SALARY CAP: THE LIONS "NEW MILLEN"
by SteveL1003 on Feb 12, 2012 11:51 PM EST
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PrintThe Detroit Lions made the playoffs for the first time in 13 years last season. The franchise and its fans are pretty excited for the seasons that lay ahead, but there could be one problem that hinders the success the team experienced for the first time since moving to Ford Field. The potential problem: the salary cap. The Lions certainly have some tough choices to make in the seasons to come, and the outcome of those choices will lead them to greater triumphs or the same old misery.
The Detroit Lions finally have a strong core, but the salary cap will prevent it from becoming an even stronger force. Impending unrestricted free agents in 2012 include defensive end Cliff Avril, linebacker Stephen Tulloch, defensive tackle Andre Fluellen, left tackle Jeff Backus, and backup quarterbacks Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton. But maybe the most important piece of the core is wide receiver Calvin Johnson. Johnson, 26, finished the 2011 season with 96 receptions for 1,681 yards and 16 touchdowns. He had another 12 catches for 211 yards and two touchdowns in the wild card game against the Saints. Johnson is the best receiver in the game, but is he the most important part of the core?
ESPN's Adam Schefter has reported Calvin Johnson's 2012 cap number will be nearly $22 million. With the 2012 salary cap projected to be just under $124 million, Johnson will consume 17.8 percent of the cap if he and the Lions do not reach a contract extension. The Lions and Johnson's agent are in the opening stages of contract negotiations, and while I'm hopeful an agreement can be reached, it must make sense for both sides. A cap number too large will hurt Lions team in the seasons ahead, while a cap number too low will result in Megatron leaving as an unrestricted free agent after next season, with nothing in return. If the Lions re-sign Calvin Johnson to a more lucrative deal than Larry Fitzgerald's eight year, $120 million contract, it will hurt the team. Fitzgerald owns an average cap hit of $15.22 million, and with Johnson expected to sign a new deal exceeding that number, it might not be the smartest business decision for the team. When looking at the last six quarterbacks to play in the Super Bowl, Drew Brees' cap hit was $10.8 million in 2009 and Peyton Manning's was $14 million, Ben Roethlisberger's was $8.05 million in 2010 and Aaron Rodgers' was $16.07 million, and Eli Manning's cap hit was $12.94 million in 2011 and Tom Brady's was $13.21 million. The last six quarterbacks to play in the Super Bowl owned an average annual cap hit of $12.52 million. If Calvin Johnson is signed to a contract with a cap hit exceeding Larry Fitzgerald's $15.22 million, when Matthew Stafford is an unrestricted free agent after the 2014 season, he will command a higher cap hit, which will create a very sticky situation. Calvin Johnson is expected to be offered an eight year deal worth north of $130 million, which would equate to an annual cap hit of $16.25 million, and that's not including any bonuses. Once Stafford's contract is up, he'll be looking for a contract close to seven years worth nearly $135 million, an annual cap hit of $19.3 million, with no bonuses. Two players signed for $35.55 million for the next seven years is on the brink of insanity, if not, blown over the edge. As is, Stafford and Johnson will eat up $37.54 million of the 2012 salary cap, leaving just $86.21 million for the other 51 roster spots.
Arguably, the best solution to this cap mess is trading Calvin Johnson. I know it's not a popular opinion, but in the salary cap era, tough decisions must be made. Calvin Johnson plays a luxury position, one in which the best players have proven time and time again the position is not the biggest need. It's not about having the best player at a particular position as it is having an adequate quantity of weapons in those positions. Instead of having one 1,500-yard receiver, I would rather have two that will total 1,600 or 1,700 yards, or three that will total 2,300 or 2,400 yards. Rather than having a 1,200-yard running back, I would rather have three running backs who can run for 600 yards each. By trading Calvin Johnson, you could net a bevy of talent at positions of greater need.
A sensible trade proposal that comes to mind is Calvin Johnson to Cleveland. Adding defensive tackle Corey Williams and a 2013 sixth round pick could net two first round picks, a second round pick, and a fourth round pick. With the trade proposal, Cleveland would net the best receiver in the game, a capable defensive tackle in Corey Williams, and could be in the mix for quarterback Peyton Manning. Detroit could net a franchise left tackle(Matt Kalil-USC) to protect Stafford or cornerback(Morris Claiborne-LSU), a restricted free agent receiver such as Mike Wallace or keep the pick and possibly draft a receiver such as Alshon Jeffery, a franchise center(Peter Konz-Wisconsin) or left tackle Mike Adams(Ohio State), and a very good linebacker(Lavonte David-Virginia Tech). In addition, Kyle Vanden Bosch should be given his release, and with the cap room the Lions would free both with the trade and Vanden Bosch's release, they could be in the mix for defensive end Mario Williams, cornerbacks Carlos Rogers and Cortland Finnegan, while also being able to re-sign defensive end Cliff Avril, linebackers Stephen Tulloch and DeAndre Levy, and defensive tackles Sammie Lee Hill and Andre Fluellen.
With the moves I am proposing, the Lions starting defense could feature: DE Mario Williams, DT Ndamukong Suh, DT Nick Fairley, DE Cliff Avril, OLB Justin Durant, ILB Stephen Tulloch, OLB Lavonte David, CB Carlos Rogers or Cortland Finnegan, CB Chris Houston or Morris Claiborne, FS Louis Delmas, and SS Amari Spievey. The Lions starting offense could feature QB Matthew Stafford, RB Mikel LeShoure, WR Mike Wallace or Alshon Jeffery, WR Titus Young, TE Brandon Pettigrew, TE Tony Scheffler, LT Matt Kalil or Jeff Backus, LG Rob Sims, C Dominic Raiola, RG Stephen Peterman, and RT Gosder Cherilus.
My 2012 draft with the moves I am proposing: 1st Round(4th): LT Matt Kalil-USC, 1st Round(22nd): C Peter Konz-Wisconsin, 1st Round(23rd): WR Alshon Jeffery-South Carolina, 2nd Round(36th): OLB Lavonte David-Virginia Tech, 2nd Round(55th): WR Stephen Hill-Georgia Tech, 3rd Round(87th): DT Mike Martin-Michigan, 4th Round(101st): WR Tommy Streeter-Miami(FL), 4th Round(120th): RB Chris Rainey-Florida, 5th Round(154th): SS Brandon Taylor-LSU, 7th Round(226th): QB Kellen Moore-Boise State, 7th Round(Compensatory Pick from Seattle): RB Lance Dunbar-North Texas. I would also pick up WR Keshawn Martin-Michigan State as an undrafted free agent if he becomes available.
