Profilers Offensive Line Concerns
Never let my love for the Phonz overshadow the fact that Matthew Stafford has been and always will be my boy! With that said like the secondary I have several concerns about the offensive line. Can they continue to protect Matt against the elite pass rushers ? Is there one guy who can open a run lane for Best and Leshoure next season. What about the penaltys? So here is a similar breakdown like my previous post of the often underrated and also overrated Detroit Lions Offensive line.
*Warning* Stephen Peterman is mentioned in the following post.
Jeff Backus - The Left tackle and while over they years I admit to being harsh on Jeff. With comments "Our left tackles name is Holding seventy six". With the addition of a left gaurd his game has improved but I can't help but feel that when it comes to the NFC best pass rushers Jeff Backus can't even hold his own in the 4th. Peppers, Allen and at his best Matthews has been known to own Backus late in games. His age must be considered a growing concern now it is time to make a decision about who the left tackle is. Backus is a free agent and while I see him being a Lion next year I also feel it is in our best intrest to see what the market hold at left tackle. The draft must also be studied very hard. I have a growing concern that my hopes of Fox being the future left tackle will never happen. We know Cherilus isn't the guy. It is now time to find out who is the guy to protect number nines blind side for the rest of his career. Backus should return but I think 2012 should be the year he must earn the right to remain the left tackle.
Rob Sims - Can't say much about Rob he honestly is the only true starting lineman I have almost no concerns with. He's not a monster in the run game or a dancer in the pass game. Truth is Rob is just a good well rounded player. Like with adding him for Backus adding a young talented left tackle will only improve his game. He will never be a special player but he will always show up. Which is what you need in a offensive lineman Consistency..remember this word going forward.
Dom Raiola - Oh Dom possible the most underrated player on the line in some ways. Physically he will always be out matched and always has been. Dom is a tremndous leader ( ask titus Young ) and very intelligent player on the line. Physically though Doms leadership and intelligence can only take him so far and as he gets older and his skills fade. Dom will continue to be a weak link on the line. I almost hate to be negative about Dom because I love his vocal leadership and I love the way he sticks up for his players. Did he flip off Lions fans..DAMN RIGHT HE DID and I loved the fact that he did it but I'm probably alone. Dom needs to saty with the Lions to be that Jon Jansen leader and the guy that can step in at anytime. The day is coming where we need to add our Pouncey or Saturday truth is Doms body just dosen't posess what it needs to to be a force at center. His size is now a bigger liabillity as he reaches the end of his career.
Stephen Peterman - What can I say about Stepehen Peterman...Well I'll start with the truth. I have never liked Peterman from day one but my disdain has only grown for this man. Sure he had a decent year...again and then next year he will probably tank and the year after he will do fair for part of the year. Fact of the matter is Peterman lacks the one this ALL succesful offensive lineman starting in the NFL must posess. CONSITENCY! No matther what you excuse is be it injury or just bad play. From year to year and sometimes even game to game you don't know if you getting an average NFL gaurd or a poor college center. I need to know who my right gaurd is every week and every off season. Peterman will never be that for me it is time to replace him. While Decastro may not be an option there are plenty of other gaurds better than Peterman. I'd rather trade and get 1 to 2 years of Steve Hutch at his age than one more season of Peter tears.
Gosder Cherilus - An Inigma, wraped in a riddle, wraped in a vest. Ok so he isn't Nelson Mutnz but you get my point. Who or what is Gosder anyways? Every year we say this is the year and every year I pull for Gosder to really make that jump. Will he ever make that leap to the right tackle I know he can be? I love Gosders attitude he is the bad boy on the O line and nobody will push him around ( In his mind anyways ). If you ever seen the NFL commercial with Jared Allen singing on some ladys doorstep I always picture Gosder Whoopin his ass on her front lawn and the cops show to break it up. I think Gosder would benifit from a big force at gaurd some one who is a road grader up front. Is Gosder a bust ? I am slowly admiting to myself year by year that he is. Can he play in the NFL no question and can he be a Lion for years to come you bet. Gosder will never be the Left tackle for the Lions and he will never be a monster right gaurd. He's always just gonna be Gosder Cherilus for what we know him to be...I'm ok with that. He's not the strength of the right side nor is he the weakness. Get the boy a big time right gaurd and he will bring his hard hat and lunch bucket every sunday. Thats all I can ask for from him.
My biggest concern for the O line probably rest as a unit though. They all need to step up there run game. You can feed me the " We don't run the ball" B.S all you want the fact of the matter is we can't. A run game helps us control the clock, protect Stafford, keep defenses honest and close out games. I love that Stafford can effectively throw for 5,038 yards in the season. I just don't want him to be required to ever again. My ideal offseason change would see Peterman replaced by a monster like Decastro at gaurd. Or maybe someone like Knoz as well. The O line on it's best day is average. Average is never gonna be good enough for me especially when your responsible for protecting the franchise..Matthew Stafford. I like Corey Hilliard as a backup and I still belive Fox has some value but if we can upgrade our starters at 1 or 2 spots our depth will automaticaly jump a mile from last year. It's time for the Line to just get some fresh blood in it and to finally find an anchor.
