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POLL: Will The Detroit Lions Franchise Cliff Avril?

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Today marks the first day that teams can start applying the franchise and transition tags to their players. It comes right as talk has really started to heat up about whether or not the Detroit Lions will franchise defensive end Cliff Avril. Last Friday, it was reported by the Detroit Free Press that the Lions will likely franchise Avril if a long-term deal isn't reached. A day later, Avril said he probably won't report to camp if he is in fact franchised.

Unsurprisingly, the news about Avril and the franchise tag has caused quite the firestorm. Some fans think the Lions should just move on and not deal with the headache of a potential holdout. Others believe applying the tag and retaining Avril is the right move regardless of the possibility of a holdout. There is also the camp that thinks the Lions should do whatever it takes to make a deal happen so the franchise tag won't come into play, but that is obviously easier said than done.

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It's worth noting that teams have until March 5 to designate their franchise and transition players. This could especially be important for the Lions and their negotiations with Avril. It is my belief that Avril will receive the franchise tag if a long-term deal isn't agreed to, and March 5 is essentially the deadline for the negotiations. If the two sides still haven't agreed to a deal by then, the Lions either have to franchise him or risk letting him hit the open market with no restrictions on March 13. If that happens, I don't see the Lions being able to make an offer that is competitive enough to retain Avril.

The threat of a holdout aside, franchising Avril is the right move in my mind. If no deal is done and the Lions truly want to bring Avril back, their best bet is to franchise him. If something happened where another team valued him so much that they made an offer the Lions couldn't match, then they would at least get two first-round picks as compensation. That seems unlikely, so in reality franchising Avril will simply give the Lions more time to negotiate a long-term deal with him. If March 5 came and went and Avril still wasn't franchised, the pressure would be on the Lions to get something done in the next eight days before the start of free agency. At that point, Avril would be better off waiting to hit the open market, as he would likely get a bigger deal elsewhere.

When it comes down to it, I do think Avril will be a Lion next season, and I don't think there will be a holdout. In all likelihood, something will be worked out, and the franchise tag could actually help the negotiations by putting some pressure on both sides to get a deal done. What do you think will happen?

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What do you think the Detroit Lions will do with Cliff Avril?
Franchise him
259 votes
Work out a long-term deal before franchising him is necessary
438 votes
Let him hit the open market without any restrictions
263 votes

960 votes | Poll has closed

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You don’t let a high profile player hit the open market if you have any kind of say in it. If they don’t get a deal done before the 5th, I’m pretty confident they’d tag him. Even if he holds out, it’s better then just letting him walk. There’s a possibility of at least getting something for him. It’d be a bad business move to not get some kind of return if you can’t sign him.

by vanman on Feb 20, 2012 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

Once again, where are the Lions going to get the cap room to pay him.

Renegotiating Megatron’s contract is NOT going to net $12 million in cap room to sign Avril. Even if it does, you still have to sign Tulloch and about twenty other guys besides Avril.

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by TuffLynx on Feb 20, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You have time to figure all that out

You don’t have to be under the cap until the season starts. If you need to trade or cut someone else to get under the cap before that, you can do so. But letting him walk doesn’t make a ton of sense.

by Big Z in Orlando on Feb 20, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

So everyone wants a long term deal, might not happen. Franchising is the only thing that makes sense before the 5th. If he’s a team player and not a greed player, he’ll report to camp.
If some other team wants him so badly, I’ll take two 1st rounders for him – any day!
We all want to keep him. A lot depends on if he wants to keep us. It’s money time, and you can’t pull it out of your arse. I’m more concerned about paying Calvin, and keeping Tulloch.

Expectations don't produce!

by 2manyears on Feb 20, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The $10.6M franchise tag is pretty reasonable.

So I see the Lions working like hell to get a contract done so that the tag is not used. I believe they want to work out a contract with a lower 2012 CAP hit so that they can fit other guys in too. And frankly, I think Cliff wants almost the same thing.

I don’t see this ending with Cliff not a Lion in 2012. Just my opinion. This looks similar to what Terrell Suggs went through with the Ravens.
LINK:http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/terrell-suggs

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 20, 2012 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

It would be if we actually had the money to pay it.

I realize that you want to see Avril back pretty badly, but I really don’t see where the money is coming from. Avril plays a position where the Lions are relatively deep and can compensate for his departure. It just does not make sense for the Lions to lose other players that are more difficult to replace in order to keep one guy that has essentially had one great year and one good year. If it comes down to keeping Tulloch or keeping Avril, I vote we keep Tulloch.

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by TuffLynx on Feb 20, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Let him walk...

I must be in the minority but there’s no way in my mind he’s worth 10M a year. If i could have only one of the FAs we’re trying to keep right now it would be Tully. We have depth at DE so in my mind we could make it by, but we have NOTHING in my opinion at LB… Avril is a good player, above average pass rusher and below average run stopper. I don’t know exactly how bad our cap situation is, but it sounds pretty bad. I don’t see how we could afford to tag avril with how the cap sounds.

by BenderCU on Feb 20, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not alone

We have too many needs on the defensive side of the ball. Our defense was gutted in the last two games the Lions played. With the zero cap space we have, it is going to be hard enough signing the other members we need to keep to have some continuity.