Now is the time to be very frugal, and I believe these strategic moves will make the Lions a better team not only next season, but for several seasons beyond. The Lions can't afford to sign Calvin Johnson to a deal the same as Fitzgerald's, or one that exceeds it. I hope general manager Martin Mayhew and head coach Jim Schwartz realize this before they offer Calvin Johnson a new contract.
source: spotrac.com
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Missing the good old days.
Sad is the day when you have to have discussions about trading away possibly the best player on your team. No one ever had to think about trading away Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice. Nor did they even think about them leaving the team.
It is a real shame when umpteen millions is just “not enough” and umpteen millions + more millions is what is “required” – team is not what is important, but like the rest of American society it is and has been for years now simply “me”.
Retarded
this post is absolutely retarded. you don’t split up the #1 wideout and the youngest pure pocket quarterback in the game. You pay them whatever the hell they want and keep them together until they have nohing left in the tank. As far as I’m concerned Megatron is the reason why we even made the playoffs this year. You think a couple of unproven rookies would be worth trading away the most dominant WR of our era?
by D-Town Dope Boy on Feb 14, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Actually both those guys left their teams.
Irvin played his last year with Tampa Bay [he had nothing left] and Rice played his last five years with the Raiders and Seahawks, after fifteen years with the Niners. Rice had a couple of good years for the Raiders.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Pay Calvin as much as he wants
He is the best player in the NFL so he deserves it.
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The Lions will pay a fair amount to keep the best player in the NFL in Detroit.
Mayhew and Lewand will get this done.
I guess this is what we have to look forward to for the next six months or so. Rampant speculation on who we are going to trade away. At some point I am sure I am going to miss our yearly debate on “why a long snapper is a waste of a roster space” and “why we need a better tackling kicker”. LOL
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
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Avoid retread stories like this one.
Over and over… and soon to come… over and over again. Very bold of you to put your opinion out there… however, the good sports writers don’t. The ‘good ones’ play the devil advocate with popular belief, leaving the reader to decide.
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Good writers put out their opinions
BUT they back it up with stats, precedence, and logic. There is simply no logic or precedence in trading a franchise player just because “he is too expensive”. Not one. It’s honestly one of the dumbest ideas you can throw out there.
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by Latif Masud on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Amen.
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Defenses around the NFL will fall victim to the fatal disease "Natecalvintitus"
Has anyone actually seen Fritz's full contract
It was heavily front loaded, so now the remainder of his contract is very manageable. I believe Calvin stands to make 17.7 mil this season including bonuses. The remainder of Fritz’s contract he will not make more than 16.5(including bonuses) mil in any season. LINKY
My point is, that Lewand will need to be creative with Johnson’s contract. I have no doubts that a deal will be made, and it will not bankrupt or limit the Lions’ future.
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that's an interesting structure
I think we’ll see Lewy has to do something similar in fact. If he can push the pain of the contract away at least 1 season it opens up a lot of wiggle room. In fact if he can structure a minimum wage for 12 with a bonus and then a later applied single season bonus like Fitz got it is a good balance between long term and short term contract pain. Beyond that, if they can push the money out of ’12 it can open up a lot of options such as a high priced CB (screw Finnegan you ’aint worth 10m tho!) and keeping Avril.
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For arguments sake
your deal goes through. Now you targeted Kalil, but oops the Rams wanted a franchise LT to protect their young QB. No problem right, we grab Blackmon the best WR in the draft to take CJs place. But oops the Vikings have a need for WR and take him in front of us. Now what?
Now with the cap space, you think we can still sign Mario Williams(5th on top FA), Avril (10), Rogers (11), Finnegan (17), and Tulloch (20)? Plus go after a restricted FA in Wallace?
I love CJ and would like him to be a Lion, but I’m not opposed to trading him for the right deal. However, this one just doesnt make sense.
I feel like this will be this offseason's crappy debate that keeps on coming back
Again, what is the logic behind trading Calvin Johnson? You want him traded because he makes 22 mil in ONE SEASON? How about trying to resign him to a long term deal, so that you don’t have to lose him OR pay him huge sums of money.
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But think of all the #2 corners we could add if we just had an extra 18 million dollars in cap space!
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by David Tokarz on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh yeah
We could also get us a franchise punter, another franchise kicker, maybe a franchise fullback too!
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by Latif Masud on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
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I come ready, when I came out the womb I was ready, tell them mama that's why you had me, you knew I was ready. -Moss
Dominating your opposition physically is great and all, but confounding them mentally is sooo much more fun.
2-15-DEN 44(14:36) (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 47 for 3 yards (N.Suh). FUMBLES (N.Suh), RECOVERED by DET-N.Suh at DEN 47. N.Suh to DEN 47 for no gain (K.Moreno). FUMBLES (K.Moreno), recovered by DET-C.Houston at DEN 47. C.Houston to DEN 47 for no gain (O.Franklin). Denver challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) K.Moreno up the middle to DEN 49 for 5 yards (S.Tulloch).
Hey guys, we just made the playoffs!
Now lets tear this team down again and rebuild! Weren’t the rebuilding years fun? Drafting guys and hoping they might not suck so bad you start to hate their number? (I’m looking at you 88) So lets take all the guys we did hit on during the draft and trade them for pics! Then we can go back to the good ole’ decade of rebuilding! Yay!
by ATL Lion on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is the "My Pension Plan is Winning the Lottery" strategy at its worst.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I got a better one
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by Latif Masud on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol. I hope you don't give someone a seizure
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Pay him what he wants.
CJ is not only the best WR in the game, he is one of the highest character guys in the league. Though the value of his TD’s and receiving yards are explicit, his “lead by example” personality cannot be quantified. Also CJ brings nothing but good press to the Lions. Who hates on CJ?? (I suppose there was some dude named Cris Carter, but we all know he said that crazy stuff because he wanted the attention it garnered.)
If there is one thing we have learned about Mayhew, it is that he is shrewd. He will not overpay as the Patrick Peterson thing showed last year. He has said CJ’s contract is a priority and I have every faith he will figure out a solution that doesn’t cripple the Lions’ future.
Also, I understand the cap concerns with Stafford, but isn’t the cap supposed to make a big jump when the TV contracts come through?
"Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid."
- John Wayne
To add to that
This is the first time that CJ has made the playoffs. Prior to this season people had him pegged somewhere between top 5 and 10 WR in the game. Now most people have him as a solid #1. I don’t think he is going to ask for so much money to be paid in such a way that it would cripple the organization and hurt his chances at getting back to the playoffs. I also don’t think that he wants cash so bad he would leave the Lions if the Lions are close. Otherwise he is risking getting that money on the open market and have to have douchers like Rex Grossman or Chad Henne throwing to him.
