 2 – 3 years, but his body is saying something different with the muscle pulls. Both chest and forearm muscle pulls are common among athletes where strenuous training/exercise is involved and both are painful. And now that the Lions are knocking at the door of going deep into the playoffs, Backus will probably train even more strenuously.

That said, not knowing Mayhew’s view of the situation, think Backus must be resigned with lesser dollars involved, however since Stafford is the franchise the Lions can’t wait another year to find their next frachise LT. Hilliard ? Fox? Even at 80% Backus is better that those guys, but who wants to take a chance that Backus won’t get another muscle tear or some other injury where he is forced to miss games? So the Lions must find heir apparent LT between now and season opener.

by 5Bakerstreet on Feb 2, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

spell check = yes, detail check = no

Sorry for one minor glitch in the above post. Substitute muscle tear for muscle pull.

by 5Bakerstreet on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft

Either way that is our first pick (LT). The pick will have the choice to sit behind Backus for 1-2 years to develop or to start. Drafting a LT is the only logical choice we have this spring unless we lose both corners in free agency OR we trade for a LT (unlikely).

by Lionsfan012 on Feb 2, 2012 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

A couple of points to consider about your comment.

First, Mayhew does not believe in filling needs in the draft. The Lions evaluate the talent available and select the Best Available Player that fits their scheme. That’s how we ended up with Nick Fairley last year.

Second, pretty well all O Linemen chosen in the first round start in their rookie year. Teams don’t take players [except for QBs] in the first round to sit on the bench. They either start or are part of a regular rotation. Since O Linemen don’t rotate, they gotta start.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 2, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

Go the hasselhoff!

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by CLF on Feb 3, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

http://twitter.com/#!/rumbulls

by CLF on Feb 3, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

aaaaahhh!! make it stop!

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...

by n4ry4 on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice Hass ..

Glad to see you on board :)

by Libran on Feb 3, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I get the inside joke now

I thought you were being a dick. It’s different using a shitty cellphone compared to a computer. Alot of stuff goes unseen.

One good thing though I don’t have to see that creep in tighty whities wearing a ski mask. :p

by hasselhoff on Feb 3, 2012 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Delocated guy is gone.

I thought he was gross, but truth be told…I kinda miss him now.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Feb 3, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I seen him

I use my ps3 to surf the web with Internet Explorer 6 lol. Yeah that dude was creepy.

by hasselhoff on Feb 3, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It was my first acting gig

I was forced to be creepy by the writers and my agent.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

"I'm not puting that quote on my sig" -Bighaircut, circa 2012

"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy

by Leonuro on Feb 3, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is a scenario

What about trading the 23rd pick and getting another 2nd or possibly a 3rd as well. trade just enough to pick up either Glenn from Georgia or Adams from Ohio St. either way we could grab one of those two a little lower down the board if they are there if not we have more draft picks!

Why lie? When the truth is so much easier to remember!

by Jinxxer on Feb 2, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

Glenn and Adams in this years draft!

What if we managed to make a trade(s) in order to draft Glenn from GA and Adams From OSU in the same draft that would be awesome. Just saying it could be done. Why not trade away that DT Williams for a high draft pick possibly. Maybe never know!

Why lie? When the truth is so much easier to remember!

by Jinxxer on Feb 2, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

Draft Tek's on board with your idea!

http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1.asp

I don’t see any way the draft could go down this way, but oh boy if it did!!

They have us mocked for Mike Adams (OT) in the 1st, Cordy Glenn (OG) in the 2nd and Mike Brewster (OC) in the 3rd. Talk about rebuilding the line!! No way it goes this way, but the best christmas present-type mock I’ve seen so far, imo.

by Doc_H on Feb 7, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a replacement for Raiola too

I believe that it takes longer to train a good center than a LT. Both our center and LT are long in the tooth. I think we’ve got this year to evaluate the talent for LT. We don’t have any talent at center. The ideal situation would be for this center to be able to play guard along side Raiola and learn the game for the first year then the next year move in as the starter with Raiola being his teacher and capable backup. This means that we get the LT in next years draft. We need Backus for, at least, two years.

