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Lions Reportedly 'Firmly Committed' To Nate Burleson, Corey Williams

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Because of their contracts, there has been a lot of talk about the possibility of wide receiver Nate Burleson and/or defensive tackle Corey Williams being cut by the Detroit Lions this offseason. Although both players are talented and leaders in the locker room, releasing one or both of them would clear some cap space for the Lions.

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I personally don't see the point of getting rid of talent just to save some money, especially when contracts can always be restructured. Based on this tweet from Dave Birkett, it seems the Lions feel similarly about the situation with Burleson and Williams.

Their contracts may be less than desirable considering the cap situation, but I think it would be a mistake to part ways with either player. Burleson is one of the biggest leaders on the team and had a nice 2011 season with 73 catches for 757 yards and three touchdowns. The same goes for Williams, who is probably one of the most underrated players on the team. He gets overshadowed by the bigger names on the defensive line, but Williams has been a very reliable player for the Lions the past two seasons.

As mentioned, if anything, contracts will be restructured if need be. I just don't see the Lions getting rid of two key players like Burleson and Williams.

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Amen

Take a pay cut in exchange for a ring. Because, really, what’s a couple million among friends?

by mcivor on Feb 23, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

ah

a couple million?

by gregie on Feb 24, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If we cut someone for cap reasons it should be KVB.

Also does anybody know how much a Jahvid Best retirement would save us?

by Schuxu on Feb 24, 2012 4:07 AM EST reply actions  

Zero

it may save us on a cap hit, but that would mean we wasted a first round pick that we traded up for on that guy ultimately hurting us more in the long run.

It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.

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by Leonuro on Feb 24, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that much really.

Here is a link to his contract: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/jahvid-best/

If I read that right, $1.2 M this year and $1.4M the next two.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 24, 2012 6:50 AM EST reply actions  

I would love to see the Lions retain pretty well all these guys.

But I would be really surprised if they can renegotiate enough money down to be able to make a difference to still fit in all of our key free agents without mortgaging our future.

I guess we will see what Lewand and Mayhew can do.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 24, 2012 6:54 AM EST reply actions  

I feel like all I hear from the front office is we would love to keep everbody.

I am starting to wonder if it’s just PR at this point but time will tell.

"My Mama once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" - Jay Z

by Spider1 on Feb 24, 2012 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

I agree Spider.

This reminds of those votes of confidence that GMs and owners give their coaches too.

And then………see ya.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 24, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Free agency hasn't even started

No organization in the league is interested in tipping their hand at this point.

"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson

by Mavyrk on Feb 25, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand where you are coming from Sean.

But I would dispute how key Corey Williams is to the future Lions success.

The guy can still play, I am not saying he can’t, but when you look at the three other DTs on the Lions roster you have [by experience];

Sammie Lee Hill - a good solid, run stuffing DT with above average agility. A better pass rusher than his stats show. Going into his fourth year in the NFL. Has improved his play every year.
N. Suh - still developing as a DT. A good pass rushing DT, who makes big plays. Still has a lot of upside. Going into his third year.
Nick Fairley - an outstanding penetrating DT who can both rush the passer and stuff the run. IF he can overcome his injury issue, he has a huge upside. He could be the star of this D Line in a year or so. IMO.

I just don’t know how the Lions can justify keeping Corey around at anywhere near his current pay, and play him ahead of those three. I think Corey will be our fourth best DT next year, and how do you pay him more than Nick and Sammie Lee [who must be re-signed]?

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 24, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

+1

I would much rather use his contract on Cliff or Tulloch or even a corner like Carr.

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by SmittyJ on Feb 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

me too

Playoff run in '11!!
Superbowl ring in '12

by lionsfan_772 on Feb 24, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

well w/ the Rumor being that Fisher is looking for a DT in St Louis

Ol’ Schwartz could do him the favor and save him headache heartache and someone who under performs ala Haynesworth whose name is connected to that story and rumor. CWilliams would fit well into the G. Williams defensive scheme too. That way it could also be looked at like Schwartz not just trading him to some team w/ the best offer but to a team he has confidence in their staff.

by JaiGaiaAries on Feb 24, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Suh was the #1 ranked pass-rushing DT.

based off pressures, hurries, etc. Thats better than good, thats outstanding. I saw Fairley penetrate on a few snaps, and you call that outstanding?

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by BIGWalt2990 on Feb 24, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you figure that? Suh being #1 in pass rushing.