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I look forward to the day when Sims becomes an RG.
When Sims is our worst lineman (as RGs usually are), that will be a good day.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Amen brother
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by The Profiler on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm totally with you in spirit on this
They really do need to get the fresh blood in and find that anchor. I believe that anchor is literally right in the middle tho and the road to rebuilding the line leads right through Raiola… just like most any NT. I’ll agree he has the fire, knowledge, and desire to really be good and to be a great influence on his replacement. I also believe he would be an able and willing mentor type guy. I firmly believe if they believe they see his replacement in this draft that has to be priority 1. Not that it has to mean a round 1 pick tho.
I would like to see a complete, or near complete (Sims might cut it) overhaul of the line on a 2-3 year period. There will undoubtedly be some growing pains in getting desired cohesion with the line but it’ll be worth it. IMO, from this point the longer they put off the pain of rebuilding the line the further it takes them from the promised land, not brings them closer to it.
BTW, while I’m not as down on Peterman and especially Backus I’m ready for them to find their replacements asap as well. You nailed it with Peterman, he shows solid flashes and has that promise, but I don’t trust him for the long haul (not as much as I don’t trust Phonz any more tho…) I actually like Backus and wouldn’t be mad if he started again next year if need be, and he’s healthy. Obviously his end is drawing near tho.
Individuals should protect themselves. Governments can't protect individuals from themselves, it's just impossible, otherwise they become a tyranical state. -Ron Paul
Could he become long snapper?
alter ego "ErnieSimsMadeMeDo" UndaDawg
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Feb 15, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
He ls'ed a few years back when Muhlbach was hurt and it was pretty damn ugly, as I recall
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by YpsilantiJeff on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, there are some issues with respect to our O Line.
But overall they are performing at an above average level in the NFL in sacks allowed/pressure and below average at running the ball. And given our strength in the skill positions, that type and level of performance is a good match for the Lions.
The issues on our O Line are more about long term [by long term I mean two years] issues, like replacing/phasing out our two oldest linemen who are both long serving and “reliable” [not to mention Dom being a team captain] without completely effing up what we have.
If you want to start replacing others on the O Line [ie. Peterman and/or Gos] that will be a pretty tough task for Mayhew and Schwartz given the limited resources the Lions have. I am sure that Jason Fox was hoped to be part of the solution and that does not look to have panned out. Culbreath is another unknown that will get a shot to show what he can do this offseason. But after that, we got nothin’.
I expect the Lions will make a move for a couple of O Linemen, hopefully a Left Tackle will be one of those, between FA and the Draft. I hope the Left Tackle is a guy that could step in and start early next season, not another project.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
I agree
the theory of grooming late round guys or UDFA’s has just about run out of time. It would have been convenient if it would have worked, but we need to start drafting guys with enough talent to improve while playing this year or next (not learning for 3 years just to crack the rotation).
I understand that, in the cap era, some portions of the team must be a patchwork of low cost guys so other sectors of the team can be dominant. However, it is time to invest and invest heavily in the line, run game and most importantly, # 9’s future.
I remember the time
when OL loved to run block and hated to pass block. OL used to be able to take their frustrations out on the DL. I guess it’s all about attitude.
As people
we are best at what we work at and care about the most. Stafford remains the number one priority in the teams eyes.
But I’d bet my left nut that if Leshore was healthy and smashed into his OL’s backs at full speed a few times that they’d start opening more holes in frickin hurry. That shit hurts.
by Lionsickness on Feb 15, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
address guard and center.
But dont throw some rookie in the fire unless they have the talent of Decastro or Knoz. I would love to see a monster center picked in Rd 1 or 2, even if he sits for a year behind Dom. Peterman doesnt really bother me as much as Dom. Peterman is our best pulling guard. l love seeing him get out there on screens and such as long as he keeps his head and doesnt get a personal foul lol
On Peterman
I understand somewhat about your stance, but Stephen has been pretty solid his last 20 regular season games, dating back to week 13 of 2010. Gos on the other hand, is the weak link of this offensive line. He gave up like 6 sacks in the last 5 weeks of the regular season. This guy is the model of inconsitency.
Charles Aaron "Bubba" Smith 1945 - 2011 R.I.P.
6 sacks in 5 weeks?
Au contraire, sir. Gos appears to be the perfect model of consistency.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
by Mavyrk on Feb 16, 2012 7:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see what you did there
Aaron Berry > Eric Berry
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