by rekar on Feb 3, 2012 1:39 AM EST reply actions  

the lions will draft a ot in the 1rd at 23pick maybee mike adams ot or if peter konz c/og fall to them at 23pick in the 1rd it will be hard for the lions gm to past on both of these players as both would rank high as bpa left on most draft boards in the nfl . also thier our a lot post about the lions drafting a cb in the 1rd ijust donot sea one that iwould use my 1rd pick in this year draft .aso idonot think backus will not resign with the lions unless he gets more money to play for a new nfl team .also haveing a young ot in this year draft to help backup both ot spots is something the lions have ben trying to do in the last couple of drafts but most of the players they have draft have not worcked out for them so yes icould sea them going offensive line to try to upgrade thier offensiveline .thisyear

by kwfords on Feb 3, 2012 2:43 AM EST reply actions  

Resign Backus and..

Why dont we just re-sign Backus and draft Mike Adams or a better option if they are available when we pick 23rd? Gotta plan for the future and what better time than now? I honestly think Mike Adams will have the better career out of every LT in the draft this year. Well maybe 2nd best behind Kalil. It doesnt hurt to work him in slowly and possibly plug him into the right side for extra playing time. Resigning Backus is a given though. I saw some projections and some are picking the Lions to make the Super Bowl next year. They arent picked to win but they are picked to make it which was interesting. Would be nice but unlikely.

by Snydt83 on Feb 3, 2012 2:47 AM EST reply actions  

Resign/Re-sign is an honest mistake that is made

I made it on a different post. I don’t see a problem pointing it out (even with humor/sarcasm), but I don’t see any reason with being a dick about it or name calling.

by hasselhoff on Feb 3, 2012 10:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

yeah ..

no insults …

keep it all fun ..

by Libran on Feb 3, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign backus to a 2 year contract and its a no brainer at the 23rd pick Mike Adams would be the guy to go with,i do not agree in trading up at all we can not afford to lose precious picks we have other areas that need to be addresed to like DB,RB,hopefully they can resign Tulloch to a 2-3 year deal,as far as Avril goes i think hes overrated think about this they double teamed Suh so much it was 1 on 1 for Avril all year!!!i say let Avril go will cost to much i think between LJ and Willie Young we will be ok.

by tas49002 on Feb 3, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Def re-sign Backus

I don’t think Mike Adams is a 1st rd value, let alone a LT in the NFL.

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by JazzyBBP on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Mike Adams does come with some baggage

suspended for two games in ’09 for violating team rules, cited in January 2009 for misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia (charges were eventually dropped) after being stopped for running a stop sign. Than suspended again in ’11 for five games.

I am not sure how Mayhew and Schwartz feels about this guys given that they trend not to draft players that have had past character issues.

Charles Aaron "Bubba" Smith 1945 - 2011 R.I.P.

by JCruize on Feb 4, 2012 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

What about Konz?

He’s got enough size to play any position on the O Line. At 6’5" and 315lbs, he could play tackle.
Yeah, yeah, I know, he’s never played tackle, he’s an interior lineman, etc. Go ahead and flame me.
But IMO, that’s what makes him valuable: you could plug him in wherever he’s needed. Start him off as backup C, or maybe starting RG. Then if Raiola or Backus goes down with an injury, he could shift over and fill their spot.
It’s rare to find a C that can play T, but from a purely “physical attributes” standpoint, it looks like this guy could play all 5 line positions.
If Konz is on the board with the Lions first round pick comes up, I wouldn’t even hesitate to pull the trigger.

by RobertPorcher on Feb 4, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Re-Sign backus AND draft Adams...?

This is one of those things that It almost seems like the Lions front office is still paying for the sins of ‘Matt F***King’s ignorance. Sooner than later they will have to address the LT/G and C positions. They don’t nessasarily have to be a 1st round picks. The league is full of solid to great linemen found later in the draft.

by Maxha on Feb 6, 2012 5:07 AM EST reply actions  

There's no better short term option than Backus

For 2012 (and maybe 2013), I think he’s the guy. Draft somebody this year or next to be his eventual replacement though.

I couldn't think of a better signature.

by atvman on Feb 9, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

sign backus for two years and move him to right guard.please get rid of peterson.that right there should save us millions off the cap.take adams with the first pick.

by lionsforever on Feb 12, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

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