Stay calm and carry on.
with all of Clevelands high picks
Why would it make sense for them to take on a player who’s cap number would hurt them?
It seems way early to suggest trading cj when there’s no indication that calvin’s not open to a deal that’ll work for him and the team.
It would be one thing if cj hadn’t been a model team mate with great production showing improvement each year, but he has…
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
SteveL
Do not worry about all the people making snarky comments about your ideas here. You will find that most people here love to play the; No see, No hear, No tell; attitude about salary cap issues. They fall in love with a player and forget that even the greatest players in NFL history moved on or were traded eventually.
I would sacrifice anyone on the roster before I gave up CJ, except Stafford. Having 4 players eating up more than 50% of your salary cap is not going to work. It will kill your depth at less flashy, but no less important to winning, positions.
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perfect example
It will kill your depth at less flashy, but no less important to winning, positions.
Last season when our secondary was a limping mash unit on the field giving up record numbers to backup QBs and getting torn apart like cheap paper towel by the Saints.
We all know mayhew wanted to trade up for Peterson in the draft. Anyone here thinking he was happy with our secondary to start the season is fooling themselves but we did not have the money to buy better players. We simply had too many holes and too much money tied up in our main players.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
He was not happy with his secondary because there had not yet been any free agency.
Chris Houston was an unrestricted FA, Alphonso was not looking too good and was on IR at the end of the season, Aaron Berry was a rookie with all of one quarter of experience before going on IR, and the rest of them were big question marks as well.
Who would be happy with that?
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
I would not be happy with that
and I am sure he was not happy with that either.
That is the point. We are already hearing about the Lions looking to finnegan when we are only losing one DB in FA possibly.
Mayhew knows the DBs are a weakness on this team and he is looking to upgrade the talent.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
All the coaches re-signed or put another way, totally bought into Martin/Jims plans
If anybody thought our number one weapon was moving on, I think somebody would be bailing out. Especially considering the reports that some of the position coaches were offered more money to coach other places. These guys are here, now, to try and win a ring in Detroit. This team should be pretty much in place for another two seasons.
Once Lewand does his reveal and shows us the re-arranged beans for the next season all this fan based hysterics concerning money will evaporate.
Whatever problems the Lions have had over the years and they be many, managing money has never been one of them.
Ask Jerry Jones….
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
we shall see
I hope you are right.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
CLF is entirely correct, Ford and his people know and do money exceptionally well
Because, where theres a will there’s a way. Fans forget that the Lions were well over the cap a week before the season… but somehow started the season below the cap…hmmmm….
Me thinks the Lions will be able and have the ability to make it happen.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
let's hope he has better rearranged beans than
or we’ll be feeling similar pain
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thats just wrong man
but funny as hell.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
He got his beans above the frank!!
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
How the hell did you get the beans above the frank boy?!?!
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
We've got a bleeder!
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
Sorry you are absolutely wrong on this count.
and forget that even the greatest players in NFL history moved on or were traded eventually
Can you name one of these Hall of Famers that was traded or left his team when he was playing the best football of his life and he was under twenty-seven years old, without any debillitating injury or serious character/legal issues?
Those Hall of Famers that were traded or let go were at the tail ends of their careers, on the downslide, or with off field issues that was making it impossible for them to continue with their current team.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Can you name one of these Hall of Famers that was traded or left his team when he was playing the best football of his life and he was under twenty-seven years old, without any debillitating injury or serious character/legal issues?
ZING!!!!!!!
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yawn
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
yup
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
yeah
but QB is a late blooming position normally.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
sorry man
not at 27 years old, No. But I did not say at age 27 in my post. Age is inconsequential in this situation. The fact is, great players do change teams, and it happens for one of two reasons more often than not. There is a capable player waiting in the wings (happens to QBs). Or the player costs more than the team is capable of paying (happens to other positions, WR is one of them).
CJ is scheduled to make 22 million with a cap hit of around 27 million this season. 22 million is 18% of the cap. 27 million is 22.5% of the cap.
Any team that ties that much money in one player that is not a QB is begging to lose games. And paying that much money to a QB is more often than not doing the same.
This will mean nothing if CJ restructures. Something I hope happens at a fair number for both sides. If for some reason he does not restructure/extend his contract, than all bets are off. No WR is worth those numbers. Hell, I am of the opinion that no WR is worth Fitz money.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
lets see theres TO and Randy Moss
As for any other future hofers
(to is debateable since he’s got the stats)
I can’t think of any traded, or cut while at the top and young….maybe namdi….
Once again, if you think Mayhew is doing well for the team then you should think the Lions will work this out in a smart way.
With the “new” nfl, who is to say over the next couple seasons a dominant wideout wont gain importance?
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am not convinced on mayhew yet
He has won so far but now the hard part starts. Almost any boob can stock a team with improving talent when it is barren.
Now he has to improve the team with limited cap resources with mostly legitimate starters all over the board.
Mayhew’s history as a GM is far from written yet. His story will be told in the next 2 or 3 years.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
I like the almost any boob line can stock a team… cause we all know one boob that couldnt do it!
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
Please note the
ALMOST
In that line. I refuse to say, type or even pronounce the letters that construct his name.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Oh I did…I was just making a joke referring to that boob..cause I think he explifies that word to a T.
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
lol
yeah, boob just about sums it up.
Fence post.
Tree stump.
ect…
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
So I don't get the end game here
Are you going to say we should trade CJ because he is a cap-cancer who will kill the team by paying him so much money?
Or are you fighting for the right to make that argument?
If option A: The top 10 draft pics for the past decade have crazy huge contracts. The Lions are stuck with more of them than any other team so we are feeling the effects of bloated contracts more than others. So lets go all in on the solution. We should trade Staff and Suh as well. Lets clean house, free up tons of $$$, and get a bunch of draft pics for proven guys. Then we own the draft the next two years (maybe 12 picks each year) and we restock and rebuild our team fro the new CBA era. I don’t buy the argument. Guys with overpriced contracts have to either play themselves to can’t-live-without status (as Staff and CJ did this year) or renegotiate down (like Heinz Ward).
If Option B- Then you should know better than anyone that people can make any crazy claim they want and people will debate it and put up silly pictures and such. Hey, they will even do that when the poster makes a good argument. You have been through this enough to know that. All your sound and fury signifying nothing.