Do you mind citing some kind of data or source? Yes, Fairley’s sample size is smaller, but he did very well whenever he played.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 24, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nate is a whole different case.

We are a pass first team with really only three quality WRs. There is no one else on the Lions roster who could step in and perform at anywhere near Nate’s level.

Then look at passing teams like the Packers and Saints and how many quality WRs that they keep on their roster [five and four respectively].

Nate will be paid $4M in 2012, which is twenty-fifth among all NFL WRs currently signed for 2012. He gets paid less than guys like Jacoby Jones, Steve Breaston, and Donald Driver. He gets paid just more than Devery Henderson, James Jones, and Kevin Walter.

I think Nate is earning his pay, and we have no one now to take over for him. He’s a keeper for now.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 24, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Well said.

With the emphasis on our passing game ensuring that we have capable WR’s in our squad is a must and losing one of our top 3 just means we have to go out and pay someone to do the same which unless its a rookie (who would not be as advanced as Nate) will probably command somewhere around what Nate is being paid so in the end it probably wont be saving us that much money anyways.

They did it for Savy, they did it for Horton, they did it for each other, they did it for us. I give you the 2011 Stanley Cup Champions....The Boston Bruins!!

My Lions lost to the Saints who are clearly the better team. (This is what happens when you back your team and they lose),

by beachguy113 on Feb 24, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Word

Nate never gives up on a play and carries the ball as though he’s the one that’s 6’5" 236.

by Admiral Ackbar on Feb 24, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Drop machine

Lets completely ignore that he was top 10 in the league for drops, with a few of those coming at big moments…

by gloryglorymanunited on Feb 24, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

According to PFF Nate had the seventh most drops among WRs.

He had nine drops out of 110 targets. Calvin had seven out of 151 targets.

"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 24, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed North

Playoff run in '11!!
Superbowl ring in '12

by lionsfan_772 on Feb 24, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

NorthLeft12 smart man.

No way we drop Nate. He has earned his pay check. Watch any Detroit Lions 2011 video on Youtube and Nate is in the middle coaching the guys up. This receivering corp is tight…with Nate and Calvin as the leaders.

I do think we should restructure KVB and Williams contracts. Not by much but take away up to a mill in total from both. We need Tulloch and Avril back. We need Depth at DT and getting rid of C Will would be a mistake. C Will was hurt this year…..not one of his best years.

by gachr on Feb 24, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Restructure KVB

KVB is getting “old” and we have a couple of guys on our team to step up like Lojack and Young.. KVB needs to start being a “role” player and let LoJack take over

Playoff run in '11!!
Superbowl ring in '12

by lionsfan_772 on Feb 24, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

20 days until open market for free agency

and what else would Mayhew, Lewand, and Schwartz release to the media other than wanting to keep the team together and build upon it for the future? The storylines may/may not change as that March 15th date nears or shortly thereafter.

by 5Bakerstreet on Feb 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions  

FA

I don’t think have Vets that know our system to be a bad thing. I agree the KVB would break contain 50% of the time, but he still made more plays then we give him credit for. I would like to see guys restructure their deals, but who know what will happen

Don't forget to wash your hands! Lets go Lions to the Super Bowl while I can still walk

by JonnieT on Feb 24, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Williams may have played his way out of a job.

Pro football focus labeled him as our biggest drop-off player in their Trending in the NFC North piece. According to them he went from a +9.2 to a -4.2 pass rush rating registering only six combined hits and stats. He can still stop the run and in his defense, he seemed to cut down on the ridiculous amount of off-sides calls. We have two players who can stop the run AND rush the passer; IMO, their flexibility and under utilization has rendered Williams obsolete in our system. Williams still has trade value and we could grab a mid to late-round pick to find further DT depth in the draft and save a bunch of money.

by Admiral Ackbar on Feb 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Consider this

CW had numerous encroachment, neutral zone and off sides penalties in 2010. He really wasn’t flagged all that often in 11’. Jumping as he did is a forsure sign he is trying to get the QB. Maybe in 11’ his plan is to stay home, read and react. I don’t really analyze enough to recognize the drop off.

Personally, glad they’re committed to him.

by BtotheLT on Feb 24, 2012 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

KVB is costing us big

He needs to open his wallet backup. I can’t blame them for wanting to keep them they are very good players. Just need Corey and KVB atleast to restructre. Nate already did I thought

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by The Profiler on Feb 24, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

underrated

what NB does for the lockerroom and is grooming Titus. I’m fine with it.

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by The.Lions on Feb 24, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

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