Sammie Lee and Tulloch are much bigger needs than Avril. Tulloch won’t be cheap and Sammie is going to command far more than the league minimum.

by Incantrix on Feb 20, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The Lions are over the cap ATM

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-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!

by joshsun on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I will bring the dog shampoo

We can have a lemonade stand & car wash & dog bathing charity event. We will get the chicks from the party bus to do the labor (sans most of their cloths) while we reminisce of glory days past and think of the great days ahead.

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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!

by joshsun on Feb 20, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

+1000

Expectations don't produce!

by 2manyears on Feb 20, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure

The Lions would love to franchise him. Without a few guys restructuring in the next few days, I don’t think its going to happen. As Tufflynx has pointed out, the Lions simply don’t have the cap room to do it right now.

by Arrogant on Feb 20, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Let him walk

This is the NFL we have, parity at it’s finest. The league is set up to distribute it’s talent based on salary caps. Unfortunately we are on the wrong side of things this time. The Lions can not continue to get stronger across all positions if we tie up large sums of cash in a few. I’m not going to say he is not worth it, the market will dictate that. I do believe we have better options to replace him through existing players and draft picks. Going forward we just have to trust that that talent will be coached up and we won’t miss Avril’s impact too much.

by ncbur10 on Feb 20, 2012 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think Avril is going to be a Lion next year

Every employee has the right to go out and get what they can so I don’t begrudge him that. But I don’t think he is worth what he wants. I also don’t like the idea of him being franchised and pouting.

I think he can get more than the Lions want to give him and he knows that. I truly feel we have the depth to survive this.

Overpaying players can hurt a franchise the same way a bad draft will. Let him go if he doesn’t like the offer.

"My Mama once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" - Jay Z

by Spider1 on Feb 20, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

He doesn't want to win

I heard him talking about “striking Gold” with free agency, I’ve heard him talk about having no “Hometown discount”. I never hear him talking about winning. He can play adequately when surrounded by talent getting double teamed, but I don’t put him in the elite category by any stretch. The only thing that he is in it for is money. From what I have seen, the only way you are going to motivate him to perform is to franchise tag him, force him to put up numbers for one more year, then dump him. Otherwise, he will just take the money and become another Haynesworth.

by Dave Marshall on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Franchise him, non-exclusive and then trade him

We have depth on the D line. Moving Avril would actually benefit the rest of the players on the D line. It would add more fluidity to his old half of the D line. That would allow players to move around more which would make things far less predictable! Seriously! How does Suh playing the same spot all season benefit his production? It doesn’t. Move the man around and let him cause havoc.

We spent a 3rd on him 4 years ago. Getting a second or even better a first for him is a win.

Sorry Cliff, it was fun but you are expendable. If there was no salary cap, I am sure you would be back. Have fun with your big paycheck. Have fun being the guy your new team thinks is supposed to solve their pass rush issues all by himself. Have fun when your numbers drop off because opposing teams can concentrate on you. Have fun with the fan backlash from those dropping numbers.

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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!

by joshsun on Feb 20, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Chris Houston part two

I really don’t think Avril is going to get that big payoff he’s been wanting. I just don’t see it. My thought process is that he’s have to fit in the same system as the new team, they’d have to have top dollar to have and keep him there, and he’s have to do the same if not better next year. I think if he were to hit FA right now, he wouldn’t be making anymore money than he would with Detroit. If he were to make a lot of money this year, it would only be for a year.

I think he’ll have the Chris Houston syndrome and end up biting his tongue to stay with Detroit. I’d say the same about Megatron, but honestly, he deserved all that money. For all the years he stuck with Detroit through the bad and very worst, he really was the ONLY good thing about the team in years past. I don’t feel the same about Avril, no matter how talented.

by The Sledge on Feb 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Franchise tag options

Does anyone have a list of the Lions that are eligible for the tag? I know there were some changes made in the new CBA and I am not sure how it works now.

by anakiman on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

this is my understanding.

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-There are approximately 45 cats and dogs for every person born.
-Only 1 out of 10 dogs born ever get a home.
-Only 1 out of 12 cats born ever find a home.
-Approximately 800 dogs & cats are KILLED each HOUR in the United States, because there are not enough homes for them!

by joshsun on Feb 20, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

any chance

we franchise him and trade him? possibly to giants for osi? he seems like he will be on his way out as well

by Do_Shawn on Feb 20, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions  

Trade him

I like the guy but I’d rather trade him for picks mostly due to our financial situation. And there may be several teams that fight over him.

by oldboy22 on Feb 20, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

I wish I could take my vote back.

I voted the middle option, but then when I think about it there are lots of reasons not to give him an expensive franchise tag.

(1) He was the Lions top sack artist, but not even in the top five.

(2) He forced a lot of turnovers and made the most of them, but he took a lot of penalties as well

(3) He wasn’t very effective against runs directed around his end.

I really like Cliff, but frankly I don’t think the Lions will be crippled if they don’t re-sign him. Willie Young played pretty well too and I think could step in without much loss. The interior of the D-line is where things really make a difference now.

No slogans. Just win!!!

by drgarnett on Feb 20, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

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