If he ends up being a cap cancer, I want him traded yes.
and yes, I am arguing for the right to make that argument.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Sorry
CJ played himself to be untouchable with that last season. Agree or not, that’s fine. We don’t have another WR star on the team that we can go to if CJ walks. If you want to tlak cap cancer, then why not discuss cutting Staff or Suh as well? How far off of CJs contract is Staff?
well, Staff and Suh's contracts are not coming to a head
If I had my choice of the 4 cap eaters we have right now killing our numbers (Staff, CJ, Suh and KVB) my order of prefered slices would be KVB then Suh then CJ than Staff.
CJ is just getting this attention right now because he is going on a 22 million dollar season! It is not like we are the only ones talking about his money situation. Every NFL sport site worth its beans has talked about CJs numbers in the last month.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Name one.
All those HOFers that changed teams did so late in their careers when their value to their original team was extremely low.
ie. Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Lance Alworth, Tim Brown, Randy Moss, Herman Moore, Art Monk, James Lofton, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, ….I think that is enough.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
already did
Marshall Faulk.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Joshsun, you seemed to be implying that this happens frequently.
And you have to agree that it does not. Players do move on, but not normally when they are at the peak of their careers and under 27.
Calvin has at least four seasons of very high level play before I would expect to see any significant drop off in performance.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
I am not trying to imply that it happens often
but it does happen.
I do not want him gone. Kick KVB and Suh before him in my mind.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Yes, I agree with that.
Although as I mentioned below, the Lions can borrow from the CAP in 2013 or 2014 to cover any over expenditure this year. That is sounding like a good option to me.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
2014 sure, borrow from that season. that is the year the new TV deal kicks in
Which will also result in more commercials! Not really sure how they plan to pack more commercials into the games but that is another story.
The 2013 cap will not be much bigger than the one this season.
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-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
on top of that....
What did trading marshall do for the colts?….and marshall was unhappy with his contract…and plays a position where the average career is 2.5 yrs, while a good wr can play a long time because they don’t take the rb hits….
Id prefer to hear solutions on how to keep CJ since he’s been a home grown model Lion much like one of our other favorites Barry, rather than hear Lions fans clamoring to trade CJ.
KVB to me seems like a good place to start with restructering large contracts, even as a team leader.
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed but KVB also did a restructure last year. Tough to ask a veteran leader to keep taking less but if he is as much of a team as he appears to be he probably would do what he could as long hes still getting paid fairly.
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
his play seemed a little off this year
Maybe it was the scheme.
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He had a quiet good year
8 sacks I believe.
His best season in a while I think.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
like the oline two years ago
Stats were fine but eye test told me differently. He was upfield as a rb went by, plus he too has been labeled dirty, so maybe his leadership is to blame for Suh’s turn.
I don’t really believe that, im just saying
Since those qualities have been used against Suh
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well
our supposedly top 5 DE was up field as RB after RB ran by him too.
Run stopping is not either of their specialty. They are both extremely one dimensional.
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True tho Avril is in his 20s
And caused fumbles, got an int, and two Tds…so just a tiny bit better than kvbs season.
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
no doubt it was better than KVBs
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I agree I thought he had a quiet year...
but like Josh said below he had 8 sacks. I think his most glaring weakness was his offside penalties and combine that with Avril’s season and the Suh stuff through the season he kind of flew under the radar.
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
Ok, my mind is starting to wake up
How about marshal faulk
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He was traded from the Colts to the Rams.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Sorry, got cut off there.
That’s not a bad example exception to the rule that you found.
Faulk had five years in as a RB and had a great last year and some pretty good previous years too. I don’t know why he was traded. Let’s Wiki it, shall we?
Faulk was traded to the St. Louis Rams the following season due to problems he referred to as “misunderstandings.”[citation needed] Faulk had missed practices and was considered holding out for a new contract. Colts president Bill Polian did not want his young team’s chemistry damaged, so he traded Faulk for second- and fifth-round picks in the upcoming draft (used to draft LB Mike Peterson and DE Brad Scioli).
LINK:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Faulk
Maybe there were some “character” issues, or maybe it was just that Polian could be a bit of a controlling ass too. I am a little wishy washy on this example. I could go either way on this. It’s about as good an example as you might come up with.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
well, I am sure there are more
Faulk just popped into my mind.
We have to also remember, those were the days before the “greatest show on turf” that opened up the NFL passing offenses league wide. Back then, runners were much more important to a team than they are today.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
so we could get a brad scioli for cj!
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now come on
Just because Indy douched up that trade, do you really think if Mayhew had to trade him, he would do the same?
yeah, I did not think so either.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
just means the draft is a crap shoot
And the picks don’t insure a “pro player”….and on the last blockbuster trade we really only netted a beastly TE out of three picks.
Event NE stockpiling picks have missed…some wrs, some safety, some rbs…
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well
Sometimes, when you are backed into a corner, you have to take risks.
If CJ refused to re-sign to a cap friendlier deal (something I do not think would happen) than you really have no choice.
This is not about wanting to trade him, it is about having no other choice.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
we agree cj will sign cap friendly huge deal!
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ok then
Why is everyone flipping out?
This is fan site. We talk about the most minut of details ala Lions.
No matter how unlikely this seems, it is something that could happen. People love money.
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That's reasonable
But some sound ..while making a point…that the outcome is already set… Which I think is the point of the post…
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I can see that
It is not written in stone but the options are dwindling as we speak.
We need cap space.
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Sorry, trying to trade Calvin when the Lions are in a "CAP crisis" is not a recipe for success.
The Lions would not be trading from a position of strength. That is probably the same reason that the Colts got robbed on the deal for Faulk.
Polian was generally a pretty shrewd guy. He really liked Mayhew and recommended him for the Lions GM job.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
CJ is a next level talent
No matter the position, we would be in the drivers seat of a trade.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Faulk's numbers weren't that great before being traded
He had one HUGE season (the last one), and was already 26 (which is pretty old for a RB) when traded
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Faulk was OROY
4 of 5 season were 1000+
He was a star in Indy before being traded. I think he was traded because he was threatening to hold out.
Are you crazy
The man had over 1k rushing yards 4 of his first 5 seasons. His fifth season was about 100 yards more than his second highest season with the colts.
Please man, you are discounting Faulk! Are you out of your mind?
He was on his way to a HOF career before being traded.
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my man
Faulk is my favorite RB in NFL history. I wore 28 in football because of him, but 1K for a running back really isn’t that big of a deal. He wasn’t fully utilized until he went to St. Louis
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I dont know man
1k if the line RBs have to pass to be remembered. Even back then
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
But we could get three guys who can run for 600 yards
Per this post
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
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The poster said you could have three guys that run for 600 yards
With the cap space
alter ego "ErnieSimsMadeMeDo" UndaDawg
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not what I would be looking for
but to each their own.
I would be looking for one horse to add to our RBs and then adding a ton of depth in places like OL, DB and LBs
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-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
It also seems like we got guys that can do 600
But I think rb need to get in a rhythm too…so need carries.
A change of pace or specialty back doesn’t need carries
alter ego "ErnieSimsMadeMeDo" UndaDawg
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
he was a good player
but NOT HOF potential. like a slightly better version of fred jackson (last 3 years, anyway). a really nice player. he only became a HOFer because of his time in STL
Bob Brown, drafted by the Rams in '64, traded to the Raiders in '69...he's HOF class of '04
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
scuse me, remembered that wrond, Eagles, Rams then Raiders
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
The fact is, it happens
Like it or not.
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Oh, I like it just fine, thought you might like an obscure but undeniable confirmation for your posit
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
It is obscure and undeniable
Kudos man!
You win my prize of the day!
Not really sure what that is……
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Yumm, now Im hungry, thanks Dawg...lol
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
damn man, that looks fantastic
Ok, running across the street for a candy bar. Bet they don’t have those!
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had to settle for a snickers
grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Id pert near give my left nut for an old Milkshake bar...
Snicks are good though.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
here you go
You are not alone my friend….
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Last one I saw, purchased and gobbled
was in some little podunk town on the Oregon coast back in the late ‘70s/early 80’s. Those things were just the baddest little mamma jammas to ever come over the candy counter.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I remember them
and yeah, they were bad ass.
Never understood their disappearance.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Allergic to peanuts
But I seetheres a snickers with almonds
alter ego "ErnieSimsMadeMeDo" UndaDawg
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
ok so it happned in the 60's
and the 90s, so we have another 10 years before someone is stupid enough to trade away a guy playing at the top of their game.
I mean, how many Colts fans were happy with the guys they got in return? Let alone that the Colts knew they were in a good position to replace Faulk in the draft (and we are not in that position with CJ).
No kidding. Mike Peterson and Brad Scioli(?).
Wow. Sign me up for the “trade Calvin for a Linebacker and a roster cut” train.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
the fact is
We do not know what position we would be in to replace him because there is little doubt that we would get 2 or 3 #1s.
Look, I am not saying I want CJ to be trades. I am saying that it does and has happened and if we have to I am not going to lose my shit over it.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
I would totally lose my shit if they traded CJ
I don’t care how many #1s we get. This is not a great WR year and we don’t have anyone capable of stepping into his shoes on the roster. Our whole offense is built around passing the ball and having a great matchup somewhere because they have 3 guys on CJ. Take that away and you might as well start the rebuilding process all over again.
by ATL Lion on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I do not agree
but I understand your concerns.
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I am with ATL here.
This goes totally against the philosophy of Mayhew and Schwartz not to give up highly talented playmakers.
Really, trading CJ would go down in history as one of the dumbest moves of all time. Mayhew is far too smart to do that.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
maybe best example
Would be Herschel Walker in terms of magnitude of a trade for Cj
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would not be enough for me
maybe 1/2, maybe 60% of enough?
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He is a good example
But he is also some sort of mutant freak head case. He had one good year in the NFL before being traded.
However, if we can get the Vikes to give up their next 3 drafts and 1/2 their roster for CJ, I would be in for that trade.
Let's hope the half includes redneck, ap, and percy
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha!
Can you imagine if Jared Allen was traded to Detroit?? That would be freakin’ hilarious!
I can’t think of a better way to piss him off! (Meaning, I’m all for it.)
"Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid."
- John Wayne
The ultimate compliment to a player
You hate his so much, you would be thrilled to have him on your team. Both for his production and for his hate of your city.
He would love it in Michigan in 2 weeks after going fishing 3 blocks from his new home. He just does not know how wild Michigan really is. His redneck ass would love it.
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-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
I'm about to get crazy this offseason
For example… Let’s trade Logan for two 3rd round picks
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Bettis was traded because the Rams changed their Offensive philosophy.
They went to a pass oriented attack and Bettis was being wasted [637 yards rushing in 1995 after two years over 1,000 yards]. He was asked to become a fullback or be traded and he opted for the trade. Much to the Steelers delight.
They traded him with a third round pick, for a second and a fourth round pick.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
As per Wiki.
LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Bettis
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Bettis, how did I not think of him.
His situation is a little different but his talent was there for everyone to see.
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a two time Pro Bowler and on time All-Pro before he was traded.
Charles Aaron "Bubba" Smith 1945 - 2011 R.I.P.
exactly
It does happen.
Damn, looking back. Detroit should have gotten in on that! We would have had 3 years of Barry and Bettis!
Could you imagine?
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Barry and a real QB....no no, dont wake me up, Im dreaming..Lions win a third straight SB....
Huh? Bettis? Yeah, sure that would have been cool
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the knock on Barry
He never had the complimentary RB that would plow for 1 or 2 yards. You add Bettis to those teams back then and you have SBs. I really believe that.
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Well now, that sorta opens up the proverbial worm can
Barry would rather have been drawn and quartered and liver fried with onions than to split reps. Our Peyton, sorta.
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
True
but the competitor in Barry allowed the team to spread his snaps in short yardage almost his entire pro career to lesser talent than Bettis.
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Hadn't thought of him either
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
It really does happen
and I will bet money are are all forgetting players on this list.
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There is another way out of this mess. Albeit temporary.
The Lions will need to find ways to shave from that total, whether it’s borrowing from future caps — a tool now available in the NFL’s new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) — or reducing the cap figures in existing contracts.
- Kevin Seifert of ESPN LINK: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/38433/leading-questions-nfc-north-2
So if the CAP is going to rise substantially, would the Lions consider taking some of that rise right now to provide temporary relief?
That sounds like an interesting option, in combination with some restructuring and letting a few guys go too.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Which is why topics like this GET snarky replies....
lol…
Because, where theres a will there’s a way. Fans forget that the Lions were well over the cap a week before the season… but somehow started the season below the cap…hmmmm….
Me thinks the Lions will be able and have the ability to make it happen.
http://twitter.com/#!/rumbulls
and signed e wright, tulloch, durant
alter ego "ErnieSimsMadeMeDo" UndaDawg
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's exactly the option
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
A lil help....
Where is there a good site for NFL salary cap info,….I have one for my hockey passion just not for football
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/justin-durant/
and
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/average/defensive-tackle/
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I like and use this one.
LINK: http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/
It is pretty handy, but I cannot attest to its infallibility. I have not cross checked it with other sites.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Thanks guys much appreciated.
They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!
My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),
You are welcome.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
dumb article
I dont know why people think its smart to trade our best player for unproven draft picks,we have been rebuilt many times in the last decade or so lets not do it again when were this close. Find a way to get a deal done and worry about the rest. I dont care if we Trade or release cory williams to save cap space. What are we going to have this conversation in a couple years when stafford and suh contracts are up im sure we could get more unproven draft picks for them to. stupid
by go lions @ go zags on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions
stupid
Meh, beats talking about going one and done in the playoffs. And gives folks a chance to post funny pics..
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
and there you go.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
I gotta learn how to post pics
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Right click on the image, select copy image location or whatever your browser provides thats appropriate
click on the little green tree on the right side of the tool bar and copy the pic location into the pop up window
preview it to make sure you’ve got it right
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
the reply box toolbar
little green tree on the right side of the tool bar
"Common Sense, isn't" Solomon Short
by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 13, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Is that for images found online or on your computer?
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
online
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Hells yea
Made my day yp!
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Ha I remember a month ago when I posted a thread basicly saying the same thing
That the Lions have some tough choices and trading CJ might be thought.
Me and a good friend went back and forth on this idea and he actually convinced me that Trading Suh would be the better idea.
His main point was that you don’t trade what could be one the best QB to WR combo’s of all times, and having them both in their prime. Suh even having a down year to his standards, ?"doesn’t it seem funny to say that for a player in his second year?" is still probably worth close to a kings ransom to the right team. Will we get CJ market Value no but probably could get 2 first round picks from many teams.
Even by letting Avril walk this FA period it’s still gonna be hard to keep all three under contract and still getting pieces that put us closer to a SuperBowl. Does Mayhew have a plan this offseason yes, but be for warned. A major move is coming that some or a lot of fans won’t like, but will be done to keep Detroit a winning franchise for many seasons to come.
A major move is coming that some or a lot of fans won’t like
Been saying this for a long while. This cap issue is not going to be resolved by restructuring a few contracts. Someone is going to have to take a sizable cut or move on to another team. It is really that simple.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Maybe we can trade him for.......
those 2 receivers that are better than him in Dallas????
Blahahhahahaaa!!!!!!!!
By the way
I think everyone (including me) is missing something here. Education-wise, we have some of the most highly educated front office personnel in the NFL. Schwartz has an economics degree from Georgetown, Lewand has three degrees from Michigan, including an MBA and Law degree. Mayhew has a law degree from Georgetown as well. You’re gonna try to tell me that these three people— two of the with business related degrees— won’t know how to do something as simple as fit a bunch of players under a cap?
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They have a lot of tools to use to keep who they want.
They just may not keep everyone that WE [or some of us] want.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
If you ask me there are two players on this team you absolutely cannot trade
And they are Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson. I would pay 16-18 mil if I had to to keep him, I am not sure you have to. However the chemstry and excellence those two have and will bring to the table for years to come are greater than not only any other players on this team, but many players on other teams. I cannot think of another receiver and quarterback I would rather have. And yes I am dead serious about that.
The chemistry they have in complimentary talents, that being the deep ball are something that can be a cornerstone of a championship offense for years to come. Now if only we could build a run blocking line so play action would be on the table more often…..
As much as I love Ndamukong Suh, I would probably trade him before Calvin. There are other guys in the league who can do what Suh does, and several of them. I don’t think there is anyone in the league who can do what Calvin does.
He is our nuclear weapon, he is our modern day Barry Sanders, he is the elite of the elite, and he will be for several years. The trick is finding a way to keep him along with enough other talent to be a true team and not a one trick pony.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
And what did the Lions do with Barry? Look, if you read between the lines, I’m not advocating trading Megatron, but the fact is this is a salary cap era. He must sign a cap-friendly deal or they must trade him. These aren’t the Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice days, you can’t pay players whatever you want anymore. And I’ll just say Calvin will bring the biggest package in return.
There are other guys in the league who can do what Suh does
I think we already have one on our team, his name is Nick Fairly
by msivits on Feb 14, 2012 7:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Disagree with the first quote
Agree with the second line.
There aren’t too many DT’s that can do what Suh does consistently. But Fairley has that potential to do just that, and maybe be even better.
Aaron Berry > Eric Berry
When anyone says, "I’ll kick your ass" its implied that they’ll be using Hanson’s leg. -Leonuro
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I am sold on Fairley having a higher ceiling than suh
IF
he can get and stay healthy.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
His first step is
SICK FAST.
He makes Suh look slow and CWill look ancient.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Fairley's a speed player like Sapp.
Suh’s always been a strength player. I think Suh made a mistake by trying to “speed up” his game when it’s not his real advantage.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
true to a point
One of the things he was touted as, coming out, was his speed for a guy of his strength.
Now he loses weight, to gain more speed, and he looks slow next to a rookie DT. I am telling you, Fairley can be better than Suh, if he can get healthy and stay that way.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
I disagree on that statement
I think Suh will have a better career than Fairly, In the end it might be like saying John Elway had a better career than Steve Young. I just think Suh changed how he played this year, then the stomp issue came about, I look for him to go back to 8-10 sacks next year. With us or someone else…
That is some fun company to be among
I could see this happening of the both are able to stay healthy. They have a long way to go.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
Listen,
When Larry Fitzgerald says you should make more than Larry Fitzgerald, YOU DO NOT GIT RID OF THAT GUY! Period. Ahhh! My $.02 – Cha-Ching!
"WR Brandon "I'll stab you bitch" Marshall (who finally got stabbed himself for once) had 10 catches for 102 yards and no TDs". - KDAWG
Yeah great I'm sure his agent is getting that quote ready for Mayhew
You mise well buy Mayhew a bottle of lube and tell him to put his mind in a different place, because the rape scene CJ agent is gonna pull is gonna be worse than a rape scene in American me or the HBO series OZ. It’s gonna be hard to watch…
LOVE HOW ONLY A FEW MANAGED TO READ THIS PARAGRAPH...
“The Lions and Johnson’s agent are in the opening stages of contract negotiations, and while I’m hopeful an agreement can be reached, it must make sense for both sides. A cap number too large will hurt Lions team in the seasons ahead, while a cap number too low will result in Megatron leaving as an unrestricted free agent after next season, with nothing in return. If the Lions re-sign Calvin Johnson to a more lucrative deal than Larry Fitzgerald’s eight year, $120 million contract, it will hurt the team. Fitzgerald owns an average cap hit of $15.22 million, and with Johnson expected to sign a new deal exceeding that number, it might not be the smartest business decision for the team.”
And that quote came directly from who? God?
The Lions can’t afford to sign Calvin Johnson to a deal the same as Fitzgerald’s, or one that exceeds it.
- SteveL1003
You say that, but that does not make it true. Mayhew, Lewand, and Schwartz have a far better idea than us what they can or cannot afford, and also who they want to keep or add to this team. We can speculate all we want and it is only our opinion which way they will go, but historically, the top players in the NFL that are still under 27 years old, are not traded or released just because of CAP issues. It just does not happen very often, if at all.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
Do some research before posting...
If they do go into next offseason with CJ as an UFA, then they can simply franchise him. I doubt is the type of player to pull a hissy fit like Julius Peppers and Lance Briggs and threaten to not play at all. It would be expensive, around 27 mil to be exact, but that could be compensated since Corey Williams’s contract comes off the books anyways. Worst comes to worst, we say bye bye to someone like Nate Burleson or KVB or Raiola. There are a gazillion ways to keep Calvin around. The idea of trading the second best player on your team for draft picks WHILE he is still young and productive and not a locker room cancer is simply stupid.
Besides, if some team does happen to reach a deal with Calvin while he is franchised, the Lions would get back two first round picks, which is pretty much the same thing you proposed, so why exactly should we even be concerned with this at all? This isn’t the NBA or MLB. The term “free agency” is a very loose one in the NFL. Actual big time free agents can almost never more around the NFL easily without their former team receiving compensation in some form.
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by Latif Masud on Feb 15, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
YOU WANT RESEARCH...
I’LL GIVE YOU RESEARCH. The 2012 Salary Cap is projected to be the same $120.375 it was in 2011. Right now, the Lions have 33 players signed for $122,760,121. They already are over $2 million over the cap, and have 20 roster spots to fill. So let’s just say Calvin agrees to an eight year extension worth $130 million(Fitzgerald’s was eight for $120 million), his annual cap hit average would be $16.25 million, keep in mind this includes no performance bonuses that are sure to be included. The $16.25 million average would lower the total cap spent to $115.625 million, leaving $4.75 million to spend on the same 20 roster spots. Then you’ll find fans who say, “Just release anyone you have to so you’re able to maintain Stafford and Megatron, because that tandem can win a Super Bowl, the other 51 players are virtually useless.” So let’s say they cut Vanden Bosch(who would cost nothing to release), that would free up $5 million. That gives you $9.75 million to now sign 21 players, and creates a hole on your front four. Then let’s say you want to release Best because of his concussion issues, Burleson because we have Titus, and Durant and Scheffler because “they didn’t play to their expectations,” and then we release Houston, Hanson, Wendling, Heller, Hogue, Fox, and Culbreath. That frees up a total of $14,725,600, and now gives you $24,475,600 of cap space, but now you have 32 roster spots to fill. Then free agency comes, and you’re able to retain only Tulloch, at a $4.25 million price tag—31 roster spots with 24,050,600 to spend. Then the draft comes and you spend $5,471,000 on seven draft picks and an undrafted free agent. That leaves you with $18,579,600 to sign 23 players. Now your offensive starters are QB Stafford, RB LeShoure, WR Calvin, WR Titus, TE Pettigrew, LT Fox, LG Sims, C Raiola, RG Peterman, & RT Cherilus. Now you have Fox as your starting left tackle and need to add an undrafted receiver or tight end to fill out your starting offense. On defense, your starters now are DE Young, DT Suh, DT Fairley, DE Jackson, LB Hogue, CB Smith, CB Berry, FS Delmas, & SS Spievey. Now you have two holes to plug at linebacker, two holes at Corner, and a hole at strong safety. So you decide to bring RFA Levy($1.75MM) back, along with Houston($4MM), Durant($3.25MM), and Hanson at a discount($2.25MM). Now you have $7,329,600 to sign 19 players. So now you are forced to fill out the rest of your roster with undrafted free agents at $402,500 each, and even after you do that, you are still over the cap…53 players for $120,692,900, not to mention you just destroyed the depth you had built up the past three seasons. Under my plan, I’m trading Calvin if his contract prevents me from making the team better. You act like I want to trade Calvin to spite the team. With my trade proposal, I’d get a franchise left tackle in Matt Kalil to protect Stafford for his career, I’d get a center in Peter Konz to pair with Kalil who would anchor the O-Line for the next decade, and I’d also get a solid wide receiver with great potential in Alshon Jeffery, and I would get all these guys, whether drafting them, or trading up further to draft them. Also, with the deal, I am able to acquire another solid receiver in free agency such as Brandon Lloyd or Vincent Jackson, while also being able to acquire Mario Williams, Carlos Rogers, and keeping Avril and Tulloch here in addition to role players like Levy, Fluellen, and Sammie Hill. Calvin is a great player, great person, but his new deal will determine what kind of player he truly is, a money player, or a team player…a championship player or a greed player.
kind of true, kind of meh
First off you’re assuming Cj’s contract would be an even amount each year. Even if you go with that assumption, which has 0% chance of being the case, you can easily free it up. Let’s say they apply just 1/2 of next years salary as a bonus instead. That hits the cap 1m a yr for 8yrs. Now you just added in enough to make your scenario work (I think, honestly it was really hard to pick apart the exact figures due to the structure of your huge P)
Bottom line: it’s not as bleak as you think. They might well have to make a hard cut, trade, or walk or two. They don’t have to get nuclear and blow shit up tho either in the form of CJ or all those other “smaller” cuts you mention.
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
Again, DO MORE RESEARCH!! lol
NFL deals DO NOT work the way you mentioned. You don’t take average cap hit because the deal that players sign increase in cap hit progressively, which is why Calvin’s 2012 cap hit (thelast year on his current deal) is so huge. Plus, the salary cap in the NFL is always growing. 2011 was the first year since the introduction that the cap didn’t increase from what I know, and that was because the new CBA set in new terms of how the cap is calculated and allotted. On top of that, the NFL’s revenue margins will increase by quite a margin when the TV deals are put in place, which will further increase the cap.
Plus, here are the deal that will be coming off the books between 2012 and 2014: Nate Burleson and his 4.5M per year cap, KVB and his 5M, Corey Williams and his 5M. So between the three of them, the Lions will be able to free up about 15M in cap space by 2014. I doubt all three of them will make it to 2014 though will their age and contract size. My guess is both of them are gone next offseason when they need to resign players like Pettigrew and Delmas.
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by Latif Masud on Feb 17, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Interview with Lions beat writer Dave Birkett
You do realize the Lions are already over the cap right? They have 33 players currently signed for $122.76 million, and there already are reports that the salary cap will stay the same at $120.375. I still think it could increase slightly, and we’ll know for sure later this week at the combine. But what alarms me, and should alarm others as well, is that if the Lions signed every player that was on their roster this past season who is a free agent now, they would be $35.4 million over the cap. When you mix in the cost to keep Avril, Tulloch, Shaun Hill, and Jeff Backus, you’re looking at a situation in which you’re close to $45 million over the cap. And even if Calvin accepted an eight year, $130 million deal, and his first season he makes just $1 million, you’re still $25 million over the cap. That means, you’re going to lose guys. And if it’s what I’m expecting, that includes losing Avril, Tulloch, Backus, Levy, Burleson, and Vanden Bosch, Sammie Hill, and Corey Williams, amongst others. Losing all those guys leaves a 2012 cap of 25 players signed with just $9.6 million of cap space to sign 28 players. I’m telling you right now, and it’s just my opinion, the Lions will regress in 2012. They are in very tight spot, and call me crazy, but trading Megatron could be the best way out of it. And if you think I’m one of the only people who thinks the Lions are in a major bind, watch this interview with Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press, and Lions beat writer.
great video
thanks.
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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!
I'm not advocating...
Look, I’m not advocating trading Calvin. I want him to be here, and now that the Lions have shown him they are committed to winning, it’s up to him if he plans to stay here and ascend to the next level of division championships, and the game played the first Sunday in February, whatever that is. If I was Mayhew, I’d offer Calvin a three-year, $43 Million extension. That would lessen his cap hit, by $7 Million, and would allow the Lions to sign Avril and Tulloch to long-term extensions. And for Calvin to accept the deal, I would give him all the money guaranteed, and he would then become a free agent once again in 2015, when he will be 29, young enough to still command another six-year deal at top dollar. The room freed after releasing Vanden Bosch and Corey Williams, another $11.1 Million could allow the Lions to pursue free agent corners Carlos Rogers(SF) or Brandon Carr(KC). If Calvin wasn’t willing to take that deal, the Lions must seriously think about trading him for the better of the team. He’s the best receiver without question, but he’s not the be-all-end-all. If that were true, the Lions wouldn’t have a 25-55 record in the five seasons since he was drafted. And would you rather keep Calvin, even if it means paying him more than any quarterback in the league, at the expense of Cliff Avril, Stephen Tulloch, Sammie Hill, Andre Fluellen, & DeAndre Levy this off-season? And then Louis Delmas, Chris Houston, Justin Durant, & Willie Young next off-season? That’s nine players, all on defense, and how can you replace all of them, in two off-seasons, not to mention needing to sign a back-up quarterback and third-stringer this off-season, a suitable replacement for Backus(torn biceps and pectoral muscle in last two seasons). Offer Calvin three years, $43 million, and if he accepts, you have the ability to keep every one of those guys, in addition to a guy like Carlos Rogers, making the team better(when you also include the new draft class) for at least the next five seasons, if not beyond. One way or another, this off-season and the results on the field next season will determine just how good Martin Mayhew and Tom Lewand are.
Also for those that want to trade calvin johnson
Right now, he has 49 career receiving touchdowns at 26 years old. If he has another 16 TD season next season, he will have 65 overall, which is the same amount Michael Irvin had in his ENTIRE career. CJ is well on his way to being one of the best receivers in NFL history, so really is a couple of extra mil really too much for a player like that?
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they're making the argument to trade him
proposing the scenarios and what he might be worth in a trade
and who they could possibly sign with the free cap money.
that’s just in this thread
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 17, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I guess my main feeling is somthing big has to be done to create cap space to sign CJ and other FA we need
Re-signing CJ to a mega deal, and yes he will be getting a mega deal. Then having Stafford and Suh there’s just no money left over, we still need to re-sign Tulloch, we have a hand full of other guys we need to sign. I already know Avril is gonna walk, I guess my thought is were very close to a Superbowl right now, maybe we go for broke this year keep all our players and try to make the road to the superbowl through Detroit.
teams restructure with players quite a bit
which is also why a guy like Avril is also
kind of forced to take his best money deal… they know
it is not guaranteed, and they could be asked to restructure.
Those three guys are young, and have plenty of years to spread their cap hit-
plus I find it likely they don’t want to cripple the franchise.
There are teams with more than one star player on their roster, so it stands to reason
that the Lions and players will work this out.
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
First I would pay Calvin $20 mil for next year...
…and then I’d pay him a million bucks for the next 120 yrs.
Just livin' the dream...
SOME FUZZY NUMBERS...
Here are some fuzzy numbers for fans who are willing to do whatever it takes to keep Megatron here. Since 1995, no team with the leading receiver in yards has gone on to win the Super Bowl. Of those 17 teams, seven did not qualify for the playoffs, five lost in the first round, and one went to the conference championship game before faltering. Oh, and by the way, those were all in the pre-Salary Cap days. The way to win championships, and it has been proven through the test of time over and over again, is to play defense. In my opinion, I love seeing the Lions win a game 14-12, rather than eek out a shootout. I am firm in my belief that if the Lions do not lower Calvin’s cap hit by a significant margin($6-7 million), they will be a weaker team next season. I’m willing to offer him a three-year, $43 million extension with all the money guaranteed, and if he’s looking for more, then it’s in the team’s best interest to trade him now, while he’s at his peak value. Now obviously you don’t replace Calvin, but let me give you four names the Lions could have in the fold for years to come, if they were to trade him…Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Carlos Rogers, and Stephen Tulloch. Combined, those players are projected to make $25 million, just over Calvin’s 2012 cap hit of $22 million. And if you release Vanden Bosch and Corey Williams, that would relieve another $11 million, and with that freed money, you’d be able to acquire a receiver such as Vincent Jackson, Reggie Wayne or Brandon Lloyd, and keep in mind the draft picks you would acquire by trading Calvin…two first round picks, and a second or third round choice as well. So basically what I’m proposing is Calvin signs a three-year extension for $43 Million with all guaranteed, or trade him essentially for Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, Stephen Tulloch, Carlos Rogers, a free agent receiver, two first round picks, and a second or third round choice. To me, it’s not a question if he’s seeking more than my offer, with the return you’d be able to get. But that’s me, and the Lions’ brass doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to make that type of move, because a lot of fans would be all bent out of shape. I have my opinion of what I believe the team should do, and you have yours., but in the end, we all strive for the same goal, a Lions Super Bowl Banner raised at Ford Field.
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